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Anonymous Hacks Westboro Baptist Church

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the which-side-are-you-on-boys dept.

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elashish14 writes "The Westboro Baptist Church stated earlier this week that they would be picketing the funerals of the victims of Newtown Connecticut's tragic shooting in an effort to bring awareness to their hate messages. In response, the Anonymous hacker collective has hacked their website and posted the personal information of all of its members."

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Kudos (5, Insightful)

benjfowler (239527) | about 2 years ago | (#42309609)

Happy to see Anonymous making themselves truly useful for the first time since Operation Chanology. I can think of nobody more deserving than a kick in the arse than the Westboro mob.

Re:Kudos (0)

Jetra (2622687) | about 2 years ago | (#42309611)

I can't even imagine what horrors they were about to bring had Anonymous not stepped in.

I'm Writing a Book (4, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 years ago | (#42309631)

"What to Expect When You're Expecting Anonymous"

Re:I'm Writing a Book (2)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 2 years ago | (#42309797)

You're writing this tome in TCL, it trust.

Re:Kudos (3, Insightful)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 2 years ago | (#42309699)

You would destroy all of the freedoms so many have died for you to obtain -- if only because a group is using speech you deem unacceptable. Shame. Shame on you sir.

Re:Kudos (4, Interesting)

benjfowler (239527) | about 2 years ago | (#42309795)

That was completely lost on me.

Re:Kudos (4, Insightful)

Truekaiser (724672) | about 2 years ago | (#42309809)

Free speech is not just speech you just like. It's any speech.

Re:Kudos (4, Insightful)

jhoegl (638955) | about 2 years ago | (#42309923)

So is the return of that free speech.
When free speech is something they dont like, they should not be surprised when that free speech is their personal information.

Re:Kudos (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309815)

Bullshit. Picketing the funerals of kids is not acceptable.

Re:Kudos (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309869)

Bullshit. Picketing the funerals of kids is not illegal.

Re:Kudos (5, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 years ago | (#42309823)

Wait. This is vigilantism, and while I would happily convict them if caught, I cant say they are wrong. Just as I can absolutely abhor capital punishment carried out by the state, i can also believe in repaying a personal vendetta in blood, i jsut dont expect to be let off if caught.

Re: Kudos (4, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 2 years ago | (#42309831)

Being able to say anything you want wherever you want comes with the responsibably to know when and where it's appropreate to do so. Misusing it ruins it for eveyone.

Re: Kudos (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309887)

Would you also say it also comes with the responsibility to spell it appropriately?

Also, bullshit. Speech cannot harm anyone. Period.

Re: Kudos (5, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 2 years ago | (#42309987)

When your 8 year old kid is killed in a school shooting feel free to let people walk around you, while your burrying them, yelling that your kid is burning in hell eternally. Till then maybe you should show a little compassion for the people it's actually happend to.

Re:Kudos (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309841)

WBC isn't exercising free speech. They're exercising hate speech. Burning a cross on a black man's lawn is free speech, and yet is also a hate crime. WBC is a community of criminals and needs to be stopped.

Re:Kudos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309899)

Burning a cross on a black man's lawn is trespassing,

That's what makes it illegal.

Re:Kudos (1)

noobermin (1950642) | about 2 years ago | (#42309929)

IANAL, but IIRC, if one can prove racist intent, the sentence can be made more severe.

Re:Kudos (2)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 2 years ago | (#42309989)

Mixing an existing crime with hate speech can increase the sentence. When the WBC protests legally with hate speech, it isn't illegal.

Re:Kudos (5, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | about 2 years ago | (#42309921)

All speech is free speech. If you start classifying what is and isn't "hate speech" you only serve to erode away what Free Speech really is.

Do you classify "Hate Speech" by popular opinion? If so, then burning a cross in someone's yard was at one point not considered "Hate Speech." So who's the inevitably curator of what you classify as "Hate Speech"? Is it the government? What if you say that our Electoral College is fucked up and should be replaced... could the Government classify that as "Hate Speech" against America?

This whole "Hate Speech" movement is really starting to concern me. It's censorship.

Re:Kudos (4, Insightful)

Spottywot (1910658) | about 2 years ago | (#42309843)

While I agree that we have to honour this groups freedom of speech, do you think that anonymous are curtailing others freedom of speech, or simply exercising their own? They don't seem to be stopping anyone from expressing themselves, just exposing the members of that particular church. I sincerely hope no-one gets hurt over this, but maybe it'll make a few members of this sect wonder what the fuck they're doing being a part of it.

Re:Kudos (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309877)

Making your point about your views on the matter on a blog, or in a newspaper/newsletter, in a letter to the editor, or just on the street corner to whoever will listen is free speech. Picketing the funeral of elementary school students is more than just rude, it is disruptive of a privately funded memorial service. This is hardly anything foreign to our free speech protections; you can picket outside of a politician's home, but if you're doing it at 3 AM with a bullhorn, or sitting outside and shining in a strobe so as to disrupt the occupants of the house, you're not so protected.

Re:Kudos (4, Interesting)

Brad1138 (590148) | about 2 years ago | (#42309895)

Although fundamentally I agree with you, WBC is so heinous, I really have no problem seeing anyone step on any of their freedoms. They really should all be locked up in a loony bin.

