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Dell Gives Android the Boot, Boots Up More Windows 8

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the thinking-different dept.

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hugheseyau writes "Dell vice chairman Jeff Clarke made a less than shocking announcement at this year's Dell World Conference in Austin. The company is officially giving up on Android phones and tablets. ... So if Dell is giving up on Android, what comes next? The company claims it's doubling down on Windows 8, and the enterprise market."

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This is irrelevant (0)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | about 2 years ago | (#42310743)

All these computers are caused by corporate greed for more of my attention since I am a celebrity and they crave face-time. Well listen up chumps: my face belongs to me and only to a llama, so get your fucking phone out of my face or I will spit llama cuds at you.

Correction: It will be irrelevant: (4, Informative)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 2 years ago | (#42310797)

It's not like Dell hasn't wandered into markets before and failed miserably [wikipedia.org]

Of course sometimes they just don't know when to quit [dell.com] .

Eventually, they'll get the hint and just focus on making servers and business workstations...

Re:Correction: It will be irrelevant: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310843)

It's not like Dell hasn't wandered into markets before and failed miserably [wikipedia.org]

Of course sometimes they just don't know when to quit [dell.com] .

Eventually, they'll get the hint and just focus on making servers and business workstations...

Fat chicks: the only thing less desirable than Dell products!

Re:Correction: It will be irrelevant: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310997)

Fat chicks: the only thing less desirable than Dell products!

There are a *LOT* of Black dudes that love the full-figured lady. Especially the big ass. YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE!

Re:Correction: It will be irrelevant: (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 2 years ago | (#42311311)

more proof for the Judge Idiocracy Theorem.

Re:Correction: It will be irrelevant: (5, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#42310855)

Eventually, they'll get the hint...

By the time they got the hint, the marketplace would have pulled out the rug out from under their feet ...
 
See what happened to HP or Nokia, or Kodak?

Re:Correction: It will be irrelevant: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310919)

Or just about every big company, really.

You comment is invalid. (1)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | about 2 years ago | (#42310897)

It fails to respext my essence of llama-being. Privileged white cisgender straight right handed men often try to act like llamas don't exist or that we don't have a voice but you will be subject to the community accountability process and feminist llama power.

Crap!! (2, Funny)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42310935)

And I was just about to buy a thousand Dell "Streak" Android Tablets to be the backbone of my business for the next 10 years. I mean - who could pass up on "America's First 4G 7-Inch Tablet"???

Where are the editors? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310745)

The company claims its

The company claims it's

Re:Where are the editors? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311101)

Where are the editors?

Up your ass, faggot.

good luck with that (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310751)

Windows 8 and Server 2012 are far from "enterprise" they are basically toys. And don't even get me started on RT, RT is a hunk of junk, you'd think its a Microsoft product so you can at least join it to your Microsoft Active Directory domain to help centrally manage at some basic level, I won't even go so far as to ask for a little Group Policy.

Re:good luck with that (5, Interesting)

dagamer34 (1012833) | about 2 years ago | (#42310811)

Uhh.. the reason those features don't exist is to clearly push those kinds of customers towards Windows 8 Pro. It's the same reason why Office RT doesn't have Outlook. Microsoft doesn't want Windows RT to be used in enterprise and there are plenty of clues as to why not.

Re:good luck with that (1)

TWX (665546) | about 2 years ago | (#42310991)

I once managed to get Windows NT Small Business Server to function as a backup domain controller, so I'd bet that there are ways of making RT do things that have been disabled in it... *grin*

Re:good luck with that (3, Insightful)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about 2 years ago | (#42311079)

I've done similar things in the past. The difference here is RT is not an x86 platform. In the past the features were just disabled. In this case they were never there.

Re:good luck with that (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 2 years ago | (#42311003)

Microsoft doesn't want Windows RT to be used in enterprise and there are plenty of clues as to why not.

I wouldn't think that getting people to not use it would be a problem... Or a goal, for that matter...

Re:good luck with that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311095)

It isn't very clear what point you're making. Are you agreeing that it's a " hunk of junk" but saying that that's okay because its deliberately a hunk of junk? I Could understand excusing it on the basis that it is actually good enough for some purposes but not on the basis that they just made it crap so you'd buy something else - in that case crap is still crap.

