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First Photos and Video of Raspberry Pi Model A

timothy posted about a year ago | from the 25-bucks-(cheap!) dept.

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coop0030 writes "The first photos and videos of the Model A production samples are now available. The Raspberry Pi Model A is the newest low-cost computer from the Raspberry Pi Foundation. Compared to the popular Model B, the Model A forgoes the Ethernet Controller, has 256MB of RAM, and has a single USB port. A benefit of the missing Ethernet controller is that power consumption is reduced. This allowed them to reach their goals of a low-cost $25 computer. The release date is for sometime early in 2013."

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Why? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299423)

I'd rather see a $45 Pi with more Ram etc.

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about a year ago | (#42299471)

I would too. But the goal was always for a $25 computer that's a useful, low cost learning tool. You can't fault them for actually making that happen.

Re:Why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299587)

*You can't fault them for actually making that happen.*

Says who?

goal was always for a $25 computer (3, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#42299755)

...except it wasn't.

The goal was to stop the erosion in what is perceived to be "computer skills" and interest in computer science as computing in UK schools had become about "Office" and Consumer computing had become "electronics". In fact the cheap part is in response to computers being expensive and arcane. [from http://www.raspberrypi.org/about%5D [raspberrypi.org]

I personally am convinced that the costs involved in raising the costs slightly to increase "memory" not anything else is incredibly wise. I have used GNU/Linux on little memory and its not fun...and Android seems to have similar requirements.

Re:goal was always for a $25 computer (1, Interesting)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about a year ago | (#42299875)

I'm not sure that disagrees with what I was saying. But no matter, I agree that a slightly nicer model would be nice. I'm just not upset that they released the one they said they would before working on a fancier one.

I know a lot of people have been making noise about wanting a Model C since the beginning. I imagine they'll get around to it, and then people will gripe that it's either too expensive or not as good as their gaming rig. ;)

Re:goal was always for a $25 computer (5, Interesting)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year ago | (#42300001)

Actually I'd like a model with Ethernet port and enough RAM but without graphics (that should save a lot of power, too).

Re:goal was always for a $25 computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300081)

Actually I'd like a model with Ethernet port and enough RAM but without graphics (that should save a lot of power, too).

Apparently cutting the GPU won't save much power over the current boards.
I've heard the GPU on the current models turns itself off if there is no output plugged in.

Re:goal was always for a $25 computer (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300269)

It's going to be pretty hard to cut the GPU out when the CPU is just an afterthought taped to it.

Re:goal was always for a $25 computer (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year ago | (#42301083)

I have used GNU/Linux on a machine with 4MB of memory, and it worked just fine.

Re:goal was always for a $25 computer (1)

e70838 (976799) | about a year ago | (#42302541)

I have learned linux in 92 on a 486dx33 with 16 Mo RAM and 120 Mo hard disk. It was really fun. At that time drawing a rectangular text window did not require and expensive 3D graphical card.

Re:Why? (3, Informative)

White Flame (1074973) | about a year ago | (#42299913)

There are a few others in the RPi space now. This board might be more up your alley: Cubieboard [cubieboard.org]

Re:Why? (1)

expatriot (903070) | about a year ago | (#42300439)

That page said the product was ready to ship in the last news update in September, but the order page still says preorder. Might be interesting if a US or European distributor picks it up. The only advantage of this over similarly priced Chinese "A10" tablets is the I/O pins.

Re:Why? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#42300681)

Except its not shipping so kinda pointless to link to NOW, isn't it? Since we have seen so many of these things end up vaporware until they are actually filling orders i really wish people would stop linking to these things, a thousand and one things can make a deal fall through, trouble getting a chip, bad boards from the supplier driving the cost up to high, trouble getting support chips, so until we actually see people getting the units instead of some "pre-order" page its really as much vaporware as a Phantom console.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300731)

Except its not shipping so kinda pointless to link to NOW, isn't it?