Re:Kudos (5, Insightful)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#42309925)

...and this is how it starts. "I support freedom, but group X is so bad that they're not even human." Having now established the fact that people can be classified as subhuman (untermensch) based on their religion, the rest flows naturally from there.

Re:Kudos (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309965)

You would destroy all of the freedoms so many have died for you to obtain -- if only because a group is using speech you deem unacceptable. Shame. Shame on you sir.

Good to see you fully support www.stormfront.org

Re:Kudos (4, Insightful)

msauve (701917) | about 2 years ago | (#42309975)

One person's rights end where another's begin. They have the right to free speech, just as those holding a funeral have a right to avoid unwanted speech.

If you disagree with that, post your address, and we'll get someone in front of your house with a bullhorn at 2 AM so they can exercise their freedoms.

Re:Kudos (2)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42309791)

you mean doing something you agree with.

which means your OK with anonymous so long as you share their disatain for their target.

Re:Kudos (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309935)

That's disdain, learn some English.

This is a non-issue, and here's why - Unlike Anonymous, the Westboro Church can and does actually reveal themselves in public every time they pull a stupid stunt like picketing the funerals of dead soldiers (and now, children). The whole point of Westboro is that they're the opposite of Anonymous. They are a gazillion times more offensive in the public meatspace and are brave (and/or stupid) enough to do it all without wearing silly masks.

Not that my opinion matters in the grand scheme of things, but if I could appeal to Anonymous as a whole, I would ask them to keep the moralfaggotry to tracking down animal abusers. We must continue to allow religious people to discredit themselves and religion in general. Allowing the Westboro church to carry on their business is not only good for free speech, but the advancement of society as a whole.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Anonymous helping the haters ! (5, Interesting)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#42309835)

The one thing those haters from Westboro Baptist Church is after is notoriety - I mean, nobody with a sound mind would do what they are doing.

By hacking the websites of the Westboro Baptist Church, and by turning this event into a worldwide thing - face it, the news of the hacking of Westboro Baptist Church website has become a sensational news by itself, else /. wouldn't have carried it - what the Anonymous are doing, while still commendable, is to play it into the hands of those haters.

The best way to deal with haters is to ignore them.

Re:Anonymous helping the haters ! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309937)

Actually, Anon agrees and has better things to be doing.

The message left on westboro's site reflects that, and that may have upset Phelps' crew more. Nothing hurts a fundamentalist more than being shown that they're considered utterly irrelevant.

Re:Kudos (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309943)

Happy to see Anonymous making themselves truly useful for the first time since Operation Chanology. I can think of nobody more deserving than a kick in the arse than the Westboro mob.

So, you dont approve of people who have their own opinions and think they should be silenced for having an unpopular opinion or voicing one you dont agree with?

Were supposed to be free in america and free to think or say what we wish. When you attack others for not thinking what you think they should then its no longer freedom. America preaches tollerance, but it never tollerates what it doesnt like, people who preach tollerance only want others to tollerate them, they dont want to tollerate anyone else.

If you dont like what they have to say then ignore it. Its really that simple. Just mind your own business.

Re:Kudos (1)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about 2 years ago | (#42309955)

Pretty useless maneuver against a group that wants to spread their hate message. All that Anonymous have done is give even more publicity to these real life trolls. Well, I guess I'm guilty of that too.

Re:Kudos (1)

benjfowler (239527) | about 2 years ago | (#42309983)

Welcome to the party then :-)

If only ignoring them would make them go away. I have a feeling that they wouldn't.

on a related note ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309627)

Dear anonymous. Please find out who phoned in the threat to the church and release his/her/their information.

Slashdot trolls (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309637)

For all the trolls here, you're no match for WBC. The Phelps family is the ULTIMATE trolls.

Re:Slashdot trolls (5, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 2 years ago | (#42309687)

It's funny, I was just watching Shirley Phelps-Roper (daughter of WBC founder Fred Phelps and a spokesperson for the group) talk on YouTube. The way she speaks ranges from over-the-to self-righteous indignation to outright hysteria.

Somehow, she's exactly what I'd expect from an IRL internet troll.

Re:Slashdot trolls (4, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 years ago | (#42309837)

No they are not. They are emboldened by our willingless to tolerate them becasue we love our country more then we hate them.

If nothing else..... (1, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42309639)

Westboro Baptist Church is an object lesson in why it's good to have some restrictions on speech, such as limiting it to a reasonable time and place.

Re:If nothing else..... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309689)

Or a lesson in the fortitude to live up to the harsh strictures of freedom.

To let others be free is to chain yourself.

Absolutely! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309701)

Westboro Baptist Church is an object lesson in why it's good to have some restrictions on speech, such as limiting it to a reasonable time and place.

There should be Free Speech Zones and Free Speech times.

I, for one, think that religious protests should be in Death Valley at 1PM or their locality at 3 - 4 am.

It's reasonable - to me.

Re:Absolutely! (4, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42309763)

This is how the supreme court interprets it, speech can be limited in this way.

Not everyone agrees on where the exact line between reasonable and unreasonable lies, but certainly there are times when most people agree it is unreasonable (in the middle of the night with a bull-horn in a residential neighborhood when everyone is sleeping counts as unreasonable; telling the victims' families that god hates them and their children are in hell during the funeral counts as unreasonable).