Re:good luck with that (2, Interesting)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 2 years ago | (#42311177)

I actually had really high, well higher hopes, for WinRT... The consistency of windows APIs without all the debt... .Net code pretty much just works (at least the backend code)... Honestly, I was kind of hoping to see some 32-64 core ARM based systems for servers, running a lighter version of windows, for web servers... Actually, not all that tied to Windows. Working on migrating portions of the site at work to using MongoDB + Node.js as an API backend server... that can run on just about anything.. for now it is on Windows, but will probably migrate.

Re:good luck with that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311275)

They aren't "giving up" on Android, they just realized they can make more money foisting WindBlowz 8 on an unsuspecting populace. There's a wider profit margin when you can pretend that the reason it costs more is that you have to send money to Misrosoft, and jack the price up a little higher.

Why else would someone give up on something free, and popular, that's more secure and actually works, for some shit you have to pay for, is less secure, and doesn't work. Misrosoft. What a joke.

Re:good luck with that (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311437)

Why else would someone give up on something free, and popular

Because it's not free at all, not in cost and not in freedom. You also need to be part of the OHA to have any chance at releasing anything current to be competitive.

that's more secure and actually works

bahahahahaha! There's a new critical exploit for the Android distro of LinSux every day, no wonder all the marketplaces for it are full of malware!

for some shit you have to pay for

Only the ignorant or naive think Android is free, you need development team just to get it working on your hardware and even then it still runs like shit, why can't they make Android smooth? Project Butter turned out more like Project Butt, a failure.

Android. What a joke.

Re:good luck with that (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311485)

Another fascinating insight from a frustrated WinTard using a dying POS OS.

Re:good luck with that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311417)

It's the same reason why Office RT doesn't have Outlook.

Because it has a built mail, calendar and contact management apps.

Re:good luck with that (5, Interesting)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 2 years ago | (#42310967)

Windows 8 and Server 2012 are far from "enterprise" they are basically toys.

Agreed. It seems the purpose of Windows 8 is to provide a consumer-oriented environment conducive to buying content such as music, movies, books, etc like on the iPad and other tablets and smartphones. To date, the only things I've seen people doing with Windows 8 systems in commercials is playing movies, games, finger painting, Skype, "clicking, clicking, clicking," sliding and (often angry) dancing. No one's using the thing for any actual work...

Re:good luck with that (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311167)

To date, the only things I've seen people doing with Windows 8 systems in commercials is playing movies, games, finger painting, Skype, "clicking, clicking, clicking," sliding and (often angry) dancing. No one's using the thing for any actual work...

Well, sure... in commercials. But in the real world no one's using the thing at all.

Re:good luck with that (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311403)

Yes, because a commercial that shows a tired sysadmin plugging away at powershell is sure to sell copies of Win8!

"OH SHIT SON! That series of piped commands to remove a set of Hyper-V VM network adapters is OFF THE CHAIN!" "Look at these sexy parameters to AD powershell scripts, these guys are able to dance AND admin their azure subscriptions at the SAME TIME!"

Re:good luck with that (4, Informative)

smash (1351) | about 2 years ago | (#42311219)

You have actually worked in the real world, yes? Windows servers are far from toys and are in use in plenty of enterprises the world over.

Re:good luck with that (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311255)

Um... Windows Server 2012 is as "enterprise" as they come. A quick example:

Deduplication (although it is passive and not on the fly deduping like EMC.)

Checksums/CRCs to guard against corruption. This is in ReFS, not NTFS. Linux has no production-level filesystem that can do this.

Bitlocker + TPM. No other OS has hardware protection against tampering.

Dynamic LVMs. Linux's LVM is a joke.

Logging, policies, and so on which are needed for anything bigger than the guy in his basement: Linux doesn't offer this, Windows does via GPOs. This is important come audit time, and the auditors are there.

Signed executables (AppLocker): Windows has it, Linux doesn't.

Please name me a feature that Linux has that Windows doesn't that is useful on the enterprise level.

