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DailyRadar.com Closes

Hemos posted more than 13 years ago | from the end-of-another-game-site dept.

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Fervent writes: "At first it seemed like an April Fool's joke but Daily Radar has closed. Apparently the same bug that's bitten every other game web site (like CNet's GameCenter) got to Daily Radar. Now for major publications we have GameSpot. And, uh... GameSpot." And don't forget OMM - there's a whole slew of sites in this area -- it will be interesting to see who can last through this downturn.

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Fuzzy Logic (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#254731)

I always liked Fuzzy Logic [bbspot.com] .

Scooby Dooby

"I never put on a pair of shoes until I've worn them at least five years."
Samuel Goldwyn

Another alternative..... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#254732)

....is www.gameunit.com [gameunit.com]

Re:woah.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#254733)

They should put up some banners to make some money of all the linkage from slashdot. Have at least a little cash in their pocket.

Another good riddance to Daily Radar (Spammers) (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#254734)

I'm not sorry to see Daily Radar go. I originally signed up for their mailing list long ago, and somehow, they propagated that signup to additional Imagine Media lists that I did not want to be on. Furthermore, in January when I followed their instructions to be removed from the mailing list (in response to their anti-Nintendo stunt, punishing their readers for their legal problems over unauthorized game guides), they did NOT remove me from their mailing list. I sent SEVERAL letters to newsletter@dailyradar.com, and also letters direct to the editors' addresses, over the course of SEVERAL months, and the e-mails never ceased. Just this last Friday, I got another "Blips on the Radar" e-mail, right on schedule. "Daily Radar, Weekly Spammer," I called them. Now maybe my inbox will receive just a little less CRAP!

Re:Reminder about the Advertising (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#254735)

Daily Radar's problem was content. Far from being a hardcore gaming site, they attempted to become an entertainment portal. The content was basically the same recycled syndicated content available everywhere.

I had read NexGen Online then DR for a few weeks and haven;t been back in a year.

Noooooooooo (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#254736)

My beloved Gamecenter closes, then Daily Radar. How do all the bad sites stay around? All the good ones are closing.

Shugashack (4)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#254737)

sCary's renamed Shugashack (now ShackNews [shacknews.com] ) is still around.

As is Blue's News [bluesnews.com]

Other Gaming Sites (5)

Shaheen (313) | more than 12 years ago | (#254738)

There are tons of gaming sites out there that focus on news. The only "problem" is that they are usually platform specific, except for the big ones, but that can be solved by some perl scripts :) Here's a list of sites I visit often (too much?):

  • Gamers.com [gamers.com] - Not too much info nowadays (they got bit too)
  • The GIA [thegia.com] - Fairly good coverage of major events. Very review and gameplay heavy, rather than industry news.
  • Gamasutra [gamasutra.com] - Industry news in a simple format, though more finance and 3rd party tools related
  • FGN Online [fgnonline.com] - Pretty good coverage. It's now an IGN affiliate.
  • SegaDojo [segadojo.com] - Fairly good SEGA related coverage
  • MS Xbox [msxbox.com] - For the people who can get past the fact that Microsoft might just have a kick ass gaming machine
  • Final Fantasy Online [ffonline.com] - For any Final Fantasy freak. The site's down at the moment, though
  • IGN Games [ign.com] - Coverage of anything and everything in gaming
  • GameSpot [gamespot.com] - Okay, so it's GameSpot. At least they publish all their media in downloadable MPEGs
  • Core Magazine [coremagazine.com] - All the random things that other people don't cover, including interviews and stuff straight from Japan.
  • US Famitsu [famitsu.com] - Currently down, with no plans of coming back up, but it's the US branch of the standard gaming press in Japan - Famitsu [famitsu.com]
  • Stomped [stomped.com] - Lots of coverage of gaming in general, with some focus on FPS.
  • Blue's News [bluesnews.com] - Blue keeps going, and it's always focused on FPS for the most part.
  • OMM [oldmanmurray.com] - And of course, Old Man Murray.


A good number of the above are fairly major publications. Snowball.Com is in trouble as well, but IGN is their biggest crowd attraction, and IGN Games has to be near the top too, so it should last a little while. Core is a major publication in Japan with a real circulation. ZDNet + C|Net together have enough muscle to keep GameSpot going.

Re:GamesDomain.com has always been my first choice (5)

jnik (1733) | more than 12 years ago | (#254739)

GamesDomain's gratest yirtue, IMO, is that they take a week or two to actually play games before reviewing them.

Well, I'm from another competing site [gamerspress.com] , and that's generally what we do, too. Of course, there are always some exceptions, [gamerspress.com] even dramatic ones. [gamerspress.com] But we buy our own games, occasionally score an interview, and pretty much have fun losing money, since it's about the hobby and a chance to share a good game (and scorn a bad game) with other gamers.

Plus the junkpile reviews are great (so cool of an idea, I took over them)--you know we aren't getting subsidized for those!

I wonder if it is time for a simpler game site.... (1)

Vermifax (3687) | more than 13 years ago | (#254740)

One where you can't get screenshots directly from the site, or movies. They don't have Schnazeriffic graphics. But maybe some colored frames and text. Only link to pictures on the manufacturers web sites, etc.

You would keep your bandwidth relatively low, which in turn would keep cost low.

The only problem I see would be industry contacts.

Vermifax

The industry fell for the Graphics ber alles lie. (1)

Vermifax (3687) | more than 13 years ago | (#254741)

I know I'm an old fart, but sometimes I just get more enjoyment out of roguelikes than the latest version of diablo with better graphics and less gameplay.

Vermifax

Re:Don't forget... (3)

Genom (3868) | more than 12 years ago | (#254742)

*most* of the "PlanetX" sites (where X is any one of several games, Quake, Halflife, Unreal, etc...) are owned by GameSpy, IIRC.

Re:33% of my daily read gone (3)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#254744)

I wonder if "Fuckedcompany" will end up on its own list ;)

Re:Not really the last (2)

OnyxRaven (9906) | more than 12 years ago | (#254746)

erm... just to check myself I checked gamers.com and it still looks active. I know that firingsquad.com is still going strong.

UGO network is also still around but I believe their future is questionable. I do know they have a booth at E3 though.