Re:Absolutely! (2)

AthanasiusKircher (1333179) | about 2 years ago | (#42309913)

This is how the supreme court interprets it, speech can be limited in this way. [snip] ... certainly there are times when most people agree it is unreasonable ([snip]...telling the victims' families that god hates them and their children are in hell during the funeral counts as unreasonable).

Umm, the Supreme Court has explicitly ruled that such things are "reasonable," at least regarding civil actions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps [wikipedia.org]

Re:Absolutely! (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42309971)

Yes, yes they did. That doesn't contradict what I said. (note also that in that case, the protestors were far away from the actual funeral).

Re:If nothing else..... (5, Insightful)

poity (465672) | about 2 years ago | (#42309711)

Just the opposite, I see it as a test for those who claim to be champions of the freedom of expression.

Re:If nothing else..... (1)

khasim (1285) | about 2 years ago | (#42309741)

Seconded.

No one needs to protect speech that does not offend the majority.

Re:If nothing else..... (5, Insightful)

meta-monkey (321000) | about 2 years ago | (#42309847)

What about the rights of the victims' families who don't want to be subject to harassment at a funeral? You have the right to say what you want, but you don't have the right to force me to listen to you by screaming your message outside my house.

WBC's freedom of speech should not be infringed upon. They should not be thrown in jail for their speech, or fined. But "free speech" does not mean "forced listening."

Re:If nothing else..... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309927)

What about the rights of the victims' families who don't want to be subject to harassment at a funeral?

No such right exists.

Re:If nothing else..... (3, Insightful)

meta-monkey (321000) | about 2 years ago | (#42309953)

And yet if someone is harassing you, you can get a restraining order against them, can you not?

Re:If nothing else..... (2)

AthanasiusKircher (1333179) | about 2 years ago | (#42309995)

And yet if someone is harassing you, you can get a restraining order against them, can you not?

Indeed, you can. And if there is a remedy in this case, that should be it -- rather than arguing about "restricting free speech," we should be arguing about whether threats to disrupt a funeral constitute "harassment."

However, given Supreme Court rulings about peaceful public property protests, however, I don't think courts are likely to grant restraining orders in such a scenario.

Re:If nothing else..... (1)

penix1 (722987) | about 2 years ago | (#42309949)

No one needs to protect speech that does not offend the majority.

And no one needs to protect them when they spew their hate. Let them take the consequences of their speech. After all, speech does have consequences.

I think the best thing that could happen would be for all of the victims families to sue for slander sequentially one after the other. Cost them an arm and a leg defending that. Being tied up in court should keep them off the streets at night.

Re:If nothing else..... (4, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42309903)

Perhaps, but you personally also favor limitations on free speech.

For example, imagine if someone wanted to enter your house to give you a message and tell you how blind, and what a sheeple you are. Would you let them enter your house? What if they stood outside your residence at 3:00AM, with a bullhorn, and woke up everyone on the street with a message saying that all white people are evil and should be slaughtered?

Would you accept it as a test of your commitment to freedom?

It is possible for someone to both champion freedom of speech, and also believe that you shouldn't harass people at a funeral.

Re:If nothing else..... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309713)

Westboro Baptist Church is an object lesson in why it's good to have some restrictions on speech, such as limiting it to a reasonable time and place.

And who gets to deside what "reasonable" is? And do you trust them?

Re:If nothing else..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309819)

And who gets to deside what "reasonable" is? And do you trust them?

And once people start jockeying to get into the office that has the authority to decide reasonableness, are you confident that the political process will continue to consistently choose trustworthy people?

Re:If nothing else..... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42309919)

And who gets to deside what "reasonable" is? And do you trust them?

It's a good question, but you should know that the answer is the supreme court. I don't trust them particularly, but if we want to overturn their rulings, we can do it by voting in new politicians who will appoint justices to overturn their rulings.

It is a long process, but so far it has seemed to work out well. There are problems with making supreme court rulings too easy to change.

Re:If nothing else..... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309715)

It's definitely interesting to contrast their experiences with those of protestors taking issue with politics, Wall Street, or the environment.

Re:If nothing else..... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309749)

I disagree entirely. Your post is an object lesson in how cowards would prefer to hide behind law enforcement cracking skulls so as to not dirty their own hands. Bigots of this caliber are trolling IRL so hard as to violate all social norms on decency. Vigilante violence is the obvious answer. When we compromise our civil liberties to enable legal oppression, we have delivered the necessary foundation for antisodomy enforcement and walked right in to their hands. If we pissed on the constitution every time some troll tried to get a reaction, the federal government would have entire agencies dedicated to the destruction of the bill of rights.

Re:If nothing else..... (0, Flamebait)

zixxt (1547061) | about 2 years ago | (#42309753)

Westboro Baptist Church is an object lesson in why it's good to have some restrictions on speech, such as limiting it to a reasonable time and place.

You sir sound like a fascist.

Re:If nothing else..... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42309855)

There are two primary requirements for freedom of speech to be effective:

1) You must be able to criticize the government.
2) You must be able to get your message to people who want to hear it.

If you have these two qualifications satisfied, then you have enough free speech to maintain a democracy.