Be careful when you say no other! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311451)

Because what Microsoft is doing now with there O.S., IBM was doing over twenty-five years ago. You can thank Microsoft and its buggy Operating Systems for the theft of trillions of dollars worth I.P. from U.S. companies. Enterprise level is hardware and software, and INTEL just started making enterprise level cpu's, what one years ago, and Itanium doesn't count.

Re:good luck with that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311317)

When was that ever not true? Windows by definition was a toy OS. It never had any acceptable level of scripting, modularity, modifiability, configurability or useful concepts like everything being a file.

I run it by selecting: "K -> Games -> Windows" ;)

Re:good luck with that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311475)

Windows by definition was a toy OS.

you've got it backwards, Linux by definition is a toy OS, it was and is a hobby operating system, it's open source for tinkerers to play with.

Re:good luck with that (1, Troll)

bloodhawk (813939) | about 2 years ago | (#42311375)

I will give you windows 8. But Server 2012 is basically completely built around enterprise and while win 8 will probably be a failure in the enterprise, server 2012 will be a huge success with many large functionality upgrades.

Re:Touch can't keep up with demand (0)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#42311447)

Server 2012 is fucking awesome. As a server I do not give a crap over if it has a metro start screen instead of a start button. It is not a desktop where you stare at it all day. It is a decent upgrade from Server 2008.

All the major retailers say they can not keep up with demand on touch devices with Windows 8! It is flying off the shelves for these users who are used to their phones regardless of what slashdotters say.

Neowin.net, zdnet.com, and even Tomshardware are running stories.

True Windows 8 is not fit for geeks or for traditional power users and sells crappy on such legacy systems, but devices such as Lennovo's flipscreen can not keep up with demand.

FYI you can get group policies with AD fine with the surface. You get them through active sync when you log in with an Exchange 2013 account. The other stuff for AD is not worthy as it is static and not dynamic nor designed for the mobile needs of devices that change networks all the time.

Bye Dell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310763)

It's been nice knowing you. Say hi to Nokia and Ericsson when you hit bottom.

Market changing? Not competing successfully? (5, Insightful)

kawabago (551139) | about 2 years ago | (#42310771)

Customers disappearing? It's time to turn back the clock and go back to what made your name in the first place. If you're a restaurant, it's a great idea. If you're a technology company, it's suicide. Bye Dell, it was nice while you lasted!

Re:Market changing? Not competing successfully? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311031)

Time to invest in Dell. If I've learned anything over the years of coming here it's that Slashdots are the most inept people at business trends. Not to say it can't happen but according to the consensus around here I should be able to buy a decent PC with Linux pre-installed at Best Buy and the iPod would be a failure.
 
Better luck next time.

Re:Market changing? Not competing successfully? (2, Interesting)

elashish14 (1302231) | about 2 years ago | (#42311055)

Hey, at least they're not going the way of SCO, Nokia, Ericsson, and dare I say it, Apple by just suing people left and right as they slowly cease to produce anything of value in their industry. They're still trying to innovate their way out of their troubles. They should be given a medal, not under normal circumstances, but when you compare to their corporate peers...

Re:Market changing? Not competing successfully? (0)

foniksonik (573572) | about 2 years ago | (#42311287)

This is a publicly held corporation. They are contractually obligated to do what is in the best interests of their shareholders (within the legal limits). If a series of lawsuits were in line with that charter then that is what they should be doing. What's more likely is that Dell does not hold any relevant patents to the smartphone and tablet domain.

Re:Market changing? Not competing successfully? (2)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#42311489)

Nokia, Ericsson, and dare I say it, Apple

snip

cease to produce anything of value in their industry

Bullshit. In the case of Apple sure it's often software and may be more or less easy to come up with but obviously it "got value" for the industry even in that case. Both for Apple and for the opponents.

Nokia and Ericsson likely still come up with new things and have made innovated others with research done from their own pockets so nothing weird with that (though you could argue they did that to earn money back then selling their products and already have. But obviously it cost more to do research than not doing it and if someone can just steal your work in that area then that become pretty unfair.

I doubt any of Nokia, Ericsson or Apple has given up on future products either.

Re:Market changing? Not competing successfully? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311273)

Then again, in the restaurant business, nobody would manage to sell dog food mixed with vomit to 95% of the customers in the first place.