Let me clarify though, Gamespy is going to close down at some point - and that does include all of the planet sites. That really sucks. A lot.

Not really the last (3)

OnyxRaven (9906) | more than 12 years ago | (#254747)

DailyRadar was a standby, but there are still a few left.

Namely IGN - which shows no slow down in its Vault sections. Gamers.com is still around as is VoodooExtreme.

I wont count Gamespy as they are ready to close down shop as well. Lots of sites are losing hosting in that deal.

And so the internet hosting/banner/funding debacle claims another.

Voodoo Extreme? (2)

Julius X (14690) | more than 12 years ago | (#254749)

We still have Voodoo Extreme [voodooextreme.com] , which has somehow survived most of this. It's on UGO now, which while it has had problems and probably will eventually go under as well too, Billy Wilson isn't one to give up without a fight. It's been pretty widely reported(or rumored?) that he and the rest of the VE crew have been trying to take the site independent.

In my opinion, its one of the best sources for gaming news, and has been for a very long time. So as long as VE & /. are around, I'll be happy.

-Julius X

Re:Gamecenter (1)

PRickard (16563) | more than 13 years ago | (#254751)

ZD in the 80's and ZDNet in the 1990's/2000's are entirely different creatures. Times change, editors move on, standards shift... And ZDNet has never been much more than a whitewashed politically correct channel for wire stories and chopped down articles from ZD magazines anyway. Beyond that, ZDNet hasn't even been owned by Ziff-Davis in three years - their corporate parent Softbank spun it off to take advantage of the dotcom stock boom and CNET recently bought them out. (So why does ZDNet still run ZD magazine stories? Licensing.)

Gamecenter (3)

PRickard (16563) | more than 12 years ago | (#254752)

Gamecenter didn't close because it was losing money, but because CNET bought the ZD whores and their game site Gamespot was slightly more popular and has an international presence. Now Gamespot has been spun off as a separate company owned by CNet, instead of just being a ZD site. That notwithstanding, Gamecenter was a lot better than GS will ever be.

ZDNet - Diluting quality since 1995(TM)

Re:33% of my daily read gone (3)

Osty (16825) | more than 13 years ago | (#254754)

I wonder if "Fuckedcompany" will end up on its own list ;)

I know this is in jest, but I couldn't help but respond. Fucked Company won't ever be on Fucked Company, because Pud has a clue -- Fucked Company isn't a company at all. He's ripped on fucked companies time and time again for hiring a shitload of people to do nothing, while he runs a successful site essentially by himself (I'm sure there are a few more FC "employees", but I doubt they number more than 10 or 20, certainly not in the 100s or 1000s that many dot-bombs felt they needed).

<obvious>Besides, if Fucked Company gets fucked, who would run the Fucked Company list to list them?</obvious>

Re:Gaming's taken a dive.... (4)

Osty (16825) | more than 13 years ago | (#254755)

I've seen this attitude a lot, and in more areas than just gaming. People will always rave about the "Good ol' days", while simultaneously blowing off all but a very few of the current crop of <whatever we're talking about>.

What people fail to realize is that when you look back on the past, you don't remember all the failures. You only remember the successes. Yes, all the successful games had great gameplay (and lots of them had groundbreaking graphics, for their time -- such as Final Fantasy 6j/3us and Chrono Trigger, to name a few from the recent past). However, for every one of these great games, there are tons of bombs. Anybody remember the Home Alone games on the NES and SNES? How about the deluge of bad Simpsons-inspired NES games? Or to get away from the licensed games, what about the "original" clunkers, like Vortex (a StarFox rip off, and one of the few games to utilize the original SuperFX chipset)?

The point here is that while most of today's games may be crap, we're going to look back in five years and only see the "good" games (for whatever definition of good), like Half-Life, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Tribes (to get the FPS games out of the way), Black & White, the Fallout series, the later Final Fantasies (oddly, everybody thinks FFVII just plain sucked, yet I really enjoyed it -- had a great story), and more. We'll all have forgotten about games like SiN, Soldier of Fortune, Frogger 3D, and all the other lamer games. And of course there will be a few that will take on "Atari ET" status, like Daikatana, and most likely Duke Nukem 4Ever (assuming it ever ships).

Looking back on the past fondly is one thing, but to hold up the worst of today's games to the best of yesterday's and proclaim that all of today's games suck is just being naive. Don't live in the past. Seek out the good games of today. I guarantee you that you'll find more than a few worth spending some change on.

One notable addition (3)

wandrLST (19416) | more than 12 years ago | (#254756)

I must be the only one still (or ever) reading Adrenaline Vault [avault.com] . The reviews are fair, and the news is as current as anywhere else. Not as much attitude as DailyRadar, though.

Don't forget Jeff K. (1)

nd (20186) | more than 13 years ago | (#254757)

How can you say there aren't any gaming sites left except for GameSpot? Jeff K. [somethingawful.com] is the leading provider in game content and news. It isn't unusual for him to scoop bluesnews, and his comics are much better than Penny Arcade's. He interviews big gaming celebrities like Cliffy B and John Carmack.

He also reviews the PC games that matter, and wrote a brilliant editorial on the upcoming console wars.

you read blue's & stomped, but not captured? (1)

jslag (21657) | more than 12 years ago | (#254758)

For shame. www.captured.com [captured.com] . I barely even have time to play games anymore, but at least I can virtually enjoy them through kerbuffel & crew.

Re:GamesDomain.com has always been my first choice (2)

Moofie (22272) | more than 12 years ago | (#254759)

I concur. It also reads like the reviewers went to the store and bought the games...although I'm sure this isn't ALWAYS the case, it's nice that these are people like me who want to know what's worth dropping my cash on, rather than people who have to make advertisers happy by shilling the latest new stuff.

It might be an elaborately contrived ruse, but I've yet to play a game that rated well on GD that sucked.

GamesDomain.com has always been my first choice... (3)

Moofie (22272) | more than 12 years ago | (#254760)

Decent coverage, although updates are sometimes sporadic. Oh, and they're British. So all you people who hate theregister because they talk funny...don't waste your time.

Good reviews, excellent demo archives...what else do you need?