In the US, we have stronger protections for speech than even these, and I like it that way, but I also don't want people disturbing me in the middle of the night with their 'cause.'

Re:If nothing else..... (0)

nschubach (922175) | about 2 years ago | (#42309993)

2) You must be able to get your message to people who want to hear it.

Slave Owner's didn't WANT to hear messages of their slaves... so is it not in their right to speak freely?

Free speech means having to hear to people that you don't agree with at times. You don't have to listen.

Re:If nothing else..... (4, Insightful)

AthanasiusKircher (1333179) | about 2 years ago | (#42309875)

Westboro Baptist Church is an object lesson in why it's good to have some restrictions on speech, such as limiting it to a reasonable time and place.

I absolutely agree that Westboro Baptist Church's proposed action here is beyond poor taste in this situation -- it is deplorable and disgusting.

However, I also think that limiting speech "to a reasonable time and place" is a really problematic standard as well. Who decides what is "reasonable"?

I think the Bush administration that created "free speech zones" would have argued that they were limiting free speech to places that were "reasonable." The Bush administration did in fact make a similar argument that protestors with a different message and agenda would be disruptive to the purpose of the events that the administration was organizing.

Is the argument about funerals any different? Believe me, I wish the Westboro people wouldn't do this crap. But is there any way we can prohibit peaceful assemblies of people on public property who just happen to have a different message than some other neighboring event, without also condoning crap like "free speech zones"? Or, if we allow families or churches to dictate free speech in surrounding areas on particular occasions, who decides what occasions and what areas? Can corporations take advantage of such protections as well?

I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I'm really wondering if people have good answers about how we can draw a line without also making it a lot easier to trample on free speech rights in a lot of situations that might matter.

Re:If nothing else..... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42309947)

However, I also think that limiting speech "to a reasonable time and place" is a really problematic standard as well. Who decides what is "reasonable"?

You should know this, but the answer is the courts. And they have decided. This issue has been hashed out for a long time by the supreme court.

The primary requirement for free speech is that people who have something to say are able to get their message to people who want to hear it. As long as you have that, then you don't necessarily need the ability to disrupt political conventions, etc.

ignore instead of feed (4, Insightful)

magarity (164372) | about 2 years ago | (#42309641)

these scum do it because they get the attention they want. ignore them, please!

Re:ignore instead of feed (2, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 2 years ago | (#42309695)

I dunno...

I figure once a few of those members have protesters of their own driving to Westboro, KS and showing up at their homes, schools, and everywhere they go, maybe they'll get the hint and STFU? Once their mailboxes get the Ralsky Treatment [slashdot.org] (Gay pr0n suggested, of course), maybe they'll get the hint and realize that maybe harassment is a bad thing?

Re:ignore instead of feed (5, Insightful)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42309813)

"I figure once a few of those members have protesters of their own driving to Westboro, KS and showing up at their homes, schools, and everywhere they go,"

Its been done. They are all lawyers. They provoke people for the sake suing them. They all live comfortably, but they don't work.

The best thing to do with a troll is not to feed it.

Re:ignore instead of feed (4, Informative)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#42309867)

One of the article's commenters spoke about the govt. can't limit free speech but individuals can. In 2010, at a Topeka demonstration by the WBC, church members found their tires slashed, and no one in town would sell church members replacement tires. Sounds like a fair deal to me.:

" McALESTER -Members of a Kansas church that protests at military funerals may have found themselves in the wrong town Saturday. Shortly after finishing their protest at the funeral of Army Sgt. Jason James McCluskey of McAlester, a half-dozen protesters from Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., headed to their minivan, only to discover that its front and rear passenger-side tires had been slashed. To make matters worse, as their minivan slowly hobbled away on two flat tires, with a McAlester police car following behind, the protesters were unable to find anyone in town who would repair their vehicle, according to police. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101114_11_a12_cutlin105145 [tulsaworld.com]

Re:ignore instead of feed (5, Insightful)

hendridm (302246) | about 2 years ago | (#42309969)

It's difficult to ignore them as you're walking into the funeral home to say a final goodbye to your child who was just shot in the face at the elementary school they attended.

This isn't even funny... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309647)

I've always held that anyone is free to speak their mind, even if I don't agree with what they're saying.

If Westboro Baptist Church was really planning to interfere with the tragedy that has happened at Newtown,
they've sunk to a level so low that no reasonable Christian should want anything to do with them. Scum.

This is too far. I don't want to say any more to further dirty the pain the families and the trauma the survivors
are going through.

Re:This isn't even funny... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309723)

You don't seem to understand. The Westboro 'Baptist Church' is not a religious organization. All of the members are lawyers, doing this shit so that when someone acts out against them they can sue.

Re:This isn't even funny... (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 2 years ago | (#42309735)

Even unreasonable Christians already want nothing to do with them. I don't think there's anyone outside the WBC who actually thinks the religion aspect of the church is anything more than an excuse to pull crap like this.

Re:This isn't even funny... (5, Informative)

FSWKU (551325) | about 2 years ago | (#42309739)

I've always held that anyone is free to speak their mind, even if I don't agree with what they're saying.