Re:Market changing? Not competing successfully? (4, Funny)

gmhowell (26755) | about 2 years ago | (#42311453)

Then again, in the restaurant business, nobody would manage to sell dog food mixed with vomit to 95% of the customers in the first place.

Umm, the McRib IS due for a return later today, smartass.

Re:Market changing? Not competing successfully? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311363)

HP will die much sooner.

Another company bets the boat on Windows (1, Troll)

Nyder (754090) | about 2 years ago | (#42310777)

Will Dell go the way Noika has? Time will tell.

As I've said for years, friends (family) doesn't let friends (family) buy Dell.

Re:Another company bets the boat on Windows (2)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 2 years ago | (#42310859)

Except dell is migrating into an enterprise solutions business. Their consumer product business is somewhat secondary to their business software.

Re:Another company bets the boat on Windows (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 2 years ago | (#42310913)

exactly, and their cutthoat pricing for enterprise customers doesnt help ... I didnt want the dell laptop issued to me, but for 499$ its a nice little fucker, huge drive, gobs of ram, decent screen, and when the roof leaked on it, leaving it in a puddle of water, a good dryout time and its been working fine for months.

cheap, powerful tank ... its hard to argue with

Re:Another company bets the boat on Windows (1)

HCase (533294) | about 2 years ago | (#42311155)

So it was a reasonably priced, fairly power tank... Why was it that you didn't you want it? I'm honestly wondering. (lack of cool factor, you didn't think it was going to be the little tank that it was, some feature you still miss it having?)

Re:Another company bets the boat on Windows (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 2 years ago | (#42311019)

Except dell is migrating into an enterprise solutions business. Their consumer product business is somewhat secondary to their business software.

Good move since the major enterprise players are going bespoke and whitebox. http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/11/amazon-google-secret-servers/ [wired.com] Ooops...

Re:Another company bets the boat on Windows (1)

HCase (533294) | about 2 years ago | (#42311181)

Those are a couple major players, but they are both top tier tech firms with far from normal data requirements and huge engineering departments. They are outliers when it comes to enterprise sales and shouldn't be used to gauge the market.

Re:Another company bets the boat on Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311313)

We're neither a 'top tier tech firm', and we don't have anything like 'far from normal data requirements' (we do have a 'huge engineering department' though - he is a rather large chap), all our Dells (bar one Windows server, and one desktop machine running Linux) are now (thankfully) out of service and in storage awaiting disposal.
The best that can be said for the Dells, they had reasonable monitors (we didn't have to purchase new ones for their replacements).
This is the second job in a decade I've had where the management finally got sick of dealing with all the crap that comes with buying into the 'Dell good' myth.

Re:Another company bets the boat on Windows (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 2 years ago | (#42311383)

Sorry... All of my clients that are doing this do not have a news article. I think the market is just starting to go that way... Call them the canaries in the coal mine.

Re:HP clueless as well (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#42311479)

HP is going down if rumors are correct that shareholder activist and raider iKahn is making his moves on shutting down HP and sellings its assets.

After that Dell will be the sole and only player left. People laugh at Dell but I would not be surprised if their share price goes up once HP is down. No one else who buys over 10 units buy from anyone else.

Dell makes some decent stuff (2)

Chirs (87576) | about 2 years ago | (#42311083)

They make some excellent monitors (the IPS panels in particular) and I have a 2yo Vostro14" that I got for a good price and is still going strong.

Re:Another company bets the boat on Windows (3, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | about 2 years ago | (#42311209)

Nokia had a hostile takeover by Microsoft, I think Dell's case is that they completely failed to enter the Android market with any sort of innovative or well marketed product. Nokia was doing just fine until they burnt their non-windows phone product lines to the ground.

Re:Another company bets the boat on Windows (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311501)

Nokia may have made a mistake with windows, but they certainly were not doing "just fine" with their non windows line, they had a rapid double digit percent declining market and could see the writing on the wall. They took a gamble (probably a bad one), but certainly no worse than sticking with what they had.

