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School Shooting Prompts Legislation To Study Violent Video Games

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the blame-game-will-commence dept.

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New submitter seepho writes "Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) has introduced a bill directing the National Academy of Sciences to lead an investigation to determine what impact violent video games have on children. Senator Rockefeller commented, 'Recent court decisions demonstrate that some people still do not get it. They believe that violent video games are no more dangerous to young minds than classic literature or Saturday morning cartoons. Parents, pediatricians, and psychologists know better. These court decisions show we need to do more and explore ways Congress can lay additional groundwork on this issue. This report will be a critical resource in this process.'" This legislation was prompted by reports that Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza was a gamer. A draft of the bill is available online.

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Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 2 years ago | (#42338989)

Gingrich [thinkprogress.org] :

When you have an anti-religious, secular bureaucracy and secular judiciary seeking to drive God out of public life, something fills the vacuum. And that something, you know, I don’t know that going from communion to playing war games in which you practice killing people is necessarily an improvement.

Huckabee [thinkprogress.org] :

We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we’ve systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage because we’ve made it a place where we don’t want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability?

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (5, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | about 2 years ago | (#42339001)

And they're still missing the real problem.

Adam was very clearly mentally ill. All this BS that they've got going about is just really trying to find something else to blame than the real truth of things.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339067)

His parents should be in prison. They are directly responsible because they didn't get their son the help that he needed.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339215)

And what help would that be? This country has time and time again shown that they don't want to help people with mental issues. It's treated like a dirty shame and the few people that try to help are under-funded and under-payed. In all likelihood they did try to get him help and were rebuffed at every corner. Unless you have money, no one wants to help.

videogames are like #3 or lower on that list (4, Insightful)

Thud457 (234763) | about 2 years ago | (#42339227)

Let's try to keep deadly weapons out of the hands of crazy people, hmmm?
Even the NRA shouldn't have a problem with people properly securing their firearms.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (4, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | about 2 years ago | (#42339293)

I'm fairly confident that if they study video games, they're going to disregard the results showing video games to not be a cause (as hundreds of studies have shown) and blame video games anyway.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (1, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 2 years ago | (#42339365)

No, he wasn't clearly mentally ill. I'm all for publicly funding mental health, but the only mental issue Lanza had was very high functioning autism.

It's really only apparent anything at all was "wrong" was after he slaughtered 28 people. Given that he first killed his mother, then drove elsewhere with the organized intent of killing, it's safe to say he made a conscious decision of some kind to engage in murder.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (0, Flamebait)

Derekloffin (741455) | about 2 years ago | (#42339011)

Seeing the amount of hate spewed by the so call religious right lately, I have SERIOUS doubts that is the problem.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (5, Insightful)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about 2 years ago | (#42339205)

Seeing the amount of hate spewed by the so call religious right lately, I have SERIOUS doubts that is the problem.

Just fucking stop, please. There's plenty of hate being spewed from the left, right and center. How about we all stop pointing fingers and shouting that it's "the other sides fault!" Then maybe we can all take some responsibility for the state of things and start to fix it.

Re:Hate (5, Insightful)

miltonw (892065) | about 2 years ago | (#42339261)

Yes, the religious right does that -- and the extreme left does it too. You don't have to look at only one extreme to see all the hate being generated. Your post is an example of yet another one-sided hate spewing viewpoint.

Our recent politics on all sides have generated the idea that anyone who disagrees with the One True Viewpoint is either Evil or Stupid ... or both.

A pox on all your houses.

The way to combat such stupid, ignorant hate is to stop doing it!

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (1)

the computer guy nex (916959) | about 2 years ago | (#42339049)

Seems to me like the focus of those quotes were the impacts of removing God from the education system, not necessarily the impacts of violent video games on the youth.

Disclaimer: I am not religious, however I have no issue with those who do believe.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (5, Interesting)

VickiM (920888) | about 2 years ago | (#42339101)

It's not cool to be anti-Semitic anymore. When will it finally be socially and morally reprehensible to treat atheists like this?