If Westboro Baptist Church was really planning to interfere with the tragedy that has happened at Newtown, they've sunk to a level so low that no reasonable Christian should want anything to do with them. Scum.

This is too far. I don't want to say any more to further dirty the pain the families and the trauma the survivors are going through.

I think you'll find that most reasonable Christians DON'T want anything to do with these clowns. A lot of people in my church are VERY conservative, and even they are appalled anytime one of the WBC crazies opens their mouth. Small sample size, yes. But I've found it to be true in other locations as well.

Re:This isn't even funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309807)

No Christian does - because what WBC do is so UnChristian that it's clearly a mob of demons at work.

Re:This isn't even funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309849)

The lower they sink, the more their message falls on deaf ears.

Where is the link to the hacked site? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309649)

Linkfarming is shit, give us the direct link PLEASE.

Re:Where is the link to the hacked site? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309685)

Inferring from the message sent to Inquisitr, godhatesfags.com was hacked at 4AM. It has probably been fixed already.

Re:Where is the link to the hacked site? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309827)

Right... so who's got a link to a copy of the defaced site? ;)

Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309663)

Why don't they just set up a "free speech zone" for them?

Streisand Effect (4, Insightful)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about 2 years ago | (#42309665)

Westboro Baptist Church wins. Anonymous and Slashdot brings more attention to hate group

Christian terrorists (4, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | about 2 years ago | (#42309667)

I know that everyone says this is just one family, and not representative of Baptists. OTOH I have seen the control that Baptists can exert, even with unaffiliated churches. For instance several years ago a local baptist church wanted to engage more fully with homosexuals. The local baptists made life sufficiently difficult that it became easier to just drop the word baptist from the church mane. I wonder why the same is not done for Wesboro

I also wonder how many baptist churches preach against what this church is doing. I mean if a muslim goes out a does something, and every other muslim leader does not immediately condemn the behavior, then all the christians go and condemn all the muslims. So is turnabout fair play?

I would hope that they find the peace of the almighty and work for peace and acceptance that one's faith is not diminished just because others disagree. We have twenty kids dead because we can't just be peaceful and accepting. Now they want to make it worse.

God must be dead . . . (3, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 years ago | (#42309669)

. . . if they're alive.

Re:God must be dead . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309733)

That these children are massacred and the Westboro people are still alive. Proof enough for me that there is no God.

I say "Fuck your wager, Pascal, and fuck you too."

Re:God must be dead . . . (0)

MokuMokuRyoushi (1701196) | about 2 years ago | (#42309769)

They're not alive. Romans 8:6 " For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the spirit is life and peace." I don't see any life or peace coming out of Westboro.

lawsuits (2, Insightful)

slothman32 (629113) | about 2 years ago | (#42309675)

I think they are horrible but I am glad they won many of their lawsuits.
Even though most people, including me, disagree with their opinions that should still be able to picket and print whatever stuff they want.

Re:lawsuits (1)

metlin (258108) | about 2 years ago | (#42309873)

The video of that entire exchange is hilarious. [huffingtonpost.com]

That woman is a hate monger and a bigot, and all I can say is that it couldn't have happened to anyone worse.

Re:lawsuits (5, Insightful)

cdrudge (68377) | about 2 years ago | (#42309979)

Even though most people, including me, disagree with their opinions that should still be able to picket and print whatever stuff they want.

Whatever they want? At what point does it cross over from them exercising their freedom of speech to infringing on others rights not to give a fuck, to feel safe, or not to be harassed? Even with freedoms, there are limits to how far those freedoms extend.

In real time, on air. (5, Informative)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | about 2 years ago | (#42309679)

You didn't mention that thay hacked their website in real time, during a live radio interview [huffingtonpost.com] . Now, that's an achievement.

Re:In real time, on air. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309801)

Neither parent nor moderator bothered to read TFA, which has this very link. Sheesh...

Re:In real time, on air. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309897)

New here, you must be. Hrmm?

Anonymous Commie Scum! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309717)

If course the WBC are mentally deranged idiots, but they do have a (negative) Right [wikipedia.org] to unlimited Free Speech [freestateproject.org] , including their Web-site. Whether hacking constitutes aggression is a complicated discussion, but the Anontards' intent was clear and despicable! At least the WBC has the balls to drivel in the open, rather than hiding behind masks!

The harm that the WBC does is limited to annoyance, and can be further restricted on the basis of Property Rights - they cannot go where they're not wanted. The Anontards, on the other hand, have no respect for anyone's Rights.

--libman

Re:Anonymous Commie Scum! (3, Interesting)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42309845)

<quote><p>If course the WBC are mentally deranged idiots, but they do have a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights">(negative) Right</a> to <a href="http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23119">unlimited Free Speech</a>, including their Web-site. Whether hacking constitutes aggression is a complicated discussion, but the Anontards' intent was clear and despicable! At least the WBC has the balls to drivel in the open, rather than hiding behind masks!</p><p>The harm that the WBC does is limited to annoyance, and can be further restricted on the basis of Property Rights - they cannot go where they're not wanted. The Anontards, on the other hand, have no respect for anyone's Rights.</p><p>--libman</p></quote>

posted as the "Anonymous Coward".

The irony is killing me. Not only do you hide behind the "anonymous" title like they do, you ultimately got it the same way.
  Postinging in a threaded message board and not choosing to use a name.

