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Drone Made of Lego Takes Flight

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the toys-from-toys dept.

Toys 83

TVmisGuided writes "People have made UAVs out of wood, aluminum, even 3D-printed plastic. But now comes the tale of C#/C++ developer Ed Scott who, after damaging his Gaui 330x, got the idea of designing and building a Lego quadcopter. And it worked! 'Most people go to their favorite hobby store to get parts for their UAV, I go to my kid's playroom.'"

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Conditioned Much? (3, Insightful)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#42345311)

Last millenium weq had RC planes and shit. Why call them drones now? Is that to give legitimacy to extrajudicial killings, or is it to derive coolness from them? It's one thing or the other, that's for fucking sure, so tell me. Unmanned Aerial Vehicle is such a needy and funny thing to call it... you mean like a paper airplane? Or a helium balloon? WTF people. Oh, and this is bad enough without dragging your kid into it, btw. Just a thought. Now do your butthurt thingy where you mod me down as flamebait or troll, you know you wanna ^^

Re:Conditioned Much? (2)

AllanNienhuis (2772209) | about 2 years ago | (#42345339)

I thought the difference between drone and RC planes was the ability to fly them out of line of site - drones have cameras and give the pilot some form of first-person view as they are flying. At least that's how I've always thought of the difference...

Re:Conditioned Much? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42345349)

The 9/11 Perpetrators Timeline The 9/11 Perpetrators Timeline

Precisely how they did it is yet to be revealed by a truly independent investigation with full subpoena power. This timeline leaves no doubt that the official story is a crock of lies, and indicates a number of people who should be taken in for questioning. For a longer exposition including proof of controlled demolitions, details of disinformation tactics, and information on moving companies, a "factoring company" that specializes in "unconventional transactions worldwide" and deals with the Pentagon, the CIA and the FBI, and possible links to organized crime, see here [takeourworldback.com] .

Pre-9/11 Timeline

1946: July 22. Menachem Begin's Irgun Jewish terrorists dress as Arabs [wikipedia.org] and bomb the King David Hotel, killing 92 people [timesonline.co.uk] . The Irgun also plot to assassinate British foreign secretary Ernest Bevin [informatio...house.info] ; fortunately, this conspiracy is foiled by MI6.

1948: May 14. David Ben-Gurion declares the independence of the new Zionist State [wikipedia.org] of Israel, born from deception and from the blood of victims [cjpme.org] of Jewish terrorism hours before the British Mandate is due to expire [aljazeerah.info] . It takes effect at midnight, Tel Aviv time [palestinefacts.org] . May 15. Eleven minutes after midnight, U.S. President Harry Truman officially recognises the proclaimed Jewish state [archives.gov] in Palestine.

1954: July. An Israeli spy ring is arrested in Egypt. These Israeli secret service agents have been assigned to attack U.S. and British interests [mideastweb.org] in Egypt. "Operation Susannah [google.com] " is a typical example of false-flag [911review.com] terrorism in which the perpetrators pin the blame on another party - in this case, Egypt and "the Arabs" - for political gain. The operation is unsuccessful, the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon is forced to resign as a result of the scandal, and the incident becomes known as the Lavon Affair [the7thfire.com] .

1967: June 8. Israel carries out a sustained air and naval attack on the USS Liberty for over an hour [ussliberty.org] , employing torpedoes, machine guns and napalm rockets, even to the extent of machine-gunning lifeboats [unitedstat...rnment.net] launched to save the most seriously wounded. 34 men are killed and more than 170 wounded.

1983: Christopher Bollyn [takeourworldback.com] marries Bosmat Merimsky [newsbank.com] , a Jew who works for Israeli military intelligence at Herzliya [neoconeurope.eu] . She wants to marry an American in order to gain entry to the USA [archive.org] . The marriage lasts for two years [takeourworldback.com] .

1986: American journalist and author Michael Collins Piper [amfirstbooks.com] , in an article for The Spotlight, exposes Roy Edward Bullock as a full-time professional operative [barnesreview.org] and informant for the Anti-Defamation League [projectcensored.org] of B'nai B'rith (ADL). Bullock, a homosexual from San Francisco [webshells.com] whose information is passed on to both Israel and the South African government [nytimes.com] , poses as an "art dealer [latimes.com] ", a "populist" and a "good patriot". He is paid $550 a week plus expenses [docstoc.com] by the ADL. Twenty years later, Piper goes on to write a book The Judas Goats [americanfreepress.net] about the tactics [blogspot.com] of these treacherous infiltrators.