Fuck Dell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310779)

I mean seriously, they suck. Their products suck. Their goal is never to make good stuff anyway! I have been given 2 laptops from my company, both Dell, both f***ked up within 6 months. I had a Thinkpad before that for 6 years, ran with no issues. I have used Dell desktops too, always had heating issues with that one too. I just think Dell is not a company that even gives a crap about making good stuff. They just want to assemble the cheapest stuff together to make shitloads of money! In this case I am sure they got some money from Microsoft to shitcan Android and use lousy Windows 8. I hope their sales tank after this!

They have their place (5, Interesting)

TWX (665546) | about 2 years ago | (#42310983)

Their business support doesn't suck though. If you're an enterprise-level customer and have your IT staff certified through Dell's online coursework then you can do all of your warranty work in-house and they generally next-day parts to you, and they really don't make a big deal of misdiagnosed machines where you end up replacing perfectly good parts. We use mostly Optiplexes and Latitudes and keeping up with about 30,000 PCs has been possible with a paltry staff.

Personally I'm typing this on a several-year-old Lenovo Ideapad S10-2, my wife uses a Thinkpad X301, and Dad bought an Ideapad G550 based on our recommendations, so I like old-IBM/Lenovo fairly well, but I don't think that Dell is quite as bad overall as you've dealt with. I'm using an old Latitude D520 at work in the field without problems, and my Optiplex 780 workstation has handled its duties without problems.

Re:They have their place (1)

smash (1351) | about 2 years ago | (#42311229)

We gave up on dell and went to HP. Yes, the dell support is a lot better - the only problem is you need it 10-20x as often. And i'm not kidding.

Re:They have their place (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#42311497)

HP is pretty darn bad if you ask me. I find that shocking.

It is no wonder consumers have switched to Lenovo, Asus, and Samsung. A few buy HP, but I do not see people seek Dells like they did in 2003. Samsung and Asus are innovative and generally do not break unless you buy a crap model.

I guess thats the end of sputnik? (2)

MrKaos (858439) | about 2 years ago | (#42310781)

I hope not, it looks pretty good. [dell.com]

Android != Linux (3, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#42310955)

Supporting Linux *is* supporting the enterprise market. No way Dell is backing off that.

I think they may be backing of Android partly as a response to Google announcing they are dropping Exchange integration. Though that could be a coincidence.

Re:I guess thats the end of sputnik? (2)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#42311089)

Dell will just rename it Kwangmyongsong.

And why? (5, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | about 2 years ago | (#42310821)

So why dump Android? According to Clarke, “It’s a content play with Android”. “Amazon is selling books and Google is making it up with search.

So, basically, there was competent competition, and Dell's me-toosim wasn't cutting it.

Re:And why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311325)

He also fails to mention Samsung, who is making bonkers amounts of money off of Android devices - the devices themselves, not content.

For those who didn't notice (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310823)

Dell made an Android tablet, known as the Dell Streak, it was not a success. Expensive, crap screen, underpowered, cheapy feeling.

So now they're switching to Windows 8, with their expensive underpowered crap screens, cheap feeling tablets, THEY'RE SURE TO BE HUGELY SUCCESSFUL!!!

Methinks they're not fixing the real problem. Android sell in bucket loads and if they couldn't sell a tablet with it, then they needed to refine their tablet designs till they did sell. Change Android for Windows 8, doesn't fix their problems, it just adds another one: no touch apps.

Re:For those who didn't notice (4, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about 2 years ago | (#42310887)

And for those who did not notice, Dell exists only because MS has made it so. Dell cow tows to the shrine of MS, keeps it own margins and quality low so that MS can rake in the cash, while assuming the risk of inventory so that MS does not have to.

Is anyone surprised that Dell is jumping on the MS Surface bandwagon.

Re:For those who didn't notice (3, Insightful)

Genda (560240) | about 2 years ago | (#42311283)

Actually I'm guessing someone on the M$ board called up someone on the Dell board and informed them they're now going to now assume the position or pay the price, and keep paying. Dell blinked and now to paraphrase Lewis Black, they had to put on a dress, lipstick, a little eye shadow, some glitter and now they're giving sailors blow jobs. And that... is the future of Dell.

There are no more "Enterprise" phones and tablets (4, Interesting)

acoustix (123925) | about 2 years ago | (#42310857)

It's all going BYOD. As much as I hate it, its all going BYOD. Bad move, Dell.