Daily Radar UK is still here (3)

Stephen Williams (23750) | more than 13 years ago | (#254761)

Daily Radar UK [dailyradar.co.uk] , which used to be Future Gamer (I think), is still alive and well. Don't know if that's of any interest to former readers of the US site; but it's there if you want it.

-Stephen

Next Generation... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 13 years ago | (#254762)

Now there was a site. I somehow got sucked into reading Daily Radar all the time after Next Generation went away... I'll miss Daily Radar somewhat, but I'll agree the real loss was long ago went Next Generation was taken from us.

Daily Radar made me disable Javascript (3)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 13 years ago | (#254763)

Sure, use of Javascript had been annoying for some time - but Daily Radar was the site that made disabling Javascript mandatory! Two popup windows (one huge) was quite enough for me.

Like the other post, I was going to leave for good as well - but I still liked the site for some things, so I stuck around.

I think the thing that probably canned the site though was that despite all of the factors you mentioned, they had to use a LOT of bandwith. I downloaded a lot of preview movies, most between 5mb and 20mb. Even with a bandwith limiter of some place (I could only get 10k/sec when I used to be able to get 160k/sec long ago), I still downloaded a lot of movies... That cost must have been too much to bear even with all of the other great things going for them. I think a site with all of the factors you mentioned woul;d be able to survive just fine with smaller content.

I see duplicate posts. (3)

inio (26835) | more than 12 years ago | (#254765)

All the time.
They don't know they're duplicate posts.

magicbox and gia (1)

jrs (27486) | more than 12 years ago | (#254766)

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Magic Box... great meaty news site.
www.the-magicbox.com

i also love The Gia.
www.thegia.com

Re:PXCL (WSJ.com is a good pay site) (1)

NickV (30252) | more than 13 years ago | (#254767)

That's true, there are sites that are very profitable because of the content they provide. The Wall Street Journal (and a slew of porn sites) have all been very successful, and they all charge quite a bit of change (WSJ is something like $80 a year.)

I think alot of media companies are going to realize they can't give their commodities away. It'll only be time till the magazines (time, usnews) and newspapers (mainly, the NY Times) start to charge for content. It HAS to start denting their paper sales eventually. Besides, I'd pay for an NYT online subscription (if it is a bit cheaper than paper of course.)

Re:i got sick of gameing... (1)

Wah (30840) | more than 13 years ago | (#254768)

say goodbye to the next 3. [firaxis.com] Oh wait, did someone say something bad about hype?
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Re:PXCL (1)

Wah (30840) | more than 13 years ago | (#254769)

it sucks, but you're probably on to something. That bad thing is that if that works for someone, everyone else will start piling on the ads to illustrate the value of not having them. Curious, that. (oh, and it happened to pr0n sites about 2 years ago)
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NOOOooooooo (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 12 years ago | (#254771)

I read that site every day after lunch. No more peep show... Now what do I do?
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Alternative (3)

interiot (50685) | more than 12 years ago | (#254772)

If you're in it just for the reviews, GameRankings.com [gamerankings.com] is a good alterternative. It's a meta-review site, averaging and linking to almost every online review of console/PC games.

Still, I'm gonna miss the peep show. I'm sad to see you go, Daily Radar.
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Re:Other Gaming Sites (1)

Mr. Gus (58458) | more than 12 years ago | (#254773)

Personally, I hope the "Internet" fails compeletly and it we go back to the good ol' days of Archie and Gopher, bring back mosaic!

About three days after the death of the internet (it would have been the day, but it took a bit to learn why Slashdot wouldn't load):

Señor Budda Elf Duder: Lesse, I'll stick the archie server on 192.168.0.1 and the gopher one on 192.168.0.2, use my 56k to log into 192.168.0.3, and...

I'm not that surprised. (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 13 years ago | (#254774)

Well, I've been reading next-generation online for about a year before the staff moved to daily radar. I really liked NGO before because they had quality reviews. Now, with DailyRadar, they forgot about journalistic integrity and started bashing games or movies because they didn.t have enough violence, or praised another one because it showed (insert your favorite actress name here) breast and that the movie was good because of that. I'm not sorry that this web site had to close down. The content recently has been mediocre at best over at DailyRadar and I hope that these people get a grip on themselves, go back to NGO and go back to the great articles they wrote before.

"The answer to the Question of Life, the Universe and Everything is... 42"

Even though I am from a competing site.. (4)

citizenc (60589) | more than 12 years ago | (#254776)

Even though I am from a competing site, I am saddened to see this site go. While there is SOME online competition (there has to be, right?) it is always sad when a prominant member of the community like Daily Radar goes down. I'd like to wish the best to the staff of the site -- guys, thanks for running such a fantastic site, and good luck on any endevours that you undertake in the future.

GameSpy closing shop? I think not. (4)

citizenc (60589) | more than 12 years ago | (#254777)

I wont count Gamespy as they are ready to close down shop as well
What is the basis for that? While I have yet to speak with anybody in accounting, I can assure you that we are NOT going anywhere any time soon. 3DActionPlanet [3dactionplanet.com] , PlanetQuake [planetquake.com] , PlanetHalfLife [planethalflife.com] , and the rest of your favourites are NOT going anywhere.

Re:Gaming's taken a dive.... (2)

Emil Brink (69213) | more than 13 years ago | (#254779)

and gaming sites just go off the deep end about how great the trees look.
Um, yeah. B&W has a good reputation. Now, I haven't actually played it, and I have friends who've been hooked by it, but most of them seem to still admit minor problems. I found FiringSquad's [gamers.com] review [gamers.com] (78% [slashdot.org] , blam!) refreshing. ;^)

Here's my personal list... (PC Games only) (5)

antdude (79039) | more than 12 years ago | (#254783)

Here's my favorite gaming sites to visit almost daily:

VoodooExtreme [voodooextreme.com]
Shacknews [shacknews.com]
Stomped [stomped.com]
Computer Gaming Online [cdmag.com]
GamesSpy [gamespy.com]
3D News [3dnews.net]
Firing Squad [firingsquad.com]
Avault [avault.com]
Games Domain [gamesdomain.com]
GamesMania [gamesmania.com]
IGN News (PC) [ign.com]

The next logical step. (4)

mhelie (83207) | more than 12 years ago | (#254784)

Once all the free hosting for mods and fan sites goes bust, how long until gaming companies are forced to create their own networks to support them?