Neither is the Raspberry Pi Model A, so what's your point?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300763)

From http://www.indiegogo.com/cubieboard?c=activity [indiegogo.com]

A quick update, we have started shipping now. All the fast shipping and one rich packages are shipped out today. We will send out the tracking number soon. The 2/5/10 rich packages will be shipped in 2 or 3 days.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300419)

There you go: http://cubieboard.org/

Re:Why? (1)

dmesg0 (1342071) | about a year ago | (#42302363)

I don't understand the point of getting Raspberry Pi with its ancient CPU. For ~50$ (including shipping from China) you can get mk808, which has:

1GB RAM/8GB flash
Dual core 1.2GHz Cortex A9 CPU (RK3066)
MicroSD/USB/HDMI/Built-in Wi-Fi

Re:Why? (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about a year ago | (#42302597)

AIUI the problem is that while the SoC theoreticallly supports 1 gigabyte of ram noone actually makes an 8 gigabit* chip that is compatible with the memory interface on the SoC they are using.

I suspect that at some point there will be a second gen Pi with a different SoC, a newer memory technology and more memory but I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

*Don't ask me why system memory is typically measured in gigabytes while memory chips are measured in gigabits but that seems to be the way things are.

ARMv6 (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299451)

It's 2012, 2013 in about 400 hours. ARMv6 and just one USB2.0 port, which isn't even working right. You have got to be kidding.

Re:ARMv6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299527)

Interesting. Will you sell us your better $25 computers?

Re:ARMv6 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299613)

You wish. No no, you be Broadcom's bitches and help sell their leftover chips.

Re:ARMv6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299923)

Yeah. I didn't think so.

They're very nice considering they cost the same as an Arduino and lots of people appreciate an inexpensive option. So it appears we're all very fortunate that your opinion is totally irrelevant.

Re:ARMv6 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300073)

If you're still comparing yourself to an Arduino, then you really need to get your head out of your ass and see what's available. Of course that's assuming you're not in the same demographic that finds using $30 boards to blink some LEDs empowering.

Re:ARMv6 (4, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#42300197)

To be fair, you can get Arduino clones for a lot less than that...

You can even make one yourself. Solder a $3 chip to a piece of perfboard and write "Arduino" on it. It'll work just the same.

The official $30 Arduino is for people who want their voltage regulators, USB interface, etc. all on a single board. Apparently that's a lot of people...

Re:ARMv6 (1)

samkass (174571) | about a year ago | (#42301263)

If you're still comparing yourself to an Arduino, then you really need to get your head out of your ass and see what's available. Of course that's assuming you're not in the same demographic that finds using $30 boards to blink some LEDs empowering.

For what it's worth, my 7 year old does indeed find programming flashing LEDs from a Python script incredibly empowering. And he's exactly the target audience for Raspberry Pi, too.

STFU already /.; everybody knows and nobody cares! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299469)

STFU already about Raspberry Pi, at least until the A model is actually available; everybody knows and nobody cares!

Re:STFU already /.; everybody knows and nobody car (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300511)

I love that this got modded -1 Redundant, despite being the first post to criticize timothy's r-pi hardon.

It's like "YMBNH" on steroids; ANY criticism of the editors is redundant, because their suckitude is self-evident.

Re:STFU already /.; everybody knows and nobody car (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42301273)

Chill a bit. You could've just expressed your opinion by saying that you're gonna wait for the batch to be secured before we can say much about it, and pass on to read some other article. R-Pi is actually a hot topic in electronics and not just some /. editor's hardon.

Re:STFU already /.; everybody knows and nobody car (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42303253)

STFU already about Raspberry Pi, at least until the A model is actually available; everybody knows and nobody cares!

Tell me where you work. I'll put a Pi in a little white case, label it "Carbon Monoxide Detctor -- Do Not Remove", equip it with a wifi dongle, load up the PwnPi distro and leave it in your furnace room. Glad to hear you'll be okay with that since it's just a POS.

Availability. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299513)

I wanted to get a model B, but the US availability sounds sketchy. May take up to a month? Hmmm...

Re:Availability. (1)

mirix (1649853) | about a year ago | (#42299689)

I ordered one from Newark last week, got it three? days later. It showed out of stock when I ordered.

It's the newer model with 512MB RAM and screw holes (whoever fucked that up in the first place... it's mind boggling)... but it's not made in the UK. Not sure what that's about, I thought they were supposed to be now.

