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235 comments

Now I have to use the gmail app (4, Funny)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#42296813)

I hate it
iOS and android, I hate both versions

Might use yahoo again

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42296917)

Good Fuckoff... lets whinge about something you get access to for FREE

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (2)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297019)

It's free so a user has no right to critique it? Fuck that logic.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (2, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297153)

You can critique it, you just can't demand it be changed.

Also "I hate it" is not a critique.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (-1, Flamebait)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297243)

you just can't demand it be changed

doesn't sound much like freedom to me you oppressive dictator

how about you feel free to go get fucked

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (0)

White Flame (1074973) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297157)

No, but a free user has no right to complain when the free service goes away.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (1)

penix1 (722987) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297359)

Which is all the more reason not to use those services... How long do you think they will survive when the user base they are claiming to get money for disappears?

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298239)

Google's been around a lot longer than tons of non-free email services out there. Bad logic. Paying money for a service is in no way a guarantee that the company will keep offering that service, or even be around very long. People paid boatloads of money for CompuServe, and that didn't last either.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (4, Insightful)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297417)

It's not really free though. You are paying by allowing google to take your data and spy on you. It's not like google is a charity and giving things away because they're nice. If they want to continue spying on people with their "free" apps then they should listen to what the user's want.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (5, Informative)

i.r.id10t (595143) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297835)

"If it doesn't cost you money, then you are the product being sold"

Or something like that... forget where I saw it though...

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42299269)

If you're not paying for it, you're the product.
or
If you're not the customer, you're the product.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42299677)

If you're not paying for it, you're not the customer - you are the product

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42299507)

Even if you are paying money for it. You'll still probably be sold. No company will turn down the extra money you know...

Spy? C'mon (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298085)

How does targeting advertising equate to spying? Google is no charity, but they aren't selling your data. Rather, they are selling access to a 'bucket' of users who are interested in "A", to advertisers who make a product like "A". Equating that to spying is as stupid as equating a copyright infringer with a pirate. It's hyperbole, and it's not helpful.

Re:Spy? C'mon (1)

penix1 (722987) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298201)

And exactly how do they do that without reading what you have on their services? That is the definition of spying. How they use the knowledge they gain is irrelevant and also your suggestion that they aren't selling it elsewhere doesn't mean they won't in the future. That is hardly hyperbole and if it isn't considered when deciding whether to use their services then that isn't helpful.

Re:Spy? C'mon (1)

halltk1983 (855209) | about a year and a half ago | (#42299435)

Everyone aggregates your data and then make business decisions off of it. It's the way of the world now. Based on housing prices, average income, population, cultural diversity, etc, is how a lot of businesses decide where to open up new branches. They don't just drop a pin on a map and hope. They aggregate data about groups of people and then target them to sell things to them. It's how the world works. See also: Preferred Customer Cards and your online puchasing accounts.

Re:Spy? C'mon (1)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | about a year and a half ago | (#42299675)

I see.

So, since all companies spy on their customers now, it's not spying anymore.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298717)

Which is why I tell my customers to avoid free services, especially by Google and MSFT, until they become massively popular because both companies tend to throw shit at the wall and if it doesn't become a massive hit it gets dumped, users be damned.

Killing services that have hundreds of thousands, possibly even a million or more users because they don't fit some metric of popular is a good way to keep people from trying your new offerings. And since Google makes its money showing users of those offerings ads it is really not good business.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298569)

It's free so a user has no right to critique it? Fuck logic.

TFTFY

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297177)

It's not really free. You might pay a hefty fee years later, when you need access to all of your email data and Google doesn't give it back to you, gives it to others without consulting you, decides you should pay, sells it, whatever.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (1)

MBCook (132727) | about a year and a half ago | (#42296963)

Is IMAP really so bad?

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297097)

Is IMAP really so bad?

No, but Apple's iMap sure is ;-) I'm glad Google Maps is available again.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297125)

Yes because IMAP doesn't have push. Firing up the radios on a phone to poll some server every 15 minutes is a giant waste of battery. Exchange ActiveSync does have push support, so killing EAS is a major step backwards for anyone using gmail on a non-google device. I'll be switching my email to outlook.com because of this.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297521)

1) They are not 'killing EAS'. Google Sync was for accessing Google products via MS protocols -- which is ridiculous.
2) IMAP has a push [wikipedia.org] , it's just not enabled/provided by most IMAP providers
3) Gmail has push in their own app for iOS and Android.
4) If you're using WP8.... well, that's your own damn fault :P

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (2)

pathological liar (659969) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298009)

Yes because IMAP doesn't have push.