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (2, Insightful)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about 2 years ago | (#42339351)

Probably as soon as atheists stop talking about people who choose to follow a religion as though they're stupid misguided children, or living under a delusion, or any of the other rhetoric that gets spouted by the most vocal atheists.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339111)

Yeah, i remember when we had God in the schools. It was called the Inquisition. It was called the Salem Witch Trials. It was called large portions of the Middle East.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (5, Funny)

Intropy (2009018) | about 2 years ago | (#42339157)

You remember the inquisition? I think we got ourselves a witch here, boys.

Aren't you past this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339137)

Aren't you past karma whoring with a sub million UID?

Your comment will get a shit load of comments from the peanut gallery and you'll be mod'ed up to +5 something.

But you offer nothing. Nothing to this thread. No real facts - just comments from moronic politicians..

The fact is that no one knows why this disturbed person or any of those fucked up people really did what they did. All there is are two bit opinions from video games to assault rifles to religion to whatever the bug-a-boo the the author doesn't like.

And yet, no one can make a difference.

You know what? Shut the fuck up. And the rest of you too. Just shut the fuck up until you have data and a real solution.

Fuck you.

No Sir, I Am Not Past This (0)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 2 years ago | (#42339279)

Aren't you past karma whoring with a sub million UID?

Yeah, man, one of these days I am going to hit the bank with all this karma I've accrued and do ... um, buy that ... uh, what exactly does that get me again? Screw it, moderate my post to -1, I don't care. I do care that some people are informed of more batshit insane politicians. I would love to see Jay Rockefeller, Gingrich and Huckabee never hold office again.

But you offer nothing. Nothing to this thread. No real facts - just comments from moronic politicians..

The origin of this story is moronic comments from politicians. Here are more. They are full of them. What I didn't do was attach my own two cents to that post in the interest of just presenting information about our elected officials who will, in the end, set these laws.

And yet, no one can make a difference.

What kind of attitude is this?

You know what? Shut the fuck up. And the rest of you too. Just shut the fuck up until you have data and a real solution.

You hear that, everyone? You cannot discuss solutions. No discussing whatsoever. Do not repeat what your politicians are saying so people are informed. You can only talk if you have a 100% solution and therefore no one can talk right now. Solutions will just magically appear with no discussion and you should not know what your elected representatives are saying about the matter!

Fuck you.

Ah, sweet sweet rebuttal from presenting statements and information. I love you too!

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (5, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 2 years ago | (#42339235)

There are plenty of theories to explain why our society is becoming more violent, including video games and lack of religion in schools. But they are all wrong for a very simple reason: our society is not becoming more violent. It is becoming significantly less violent.

So let's turn the question around: Why are we becoming less violent? One of the more plausible explanations that I have heard is ... video games. Teenage boys are staying home and playing video games instead of joining gangs and getting in trouble.

I certainly hope that if this study gets funded, that they have the integrity to look at the issue with a broad scope, instead of trying to avoid an outcome that makes Senator Rockefeller look like an idiot.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (2)

phorm (591458) | about 2 years ago | (#42339247)

I don't know so much about religion itself, but religious "values" aren't such a bad thing. The problem is that many seem to think that they can pick-and-choose to whom they apply values such as "life is sacred", "love thy neighbour", etc

Of course you have to love your neighbour if he's a good [insert religion X], but that damned heretic a few doors down, well we should burn him/her.
Even worse is when you start posing non-religious traditions as religious values.

So... while removing religion might not be part of the problem, removing some of the lessons around respecting your fellow man (/women) may very likely be.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339249)

Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage because we’ve made it a place where we don’t want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability?

I go lots of places where none of that is discussed, and for some reason they haven't become places of carnage.

But then rational reasoning never has been a hallmark of people pushing an agenda.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (4, Insightful)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#42339345)

Here's a theory for Gingrich and Huckabee. Maybe people are incited to violence by the lunatic politicians running things and that the system now seems broken beyond repair? Jobs. Economics. The widening class divide. High Court versus Low Court justice.

Nah, it's just video games causing violence.

Re:Gingrich & Huckabee Weigh In (1)

Svippy (876087) | about 2 years ago | (#42339357)

I don't understand why there is so little violence in the schools in my country. Surely Huckabee cannot be wrong?!

fake pretendy guns (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339005)

its not fake pretendy guns that are killing ppl, another fine example of answering the WRONG question

The rest of the world plays the same video games (5, Interesting)

adversus (1451933) | about 2 years ago | (#42339015)

And watches the same movies, and listens to the same music. Yet we're the only ones with a mass murder fetish, and the shittiest mental healthcare. Media isn't the problem.