Where are the lions? (1)

kawabago (551139) | about 2 years ago | (#42309737)

When you need to feed them!

Where Are the Zombies?! (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about 2 years ago | (#42309755)

I can't image Westboro Baptis [huffingtonpost.com] being a viable food source.

low hanging fruit.... (1)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42309777)

ruhbarb ruhbarb......

That's exactly what the want you to do (-1, Troll)

gelfling (6534) | about 2 years ago | (#42309793)

That's why each and every one of them should be killed. Exterminate the lot of them, every last one.

Them assholes deserve it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309821)

Them assholes deserve it!

Hacked? (1)

Rougement (975188) | about 2 years ago | (#42309839)

Shame those bastards weren't literally hacked.

Hate is hate (2)

devforhire (2658537) | about 2 years ago | (#42309857)

I think the Westboro Church is a bunch of insensitive asshole douche bags, however I don't think the answer is to form hate groups against the hate groups.

Don't Feed the Trolls (3, Informative)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 2 years ago | (#42309883)

Someone should of told Anonymous that it is never a good idea to feed the trolls.
WBC thrives on negative attention and hate.

I bet it feels good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309893)

Nothing feels as good as the self-righteous trampling the rights and inflicting harm upon their wicked brothers.

After some further reading... (5, Informative)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42309933)

After some further reading the dispute is a little more complex.

aparantly someone had earlier hacked the WBC, claiming to be anonymous, but it really wasn't.

Anonymous refuted, and even apologized, and tried to explain this to WBC. WBC, didn't want to back down, and kept talking smack to anonymous, and kept provoking anonymous.

Today WBC found out what happened when you kick a sleeping bear.

They were not silenced for the speech, and the WBC does not "win", and this has nothing to do with their ongoing campaign against everything for tollerating gays.

This his what happens when the sped kid keeps picking a fight with the biggest kid in class, and he finally runs out of patience.

Just in case anyone missed it. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42309973)