I know for certain that Valve would be one of the first to jump in. Counter-Strike is the major reason why Half-Life is still selling well today, over 2 years after its original release. Valve has always been supportive of the community, and I see them pioneering a service like that to support their fans.

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Add PCXL to the list... (1)

GeekLife.com (84577) | more than 12 years ago | (#254785)

With their entertaining and (+1!) insightful goodbye message. [pcxl.com]
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Re:What happened to the excitement? (3)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 12 years ago | (#254786)

It's unavoidable once everyone gets on the damn thing. Even if you talk to a thousand people on a regular basis, you still don't know anyone in terms of how many people are on the net, and it's now as commercial an experience as watching TV. Most of the E-Mail I get these days is from spammers and you can't go anywhere on the web anymore without encountering a banner ad. If you try to partake in any community experience, some damn company will probably try to sue you for it, if only because you don't fit into their comfortable demographic model of how their customers are supposed to behave.

The only way I can see out of this is virtual isolationism. As more people find that the net is mostly useless, I suspect they'll start either moving off it to private networks run by individuals or VPNs, using the internet only for transport of their encrypted packets.

Re:Loser Posts VS naked women (2)

BierGuzzl (92635) | more than 12 years ago | (#254787)

You babble on about loser posts and loser mags, and then say that cheap pr0n has more staying power? baah!

woah.. (3)

BierGuzzl (92635) | more than 12 years ago | (#254788)

dejavu

Re:Awww (1)

Mitaphane (96828) | more than 13 years ago | (#254791)

I would also say they extended their coverage way farther than they should have. There's nothing wrong with a online magazine that covers one platforms(like PC Gamer Online) or even many platforms(like Next Generation Online), but Daily Radar had to be the end-all-do-all website that covered Games,Showbusiness, Technology/Gadgets, and even its own humor section. They had way to big of staff with alot of time on their hands. Especially one that was funded by banner ads

I knew their death was on the wall when you couldn't browse the site with out getting pop-up ads all over the place. That was already with the banner ads that were already plastered on the page and clever little link box ads for Online Gambling (Did they even think about their Demographic audience?) that would pop-up if you left your mouse cursor idle.

Screw Daily Radar and screw Imagine Publishing [imaginemedia.com] for creating it. I still blame the death of many good websites(NGO, PC Gamer Online)on Daily Rader and it won't be missed in my opinion. There are much better websites out there.


Backyard Boxing online? [stevesbackyardboxing.org] That's unpossible!
ICQ:47685501

Re:Reminder about the Advertising (3)

gargle (97883) | more than 13 years ago | (#254792)

The trouble with sites like dailyradar is that they take an army of paid staff to do what a couple of hobbyists do just as well.

Imagine media as a whole seems to be goin under (2)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 12 years ago | (#254794)

First they send me a notice asking me to subscribe to Total Movie for 2 years (luckily I didn't) then the last issue of Total Movie says they are going monthly. Then they take down www.total-movie.com and I have to do a search on google to find out the magazine is canceled. They still owe me money!
Meanwhile, I suscribe to Maximum PC back in Feb. I still have yet to recieve an issue. I emailed them last week and even though their web site promices replies within 48 hours, I have yet to get a responce. They owe me money for that too!
So I think the whole damn company is in trouble.

Re:Don't forget... (2)

The_Messenger (110966) | more than 13 years ago | (#254796)

You know, I really can't stand GameSpy, and I'm not alone. Two years ago, my feelings were different. They employed some very cool people, had some cool sites, and released cool software. The they slowly started to suck more and more ass, and their two best people (Fragmaster from planethalflife.com and Lowtax from planetquake.com) left under bad circumstances. These days, their PlanetEverything sites (10 more added every hour!) are of astoundingly bad quality, lacking almost any actual content and run by complete amateurs. Their software is bloated and slow; back to in-game server lists for me and many others. They're really nothing but a bad joke at this point.

FYI, Lowtax went off and created SomethingAwful [somethingawful.com] , and while he's had horrendously bad luck with various hosting networks, the site is pretty cool. If you haven't checked it out yet, make sure to spend some time in the Jeff K and Cliff Yablonski sections. :-) Lowtax was also able to bring along one of my favorite parts of PQ, Cranky Steve's map reviews. The reviews aren't done by Lowtax anymore and are lacking in quality, but it's a nice blast from the past. (Even if this past is just two years ago.)

Coincidentally, Lowtax recentally brought the afore-mentioned Fragmaster on board as a guest editor. Now if only Frags would resurrect Walter. ;-)

GameSpy's only redeeming value is FilePlanet. I know a lot of people here hate it, and I agree that the format and bandwidth suck, but I usually have better luck downloading from FilePlanet than anywhere else.

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Re:GamesDomain.com has always been my first choice (1)

great throwdini (118430) | more than 13 years ago | (#254800)

I'm from another competing site [gamerspress.com] [...] we buy our own games, occasionally score an interview, and pretty much have fun losing money, since it's about the hobby and a chance to share a good game (and scorn a bad game) with other gamers.

Imagine my surprise as I turned to gamerspress.com and read the uppermost blurb by DarkPaladin, entitled "Why we went Flashlink [gamerspress.com] ":

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to make money with The Gamer's Press. So I won't even try the usual bull-crap about how I do this whole thing for "the love of the games" and all the usual stuff you see the other sites spout.

Looks like there is a difference of opinion about whether "it's about the hobby." :P

Re:Not really the last (1)

palo0019 (120416) | more than 12 years ago | (#254801)

Daily Radar was embarassing and wont be missed. IGN is pretty humorus as well, especially with IGN Insider. And of course, gamers.com has been gone for awhile.

So much for the "archives".. Try the main page! (1)

1nt3lx (124618) | more than 12 years ago | (#254803)

Good job, I thought I'd seen it all.

I guess it's bad news anyway.

Daily Radar CLOSES (1)

maccroz (126399) | more than 12 years ago | (#254804)

I'm torn, do I comment on the one that has the capital C, or the lowercase C. Decisions decisions.....