It doesn't? [wikipedia.org]

Client support is a bit spotty (iOS Mail.app didn't support it, stock Android client doesn't either, alternatives like k9mail do), but that doesn't mean it's not there.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (3, Informative)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298639)

IMAP has had push since before Gmail existed, and I've been using it since then ... and GMail supports IMAP NOTIFY (the IDLE command).

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298923)

you're adorable.

'push' works by activesync leaving a connection open to the exchange server, just like imap idle, or else polling periodically, just like regular imap.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298927)

wrong. Push email still requires a constant connection to the server to create the network link; it's just that it doesn't need to go through the pull protocol handshake every time, but your antenna is still turned on for push - how else do you expect data to reach you?

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (4, Informative)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42299441)

wrong. Push email still requires a constant connection to the server to create the network link; it's just that it doesn't need to go through the pull protocol handshake every time, but your antenna is still turned on for push - how else do you expect data to reach you?

Antenna turned on? Antennas are just a chunk of wire.

Imap IDLED support works exactly like ActiveSync. They both open a socket to the mail server, try to read that socket, and when nothing arrives, put the radio receiver in an extremely low power listening state. (You can even shut the receiver off for fairly long periods of time without notifying the TCP Stack.) It uses almost zero power this way.

When the read succeeds either because the server sent something, or the socket times out (anywhere from 12 to 18 minutes later) the TCP stack briefly wakes up and re-establishes the socket and tries to read it again, acts on what it received, or puts the radio in low power state(sleep) again.

Nothing is traveling across that link while the radio is "sleeping". Only upon the transmission of data from the server, or the closing of the socket does the radio ever become active.

The assumption that your cellular radio is ever off is simply wrong. The vast majority of the time your radio is not transmitting anything, but it is always listening to the cell tower. So an open socket across which no data is being transmitted costs exactly zero additional battery power, except for a brief spike once every 12 to 18 minutes while the socket is refreshed.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (1)

Jesse_vd (821123) | about a year and a half ago | (#42299147)

Have you tried them in the last week? They redid the whole app and it's pretty awesome now, multiple accounts and everything.

Re:Now I have to use the gmail app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42299379)

This along with all of the other recent fucked up shit that both Google and Apple have been doing is why my next phone is either going to be Windows 8 or just a plain old "dumb" phone.

Fags (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42296875)

Google = fags

This is why you never rely on any of Google's services.

Re:Fags (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42296941)

No Google = Feds (FBI/CIA/NSA etc)

Re:Fags (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297251)

but Feds = Fags so you're both right ;-)

Re:Fags (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297693)

Fuck you, shit stain.

Who cares (3, Informative)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42296927)

I prefer to use rackspace. For $3 a month I can get quality email and mobile syncing of calendars, contacts, etc and without the data snooping and surprises of shit just disappearing when Google feels like it.

Yes it costs money but if you can't afford $3 a month then stick with the data snoop or consider getting a job.

Re:Who cares (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297271)

This sounded great until I went to their website and found out that a mail box is $2 and exchange server is an additional 10 for $12 a month. At $144 a year I think i'll stick with the data snooping.

Re:Who cares (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297535)

That's Exchange, and is a bit different. Their bog standard email/calendar/contacts/tasks product is $2-3 or so.

(Well, £1.35 per month according to their site, plus £0.65 for ActiveSync access, total £2 per month, dollars will be something like $2-3 I'd guess).

Re:Who cares (1)

Rakishi (759894) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298387)

That's BS:
a) There's a minimum of $10/month
b) The non-exchange version doesn't have mobile syncing of calenders (according to the rackspace website)

Re:Who cares (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298653)

Shit will just disappear when Rackspace feels like it.

You're rather silly to think Rackspace is going to keep providing it when its not profitable. They are no different than Google.

Re:Who cares (1)

kllrnohj (2626947) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298911)

Or you could also pay Google and get the same great products + active sync support + real customer service + no ads

Why am I using Google, again? (0)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42296969)

Seems like every time I sign up for a Google service and get used to it, within a couple years they pull the rug out from under me.