Re:The rest of the world plays the same video game (2)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#42339159)

Yes, the rest of the world plays the same violent video games, same movies, same music. And yes, the rest of the world may actually take care of their mentally ill. But there is one big difference between us and the rest of the world.

We have the mostest, biggest, baddest guns.

(Baddestest?)

Re:The rest of the world plays the same video game (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#42339263)

But there is one big difference between us and the rest of the world. We have the mostest, biggest, baddest guns. (Baddestest?)

Switzerland issues fully automatic assault rifles (real assault rifles, not just "scary looking semi-autos") to every mentally competent male of military-eligible age. The type of weapons that are incredibly difficult to acquire in the US (for those of us not obscenely wealthy, anyway)

By your reasoning, Switzerland should be a madhouse of old-west style gunfights; I'll leave it to you to discover whether or not that is the case.

But there is one big difference between us and the rest of the world.

Indeed, and you already pointed it out:

the rest of the world may actually take care of their mentally ill.

There's the real issue at hand.

Re:The rest of the world plays the same video game (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339337)

We have an unhealthy fascination with guns in America. It stems from our enshrinement of that oh so important "right" to own a gun. We will never touch the 2nd amendment but we keep chipping away the 1st 4th and 9th.

Re:The rest of the world plays the same video game (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339191)

Indeed, the amount of gun violence in the US is disproportionately higher than any other country on earth.

Re:The rest of the world plays the same video game (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#42339283)

Indeed, the amount of gun violence in the US is disproportionately higher than any other country on earth.

[citation needed]

Re:The rest of the world plays the same video game (1)

tmosley (996283) | about 2 years ago | (#42339349)

Move to Iraq, anon.

Re:The rest of the world plays the same video game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339223)

media is the problem alright, only - it's not the videogame media. the media which really is to blame is TV and the so-called "News" programming they run.

Thompsonesque (1)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#42339019)

Is Rockefeller going to distribute copies of his driver's license with a Batman photo pasted over his face, too?

Welcome to being a target (5, Insightful)

raydobbs (99133) | about 2 years ago | (#42339023)

...right along with gun owners, we are at the twilight of those two industries unless we put this to a stop. Logical people know video games and guns don't cause violence - crazy assholes do. But as long as we're willing to be vilified, we will be picked to pieces in the chaos.

Re:Welcome to being a target (5, Insightful)

IceNinjaNine (2026774) | about 2 years ago | (#42339141)

Welcome to being a target... right along with gun owners

Indeed!
I'm not a big fan of Reagan, but this fits:

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions. Ronald Reagan

Re:Welcome to being a target (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339277)

That's what you currently do, and it's clearly working so well.

Re:Welcome to being a target (1)

tmosley (996283) | about 2 years ago | (#42339377)

Yes, they kill themselves rather than facing our justice system. Unlike certain Nordic mass murderers.

Re:Welcome to being a target (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339385)

Yes it is working very well. Events like this one are statistically insignificant.

Re:Welcome to being a target (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339207)

Yes, video games and guns don't cause violence.
But unlike video games, guns enable it.

Re:Welcome to being a target (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339379)

Sports cars enable me to break the speed limit, hit a crowd of people at 150MPH, and leave no survivors. Clearly, we should ban sports cars.

Re:Welcome to being a target (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339275)

Insightful? Ridiculous.

Guns don't cause violence, but they sure as hell enable mass acts of violence easily. Video games do nothing of the sort.

When you have a culture that promotes (5, Insightful)

hsmith (818216) | about 2 years ago | (#42339027)

Endless war, militarized police, drone strikes, torture, gangster lifestyles, and overall general violence, it is all a contributing factor to devaluing life.

But let's ignore the real problem: mental illness. Lets blame guns and video games.

Re:When you have a culture that promotes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339119)

Can you name a major culture that hasn't promoted overall general violence? Our parents and grandparents had the romantic World Wars, before that there were various continent-spanning empires. Quite a few cultures have had human sacrifice or gladiatorial games for entertainment. Compared to that, listening to rap music and reading newspaper articles about unmanned drone strikes (and playing some Quake) seems rather tame.