1987: Jonathan Pollard [blogspot.com] , a former U.S. Navy intelligence officer, is convicted of spying for Israel [freerepublic.com] . It is not the only case [whatreallyhappened.com] , not by a long way.

1991: Israeli security officials inspect the garage [time.com] of Zim American Israeli Shipping in the WTC, and conclude that the WTC garage is vulnerable to a car bomb.

1993: February 26. The WTC garage is hit by a car bomb [lectlaw.com] . The FBI has been aware of the plot via their informant Emad Salem [onlinejournal.com] yet let it go ahead [whatreallyhappened.com] , killing six and injuring more than a thousand in the resulting fires after a plan to substitute harmless powder [nytimes.com] for the explosives was called off by an FBI supervisor. According to Israeli intelligence sources [whatreallyhappened.com] , Ahmad Ajaj, involved in the early stages of the plot, was a Mossad [fas.org] mole. There now exists a pretext for subsequent "fireproofing upgrades".

1994: July 11. Months after the publication of Michael Collins Piper [wikipedia.org] 's book Final Judgment [amazon.com] - which is about the role of Zionists, Israel, and its intelligence service Mossad in the JFK assassination - Christopher Bollyn and his second wife Helje Kaskel sign the guest book at the offices of Liberty Lobby [wikipedia.org] , publisher of The Spotlight [libertylobby.org] , forerunner to the American Free Press [americanfreepress.net] , a weekly newspaper with a populist and nationalist political orientation. Piper [mikepiperreport.com] has been a contributor to the American Free Press since its inception in 2001, and wrote for The Spotlight for more than twenty years.

1995: Benjamin Netanyahu [wikipedia.org] , former unit team leader in the IDF's elite special forces unit Sayeret Matkal [wikipedia.org] and future Israeli Premier (1996-9 and 2009-), writes about "militant Islam" bringing down the World Trade Center [netanyahu.org] . Benjamin's father Benzion was secretary and pallbearer [antiwar.com] to Ze'ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky [knesset.gov.il] who founded the Revisionist Zionist Alliance [wikipedia.org] , a militant faction within Zionism. Benzion's mentor was Abba Ahimeir [blogspot.com] , Jabotinsky's lieutenant, who wrote a column in the Revisionist Zionist magazine Doar Hayom. Under the title "From the Notebook of a Fascist", Ahimeir would praise Mussolini and refer to Jabotinsky as "our Duce" [thebestlinks.com] , and said that Hitler is on the right track [salon.com] but for his "excessive anti-Semitism". The Irgun Zvai Leum [about.com] i was one of several Jewish terrorist organizations inspired by Jabotinsky's movement. Menachem Begin was, like Benzion Netanyahu, another close disciple of Jabotinsky [jewishpost.com] . Begin was the final commander of the Irgun [etzel.org.il] in 1946 when its Jewish terrorists dressed as Arabs and blew up the King David Hotel.

1996: After Netanyahu is "unexpectedly" elected Israeli Prime Minister [palestinefacts.org] in the wake of a wave of so-called "suicide bombings" [nytimes.com] , the Institute for Advanced Strategic & Political Studies publishes a paper for him entitled A Clean Break [iasps.org] : A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.

1997: April. Mike Piper is being tailed by the Bollyn - Kaskel couple in Cancun, Mexico, where he spots them in a cigar store. Source: The Piper Report, Monday June 22, 2009, available from the RBN archives [republicbroadcasting.org] . September 24/25. Members of the Mossad's Kidon (bayonet) unit arrive in Jordan. Two of them travelling with fake Canadian passports have been assigned to execute Hamas leader Khaled Mashal. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu chaired the Israeli "Committee X" that decided on the assassination [google.com] . As in Operation Susannah, the plan goes badly wrong. The attempt to poison Mashal with nerve gas is interrupted before he is killed outright, the two Mossad assassins are arrested, and four of their teammates end up trapped in the Israeli Embassy in Amman. Israel has to bargain for their release by providing an antidote to save Mashal and by freeing another Hamas leader and other prisoners. Netanyahu only agrees to provide the antidote after pressure from Bill Clinton [www.cbc.ca] . Efraim Halevy is sent in to defuse the situation [hoover.org] and get the Israelis out. For his handling of the affair, Halevy is awarded the job of Director of the Mossad.