Say what you want about Microsoft's shoddy products, at least they're consistent.

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (2)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | about a year and a half ago | (#42296995)

Some of them even refuse to die! now that's a product!

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297051)

No, no no. You've got it all wrong.

Google is OPEN. That means you're not locked into a vendor, at all, ever, and you can always take your data elsewhere, or hire someone else to support the software you want to use on your own! Or even learn to support it all on your own!

This is a good thing. Another victory for open source, can't wait to hear Rubin's take on this!

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (2, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297105)

Say what you want about Microsoft's shoddy products, at least they're consistent.

*cough* Plays4Sure *cough*

At least Google doesn't demand you pay for the services they discontinue.

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298333)

Can anybody can think internet without Google now a days....or pass a day without Google and the Internet?

TechNet (www.technetbd.com)

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42299389)

Can anybody can think internet without Google now a days....or pass a day without Google and the Internet?

TechNet (www.technetbd.com)

Without Google? Not a problem. I've had my own email on my own domain since 97 and currently use DuckDuckGo for my web search. (They don't track and don't filter bubble you.) I could live without Google maps.

Go a day without the Internet? OK now that would be a problem, especially considering how many services use the Internet to exchange data.

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (3, Interesting)

WWJohnBrowningDo (2792397) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297199)

Seems like every time I sign up for a non-Google service and get used to it, within a couple years Google pull the rug out from under me.

When I signed up for GrandCentral it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. And then Google came in, brought the company, re-branded their service as Google Voice, and then shutdown GrandCentral. The problem is, Google Voice doesn't support Canadian numbers, but GrandCentral did. It's been 3 years since then and I'm still waiting for Google Voice to come up north to restore the service I lost 3 years ago.

I know, I know, it's a free economy and Google can buy whatever company they want. Neither GrandCentral nor Google owe me any service and they're in no obligation to provide any service to Canada. But I still wish Google hasn't done that.

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (1)

bonehead (6382) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297889)

I agree. GrandCentral was a killer service. Since becoming Google Voice, every now and then I go to adjust a setting, only to find that the setting no longer even exists.

Google seems to be pissing me off on a pretty regular basis lately.

They fucked up GrandCentral, took away Browser Sync, and based on the article description, it looks like they're axing 2 or 3 features this time around that I use regularly.

Bastards.

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297273)

Say what you want about Microsoft's shoddy products, at least they're consistent.

yeah... consistently shoddy

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (4, Insightful)

Y-Crate (540566) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297665)

Seems like every time I sign up for a Google service and get used to it, within a couple years they pull the rug out from under me.

Apple is the same way - which is why I'm not relying on any of their services too heavily.

iTools became .Mac, which became MobileMe, which spawned iWork.com which shut down when MobileMe went away with the launch of iCloud.

Say what you want about Microsoft's shoddy products, at least they're consistent.

"Here is this new initative called Plays For Sure! "
*introduces the Zune*
"Plays for Sure is not supported on the Microsoft Zune®"

Re:Why am I using Google, again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42299501)

Can't tell if joking... or if you actually stubbornly hold on to the antiquated technology this was all made for solely so you can bitch about it when it inevitably gets shut down because very very few people use it anymore...

Carddav/caldav? (3, Interesting)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about a year and a half ago | (#42296991)

Does this mean Android will FINALLY have decent out of the box carddav/caldav support?

That's one of the biggest things that I've preferred iOS to Android. That, and the stupid way applications are stored on the system partition so you 'run out of free space' despite having gigabytes free.

Re:Carddav/caldav? (4, Informative)

Qwavel (733416) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297031)

Whether they are better yet, I'm not sure, but Yes, they have indicated that they want people using CardDAV/CalDav instead of Exchange.

Not too surprising, given that they have to pay MS for Exchange licensing, but I don't think these open protocols have the push support that Exchange had.

Re:Carddav/caldav? (3, Informative)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297123)

That's one of the biggest things that I've preferred iOS to Android. That, and the stupid way applications are stored on the system partition so you 'run out of free space' despite having gigabytes free.

That was changed with the release of ICS.

Re:Carddav/caldav? (1)

mrt_2394871 (1174545) | about a year and a half ago | (#42299149)

That's one of the biggest things that I've preferred iOS to Android. That, and the stupid way applications are stored on the system partition so you 'run out of free space' despite having gigabytes free.