I wanted to design a shield, but it appears there are no technical drawings of the thing. No drawing showing how far the mounting holes are from GPIO pin 1 and whatnot, just simple stuff like that. Guess I'll have to measure.

I'm not sure why I hopped on this circus anyway... What amateur night project can't release something that simple?

Re:Availability. (2)

rephlex (96882) | about a year ago | (#42299771)

It's the newer model with 512MB RAM and screw holes (whoever fucked that up in the first place... it's mind boggling)... but it's not made in the UK. Not sure what that's about, I thought they were supposed to be now.

Some of them are, some of them aren't. There have been multiple reports of the recently Chinese manufactured Pi's having questionable soldering and reliability problems. See here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=22473 [raspberrypi.org] and http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=24571 [raspberrypi.org]

Re:Availability. (3, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year ago | (#42299903)

If you have a PDP-11 why do you want a raspberry-pi?

Re:Availability. (1)

mirix (1649853) | about a year ago | (#42299953)

I've been trying to reduce my power bill.

Re:Availability. (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year ago | (#42300075)

I see that there are emulators around [dbit.com] so maybe you could retain your software and retire the hardware (in the summer, anyway).

256 is not enough (5, Interesting)

slacka (713188) | about a year ago | (#42299531)

They should have waited until they could get the cost down with 512MB of RAM. Having used both the 256 and 512 Model B, I found that no amount of tweaking could make the 256 model run a web browser acceptably on a Linux desktop. Modern Linux desktops and browsers have gotten too bloated. LXDE is painfully slow, while KDE and gnome desktops are just downright unable. The 512 model has no such issue.

Re:256 is not enough (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299565)

Low-cost computer, not general-purpose desktop-replacement.

Re:256 is not enough (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299653)

It's got HDMI, so it's expected to run a GUI with applications, especially after the RaPi-Foundation showed off Linux desktops in their promotional videos. Even the stated purposes of teaching programmers requires that you can look up documentation, which means there has got to be a working web browser. There are also cheaper systems with much lower power consumption if you don't need a display, and much more powerful systems if you want a low cost Linux desktop.

Re:256 is not enough (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299921)

It's got HDMI, so it's expected to run a GUI with applications, especially after the RaPi-Foundation showed off Linux desktops in their promotional videos. Even the stated purposes of teaching programmers requires that you can look up documentation, which means there has got to be a working web browser. There are also cheaper systems with much lower power consumption if you don't need a display, and much more powerful systems if you want a low cost Linux desktop.

They've also said that you wouldn't expect to use the model A for the same purposes you use model B. Seriously; what better way to debug something than to plug it to a display? And how does HDMI force you to use a GUI? When has learning programming required a web browser?

Re:256 is not enough (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about a year ago | (#42302741)

When has learning programming required a web browser?

Sadly, there are many who read Slashdot who think of themselves as 'web programmers.' Its just how things are these days.

Real programmers don't always program in Assembly Language, but they can map their projects down to that level when necessary.

Re:256 is not enough (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#42303771)

Real programmers don't always program directly in opcodes, but they can map their projects down to that level when necessary.

Re:256 is not enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300317)

I'm not really an emacs fanboy, but If you're looking to teach programming, I think XEmacs runs fine in 256MB, and is a self-documenting programming environment with no need for a web browser (though it does have one of those).

I can't believe I'm recommending emacs as a low-footprint alternative; are you fucking happy now, Firefox you fat bitch?!

Re:256 is not enough (1)

mspohr (589790) | about a year ago | (#42301015)

GUI runs great in 256.
XBMC plays great video.
Debian runs Chrome, Abiword and Gnumeric and they are fast.

Re:256 is not enough (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299981)

Low-cost computer, not general-purpose desktop-replacement.

First statement on the FAQ [raspberrypi.org]:

It’s a capable little PC which can be used for many of the things that your desktop PC does, like spreadsheets, word-processing and games. It also plays high-definition video.

Re:256 is not enough (1)

capedgirardeau (531367) | about a year ago | (#42301287)

It still does not say desktop replacement. It says it can be used for some of the things you would do with a desktop, that is a big difference from saying it can replace your desktop.