Even RIM, which is based on the enterprise, is changing.

Re:There are no more "Enterprise" phones and table (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310949)

BYOD is the easiest way to get the company IT resources screwed, though.

Re:There are no more "Enterprise" phones and table (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 2 years ago | (#42311025)

Yeah, but stopping it is like fighting the tide...

Re:There are no more "Enterprise" phones and table (3, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | about 2 years ago | (#42311123)

It's all going BYOD. As much as I hate it, its all going BYOD. Bad move, Dell.

I really doubt that, a few high-profile incidents where BYOD caused big losses and that idea will die a quick death, not that it was ever alive in many lines of business. The better question is what's the difference between a consumer and enterprise computers, except software? Nothing. My employer-issued smart phone is a regular Android phone, they've just set it up with policies like wiping itself if you enter the PIN incorrectly a few times. There's also a use agreement which says I can't let anyone else gain knowledge of the PIN or operate it - no letting your kids play on it folks - and I'm bearing the full risk of what any non-IT approved application could do to their data. It's a pretty safe bet I won't be installing any.

I'll be a cold day in hell before they go BYOD on terms that I could accept as well, doesn't even matter if we both pick the same model I'm going to have mine and theirs. But it's a pretty good chance that theirs is going to be a consumer model that I pick. I've heard much the same story with tablets, people like and want to use it but when it comes to putting business critical data on it the requirements often crash and they start looking at corporate issued tablets instead. There'll be less "You can have any color phone you want, as long as it's black" standard issue but it's always going to be trouble for one piece of hardware to have two masters.

Actually.... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 2 years ago | (#42311271)

The better question is what's the difference between a consumer and enterprise computers, except software? Nothing. My employer-issued smart phone is a regular Android phone, they've just set it up with policies like wiping itself if you enter the PIN incorrectly a few times. There's also a use agreement which says I can't let anyone else gain knowledge of the PIN or operate it - no letting your kids play on it folks - and I'm bearing the full risk of what any non-IT approved application could do to their data. It's a pretty safe bet I won't be installing any.

Actually, most smart phones are handled like enterprise models of computer systems, where the model doesn't change during its life cycle. If you buy a Galaxy III when it first came out or a year later, it is still the same hardware. Likewise, with business or enterprise computers, the manufacturer normally guarantees that each model off the line has the same hardware and component specs. On the other hand, consumer grade computers, even if they are the same model number very often have different components and component specs.

Deploying 1000 business class computers over 18 months is relatively straight forward. Once you get one set up and working as desired, you just create a base image and apply it to each one after that. On the otherhand, consumer grade need to each be set up manually as they very often require different drivers, etc., even if they arrived in the same shipment. In a small office, it doesn't make much difference, but in a medium size to large size business, it makes a huge difference.

Re:There are no more "Enterprise" phones and table (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311349)

The better question is what's the difference between a consumer and enterprise computers, except software? Nothing.

That's not true at all. Workstations with Xeon-class RAS and ECC memory are uniquely business machines, and so are lowly slim profile desktops. For servers, I hope I wouldn't have to explain, but no.. they are not all the same. You pay good money for crappy RAS, and TONS of money all the way to first born child for good RAS.

There might not be any good business class smart phones or tablets right _now_, but that doesn't mean there couldn't or shouldn't be. They would not be pretty, not nearly as popular.. you know.. sort of like the ugly slim profile desktop on your desk at work, they would be all about price over function and form.

Michael Dell on Apple (4, Insightful)

Beer_Smurf (700116) | about 2 years ago | (#42310865)

"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders,"
Michael Dell

Re:Michael Dell on Apple (2)

SpockLogic (1256972) | about 2 years ago | (#42310933)

"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders,"
  Michael Dell

Should take his own advice, HA HA HA.

Re:Michael Dell on Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311251)

I'd do that too, and also do it to Dell, Microsoft, and all of the Content Mafia (music, books, movies, software, you name it. They are tiny industries anyway. They only manage to convince everyone they are so big and important because of their cocaine-fueled egos.)

Re:Michael Dell on Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311425)

RMS, is that you?