Re:Other Gaming Sites (1)

^chuck^ (131444) | more than 12 years ago | (#254805)

Isn't this exactly the problem? ie Too Many. If you think about it, do we really need to have that many voices and opinions about video games. I mean, I like them as much as the next person, but couldn't a lot of these sites combine their efforts to produce something of even better quality? Seems to be a logical, economically, and beneficial way to do things.

Re:What happened to the excitement? (3)

istartedi (132515) | more than 12 years ago | (#254806)

57 million channels and nothing on.

IGN (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 12 years ago | (#254807)

I was going to karma whore a bit and talk about IGN. They're trying to get a subscription thing going the "IGNsider". $20 or $30 is pretty steep, though, as much or more than some print magazines, and while the coverage is a little faster than magazines, print tends to be easier to browse.

Their subscription servlet is busted.
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Re:Don't forget... (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 13 years ago | (#254809)

I love fileplanet. Mabye it's cuz I get 300KBp/s from them, or because the backend is run by the most kick ass map reviewer ever, Radium!

W00t! Gamespy is wasting alot of talent by having Radium work behind the scenes.

Re:Not really the last (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 13 years ago | (#254810)

Dried up? I don't think so, it'll just go back to places like Telefragged.com, which use the gaming community to push a big ass add (though admitidly telafragged is a piss poor example, they where an example of the even shorter lived business model of a gaming room, which, while they still exist, aren't the $$$ nirvana some thought them to be, hehe, AMD came out and lowered CPU prices, W00T!)

Re:Gamecenter (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 13 years ago | (#254811)

Hehe, ironic how ZDnet, a huge international corporation (err, ALOT of mag's published all over the place) was bought out by a company that has now been proven to be working under a piss poor business model, CNet, which has almost always sucked (downloads.com is occasionaly gopod for the rare utility, but that's about it, and only if you are getting stuff for windows 9x)

Re:Not really the last (3)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 13 years ago | (#254812)

Dude, I doubt it. You see, Gamespy LICENCES out their browsing technology to various game companies, who incorporate it into their games. Gamespy is not entirely relient upon banner ad's, and in fact few people seem to remember that they started off as a PROGRAMS website (oddly enough, called gamespy, which totaly sucked and those who did use it used a crack version, but. . . .:)

Old Man Murray (1)

Forager (144256) | more than 12 years ago | (#254814)

Is it just me, or is there anyone else out there who ISN'T incredibly fond of OMM? It's a funny site and all, but seriously, it's difficult to get through all the fluff on that site and get to the meat, the news itself. It's buried under so much sarcasm and satire that I spend my whole time just cross-checking their stories against the other more straight-forward sites like Bluesnews and Gamespy. I'm not saying I don't like OMM, I just wonder if it's not much of a news site, but maybe more of a story and satire site. Personally, I'm still mourning the death of Gamecenter.

Forager

Re:Not really the last (4)

Chester K (145560) | more than 12 years ago | (#254815)

Namely IGN - which shows no slow down in its Vault sections.

Sure it does. They just recently closed 10 Vault Network sites, and the company that owns IGN, Snowball (Nasdaq: SNOW [quicken.com] ), is being delisted.

Gamers.com is still around as is VoodooExtreme.

VoodooExtreme is on UGO, which is no longer paying affiliates and likely won't survive the balance of the year. Last time VE was on a network like that (GameFan [slashdot.org] ) the network just suddenly went down one afternoon. I should know, my site was one of the ones that was thrown out in the cold along with VE.

And Gamers.com is likely in the same boat though I admit I don't know any details about their situation. Take a look at their site and see if they're selling anything. Think about how they're making money. Apparently, they're not (banner ads don't make money anymore). They likely won't be around much longer either.

And the worst part is... the more sites that go down, the more traffic it drives to the remaining sites, which increases their bandwidth costs and quickens their demise.

The VC has dried up. The end times for all the large sites are drawing near. You'll either be paying for quality content soon, or you'll be scrambling to find small, poorly-put-together sites that are the only kind that can afford to stay free.

Re:What happened to the excitement? (1)

Hren1 (150597) | more than 12 years ago | (#254816)

The Vorticans shall rule the earth.

Re:Don't forget... (3)

DeeKayWon (155842) | more than 12 years ago | (#254817)

The funny thing is, IGN originally was a product of Imagine Media (IGN = Imagine Gaming Network), but is now with snowball.com. So what did Imagine replace IGN with? Daily Radar. Figures.

Re:Loser Posts (1)

blowhole (155935) | more than 13 years ago | (#254818)

A really good vidgame mag was "Ultra gameplayers". Now there was a quality magazine... too bad they went the way of acid-washed jeans. I want my chicken cookies and haggis!

Joystick101 (3)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 12 years ago | (#254819)

Time to pimp. It doesn't specialize in breaking-news or up-to-the-minute reviews like some other sites, but Joystick101.org [joystick101.org] is a gaming site I've found myself spending a lot of time at. A community driven site (running Scoop) that posts articles by editors, and allows users to vote on submitted material. Sort of a cross between Slashdot and Kuro5hin.

Good place to find some intelligent, thoughtful discussion on just about anything gaming related. I invite everyone to check it out.

Re:GameSpy closing shop? I think not. (3)

elfkicker (162256) | more than 12 years ago | (#254820)

Didn't you get the memo? Please clean out your cubicle by 4pm. Thanks.

Re:GamesDomain.com has always been my first choice (2)

TheFrood (163934) | more than 12 years ago | (#254821)

Decent coverage, although updates are sometimes sporadic.

GamesDomain's gratest yirtue, IMO, is that they take a week or two to actually play games before reviewing them. Where other review sites give you the reviewer's impression based on perhaps 48 hours of gameplay, GamesDomain reviewers can actually comment on how much replayability and lasting appeal a game has.

TheFrood

Surprise surprise (4)

proxima (165692) | more than 12 years ago | (#254822)

This website only drives in the same point again. Commercial companies will continue to struggle to be close to successful with ad-based revenue sources. I'm of the opinion that the most enduring gaming sites will be those hosted by fans - without the need to make a profit. Sure, they may not have the resources or the sneak previews that commercial sites can get - but these web site developers are dedicated to their sites for the mere enjoyment of putting out good, informed information about the games they love.

Advertising is a great way for sites to help recoup the costs of hosting, but definately not paying the salaries of dozens of employees (with a few exceptions, obviously). I count 34 employees on their website. Even if many of them were part time, that's a lot of money simply in payroll.