Re:When you have a culture that promotes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339175)

This case certainly doesn't allow us to dive into the 'easy' fixes as the normal proposed items don't apply. The guns were not purchased directly by Adam, we don't know how well they were secured, the video games he played weren't particularly graphic. Those looking for the easy answers are not going to find them here.

How about money? (5, Insightful)

mosb1000 (710161) | about 2 years ago | (#42339033)

Adam Lanza's mother received nearly $25,000 a month in alimony, maybe the should study the connection between receiving ludicrous amounts of money for no reason and violence in children as well.

Re:How about money? (2)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#42339201)

Maybe she should have just used some of that $25,000 a month alimony to get her kid some mental help.

It was Star Craft... (5, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | about 2 years ago | (#42339039)

The shooter played Star Craft. Not a FPS, not some blood and gore style of game, but a strategy game. Its about as violent as chess (ok, it has a bit more blood then most chess games).

Re:It was Star Craft... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339217)

I have to say that after decades of intensive study of violent video games and first-person shooters I have come to the following conclusions:

1. I suck at FPS games
2. I stay with RTS and the occasional MMORPG

Wait, what was the question?

Continuing Infantilization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339043)

The investigation into video game effects on children is based on the acts of a twenty year old?

We need to stop extending childhood into mid-adulthood before "think of the children" applies to AARP members.

Starcraft. (4, Funny)

Xaositecte (897197) | about 2 years ago | (#42339047)

There have been reports that Adam Lanza obsessively played Call of Duty and Starcraft before he went on a shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., last Friday.

Starcraft? Seriously? That breeds killers?

Re:Starcraft. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339069)

Maybe he went up against a Korean gamer? >.>

Re:Starcraft. (1)

flibuste (523578) | about 2 years ago | (#42339115)

Starcraft? Seriously? That breeds killers?

Well...have you seen how those zergs reproduce and eat everything on their path? I'd answer "Yes"....

Re:Starcraft. (4, Funny)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#42339325)

Of course! Think about it. A swarming, bloodthirsty race spreads from its blazingly hot, otherwise-lifeless homeland across the sector, devouring or perverting everything in its path. After they destroy a civilized human base, do you know what they do with the remnant? They infest it. They implant their essence into the base's very core, and turn it into a breeding factory - for suicide bombers! Poor, twisted versions of what was once human, with no free will, their only actions for the glory of Mohamm - I mean, the Overmind.

Starcraft is obviously an Islamic plot to destroy the US and Western Civilization.

Oh, for fuck's sake. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339051)

A tragedy gets played out across the news for days on end, providing a unique window to grab the collective attention of the American people and enact meaningful change ... and THIS is the best this douchecanoe can come up with?

Will they also conduct a study... (2, Interesting)

ChodaBoyUSA (2532764) | about 2 years ago | (#42339053)

...of why these mass murders are not being caught by the mental health system? Before we jump to conclusions and condemn the tools used by these insane criminals, we need to find out WHY someone would want to commit mass murder and WHY the mental health system is not catching these people long before they commit these acts of murder.

Classic literature and Saturday morning cartoons (4, Insightful)

Artifice_Eternity (306661) | about 2 years ago | (#42339055)

"They believe that violent video games are no more dangerous to young minds than classic literature or Saturday morning cartoons."

Classic literature and Saturday morning cartoons are, in many cases, bloody as hell. And people have gotten plenty hysterical about them in the past.

Re:Classic literature and Saturday morning cartoon (1)

earlzdotnet (2788729) | about 2 years ago | (#42339153)

See also: list of books not allowed in school/public libraries

Re:Classic literature and Saturday morning cartoon (5, Informative)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 2 years ago | (#42339301)

As a philosopher, I would assert that some pieces of classic literature can be very dangerous: children may learn how to think.

Games are violent (1, Insightful)

Hentes (2461350) | about 2 years ago | (#42339063)

But hoarding guns and spending your time on a shooting range apparently isn't.