The post was taken down earlier. But just in case anyone missed it and was curious, here's the list: Westboro Membership List. updated October 22, 2012. Westboro Baptist Church 3701 SW 12th St Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-273-0325 Email: wbclist@speakfree.net Email: info@phelpschartered.com Email: chockenbarger@cox.net http://www.godhatesfags.com/ [godhatesfags.com] Phelps Law Firm Phelps Chartered 1414 SW Topeka Boulevard Topeka, KS 66612 PO Box 1886 Topeka, KS 66601 Phone: 785-233-4162 Fax: 785-233-0766 Fax: 785-969-9017 Email: info@phelpschartered.com Email: slpr@cox.net Email: kjhoffice@speakfree.net http://www.phelpschartered.com/ [phelpschartered.com] — Abigail Phelps Lawyer Employee at SRS – Kansas Juvenile Justice Authority Born 1968 Daughter of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr 3636 SW Churchill Topeka, KS 66604 Email: bgail@speakfree.net Home: 785-273-7262 work: 785-296-7709 — Barak Phelps-Davis Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Son of Rebekah Phelps-Davis — Benaiah Phelps Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Son of Timothy “Tim/Timmy” B. Phelps — Benjamin C. Phelps Born 1976 Son of Fred W. Phelps, Jr Wife of Mara Jones-Phelps 3632 SW Churchill Topeka, KS 66604 3636 SW Huntoon St Topeka, KS 66604 Email: idontreadthisemail@godhatesamerica.com Phone: 785-228-9239 Home: 785-233-4162 Phone: 785-228-9239 Phone: 785-273-0277 Phone: 785-273-1080 — Betty Joan Schurle-Phelps Lawyer at Phelps Chartered Born 1952 Wife of Fred W. Phelps, Jr 3600 SW Holly Lane Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-273-0438 Home: 785-272-4135 Work: 785-296-3195 — Brent D. Roper-Phelps Human Resources Lawyer for NAIC Employee at Foot Locker Born 1963 Husband of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper 3640 SW Churchill Topeka, KS 66604 3636 SW Churchill Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-273-0277 Phone: 785-273-7262 Phone: 785-273-1080 Phone: 785-273-3726 Home: 785-273-1445 Home: 785-273-0277 Home: 785-272-1619 Home: 785-273-0325 Home: 785-273-0325 Work: 785-233-4162 Work: 785-273-0068 — Caleb Phelps Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Son of Timothy “Tim/Timmy” B. Phelps — Charles F. Hockenbarger Born 1974 Son of Karl D. Hockenbarger Husband of Rachel I. Phelps-Hockenbarger 1284 SW Hillsdale Topeka, KS 66604 3220 SW 17th St Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-232-1570 Phone: 785-232-2485 Home: 785-271-1619 Work: 785-273-0325 — Charles William “Bill” Hockenbarger Member of Christian Identity Born 1953 Husband of Mary Hockenbarger 711 NW Page Topeka, KS 66617 3600 SW Holly Ln Topeka, KS 66604 Email: chockenbarger@cox.net Phone: 785-272-8569 Phone: 785-232-2485 Home: 785-246-1567 Work: 785-273-0325 Fax: 785-233-4162 — Chris Davis-Phelps Born 1955 Husband of Rebekah Phelps-Davis 1216 SW Cambridge Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-272-7035 Home: 785-272-7741 — Danielle Phelps Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Daughter of Timothy “Tim/Timmy” B. Phelps 3119 SW Randolph Ave #204 Topeka, KS 66611 Phone: 785-267-3253 — David Hockenbarger Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Karl D. Hockenbarger — Davis R. Phelps Relative of Chris Davis-Phelps 1216 SW Cambridge Ave Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-272-7741 Phone: 785-272-7035 — Deborah Kay Hockenbarger Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Wife of Karl D. Hockenbarger 1929 SW Lane Topeka, KS 66604 Home: 913-233-1848 Work: 785-296-3959 — Deborah Phelps-Davis Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Daughter of Rebekah Phelps-Davis — Elisha Phelps Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Daughter of Timothy “Tim/Timmy” B. Phelps — Elizabeth “Libby” Phelps Born ~ 1982-3-4 Daughter of Fred W. Phelps, Jr 2001 SW 2nd Street Topeka, KS 66606 Home: 785-234-9694 Work: 785-233-0822 — Elizabeth Marie Phelps Born 1962 Lawyer at Phelps Chartered Manager at Sheltered Living, Inc Daughter of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr 2001 SW 2nd Street Topeka, KS 66606 Home: 785-234-9694 Work: 785-233-0822 — Fred W. Phelps, Jr Lawyer at Phelps Chartered Staff Attorney for Kansas Department of Corrections Born 1953 Son of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr Wife of Betty Joan Schurle-Phelps 3600 SW Holly Lane Topeka, KS 66604 Email: fredjr@godhatesfags.com Phone: 785-273-0438 Home: 785-273-0529 Work: 785-296-3195 — Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr Founder of Westboro Baptist Church Pastor of Westboro Baptist Church Born 1929 Husband of Margerie “Margie” M. Simms Westboro Baptist Church 3791 SW 12th Street Topeka, KS 66604 Po Box 1886 Topeka, KS 66601 Email: wbclist@speakfree.net Email: info@phelpschartered.com Phone: 785-272-4135 Phone: 785-273-0325 Phone: 785-273-0338 Fax: 785-273-9228 — Gabriel Phelps-Roper Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper — George Stutzman Born ~ 1950s/1960s Fiance of Taylor Drain — Gideon Hockenbarger Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Son of Charles F. Hockenbarger Son of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger — Grace Phelps-Roper Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Daughter of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper — Hezekiah Phelps Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Son of Timothy “Tim/Timmy” B. Phelps — Isaiah Phelps-Roper Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper — Jack Wu Born ~ 1982-83-84 Westboro Baptist Member 12400 W 161st St Olathe, KS 66062 Home: 913-897-0607 — Jacob M. Phelps Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Jonathan Baxter Phelps — Jacob Z. Phelps Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Fred W. Phelps, Jr — Jael Phelps Nursing Student Born ~ 1984-5-6 Daughter of Jonathan Baxter Phelps — James Hockenbarger Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Karl D. Hockenbarger 1929 SW Lane Topeka, KS 66604 Home: 913-233-1848 Work: 785-296-3959 — Jennifer Hockenbarger Born 1977 Daughter of Karl D. Hockenbarger Wife of Samuel Phelps-Roper 1929 SW Lane Topeka, KS 66604 Home: 913-233-1848 Work: 785-296-3959 — Jonah Phelps-Roper Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper — Jonathan Baxter Phelps Lawyer at Phelps Chartered Son of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr Husband of Paulette Phelps-Ossiander Born 1959 840 SW Watson Topeka, KS 66606 Work: 785-233-4162 — Joseph Phelps Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Jonathan Baxter Phelps — Joshua F. Phelps-Roper Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper — Joshua M. Phelps Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Jonathan Baxter Phelps — Josaiah Hockenbarger Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Son