In the end, this model may work for a very few popular commercial businesses (Yahoo, for example), but most of these websites will either be bought out or go out of business. The best thing is for a decent website to be bought out by a decent non-online company. This way, the parent company can afford to lose some money on the child company as long as it helps branding (thus making the child company an advertising expense). Granted, the Go Network [go.com] isn't my favorite search engine/portal, but they do seem to have survived ok after being purchased by Disney.

GameSpot? (1)

Brelkin (175293) | more than 13 years ago | (#254823)

What I don't get is why so many people hate GameSpot! Sure, it's a Ziff-Davis site, but they give fairly good reviews, and aren't afraid to say a game sucks when it sucks. What is wrong with them? That's the only site I have ever visited anyway! I never went to GameCenter, I never went to avault, I never went to Daily Radar. At least my favorite site is still around. For now anyway.

Reminder about the Advertising (5)

glassware (195317) | more than 12 years ago | (#254828)

We should keep in mind...

Just before Daily Radar closed down, they started experimenting with advertisements. When banner ad revenues dropped precipitously, they added affiliate programs, popups, floating javascript banners, interactive ads, site sponsorships, and more.

What frustrates me is recognizing that these ad technologies - despite being clever, and, in rare cases, useful - did nothing to improve the site's revenue position. Daily Radar had pretty much everything a web site can ask for: daily rotating content, a loyal and excited fan base, community building features, a direct link to sales tools (they had buy buttons on every game review), and more.

What does this say about the state of every other website out there? Daily Radar did not appear to be mismanaged, nor did it appear to lack technical innovation. Most of the attributes Daily Radar had, I have come to regard as essential for a website's success.

I think this means that if you run a website that provides content:

You are probably out of luck.

What happened to the excitement? (4)

Ergo2000 (203269) | more than 12 years ago | (#254832)

It's strange but it's like a world of overloaded sensors, and we're all so numb we just don't give a crap anymore.

Seriously though when "The Internet" was but a network hooking a couple of colleges, local BBS' with a very limited market had vibrant online communities, incredible download sections where you fervently awaited the next issue of Commander Keen (I recall begging a sysop to extend my time limit so I could download the Falcon 3 demo as at 600KB I just didn't have enough time...wow is that game really that old...). Now we have enormous bandwidth and literally a world of people to converse with and generally the sense of community has disappeared. I don't want to sound like an "old-timer" talking about how good things used to be, and of course it could be just my perception, but there certainly doesn't seem to be the interest in the computer game market, or really online communities. Have we all been there/done that?

I'm crying (2)

askheaves (207302) | more than 13 years ago | (#254833)

This is a sad day. One of the best content sites on the net has vanished. My faith in humanity in ruins. You know why all this shit has happened? Because bandwidth costs never fell like they were predicted to. Hell, if things went like they were supposed to, I could host DailyRadar from my house for $40 a month. Curse you, Cisco... Microsoft... HP... Linksys... AT&T... Sprint... TimeWarner... and everybody else who held on to their 1 year plans instead of investing in a medium that could garner real returns. I'm crying.

Good sites closing? Bad ones still here? (3)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 12 years ago | (#254834)

I've read a few comments like that:

Think about it. The best sites with the most traffic have the highest bandwidth costs. Since they cost the most to maintain, they're the first to close.

Then, you bookmark the not-as-great site, but so do the other 100,000 people. Soon, THEIR bandwidth costs are too high, and they have to close.

Then you go to the somewhat-crappy-site, and the closings go on...

Eventually, the only gaming sites will be on Ziff Davis-type sites, which will rate and evaluate all games on a scale of 85%-100%.

OMM [omm.com] is the only site on the web I would donate to.

Re:PXCL (3)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 13 years ago | (#254836)

You didn't pay for it. Now cram it.

Ahhh... they didn't pay for it because the need wasn't there. They could fulfill the same needs at other (free) websites.

The sites that will be successful at pay-per-view will be the ones that generate great content. I consider CNET News.com one such source. I've even emailed them, begging them to let those of us who read them all the time to pay a monthly fee, and get an ad-free view of their site. Jai Singh (editor) seemed interested, asked me what I'd be willing to pay, and said they'd look into it.

Just like Eudora, CuteFTP, et. al. offer versions of their software for free with banner ads, I think you'll start seeing content sites offering the reverse -- an ad-free subscription to their site.

There are only a few sites I'd pay for if they didn't offer their content for free. News.com. ESPN. Maybe CNN.

The best-of-breed content sites will survive and flourish as their crappier competitors go down the tubes.

Re:Surprise surprise (4)

Spinality (214521) | more than 13 years ago | (#254837)

Commercial companies will continue to struggle to be close to successful with ad-based revenue sources. -- proxima

Right. For a while, when so much ad and click-through revenue was there for the taking, it appeared (to the shortsighted) that there was a simple ad-based business model for nearly any web-based company. But the bottom line is (and always was): A viable business must deliver something of value to a willing customer for a fair price. Therefore, the only valid ad-based business model delivers...well, valuable ads. Like TV Guide or Playboy, with a proven track record of delivering or influencing sales through advertising. And NOT like a game site that displays annoying banner ads to clever dudes who just ignore the lame ads.

I wish that every 'new economy' company decision-maker were forced to read your post.

Re:Gaming's taken a dive.... (3)

JWhiton (215050) | more than 12 years ago | (#254838)

I'd say there's some merit in what you have to say about hardcore game designers appealing to a hardcore gaming audience. I personally don't feel as involved in RPGs as I did back in the days of the good ol' epic Square RPGs on the SNES. But I think you're making a rather hasty conclusion about the state of games today.

I would argue that games like Half-Life (a little old, but still alive and kicking), Deus Ex, Unreal Tournament, Baldur's Gate II, and Icewind Dale are all good examples of a group of dedicated designers trying to appeal to gamers using their prior experience with games. Admittedly, Unreal Tournament was kind of a graphic romp, but it had very solid and open-ended gameplay nonetheless.

I'd say the best example of a (somewhat) recent game that strictly appealed to a group of hardcore gamers was System Shock 2. I suggest you pick up a copy post-haste to see what I mean. It's a great game for those who have become jaded by simple tricks that developers try to pull on many gamers today.