That was changed with the release of ICS.

Not quite. ICS had almost seamless support for the "move to SD" model of app management, but it still got confused if you ejected any card (even one that didn't hold any apps).

My Nexus 7 (with JB) isn't partitioned at all.

Re:Carddav/caldav? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298721)

I don't know about out-of-the-box, but I've been happy with CardDAV-Sync [google.com] and CalDAV-sync [google.com] .

Calendar sync? (1, Insightful)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297053)

So, does this mean that the only valuable feature of Google I've found so far is going to stop today? That's the ability to sync all my Android device calendars through my gmail account. Gone? I won't be able to enter an appointment on my tablet and have it show up on my phone?

Re:Calendar sync? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297129)

my question exactly. also the app to sync my non-exchange work calendar at work with gcalendar seems to be killed off.

Re:Calendar sync? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297137)

RTFA. Different thing.

Re:Calendar sync? (5, Informative)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297171)

Not unless you're using Exchange to do it:

Google Sync was designed to allow access to Gmail, Google Calendar, and Contacts via the Microsoft® Exchange ActiveSync® protocol. With the recent launch of CardDAV, Google now offers similar access via IMAP, CalDAV, and CardDAV, making it possible to build a seamless sync experience using open protocols.

GoogleSync and GoogleCalendarSync are Google's implementation of ActiveSync; they're not used to describe the general syncing features Google offers. This announcement is basically saying they're retiring a proprietary protocol in favour of open standards.

Re:Calendar sync? (5, Informative)

broken_chaos (1188549) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297257)

The summary was pretty terribly worded -- it didn't get across the fact that, essentially, this is stuff you're horridly unlikely to be using. The actual article was much clearer and more matter-of-fact about it.

Re:Calendar sync? (5, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297277)

That's because the summary wasn't designed to inform, it was designed to enrage. This is what passes for journalism these days.

Re:Calendar sync? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297377)

It should enrage. IMAP doesn't have push. CalDAV and CardDAV (whatever those are) have next to 0 support outside of Google crap but just about every supports EAS. This is lock in at it's worst.

Re:Calendar sync? (5, Informative)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297595)

Well, you're ignorant enough not to know what CalDAV is, yet still consider yourself knowledgeable enough to comment on the field, so I'd say that you're the natural target audience for trollish, flamebait headlines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CalDAV#Implementations [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CardDAV#Implementations [wikipedia.org]

http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/en/us/IntellectualProperty/IPLicensing/Programs/ExchangeActiveSyncProtocol.aspx [microsoft.com]

Also note that ActiveSync requires an MS license to implement. Now that's lock-in.

Re:Calendar sync? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297639)

1) IMAP has push.

2) Saying not supporting EAS (an MS product) is "lock in at it's worst" is laughably stupid.

3) CalDAV, and CardDAV are open standards, if you dont know what they are they how do you know they have next to 0 support? Oh right you're just trolling/shilling/whining and don't actually know what you're talking about. Apple has supported both since at least iOS4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CardDAV [wikipedia.org]

The following products implement the server-side portion of the CardDAV protocol: .

        -Apple Address Book Server.[3][4]
        -Baïkal, an open-source and lightweight CalDAV+CardDAV server based on SabreDAV API
        -CommuniGate Pro supports CardDav protocol.[5]
        -DAViCal supports CardDAV from version 0.9.9.2[6]
        -EVO Mail Server, a mail server software, supporting CardDAV
        -fruux, a synchronization service, supporting CardDAV
        -Meishi, a standalone, Ruby on Rails based CardDAV server[7]
        -Memotoo, a synchronization service, supporting CardDAV
        -ownCloud supports CardDAV protocol since version 2.0.
        -SabreDAV, a WebDAV framework for PHP, supports CardDAV since version 1.5.[8]
        -Zimbra 6 allows access to its address book via CardDAV.[9]
        -GMail and Google Contacts allow access to user's address book via CardDAV.[10]

The following products implement the client-side portion of the CardDAV protocol:

        -ContactSync for Android[11]
        -Apple Address Book in Mac OS X v10.6 "Snow Leopard".[12]
        -Apple iOS, starting from iOS 4.[13]
        -Atmail supports a complete CardDAV client via the Webmail interface[14]
        -CardDavMATE, open source HTML5+Javascript CardDav client (web application)[15]
        -CardDav-Sync for Android[16]
        -Evolution - Works as WebDAV contacts. Except perhaps not currently (version 2.30, 2.31) other than https on port 443.[17]
        -Kerio Connect[3][18]
        -KDE Software Compilation 4.5 will feature CardDAV client support, due in August 2010. It will be available for use by Kaddressbook, which is part of Kontact PIM suite. It will be provided by Akonadi: a PIM server which will also make the data available to other applications.[19]
        -CardDAV PHP, open source PHP CardDAV Client[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CalDAV [wikipedia.org]

Clients

        Agendav, a web open source caldav client
        Apple iCal -- On August 7, 2006, Apple announced that Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard" would include iCal 3.0, an application that supports the CalDAV access and scheduling standards.[1] Mac OS X Server 10.5 Leopard includes iCal Server, which implements the CalDAV access and scheduling protocols.[2] The iCal Server has been released under an open source license as the Darwin Calendar Server.[3] On March 17, 2009, Apple Computer announced that CalDAV would be included in the iPhone 3.0 SDK.
        Atmail, a complete client and server implementation, with support for a wide range of desktop clients and mobile devices.
        CalendarSync for Android[4]
        CalDAV-Sync for Android[5]
        Chandler
        eM Client
        Evolution
        The Mozilla Calendar Project applications (Lightning, a plugin for Thunderbird, Seamonkey internet suite and Sunbird (a standalone version) also support CalDAV calendars.
        Mulberry
        Accounts & Calendar for the Nokia N9

Servers

        Apache caldav module caldav module for Apache servers
        Atmail, a complete client and server implementation, with support for a wide range of desktop clients and mobile devices.
        Baïkal, an open-source and lightweight CalDAV+CardDAV server based on SabreDAV API; the database used is SQLite (non intrusive, lightweight, easy installation and backup)
        Bedework: an open-source enterprise calendar system that supports public, personal, and group calendaring.[6]
        ContactOffice supports CalDAV using iCal 3.x
        CommuniGate Pro multiplatform Unified Communications server which supports CalDAV
        DAViCal is an open source calendaring server that uses the CalDAV format compatible with multiple calendaring clients.[7]
        EGroupware, a web-based open source groupware server, contains support for CalDAV since version 1.8
        EVO Mail Server, a mail server software, supports CalDAV since version 2.0.100
        Kerio Connect (formerly Kerio MailServer) - supports CalDAV since version 6.5
        OpenLink Virtuoso, a hybrid middleware and database server, since version 6.5 (Commercial Edition) and 6.1.5 (Open Source Edition)
        OpenLink Data Spaces, a data integration framework and suite of associated Web applications
        Oracle Beehive, a unified communication and collaboration software solution, supports a number of open standards including CalDAV.[8] This allows Beehive to work with a number of calendaring clients including Apple iCal, Mozilla Lightning, and Mozilla Sunbird.[9]
        ownCloud, a software suite that provides a location-independent storage area for data (cloud storage).
        Radicale, a Python CalDAV and CardDAV server.
        SabreDAV, a WebDAV framework for PHP, supports CalDAV since version 1.2[10].
        SOGo, SOGo is fully supported and trusted groupware server with a focus on scalability and open standards.[11]
        Synchronica, a developer of mobile push email and synchronization solutions announced that their Synchronica Mobile Gateway and Synchronica Mobile Backup products are both fully compatible with the CalDAV standard, allowing compatibility across a wide range of calendar applications.[12]
        Tryton, an Open source platform for business solution, supports CalDAV server since version 1.4[13]
        Zimbra

Online-Services

        Fabasoft Folio Cloud
        fruux, a synchronization service, supporting CalDAV
        Google Calendar supports CalDAV using iCal 3.x[14] and Mozilla Sunbird 0.8+.[15]
        Memotoo, a synchronization service, supporting CalDAV
        Yahoo! Calendar supports CalDAV using iCal 3.x.[16]

Re:Calendar sync? (1)

bonehead (6382) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297953)

1) IMAP has push.

Well, technically, yes.

But the way it's implemented causes it to be a battery hog on mobile devices.

Re:Calendar sync? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42299463)

More accurately, the way Gmail implements IMAP push -- with a 5 minute server heartbeat added to the usual 30 minute client heartbeat -- is a battery hog.