Re:Games are violent (4, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 2 years ago | (#42339173)

Guns and shooting ranges are not violent in and of themselves. Target shooting is a mental exercise, a bit like meditation, it requires quite a bit of focus and mental control to be good at shooting. You've got to simultaneously be both very observant of the world around you (which way is the wind blowing, how fast is it blowing, etc.) and at the same time block it all out. You can't just go in and empty your clip in 2 seconds and expect to hit anything. If you've never been shooting, you should and you'll see that it is anything but violent. It is a form of mental exercise.

Re:Games are violent (1)

Hentes (2461350) | about 2 years ago | (#42339371)

I knew some shooters and you are right in that it requires you to be calm, but that doesn't necessarily mean stable. Also, there's a big difference between a sportsman and a gun nut. You don't need an assault rifle for target shooting. And unlike games, shooting does train in the use of a gun.

Re:Games are violent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339229)

I both game and shoot firearms. Yet I've done less violent acts in over 20 years of gun ownership than most people did at their breakfast table. The connection you're trying to make makes about as much sense as trying to blame games for violence.

"Shit happened, we need to blame somebody." (5, Insightful)

Abstrackt (609015) | about 2 years ago | (#42339075)

This looks more like a case of "shit happened, we need to blame somebody" than actually trying to solve anything. If a violent video game is going to turn someone violent it's more likely as a result of a preexisting condition.

what baffles me (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 2 years ago | (#42339077)

is how nobody understands that in roman times, medieval times, heck, even just 100 years ago, mankind was peaceful and loving

ever since these video games came out, murder has gone through the roof /sarcasm, for the sarcasm impaired

Re:what baffles me (1)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#42339257)

Video games are violent. Very violent. Have you seen Frogger? Or Space Invaders?

Maybe a study should be done on what constitutes a violent video game.

Correlation vs causation big time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339079)

It's not guns, not games, movies or anything else like that. It's (a) people with mental problems that are so bad that it drives them to kill, and (b) stupid decisions that increase the chances of exploiting those drives (like the mother of something with problems specifically teaching him to use guns, and not adequately securing them).

Good (3, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#42339095)

Good, so we can finally put that myth to rest. Or by "study" do they mean "find some evidence that shows a correlation between them no matter how faulty the logic may be"? I'm guessing it's supposed to be the latter. After all, you can't earn many political points by commissioning a study that doesn't allow you to create a scapegoat or enact some laws to crack down on the "problem", and the fact he is proposing this now means it is, most definitely, a political move to create the appearance of action (never mind most of the time what should be done is nothing, because bad shit happens sometimes).

Cause and Effect backwards? (2)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#42339097)

If there is an actual link between real world violence and violent video games (and I am skeptical of that) then maybe the violent video games merely reflect the world we live in. Saying violent video games cause real violence might be like saying that Brain Injury causes Football. (American type football.) After all, a link has been established between football and brain injury.

Re:Cause and Effect backwards? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339113)

Obligatory: http://xkcd.com/925/ [xkcd.com]

This again? (3, Insightful)

gelfling (6534) | about 2 years ago | (#42339105)

Really? Julius Caesar played violent video games? Ghenghis Khan? Al Capone?

Re:This again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339135)

Really? Julius Caesar played violent video games? Ghenghis Khan? Al Capone?

Yes: chess.

Literal idiom interpretation considered harmful (2)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 2 years ago | (#42339117)

Legislation passes, researchers arm themselves to the teeth, accidentally snuff themselves during oral hygiene operations.

Oh Jesus Christ,not this again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339125)

Hey America, what if we started censoring movies that air on daytime TV with a kill count on the bottom of the screen. Sex is bad, but violence is OK. That's the message we send our kids. Video games are the least violent form of entertainment you can choose from. Our National sport is bashing people's heads in.

Because nobody in Congress.... (4, Insightful)

stox (131684) | about 2 years ago | (#42339127)

has anything better to do. Who cares about the fiscal cliff?

Preventing events like this is equivalent to trying to stop lightning strikes. In fact death by lightning is more common.