Android made phones/tablets? (5, Insightful)

hobarrera (2008506) | about 2 years ago | (#42310873)

To me, the news is that Dell made phones/tablets. I'd never heard of them before, nor have I ever seen any.
Am I the only one here?

Yes, (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42311047)

I think I saw an ad for one once in one of those Southwest Airlines in-flight magazines. Certainly not Dell's bread-and-butter business though.

Re:Android made phones/tablets? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311137)

On a site for technically inclined people? Yes, you are probably the only one.

Re:Android made phones/tablets? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311207)

I heard, I bought an Android device called Dell Streak, I wish I had not.

Re:Android made phones/tablets? (2)

WindBourne (631190) | about 2 years ago | (#42311319)

Got a chance to play with the Dell Streak 7 for about an hour. It was a POS. Poor resolution. Poor speed. The list continues on and on and on. Since Dell has moved their manufacturing out of the nation, they have produced nothing but junk. And switching the OS to windows 8 will NOT help that trash heap. In fact, from what I have seen of win 8, things will be even slower.

Re:Android made phones/tablets? (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 2 years ago | (#42311481)

"..Poor resolution. Poor speed. The list continues..."

    Well now you can add Poor OS.

Try ThinkPenguin instead; Dell doesn't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42310895)

While ThinkPenguin doesn't sell phones or tablets (at least not at the moment) Canonical and Dell are making big errors. ThinkPenguin's taking users into consideration. There not shipping products dependent on non-free drivers/firmware/etc. This is just another example of Dell not getting it.

I have to say though that the rest of the industry doesn't get Linux either. Even those which are catering to it.

Interesting analogy... (4, Interesting)

TWX (665546) | about 2 years ago | (#42310925)

The company claims its doubling down on Windows 8

Last time I checked, gambling behavior as a primary hobby or profession wasn't considered respectable or responsible, it was considered borderline sociopathic.

If I were a stockholder I'd be worried. Technology these days seems to be about a combination of giving people what they want and convincing people of what they want. Android, to an extent, is giving people what they want, as Android is popular with users as well as with OEMs. Windows 8, by and large, does not appear to be popular, either in portable devices or on the desktop.

So, Dell is now moving to a system of neither giving people what they want, nor convincing people of what they want.

I don't think that Dell is in any danger of going Chapter 7. Where I work buys Dell just about exclusively, in a 30,000 desktop environment. The paltry sales Apple or other OEMs get is almost not worth mentioning. But, their extra markets, like phones, tablets, and other consumer devices will probably die.

I had actually wanted a Dell phone back in the day, but they weren't compatible with my cell provider. Otherwise they had the features I wanted. Pity that...

You misunderstand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311077)

They're using the KFC definition. The Dell Double Down contains bacon, two different kinds of melted cheese, Dellâ(TM)s secret sauce in between two Windows 8 devices.

Re:Interesting analogy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311097)

Har har, it's really easy to be an arm chair businessman isn't it. Dells phones and tablets had no traction. Dell needs to try something new. It's hard to race with the Koreans and Taiwanese to the bottom of the Android market.

Re:Interesting analogy... (1)

elashish14 (1302231) | about 2 years ago | (#42311183)

If I were a stockholder I'd be worried. Technology these days seems to be about a combination of giving people what they want and convincing people of what they want.

Interesting point. Back in 90s and 00s, the field was advancing at the rate that the technology improved. These days, the technical power of the devices we buy have pretty much surpassed average users' needs. Then came the ultrabook fad, which introduced new, lighter form-features and longer battery life. At this point, outside of increasing battery life and perhaps introducing more asinine screen resolutions, there isn't much more innovation to be done, and ultimately, it'll just come down to whatever catches on. But it's not really a race for technical performance and superiority, so the game becomes a lot harder to predict.

No help (5, Interesting)

giveen1 (2727899) | about 2 years ago | (#42310929)

As the only Dell Streak 7 Android developer left, it doesn't surprise me that Dell has abandoned Android. I've spent over a year trying to get them to comply with the GPL and give me the last source code for their last kernel update. Every request I have put forth has been turned down or rejected. I still try my best to keep this tablet up to date with ICS and JB, but I can only do so much without more support.