My 256meg Pi runs XBMC great, it surprised the heck out of me. But that was not what I bought it for and is not what I use it for so it was just an added bonus.

I will be buying one of the new 512 Model B boards to be a media player for sure.

I might get a model A board to use for an embedded application as I do not really need an RJ45 port and I find the only thing I use the USB for is a wifi dongle as I run my existing board headless anyway.

Re:256 is not enough (2)

lahvak (69490) | about a year ago | (#42301515)

Exactly. It says nothing about "modern" bloated desktop environments. I have an old desktop computer that I use as a print server, and it crawls with lxde or xfce, but it is perfectly usable with something like fvwm or fluxbox, and runs gnumeric and abiword perfectly fine, as well as most games that are available in linux. I don't know if it plays HD video, I never tried it. It has 512 MB, but memory is almost never a problem, usually about half of that is free anyway.

Re:256 is not enough (1)

nzac (1822298) | about a year ago | (#42299741)

Its not the desktop environment its just that browsers even with a few tabs open would like about 300Mb to function properly.
Chose a lighter weight browser or get aggressive with cutting back your browsers memory usage.
Both Debian and Arch's minimum requirements are 64Mb and you should be able to get it using less.

Re:256 is not enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300809)

Yep, and the browser choices bundled with lightweight distros are hilarious, Xubuntu comes with firefox, which can't start up on a machine with 256MB of ram that's already running X and xfce, Lubuntu, on of the lightest ubuntu based distros, comes with chrome, fucking chrome!?! Because it's modular, you can start chrome, it's fairly snappy, but there isn't enough memory to host the rendering engine... Of course i should admit that these problems only come from attempting to use the systems without swap, say as a livecd, but who wants to be swapping on an SD card in a very slow ARM device?

Re:256 is not enough (4, Informative)

houghi (78078) | about a year ago | (#42299859)

What about http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ [damnsmalllinux.org] ?

Re:256 is not enough (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about a year ago | (#42302053)

IIRC it's x86 only and based on an aincient version of debian, i'm not sure i'd want to let such a thing near the internet.

Re:256 is not enough (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299951)

Instead of using Linux which is unfit for the RPi, you'd be better off running RISC OS, which has a full web browser that I assume runs super-fast.

Re:256 is not enough (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about a year ago | (#42302061)

For sufficiently small definitions of "full web browser"

Netsurf runs pretty fast under linux too, the trouble is website compatibility is pretty poor.

Re:256 is not enough (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#42300235)

They should have waited until they could get the cost down with 512MB of RAM. Having used both the 256 and 512 Model B, I found that no amount of tweaking could make the 256 model run a web browser acceptably on a Linux desktop.

Huh? My 256MB Pi runs a web browser perfectly...

Re:256 is not enough (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300947)

They should have waited until they could get the cost down with 512MB of RAM. Having used both the 256 and 512 Model B, I found that no amount of tweaking could make the 256 model run a web browser acceptably on a Linux desktop. Modern Linux desktops and browsers have gotten too bloated. LXDE is painfully slow, while KDE and gnome desktops are just downright unable. The 512 model has no such issue.

I don't think the PI is really meant as a desktop replacement, but if you want to browse the web in 256 MB:

No gnome, no KDE. A bare-bones window manager. It is not as if gnome/kde is needed for browsing the web anyway, I use neither and that is on a powerful pc.

Also, use lightweight browser. lynx perhaps, or dillo if you have to have graphics. No plugins!

Re:256 is not enough (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#42301313)

Dillo is excellent, I really like it. I wish there was more attention drawn to it, it could use some extra developers.

Re:256 is not enough (1)

couchslug (175151) | about a year ago | (#42300983)

You don't need a desktop environment to use Linux for specialty applications because those can avoid using a DE entirely.

Want a "desktop"? Buy the ITX combo of your choice and be happy.

Re:256 is not enough (1)

mspohr (589790) | about a year ago | (#42300993)

I don't know what you're trying to do but both Midori and Chrome run just fine on 256mb.

Re:256 is not enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42301531)

"have gotten too bloated"

Short memories forget how we all complained about Netscape and how we could not get a decent browsing experience on our Pentium MMX systems with 256 M of ram.

It's THE SAME.