1998: January 17. News breaks via the Drudge Report [drudgereportarchives.com] of a sexual relationship between President Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky, who is of Russian Jewish descent [wikipedia.org] . Clinton would have been vulnerable to blackmail by, for example, a "foreign embassy" [911review.org] that was tapping his telephones [whatreallyhappened.com] . January 20. Benjamin Netanyahu, whose government is in a weak position domestically but who has a few more aces [whatreallyhappened.com] up his sleeve, arrives in Washington [pbs.org] for talks with Bill Clinton. November / December. Philip Zelikow, a Jewish American writer [wikipedia.org] and historian, co-authors an article [foreignaffairs.org] which describes a "transforming event" rather like "Pearl Harbor" [harvard.edu] , which would "divide our past and future into a before and after". In another few years, Zelikow will be the executive director [9-11commission.gov] of the "9/11 Commission".

1999: May 28. The website domain [networksolutions.com] emperors-clothes.com is created [photobucket.com] by Jared Israel. September 16. Jared Israel posts a fairly lengthy article [archive.org] at the Emperor's Clothes website, taking a position that is critical of the U.S. government and of the New York Times' bias towards U.S. government policy. The article Credible Deceptions has no less than 35 references to "bin Laden", and is rightly skeptical of the notion that "CIA employees" Osama bin Laden et al would have suddenly transformed from employee to enemy. Israel suggests that bin Laden is "an enemy in fiction". Credible Deceptions is said to have been [archive.org] written as early as August 28, 1998, revised September 16, 1999, and reposted February 18, 2001. October 31. Rabbi Dov Zakheim is CEO of SPC International [wikipedia.org] - a world leader in aircraft remote control technology incorporating a "Flight Termination System [sysplan.com] " capable ofsimultaneously taking over a number of in-flight aircraft and issuing commands via a "Command Transmitter System [nogw.com] ". EgyptAir Flight 990 (a Boeing 767) plunges into the Atlantic, killing all 217 on board including 33 Egyptian army officers [nybooks.com] . No mechanical cause for the crash is ever found, and it is blamed on a "suicidal Muslim" co-pilot [emergency.com] , a claim that is publicised by the New York Times [nytimes.com] , which has been under Jewish ownership since 1896 [wikipedia.org] . A few weeks later, bioterrorism "expert" Jerome Hauer [wikipedia.org] announces he will step down from his position as Director of the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management early in 2000, having successfully conducted an emergency operation from the OEM, based on the 23rd floor of World Trade Center Building Seven (WTC7), in response to the outbreak of West Nile Fever [nytimes.com] in the city which occurred the year after he persuaded Mayor Giuliani to develop a vaccine against it. As of 1999 - 2000, the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Indian Head, MD (NSWC-IH), is the "only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the United States [sdsmt.edu] ".

2000: January. Christopher Bollyn gets involved in a dispute at his local library [findarticles.com] when they initially refuse his request to stock Michael Piper's Final Judgment. He claims to have heard about Piper's book on the internet, and the controversy provides him with a pretext [newcomm.org] to leave his job at IBM Global Network Services [cassiopaea.org] , meet Piper and get involved with The Spotlight which is a critic of Israel and Zionism. Bollyn is recruited as a writer for The Spotlight by self-described Khazar [ziofascism.net] Jerry Myers [mikepiperreport.com] . More than a hundred Israelis [haaretz.co.il] pose as "art students [historycommons.org] " (January 2000 - September 2001) and attempt to penetrate U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) offices [christopherketcham.com] and other federal buildings including 36 sensitive Department of Defense (DoD) sites [fpp.co.uk] . May. Piper first "officially" meets the Bollyns in Chicago. At that meeting, Chris mentions that he smoked cigars, and the 1997 encounter comes flashing back to Piper as he realises that Chris and Helje were the striking couple that he'd seen in the cigar store, with the man saying in a squeaky American voice "Hey, cigars". In another bizarre experience, Helje Kaskel [geocities.com] shows Piper her nude [guardian.co.uk] modelling photos as her husband looks on. June 18. Eric Blane [usa-people-search.com] Hufschmid's half-sister [erichufschmid.net] Kathryn marries James Murdoch [kittybrewster.com] , son and heir apparent [www.welt.de] to billionaire [forbes.com] Zionist [blogspot.com] media mogul [turtlemeat.com] Rupert Murdoch.September. Rabbi Zakheim of SPC is amongst the signatories to Rebuilding America's Defenses [newamericancentury.org] , a report published by The Project for the New American Century (PNAC [reachingtruth.com] ), which wrote of the advantages of a "new Pearl Harbor [oldamericancentury.org] ".November. Christopher Bollyn claims to have received [topica.com] a death threat, but there is no evidence to support the claim. November 13. Eric Hufschmid posts a Usenet message [google.com] exhibiting a rather Jewish sense of humor [resist.com] : "If you don't mind pornographic photos, this one makes you wonder what other areas the Palm Beach voters have trouble with." In Hufschmid's Usenet message (for more, see here [google.com] or here [google.com] ), he links to ablog page that was subsequently archived [archive.org] at the Internet archives Wayback Machine [archive.org] , and it can be seen to include images of buttocks and an allusion to sodomy. The page also has a newer entry dated 2001 about "fart lamps". Given that the page's URL and the email address at the bottom of that page contains Hufschmid's initials of ebh, and the writing style is consistent with that of Hufschmid, it is fairly clear that Hufschmid not only linked to the page, but also created it. The point to remember here is that Rupert Murdoch followed the same strategy [biography.com] of using sex and sleaze to make a name for himself.