A proper implementation of IMAP push should use about the same amount of power as EAS push -- though EAS has the advantage that it can also check contacts/calendar in the same request.

- Speaking as someone who has implemented both IMAP and EAS push on a mobile email client. I have to wonder if Gmail deliberately crippled their own IMAP push support, considering that the official Gmail app for Android uses a proprietary protocol to talk to their servers.

Re:Calendar sync? (1)

davidshewitt (1552163) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297383)

Are you suggesting...to RTFA? Oh No! ;)

Re:Calendar sync? (1)

sdsucks (1161899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297781)

Yes, and losing some features along the way right? I believe push email will no longer work on gmail for iOS, but please do correct me if I am wrong.

Re:Calendar sync? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42299701)

You are wrong.

gmail for iOS uses Apple's push notifications, which have nothing to do with this.

Re:Calendar sync? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297327)

Only if you are using a smartphone that isn't Android or iOS.

Re:Calendar sync? (1)

mrmeval (662166) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297355)

You should have been running your own private server with an encrypted VPN. Google is shit and getting shittier. Depending on these monetizing crack babies is not rational.

Yes there is a feeble offering for a linux box that will do all that and more. Try freecode or wait for the fanbois in 3...2...1...

New features (4, Insightful)

openfrog (897716) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297069)

On other news sites, I read that Google today announces 18 new features. http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/2012/12/google-communities-and-photos.html [blogspot.ca] etc.
And here: http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/14/google-gives-google-end-of-year-update-adds-low-bandwidth-hangouts-full-size-mobile-photo-backups-better-event-planning-animated-gifs-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+(TechCrunch)&source=email_rt_mc_body&ifp=0 [techcrunch.com]

Just Google it...

But on Slashdot, I read that drivel coming right out of Burston-Marsteller, or some other PR drone.

This is supposed to be a technology forum but somehow, some Slashdot editors perhaps seem to think that this is 'provoking' material, in the good sense of being humorous and driving up the number of comments?

But at what price? At what price, just in terms of credibility, for a beginning?

Could someone answer that?

Re:New features (0, Troll)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297103)

What you mean is Google rather talk about the new G+ features they've added to that service they're forcing everyone to use because it's simply not good enough to attract people on its own thanks to shitty policies like the real name policy and the fact it is just a facebook clone with a dash of twitter stolen and added in.

Re:New features (1)

icebraining (1313345) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297303)

forcing everyone to use

How so? I have a Google account, but I don't have a G+ account.

Re:New features (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298693)

How so? I have a Google account, but I don't have a G+ account.

You created your account before it was forced on new sign-ups at the beginning of this year. I'd bet money that Google will force 'old' Google accounts to create a Google+ profile within the next 12 months.

Re:New features (1)

bipbop (1144919) | about a year and a half ago | (#42299053)

I signed up for gmail in 2004, never used it, and it became a Google Plus account. I didn't create a profile, mind you. It just happened.

Re:New features (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297573)

Well... for something that's "simply not good enough to attract people on its own", it wierdly does seem to be attracting people and growing faster than one would think.

And it seems to have a noticeably higher signal-to-noise ratio than facebook/twitter/whatever - i.e. stuff on there seems to be more likely to be interesting or informative.

Re:New features (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297635)

On other news sites, I read that Google today announces 18 new features.

All those new "features" are just additional Google+ cruft, and are of little interest to most people.

Basically Google appears to be hellbent on getting their foundering social platform going, and is pulling people off other - arguably more useful - projects in an attempt to somehow accomplish this.

Re:New features (1)

sdsucks (1161899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297767)

Because loss of features that are part of peoples daily lives is usually more relevant to them than potential future features they may use.

Adding features = no change in my life unless I want to.
Removing features = forced work for me to change services.

Pretty simple really, but I can provide some analogies if you like?

Re:New features (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298295)

Losing Google Calendar is a much bigger deal than adding features to Plus.

Re:New features (1)

halltk1983 (855209) | about a year and a half ago | (#42299397)

You're not losing the calendar. They're just switching to an open source alternative to microsoft's proprietary connection protocol.

So how are we supposed to set this up now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297167)

So right now the was I've been setting up iOS devices was by setting up an Exchange server pointing to m.google.com so that everything would work well. What's the best way now if they're discontinuing that?

So they are pulling a Twitter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297471)

Gotta use only their apps now?