How about (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339129)

We have bloody idiots who are standing in the way of actually dealing with these problems by promoting ridclous scapegoats to push an agenda that doesn't even make an ounce of sense when even remotely scrutinised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

1949: Unruh, Howard Barton, 28; 13 killed, 3 injured
1958: Starkweather, Charles, 19 & Fugate, Caril Ann, 14; 10 killed.
1984: Huberty, James Oliver, 41; 21 killed, 19 injured.

Violent video games, right?

Money Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339131)

> Parents, pediatricians and psychologists know better

Right, that's why circumcision is still routinely practiced in the U.S.

Like everything else, follow the money, honey

Pass any law you want ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339145)

... as long as it does not stop the gun industry from selling assault rifles to any crackpot that walks through the door. Some things never change.

The money would be better spent... (2)

MrSavage (2127458) | about 2 years ago | (#42339169)

...by funding a study that determined how the Rockefellers have conspired against humanity for their own greedy and nefarious purposes.

right, just games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339171)

Not an entire culture of the glorification of violence. Start paying attention to how much violence, murder, idolization of 'evil people', fighting, and general confrontational activities people are subjected to every day. What movies have you watched, tv shows, news, music and yes, video games in the last year? How many of them had violence, killing (even animated or non human) and conflict? I bet the vast majority because that is what makes 'interesting' consumption to the masses. It's hardly a revelation that constant bombardment of killing wouldn't affect people.

Of course, showing a boob would cause instant drama, huge fines, wailing and knashing of teeth about how to protect our children. Usual remedies are to attack or kill the people who caused it. See a pattern here?

Can we really ignore this? (1)

poppycock (231161) | about 2 years ago | (#42339189)

Of the many contributing causes to American violence, I don't think video games are an especially high priority. But neither do I think the possibility can be ignored. These attrocities have to end, and we should all be willing to consider all potential causes. I love video games, but if a thorough and valid scientific inquiry shows a causal or aggravating relationship between violent video games and real-world, violence, then I would be willing to accept restrictions on sales to minors.

I will be insistent that the NRA and other pro-gun groups contribute constructively to the debate and possible solutions, and be willing to compromise, and gamers need to be part of the conversation too.

By all means, let's not over react, and knee-jerk reactions are not helpful, on either side of the question. But there are no sacred cows.

Re:Can we really ignore this? (1)

MrSavage (2127458) | about 2 years ago | (#42339319)

Of the many contributing causes to American violence, I don't think video games are an especially high priority. But neither do I think the possibility can be ignored. These attrocities have to end, and we should all be willing to consider all potential causes. I love video games, but if a thorough and valid scientific inquiry shows a causal or aggravating relationship between violent video games and real-world, violence, then I would be willing to accept restrictions on sales to minors.

I will be insistent that the NRA and other pro-gun groups contribute constructively to the debate and possible solutions, and be willing to compromise, and gamers need to be part of the conversation too.

By all means, let's not over react, and knee-jerk reactions are not helpful, on either side of the question. But there are no sacred cows.

Yes, there is a sacred cow. It's called Freedom of Speech.

The reasons so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339193)

Cue every ghoul who wants to exploit a tragedy to further their favorite agenda. In approximately the order I've heard them, it was...

...because we don't have gun control

...because not enough people carry guns.

...because we don't allow school prayer.

...because of video games.

...because schools teach evolution and how to be a homo.[*]

...because the school was run by women.

Have I missed any?

[*]They didn't have that class when I was in school.

How about looking at the source of the problem? (5, Insightful)

onyxruby (118189) | about 2 years ago | (#42339209)

Why aren't we looking at keeping the crazy people themselves off the streets? As someone who has known someone that was mentally unstable and worked with their doctors to have them committed it's next to impossible to have an unstable person committed involuntarily. Typically the best you can do is 3 days, and beyond that nothing can be done unless they are an /immediate/ risk to themselves or others.

The standard needs to be changed to indeterminable risk to themselves or others, as this would make all the difference in the world in keeping unstable people off the streets and the rest of society safe. The standards are simply too stringent and by closing the institutions we have gotten rid of all of the economies of scale that allowed unstable people to have access to the physical and mental health care that they need. The result now is that the mentally unfit are homeless and society isn't protected from the unstable. The idea that this is somehow more 'humane' is ludicrous.