Re:Monkey Island (1)

twaltari (217837) | more than 13 years ago | (#254839)

I agree. Monkey Island 2 is simply the best computer game ever produced. It's sad during the past few years we've seen less and less games like it.

Re:Gaming's taken a dive.... (2)

kstumpf (218897) | more than 13 years ago | (#254840)

Good find, I hadn't saw that one. Nice to know SOMEBODY spent enough time with the game to derive a score indicating some level of imperfection.

Gaming's taken a dive.... (3)

kstumpf (218897) | more than 12 years ago | (#254841)

Let's face it, quality of content in the gaming scene has been dwindling for some time. I worked in gaming for a while (insert exhaustive tales of woe here, blah blah blah) and saw it all first hand.

Rewind three or four years back. Most content is written by die-hard fans. People who are monogamous to a game and devoted to a community of people like them churn out good sites with strong content and relatively heavy traffic.

Unfortunately, the last few years turned into a sort of online gold rush when everybody simultaneously got the idea that they could cash in big on something fun.

But instead of hardcore gamers writing content, you often ended up with designer imposters funded by big names who know nothing about the subject matter at hand. And now these folks are running out of gas.

And the games themselves... well... theyre to blame also. Now that computers are to the point where they can make a ray-traced dinosaur holding a multi-colored chainsaw with a flame texture and a 3D drink holder, selling computer games is all about dazzle rather than gameplay. Smoke and mirrors! Most game developers are too busy making goofy effects to worry about gameplay these days.

The amazing thing is that gaming sites fail to realize this or dare criticize it, for fear of upsetting the publishers and developers they like to be in bed with to succeed. I think Black & White is a great example of this. Here's a beautiful game with some big issues (redundant gameplay, sluggish controls, etc.), and gaming sites just go off the deep end about how great the trees look. Personally, I dont respect any gaming site that ships a game to some cheap freelancer who writes little more than a beefed-up version of what I could have read on the back of the box and slaps a high score on it. Oh why not toss in some pictures of models to save face! Invent some new buzzwords, that'll work!

Perhaps I'm just a relic because I was around for gaming's glory days.

PXCL (5)

kstumpf (218897) | more than 12 years ago | (#254842)

If you haven't seen it yet, check out http://www.pcxl.com [pcxl.com] . Good food for thought if youre one of those people who thinks pay-per-view websites would float...

We had a standing bet.

Tens of thousands of people emailed us after we closed PCXL. They told us that if we brought it back in any form, they'd pay for it -- pay even more for it than before.

We knew it wasn't true. So, just to prove the point, we brought it back.

You didn't pay for it. Now cram it.

Love,

The staff of PCXL

Who now (1)

BigumD (219816) | more than 12 years ago | (#254843)

will P.A. [penny-arcade.com] have to make fun of? What a shame.... ;)

Re:Not really the last (2)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 12 years ago | (#254846)

gamepower [gamepower.com] puts up a new review once a day. It's a pretty decent site all around, with all its reviews archived in a database, links to demos and patches, etc. -- the only thing it's missing is a regular feature.

Don't forget... (3)

pimpinmonk (238443) | more than 12 years ago | (#254851)

Don't forget ign.com. That site is quite good. Perhaps it's a gamespy affiliate. Also, the not-for-profit (at least I don't think so) PlanetX sites are good, such as planethalflife, planetunreal, planetdeusex, especially in terms of the mod scene. Also, voodooextreme is on top of all gaming news. So without daily radar, we're not missing a whole lot. Sorry to hear them go bust however.
________________________________________ __________

Re:Reminder about the Advertising (4)

Baddas (243852) | more than 12 years ago | (#254853)

I don't know about anyone else, but as soon as they put a pop-up on every page, I left. For good.

I've been back only twice, both times through an anonymizing proxy to see if they'd taken down the ads. They hadn't.

I even submitted a story to F***ed Company, but was turned down. I said that the pop-ups were a sign of impending doom. Guess who was right?

Interstitials, anyone? (3)

t1nman33 (248342) | more than 12 years ago | (#254854)

On my worst days at work, I'm happy that I'm not scraping gum off the floor of my old convenience store. And on the best days, I'm thankful that I ended up at a dot-com where a) I have to wear a tie to work b) there is no foozball and c) we're not going out of business. "C" makes up for the other two. Seriously, though...I'm ready for interstitials. No, not popup windows. I hate them and close them immediately. I'm ready to go to The Onion [theonion.com] , click on a story, see a full-window ad for a product, which disappears in 5 seconds, or when I click. Why? Because while I love the wonderful and boundless and free exchange of information made possible by this Network of Networks, I am realistic. The Web is no longer academic. You can argue for the free exchange of useful (i.e. "educational" in the traditional sense) information, and I will agree 100%. But academic media is subsidized by universities and research organizations that make money, perhaps indirectly, through that research. Meanwhile, all traditional media (i.e. non-useful, entertaining, fun, like Daily Radar and its ilk), like it or not, makes money from advertising. Whether banner ads work or not is moot; the advertisers have said that they don't work, and because they're the ones with the checkbooks, they can write reality any way they see fit. But if you're guaranteeing that every time you click on a story, that advertiser is getting a guaranteed full-screen impression, maybe...just maybe...the same people that put ads for laptops in PC Computing will pay the same CPM for ads on PC Computing online. Which means that good people like the folks at Daily Radar and countless other dot-coms might keep their jobs and be able to feed their families. Frankly, I like good ads. I don't want to shock the monkey. I don't care if "there's a message waiting for me." And that flashing "WINNER" ad--you know what I'm talking about--makes me refresh every time. I'm talking about stuff the caliber of the John West Bear Fight [adcritic.com] ad on Adcritic. Interstitials might just give ad designers the space they need to produce more ads that aren't just annoying wastes of time. No, I don't work for an ad firm, and yes, I do believe in subsidized Federal health care and a bunch of other hippie causes. But I do recognize that as long as most of the free world operates on a capitalist economy, somebody has to pay the bills. Advertisers have done that for a good long time now. Nobody is forcing you to drink Soft Drink Product A (tm). I ignore as many ads as you do. But that bottom line is, any business--no matter how noble and free-expression oriented the cause--needs to make money just to pay the bills. Daily Radar is just the latest casualty. Hopefully Slashdot won't be next. I'll suffer for 5 seconds to keep the sites I love online.