Farewell, appointment slots, we hardly knew ye (3)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297671)

I am sad to see these go. Appointment slots have become increasingly useful in our department. We were getting ready to roll out a trial use of appointment slots to allow our students to self-reserve appointments with our department advisors... but now that's obviously not going to happen.

The end of Google for me. (3, Insightful)

sdsucks (1161899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297745)

No more push email for iOS (currently done via exchange)? That's the last reason I actually use any Google services.

I've been moving away from Google for about a year now because I feel that they have turned form only partially evil to complete evil. Eliminating push email is the final trigger to get me to completely eliminate Google services from my life.

Goodbye Google, and thanks for the years of services. Good luck with that G+ thing that you're pushing so hard. I'm sure someone likes it, since you've managed to alienate so many by forcing it upon us (and yes - I would say "forced" is adequate - the last gmail account I signed up for automatically had a G+ profile created...).

You just have to use the gmail app for push (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42297807)

They aren't getting rid of push.

Re:You just have to use the gmail app for push (4, Interesting)

sdsucks (1161899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42297845)

So they are essentially forcing me to use two applications for my email then, if I want push from them (since they are far from the only email provider I use).

Same shit different pile ;). All said, it's a move I've been intending for awhile anyway, so this is just motivation to make the move away from their services.

I was using the new Google Maps app for iOS the other day and it seems like every page i open it wants me to sign into my Google account so they can track me. Deleted. I prefer paid offline maps anyway, since I live in Canada and often travel where cell coverage is limited.

Re:You just have to use the gmail app for push (2)

halltk1983 (855209) | about a year and a half ago | (#42299411)

Since it's an open source protocol, your other mail apps are welcome to implement the feature. Or you could switch to one that supports open source protocols for all your email. Perhaps contacting the developer might help?

Re:The end of Google for me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298007)

We'll miss you.

Re:The end of Google for me. (2)

kllrnohj (2626947) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298903)

I've been moving away from Google for about a year now because I feel that they have turned form only partially evil to complete evil.

Oh for fuck's sake, are you kidding? Not support a proprietary, Microsoft protocol and instead using open, free protocols is *EVIL* now?

The only way you can trot this out in relation to "don't be evil" would be this is Google being *LESS* evil.

Re:The end of Google for me. (1)

sdsucks (1161899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298991)

I never said Google was evil for their decision to eliminate these services. That is their choice, whatever the reason.

It's their lack of respect for my privacy that makes them evil.

Re:The end of Google for me. (3, Interesting)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298941)

I feel that they have turned form only partially evil to complete evil. Eliminating push email is the final trigger to get me to completely eliminate Google services from my life.

So in an effort to embrace and open standard and axe support for horrible proprietary crap from Microsoft you're now ditching them because they've become ... too evil?

*slow clap*

Please do us all a favour and stop moaning and just go and migrate to MobileMe, err I mean iWorks, err mean iCloud and I'm not even sure it's still iCloud I mean it has been out for like a year so I expect Apple to axe it in favour of the next incompatible proprietary crap soon.

Winter cleaning.... (1)

Dr. Zim (21278) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298041)

Gotta spare up cycles for ingress.

A shame (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298121)

Google Calendar + Gmail is a nice alternative to Exchange nonsense. What are they thinking?

Is there anything else that can integrate with Thunderbird in a similar way that Google Calendar does with Lightning? Or is no one going to offer an alternative to Microsoft?

Re:A shame (2)

halltk1983 (855209) | about a year and a half ago | (#42299415)

They're getting rid of the "Exchange nonsense". They're switching from the exchange MAPI protocols to open protocols.

Not just Series 60 (3, Insightful)

Echemus (49002) | about a year and a half ago | (#42298197)

Turning off support for syncing Symbian/S60 devices will also cripple the non-Symbian devices that support Mail For Exchange; the N9, N900 and N950.

Re:Not just Series 60 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298953)

Turning off SyncML will kill support for Series 40 featurephones. In general this seems like a comprehensive move to kill interoperability with competitor's products.

Self-signed certs for POP3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42298495)

They also dropped support for self-signed certificates when checking POP3. Now your options are to get an SSL cert from a supported CA, or use plain text. See http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=21291&ctx=gmail and https://productforums.google.com/d/topic/gmail/6gODk9n65ZU/discussion.

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