Pointless change, more or less (2)

rephlex (96882) | about a year ago | (#42299555)

Judging from their forums, there's a significant number of people who think removing the Ethernet controller/USB hub chip is going to solve or at least substantially reduce the Raspberry Pi's problems with USB. It won't. Unfortunately, but predictably it doesn't look like the Foundation have done anything to correct this misconception. Isochronous transfers which audio interfaces, webcams etc. rely upon won't be affected much, if at all by this change, i.e. they will still be utterly broken. If you get one of these types of devices working at all with your Pi you should consider yourself lucky.

one word (0)

nihaopaul (782885) | about a year ago | (#42299561)

Mk802iii much more powerful and cheaper than the raspberry pi

Re:one word (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299685)

the cheapest i can find a mk802iii is 62.37 and thats if i buy 20 or more...

+1 (0)

csumpi (2258986) | about a year ago | (#42300425)

How about promoting hardware that actually works, has a case, multiple times the memory and in the end costs less than the RPi? The RPi will just sit in the junk pile unused after the initial buzz wears off and reality sets it.

Ummmmm... (-1, Troll)

virb67 (1771270) | about a year ago | (#42299635)

Nobody wants this.

Re:Ummmmm... (4, Insightful)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year ago | (#42299691)

Interesting. I saw a post just like yours when the Raspberry Pi was first announced. End result was demand was so high it was quite difficult to get. We'll see how it pans out this time.

Re:Ummmmm... (4, Insightful)

virb67 (1771270) | about a year ago | (#42299979)

And why would anyone choose this model over B, with twice the ram, Ethernet, and a second USB port for a measly 10$ savings?

Re:Ummmmm... (4, Informative)

M1FCJ (586251) | about a year ago | (#42300153)

Lower power requirements. A lot of embedded device people don't care about the RAM and the ethernet. Who'd like to drag a network cable in their little robot?

Re:Ummmmm... (0)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#42300223)

And why would anyone choose this model over B, with twice the ram, Ethernet, and a second USB port for a measly 10$ savings?

Not everybody is a spoiled first-world brat whose daddy pays for everything...?

Jesus Pop politics (0, Offtopic)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#42300273)

Not everybody is a spoiled first-world brat whose daddy pays for everything...?

Except this is a first world problem that this is designed to solve, Computers becoming to expensive to tinker with and the rise of consoles/dedicated electronics over General Purpose computers. The UK is still the first world.

Quite frankly I'm a little tired of the lie that I can't complain because if I'm not dying of hunger, or my first priory is not getting clean water. The sad fact is I suspect that those never been your problem either.

Re:Jesus Pop politics (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#42300539)

The real first-world problem is lack of imagination. I can imagine scenarios where people would want one, why can't anybody else? (apparently...)

eg. I might design/build an embedded gadget using my desktop Model B Pi but when I want to deploy it it won't need Ethernet, USB or ability to run 3 desktop apps simultaneously. Why should I pay $10 extra for things that will never be used? $10 her, $10 there, it adds up over time (or real fast if I want to deploy 100 of them...)

And that's a first-world scenario...!

Re:Jesus Pop politics (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year ago | (#42303961)

That's still cost basis.

No mention of the fact that this unit is smaller, lighter, and uses less power too.

Re:Ummmmm... (4, Insightful)

dabadab (126782) | about a year ago | (#42300467)

And why would anyone choose this model over B, with twice the ram, Ethernet, and a second USB port for a measly 10$ savings?

Because they:
1. Don't care much about that difference
and
2. Buy lots of them in which case it's a saving of not 10$ but 30% - and that's a lot.

Re:Ummmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42301773)

Because the ethernet and extra usb port all hang off the same bus, the only real benefit to the model B is the 512mb ram. for xbmc use I'd much rather have a model A so I can plug in a usb wifi adapter and roll with it.

Re:Ummmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42303773)

I thought there were problems with the USB and ethernet on the model B, but I may be mistaken or they may be fixed.

The model B only has one USB out, but they stuck a USB hub chip and USB ethernet chip (they may both be in a single chip) on there to get the two ports and ethernet. If I'll be hooking up my own hub anyway, why not stick my own USB ethernet on there? And with the lower power consumption of the A (because it has no on-board USB hub or ethernet), it will be easier to power it from a spare port on a powered USB hub. I admit the extra RAM on the B is a plus, but not everyone will need it.