of Charles F. Hockenbarger Son of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger — Karl D. Hockenbarger Member of Christian Identity Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Charles William “Bill” Hockenbarger Husband of Deborah Kay Hockenbarger 1929 SW Lane Topeka, KS 66604 Home: 913-233-1848 Work: 785-296-3959 — Katherine Hockenbarger Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Daughter of Karl D. Hockenbarger 3642 SW Huntoon St Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-783-7217 — Lauren Drain Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Daughter of Stephen “Steve” Drain — LeAnn Phelps-Brown Lawyer Employee of Shawnee County Sheriff’s Department Born 1966 Wife of Timothy “Tim/Timmy” B. Phelps 3743 SW 12th Street Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-273-0365 Home: 785-273-4780 Work: 785-291-5100 Work: 785-233-4162 — Luci Drain Born ~ 1950s Daughter of Stephen “Steve” Drain — Luke Phelps-Roper Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper — Lydia Phelps-Davis Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Daughter of Rebekah Phelps-Davis — Malachai Phelps Born 2005 Great-Grandson of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr — Mara Jones-Phelps Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Wife of Fred W. Phelps, Jr 3120 SW Westover Rd Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-235-6999 — Margerie “Margie” Marie Simms-Phelps Born ~ 1930s Wife of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr Westboro Baptist Church 3701 SW 12th Street Topeka, KS 66604 Email: wbclist@speakfree.net Email: info@phelpschartered.com Phone: 785-273-0325 Phone: 785-273-0338 Fax: 785-273-9228 — Margie Jean Phelps Lawyer at Phelps Chartered Employee of Kansas Department of Corrections Born 1956 Daughter of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr 3734 SW 12th Topeka, KS 66604 Landon State Office Building 900 Topeka, KS 66612 Email: margiep77@cox.net Phone: 785-273-0365 Home: 785-273-7380 Work: 785-296-3128 Work: 785-296-3317 — Margy “Margie”/”Megan” Phelps-Roper Born ~ 1985-6-7 Daughter of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper — Mary Hockenbarger Child Care Provider Born ~ 1950s Wife of Charles William “Bill” Hockenbarger 711 NW Page Topeka, KS 66617 Email: chockenbarger@cox.net Home: 785-246-1567 — Micaiah Phelps-Davis Born ~ 1991-2-3 Son of Rebekah Phelps-Davis — Noah Phelps-Roper Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper — Paulette Phelps-Ossiander Office Assistant at Phelps Chartered Born 1960 Wife of Jonathan Baxter Phelps 840 SW Watson Topeka, KS 66606 Work: 785-233-4162 — Rachel Hockenbarger Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Daughter of Charles F. Hockenbarger Daughter of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger 3600 SW Holly Ln Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-272-8569 Phone: 785-272-8559 — Rachel I. Phelps-Hockenbarger Lawyer at Phelps Chartered YMCA Fitness Instructor Born 1965 Daughter of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr Wife of Charles F. Hockenbarger 1284 SW Hillsdale Topeka, KS 66604 3734 SW 12th St Topeka, KS 66604 1216 SW Cambridge Ave Topeka, KS 66604 3220 SW 17th St Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-232-1570 Phone: 785-273-0365 Phone: 785-272-7035 Home: 785-271-1619 — Rebekah Phelps-Davis Lawyer at Phelps Chartered Born 1961 Daughter of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr Wife of Chris Davis 1216 SW Cambridge Topeka, KS 66604 Home: 785-272-7741 — Rebekah Phelps-Roper Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Daughter of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper 1205 SW Polk St #5B Topeka, KS 66612 Phone: 785-783-3722 — Samuel Phelps-Roper Born 1979 Son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper Husband of Jennifer Hockenbarger 3640 SW Churchill Topeka, KS 66604 3708 SW Churchill Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-228-9287 Phone: 785-273-1080 Home: 785-273-1445 Home: 785-273-0277 Home: 785-272-1619 Home: 785-273-0325 Home: 785-273-0277 Home: 785-273-0325 Work: 785-233-4162 Work: 785-273-0068 — Sara Phelps Born ~ 1980-1-2 Daughter of Fred W. Phelps, Jr 3600 SW Holly Ln Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-0273-0438 — Seth Phelps Born ~ 2003-4-5 Great-Grandson of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr — Sharon M. Phelps Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Grand-Daughter of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr 4128 SW 6th Ave #308 Topeka, KS 66606 Phone: 785-228-9323 — Shirley Phelps Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Daughter of Timothy “Tim/Timmy” B. Phelps — Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper Lawyer at Phelps Chartered Born Oct. 10, 1957 Daughter of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr Wife of Brent D. Roper 3640 SW Churchilll Topeka, KS 66604 Email: slpr@cox.net Email: kjhoffice@speakfree.net Email: th8asluf@godhatesamerica.com Email: brid1611kjv@bellsouth.net Email: info@phelpschartered.com Phone: 785-273-1080 Phone: 785-272-8559 Home: 785-273-1445 Home: 785-273-0277 Home: 785-272-1619 Home: 785-273-0325 Home: 785-273-0277 Home: 785-273-0325 Work: 785-233-4162 Work: 785-273-0068 — Stephen “Steve” Drain Born ~ 1950s Husband of Luci Drain 3801 SW 12th St Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-228-1623 — Stephen Hockenbarger Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Son of Charles F. Hockenbarger Son of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger — Taylor Drain Born ~ 1991-2-3 Daughter of Stephen “Steve” Drain Fiance of George Stutzman — Theresa Davis Born ~ 1950s/1960s Family Member of Chris Davis 3632 SW 12th Street Topeka, KS 66604 Work: 785-291-7000 Timothy “Tim”/”Timmy” B. Phelps Lawyer Employee of Shawnee County Department of Corrections Born 1963 Son of Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr Husband of LeAnn Phelps-Brown 3743 SW 12th Street Topeka, KS 66604 Phone: 785-273-0365 Home: 785-273-4780 Work: 785-291-5100 Work: 785-233-4162 Timothy Phelps Jr Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Son of Timothy “Tim/Timmy” B. Phelps Victoria Phelps Born ~ Mid-1980s/Mid-1990s Daughter of Timothy “Tim/Timmy” B. Phelps Zacharias Phelps-Roper Born ~ Mid-1970s/Mid-1980s Son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper Domain WhoIs Information: godhatesfags.com westborobaptistchurch.com beastobama.com godhatestheworld.com godhatesamerica.com priestsrapeboys.com blogs.sparenot.com jewskilledjesus.com signmovies.com godhatesislam.com godhatesthemedia.com Registrant: Westboro Baptist Church PO BOX 1886 Topeka, KS 66601-1886 US 785-233-4162
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