Re:Awww (1)

spideyct (250045) | more than 12 years ago | (#254855)

I agree 100%. That site was a painful reminder of the damage done to Next Generation Online and Next Generation Magazine. They were both the best in their fields, until they sold out and became another "me-too" advertisement vehicle.

33% of my daily read gone (3)

thejim (254413) | more than 12 years ago | (#254856)

Damn!

I read these sites every day without fail:
1. DailyRadar
2. Slashdot
3. Fuckedcompany

Now there are only 2

Loser Posts (4)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#254861)

Since the posts thus far are mostly redundant - I should say that dailyradar.com which was; at one time PCXL was a decent site. Really the best thing about the site were the downloads sometimes. They gave previews that lauded a game, but then when it came out said "It's just like Tomb Raider, but different maps" to name a Prince of Persia DC review which no one else had reviewed the game. New PCXL; that was awsome. Every month I used to get this rocking magazine that talked about games and if I got really bored - you could beat off to it - there was enough T&A. But then someone sold me PC Gamer - that mag just blows. Every other page is either MS is cool as shit or Buy Babbages! PCXL Rocked! I loved when parents wrote in about how much smut there was. Too bad they didn't continue the style on DailyRadar.com. Naked women and some witty writing about games that sucked would have kept it alive.

Fansites live! (1)

derf77 (265283) | more than 12 years ago | (#254863)

They're run by talented volunteers. They don't have banner ads. They don't have the turn a profit. Sure, they're biased, but that's the point. For starters, check out:

Bungie.org [bungie.org]

Rampancy.net [rampancy.net]

Don't worry, there are plenty of great sites left!

Re:Don't forget... (2)

localmooer (266170) | more than 12 years ago | (#254865)

Woah! A *dot com* closes??????? I never saw that coming :)

Well IGN is the other competitor besides gamespot. I see a bright future for them, as they have a pay program (which I joined). Hopefully that will give them the revenue they need.

Re:Awww (2)

Sarcasmooo! (267601) | more than 12 years ago | (#254866)

And again, sorry, but please GOD let IGN [ign.com] be next. Living day to day without them pandering to my manly needs for babes and alchohol is sure to have it's downsides [ign.com] , but I think I can cope, and I really can't think of any.

Awww (5)

Sarcasmooo! (267601) | more than 12 years ago | (#254867)

Sorry, but good riddens. I've read so many rediculous reviews on that site that I can only say I'll miss the comedic value. Reviews that liken games to works of incomprehensible genius [dailyradar.com] for their obviously intended commentary on the world as we know it. Articles with shocking revelations [dailyradar.com] like 'online games are going to be big'. WHA!??!!? [dailyradar.com]

I will say that I'm surprised they could be short on money when even I accidentally click one of the 100 ads on their front page when I go looking for rediculously stupid articles. Forgive me for my cynicism, I just think that sites like OMM will do fine (despite the tragic loss of Daily Radar), simply because OMM doesn't suck.

Good riddance (1)

Arpad Korossy (304449) | more than 12 years ago | (#254869)

It's about time. Daily Radar was one of the most fanboyish and unprofessional gaming sites on the web. It's about time they were put out of their misery.

penny arcade and the daily radar (1)

medina (446303) | more than 12 years ago | (#254873)

PA [penny-arcade.com] had some funny Daily Radar toons. A snippet from Tycho & Gabe's trip to the Daily Radar:

Part Three: Ha Ha Ha [penny-arcade.com]

Funny shit. www.penny-arcade.com [penny-arcade.com] for more.

Rolling your own. (5)

McCarrum (446375) | more than 12 years ago | (#254874)

Is this just me, or does the whole rise and fall of the dot.com scene feel like the BBS scene? Many sysops saw potential in their BBS's (myself included) and went mainstream (well, as mainstream as a closed audience could provide) and they nearly all went by the way of the dinosaur. It was the original content and customer supported sites that remained. My only semi-supported site that worked was designed to cater for the hearing impared, allowing them access to a large wealth of public information - basically a better version of existing TTY services all in one place.

Suppose the more things change, the more they stay the same. A few lessons from those days should be tinkered with and applied. Before we had to worry about dialing OUT costs (mumble international calls) and today it's bandwidth OUT costs.

Just my $0.07 cents (price adjusted for tax).

--
McCarrum!

Re:Gaming's taken a dive.... (1)

arQon (447508) | more than 13 years ago | (#254875)

Not everyone is into prettiness over gameplay, or making games where even newbies can get cheap frags without having to develop skills.
http://www.promode.org
Yes, I'm biased. :)

I know what you mean about the reviews though. Some of the Q3 sites are the same way about mods: every week there's a new one they hype up as the "greatest mod ever". Coincidentally hosted by them to get a few extra impressions...

The scene isn't hardcore any more because the GAMES aren't any more. Most popular game by an order of magnitude? CounterStrike, where Joe Newbie can kill Thresh just as easily as the other way round.

Gaming's a casual pastime for most these days. You can't really expect the "voices" of those people to be any less so, can you? I mean, if they were into this stuff enough to care about what they wrote, they'd care about what they played too. :)

Other sites (3)

no parity (448151) | more than 12 years ago | (#254876)

Well, for RPGs there's still www.rpgamer.com [rpgamer.com] .

the man who pulled the lever (5)

AndersBrownworth (448236) | more than 13 years ago | (#254877)

alright, i give. i'm the guy who did the deed. i executed the 'mv' command to switch dailyradar.com off. however, the real story is probably the fact that imagine media pulled the plug on just about every one of its internet properties. this includes pcxl.com which was a pay companion of dailyradar.com launched less than a week ago. (and yes, i did the honors there as well) this is all information you can glean from press releases, but it's a whole other matter to be the guy who actually throws the switch on such a popular site.

all of the imagine properties were run on a linux farm concieved of an built by myself and jeremy wohl. quick stats: 2 million dynamic pages per day from a 3 tier linux farm. lvs / apache / resin / oracle / java / xml and a myriad of other tools. the power of open-source here was truly awesome.
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