Re:Ummmmm... (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year ago | (#42303953)

Why would anyone choose to use an ATTiny microcontroller over an ATMega with 4 times the ram, 8 times the I/O capability, multi port analogue to digital conversions, interfaces for UART, SPI, TWI etc, for a measly $1.50 savings?

There's much more to a device than cost. So far every application of a Raspberry Pi (despite what the makers showed with their lovely full Linux desktop displays) has NOT been a general purpose computer. Typically I've seen these used as a small embedded platform. In many cases the size of the PCB, weight (e.g. send these up in weather balloons), and power requirements (e.g. run it from solar and a small battery for a remote data monitoring station) may be the overriding factor.

The Raspberry Pi makers look to be trying to take away the market share from small ARM development boards.

Wow, this will change the world (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42299693)

Geeks can mount this on their fleshlight and make it their girlfriend, they will finally have a cheap date.

Natural Environment (4, Funny)

dohzer (867770) | about a year ago | (#42299735)

Can we please get some photos of the Raspberry Pi in its natural environment; sitting unused, covered in dust on some hipster-geek's shelf?

Re:Natural Environment (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42300723)

before posting, you should ask yourself if what you have written is helpful for others to read, or if it is just sophmoric snarky tripe meant to make you feel superior.

just sayin'

Re:Natural Environment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42301815)

Are you sure you're on the right website?

I don't know about anyone else (-1, Flamebait)

crossmr (957846) | about a year ago | (#42300675)

But I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing about raspberry pi.

Re:I don't know about anyone else (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#42300967)

I bought one and I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing about it. I don't want to hear one more fucking thing until ICS or later is running on it, personally, since that was the news that got me to buy one, and then they never released it, and Liz never adequately explained why.

Raspberry Pi serves as a reminder to the community as to why we still need electronics companies. Apparently, we are not yet capable of producing and delivering a product this complex without doing it badly, even with all the support you could ever hope for from the vendor.

Re:I don't know about anyone else (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year ago | (#42302517)

plenty of people working on that port, you're just whining because open source volunteers aren't working to YOUR schedule? hint for you, don't buy hardware for software that isn't released yet.

Re:I don't know about anyone else (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#42302985)

plenty of people working on that port, you're just whining because open source volunteers aren't working to YOUR schedule?

No, I'm complaining. Whining is a matter of tone.

hint for you, don't buy hardware for software that isn't released yet.

Yes. That's what I said.

Re:I don't know about anyone else (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42303869)

Sounds like whining to me!

Re:I don't know about anyone else (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42303951)

If you wanted Android then why didn't you get one of those cheap Android devices? I know they cost a bit more than the RPi, but they have a better processor and ICS actually already runs on them.

Here's a tip, never buy hardware for software that is promised to run in the future, only for what it runs today.

To those demanding 512MB (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42301391)

To those demanding 512MB, you're a treadmill consumer, not a real programmer.

raspberry pi is supposed to be like the C64/spectrum 8 bit era computers.
the reason these 8bit machines lasted 15+ years, is because programmers eventually learned to break the rules and extend the functionality of the systems far beyond the hardware designers ever conceived. I disagreed with the foundation extending the B model to 512MB as it sets it apart on an upgrade treadmill course, rather than a, develop badass low level code hacker attitude that prevailed on the 8bit demo scene and game industry.

look at late C64 titles like creatures 2, mayhem in monsterland (MIM was 68k long, the programmer found 4K of storage in the C64 ROM chips!)
(the legendary 'lick your finger' cheat code for creatures 2) Triads Red Storm demo, Nuvie FMV player and many other examples of good programmers striping the code back to the silicon, and creating something unexpected, inspirational and mind blowing.

The people here asking for 512MB are the the rich kids whose parents bought them NESes/SNESesand Genesises when they got bored waiting for tapes to load and only returned to computing in the pentium era. While those happy with 256MB are the kids who bought disk drives, compression utility carts and tore it up on C64s/Speccys/Amigas during these years.

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