*sigh* (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | about 2 years ago | (#42339211)

Yes, because video games are totally the only thing violent in our society.
Books, movies, cartoons and hell, even the /news/, totally don't display graphic violence at all. Nope.

The problem is never what's on the screen, it's the mental idiot that decides he should bring fantasy into reality.

Children in other countries play the same games (2, Informative)

kawabago (551139) | about 2 years ago | (#42339219)

Children in Britain play exactly the same video games that American children play and they don't run around shooting each other all the time. America has a culture of gun violence and until that changes these terrible events will keep happening.

The school shooter obviously played this game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339239)

Utmeskiten [kimmoa.se] .

Rockefeller has already made up his mind. (2)

rarumberger (2708801) | about 2 years ago | (#42339241)

As a gamer, I would welcome any real study that examines the link between video game violence and real world violence. That said, a study that has as its aim the goal of finding such a link is worthless. And I suspect, based on Rockefeller's quote, "They believe that violent video games are no more dangerous to young minds than classic literature or Saturday morning cartoons. Parents, pediatricians, and psychologists know better," tells me that the answer has already been decided, and that any study undertaken at Rockefeller's behest will not accept "there is no link" as a possible outcome.

*Again* with the games... (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#42339255)

It's like watching a broken record player.

Here's an idea... How about researching what drove him off the deep end? Or how he managed to amass such crazy weapons so easily?

But no, instead we just get another round of political masturbation where Politicians try to make it look like they're doing something without actually doing such.

*facepalm*

How can this be ended? (1)

Sedated2000 (1716470) | about 2 years ago | (#42339271)

Every time something like this happens, they try to blame video games for it. Other things too, yes, but one of the main targets is video games. I know the point is to pretend they've accomplished something, but people see that, right? It's like professional wrestling... we all know it's mostly soap opera mixed with some jumping around in speedos. How long can they keep this up? Imagine the time and money wasted for these people that are doing this. Think about all of the other issues that have been ongoing that they are ignoring to rush for the attention grab. I would like to think these people are not really that out of touch with the public that they think something like Starcraft would make him want to murder innocent children. If they are that out of touch, it's time they retire from politics.

Why bother even doing the study? (2)

TsuruchiBrian (2731979) | about 2 years ago | (#42339273)

FTA:

"'Recent court decisions demonstrate that some people still do not get it. They believe that violent video games are no more dangerous to young minds than classic literature or Saturday morning cartoons. Parents, pediatricians, and psychologists know better."

If all the parents, pediatricians, and psychologists already *know* that violent video games are causing violence in children, why bother wasting money on a study to show what we already know?". I am not sure the Senator or most politicians in general realize what the point of a scientific study is. You do it when you *don't* know they answer and want to find out, not when you have already decided what the answer is and fabricate a study to support your prior conclusion. You have to use like real science and real statistics and stuff to ensure your study is as objective and free from bias as possible so that the answers are somewhat close to being true rather than merely supporting your position.

What is shocking to me is not that people would try to use BS science for political reasons. It is that they are not even trying to make it look like real science. The only reason I can think of why they don't is that they don't even know what real science looks like, so they can't even fake it.

It's like we have a bunch of people running the country that are at the intellectual level of mediocre high school students practicing to be adults through mock trials and model united nations.

Neither game control nor gun control will help (2)

CoolHnd30 (89871) | about 2 years ago | (#42339281)

America's first and deadliest school massacre - in 1927 - no games or guns involved. Games don't make people crazy, and if guns are "controlled", mass destruction can still be utilized, and it will make it harder for law abiding citizens to stop them.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster [wikipedia.org]

Invented Conenctions (4, Insightful)

Quantus347 (1220456) | about 2 years ago | (#42339287)

Saying this man killed his mother and then a bunch of children and teachers because he played video games is about and logical as saying he did it because he ate fatty foods, so we need shut down all McDonald's. There is no link whatsoever, beyond the fact that somebody wants to milk the events and the heightened emotions it is generating for their own crusades. Tighter gun control would not have stopped a determined and unstable man from stealing guns to go killing. Even if there had been no guns, Im sure he could have found another way. Hell, this was the 2nd deadliest elementary school killing because the deadliest used a bomb.

This really is getting ridiculous. I am getting really tired of all the politicians and lobby groups trying to spin this tragedy to their own agenda.