Re:No help (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 2 years ago | (#42311203)

Just finished updating my Streak5 ... great devices, too bad they thought a custom interface was the way to go.

Windows 8 + Enterprise = LOLZ (3, Insightful)

millertym (1946872) | about 2 years ago | (#42310945)

A strategy focusing on Windows 8 may work. A strategy focusing on enterprise business may work. A strategy focusing on windows 8 as enterprise software is doomed to failure. No company I know of is planning to use Windows 8 on their desk terminals. Ever. It's Windows Vista all over again for business use. That being said, I've heard some good out of touch devices and Windows 8. That is where their focus with windows 8 needs to be, or they are going to continue to tank.

Fp Troll (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311143)

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Bye Bye DELL (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311173)

Bye Bye DELL, greetings to Nokia when you meet them at the bottom.

Sorry, no Norwegian Blues for Sale... (5, Funny)

Genda (560240) | about 2 years ago | (#42311189)

Dell walks into a cheese shop, looks around poking and sniffing and suddenly a clerk (who looks vaguely like John Cleese) pops up from behind the counter!

Clerk: May I help you, Sir?

Dell: Why yes, I'd like some cheese!

Clerk: We have a lovely Apple Brie here, smooth, creamy, the customers can't seem to get enough?...

Dell: Arrghhh, No, Thank you.

Clerk: Perhaps a nice sharp Android Cheddar? Its full bodied, not as smooth as the Brie, but technically fuller?...

Dell: No, I don't want any lousy Android.

Clerk: Well then Sir, what did you have in mind?...

Dell: I'd like a great big fat slab of the Microsoft Limburger!!!

Clerk: Sir, I haven't sold any Microsoft in a fortnight, are you sure you wouldn't want something a wee bit fresher?

Dell: No, My minds made up, I want the Microsoft, and bowl of raw garlic cloves and I'll eat it here!

Clerk: Are you daft! You're going to die of indigestion and your head'll explode! Then I'll have to call a hazardous waste team to have you remains removed from the premises!

Dell: What could go wrong? As long as I finish off with a Wafer Thin Mint, I'll be fine, by the way, have you ever sold parrots?

Hahahahaha! Goodbye Dell! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311233)

Dell always was Microsoft's rather stupid lapdog.

Seems like they are also hell-bent on going down with them.

Oh well, more Linux for the world then. :)

In other words... (5, Insightful)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 2 years ago | (#42311285)

In other words, Microsoft made Dell another offer they couldn't refuse by not shipping other operating systems. It's not the first time, but with the public's acceptance of Windows 8, it could be the last.

Re:In other words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311427)

And Dell was obviously worried from the early stages that Microsoft were going to screw things up: http://bit.ly/R1slUb

So you aren't selling phones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311315)

So you aren't selling phones using the most popular platform, so you switch to selling phones on a less (much less) popular platform. Sometimes I think these companies made money by accident. I know that Dell sucks up to microsoft like a lap dog to a doggie treat, but in reality I think (if they had any good sense at all), they would expect their sales to be very small. On the other hand, if Dell throws a couple hundred million into it, they will lose a couple hundred million. I guess Dell and microsoft both think that phones and tables are PCs. You kids go hard with that.

Dell's market (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311343)

Posting as AC because I used to work for them...

I remember being on a conference call and someone asked why Dell didn't focus more on the consumer market, in light of the success of the iPhone, etc. It was clear to me from the answer that Dell doesn't take the consumer market that seriously. They see the enterprise market as being much larger and more lucrative, much like Microsoft does. So Dell will always have a presence in the consumer market, just to say that it has some offerings, but they have no intentions of trying to make a big splash there. Basically they will do whatever Microsoft tells them to do. During my time there it was the beginnings of a big push into the enterprise services market. I don't think they have made much of a dent personally but they will continue to pursue that. Tablets and phones are just a hobby for Dell...no news here.

how much (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311431)

is microsoft paying dell to dump android? considering microsoft has for years paid OEMs for windows market share on the desktop, it's not inconceivable that they'd try the same tactic with mobile devices.

frost pis7!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42311487)

What we've known *BSD is dying Yet is the group that *BSD has steadily deve7opers having lost 93%
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