Sure, Let's Study That (1)

Greyfox (87712) | about 2 years ago | (#42339307)

And while we're at it, let's study the complete failure to notice that someone was mentally ill enough to perform such an act, how easily that person was able to obtain the guns and ammunition to do it and how easily he gained access to the school. Because you know, if we're going to be pointing the pudgy finger of blame, I wouldn't want to leave anyone out.

Not that I have a high degree of confidence in the Federal government's ability to assess threats. After all, even without this massacre, statistically one person dies to gun violence every 20 minutes in the USA. That's one Sandy Hook massacre worth of people before I get up for work, every day. But I can't buy buckyballs because 0 children died after swallowing them. Good going there, Federal government! Way to "protect the children!" I'm sure filing a suit against the buckyballs guys will surely save 0 more children over not filing that suit! Oops! 20 minutes have passed! I guess that means another person just got shot!

Not the cause.. (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 2 years ago | (#42339309)

The cause wasn't that the shooter played video games, the cause wasn't that the shooter had shot a gun before. The cause was that this guy seriously had some mental issues. You can't fix humanity.

Look at China, they've got some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. They've got censorship of nearly everything and yet this happens: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248054/China-stabbing-22-children-elderly-woman-stabbed-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html [dailymail.co.uk]

You've got to strike at the root cause which is the mental issues. Not guns, not knives, not baseball bats, not video games, not comic books, etc.

He was a gamer... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339317)

And so is another billion people in the world that don't go outside killing each other.
Actually, psychologists know better... only the ones that know that is better a kid that relieves its anger on a shooter than the one that keep it growing until they find a real gun.

Video games don't kill people... crazy people do. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339331)

End of line...

Games kill people. (1)

Dr. Evil (3501) | about 2 years ago | (#42339333)

Guns don't kill people!.

But more guns will help kill people who kill people.

So we need to legislate fewer games where people use guns to kill people who kill people! Also those games where people don't kill people, because they're gatway games. We also need to allow people to carry guns to kill the bad guys!

But movies are okay. It's a different kind of violence. As long as they don't show a woman's nipple.

I think I understand the position now.

Yet another case of ... (2)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | about 2 years ago | (#42339347)

This is yet another case of certain people using a given tragedy to push their agenda.

The folks who already have an anti-gaming viewpoint are always going to use a given media event like this to push for bans on / studies on video games.

Last time I checked, it wasn't a troubled teenager taking out their peers, it was a legal adult slaughtering defenseless children. You can study the effects of violent video games on children all you want, but it's not going to address a situation like this. Maybe someone might have legitimately wondered about the connection between the Columbine shooters and video games, but I believe the studies that came out then pretty much said that "batshite f-tards will be batshite f-tards with or without video games" (I may be paraphrasing a little)

Ok, so I don't know either, but just really??? sick bastard ADULT shoots children and someone's proposing studies of video games effects on kids? Yeah, yeah, this guy was a kid once, but honestly - it's pretty obvious that this is yet another "We gotta do SUMTHIN'" knee-jerk response that politicians feel the need to whip out so they can seem like they're taking action... without actually threatening the interests of their donors.

For the record, it's my opinion that anti-gun folks are pretty much doing the same thing - they're going to take every opportunity to push gun laws regardless of the actual situation - they do it because it's how you move an agenda forward - throw it up against the wall enough and something will stick sooner or later.

Another financial scam.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42339353)

School shooting have occurred every few years right back to 1853 in the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States [wikipedia.org]

Violent computer games are less than 20 years old. Study complete, now where is my government grant... :)

No will, no blame (1)

goldspider (445116) | about 2 years ago | (#42339355)

IMHO anyone who wants to "blame" something that has no will of its own for the acts committed by something that does should not be included in the conversation.

Diversion (1, Insightful)

assertation (1255714) | about 2 years ago | (#42339359)

Canadians manage to watch movies and play video games without shooting each other. Regardless of the reason why someone picks up a gun, the problem is that they are still able to get one when they are not fit to have one. Issues about mental health and culture SHOULD be addressed, but I think the NRA and other pro-gun people are going to use those things as diversions to the real issue.......keeping automatic weapons away from most people.

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