2001: Fireproofing "upgrades" are being carried out at the World Trade Center's Twin Towers, as also occurred [takeourworldback.com] over several years pre-2001 [takeourworldback.com] . The contract holder is Turner Construction [takeourworldback.com] , whose CEO is Tom Leppert [turnerconstruction.com] . WTC tenants have been completing various modifications [scoop.co.nz] throughout the leased spaces. January 20. George W. Bush is sworn in as president [cnn.com] , and says, "We will confront weapons of mass destruction...". A clique [americanfreepress.net] of warmongers [amconmag.com] with strong attachments [counterpunch.org] to Israel [jewishvirtuallibrary.org] and PNAC [sourcewatch.org] are to achieve power in the Bush administration. February 15. Rupert Murdoch's Fox TV [outfoxed.org] network broadcasts a documentary entitled "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon? [imdb.com] " This weak [vho.org] conspiracy theory has plenty of evidence against it [braeunig.us] , and very little to support it. The broadcast would help to deflect attention from any actual major criminal conspiracy that might be imminent, by branding those who exposed the crime as "conspiracy theorists [tech-archive.net] " - particularly if someone were to conflate the "Apollo hoax" theory with the real conspiracy [erichufschmid.net] . March 4. Fox TV, owned by Rupert Murdoch [muckety.com] , a long-time friend of Benjamin Netanyahu [209.85.229.132] , broadcasts the pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen [wikipedia.org] TV series, an episode about a plot by a secret cabal within the U.S. government to electronically hijack by remote control a Boeing [911review.org] heading for Boston and divert it to crash into the World Trade Center [propagandamatrix.com] . The broadcast would help to deflect attention from any imminent false-flag attack [serendipity.li] by Israel by: (i) Diverting suspicion to the Bush administration [public-action.com] . (ii) Reinforcing the concept of an attack based on remote-controlled planes [historycommons.org] as "fiction" or "conspiracy theory". March 19. Fox TV rebroadcasts its "Moon hoax" conspiracy theory [badastronomy.com] . April. Real estate developer Larry A. Silverstein [blogspot.com] is still in the running as one of three bidders for the 99-year lease on the World Trade Center, after having been viewed as a "dark horse" [observer.com] who was unlikely to win the deal. However, Port Authority chairman [nytimes.com] Lewis M. Eisenberg [google.com] is in charge of negotiations. Eisenberg [bibliotecapleyades.net] was a partner of Goldman Sachs for many years, and is on the planning Board of the UJA / United Jewish Federation "charity". Silverstein [silverstei...erties.com] served as Chairman of the Board [ujafedny.org] of the United Jewish Appeal [politicalfriendster.com] . July. Six weeks before [silverstei...erties.com] the WTC is destroyed in terror attacks involving Boeings that, evidence suggests [whatreallyhappened.com] , are electronically hijacked [nogw.com] by remote control [conspiracyplanet.com] , Benjamin Netanyahu's friend Larry Silverstein [haaretz.com] , in partnership with billionaire [smartcompany.com.au] Australian Frank Lowy [blogspot.com] who fought "in the Jewish underground" [abc.net.au] , takes control of the WTC lease, and insures [911review.com] the buildings against terror attacks for billions of dollars [washingtontimes.com] , with aclause stating that in the event of a terrorist attack, the partners could not only collect the insured value of the property, but would also be released from all of their obligations under the 99-year lease [wtc7.net] . August 26. New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik leaves for a four-day trip to Israel [nydailynews.com] , where he is to meet government officials to discuss terrorism. The trip has been approved by Mayor Giuliani, with New York taxpayers picking up the tab. August 29. In Jerusalem, Bernard Kerik assures Israeli leaders [nydailynews.com] that the NYPD is "on top of" all potential terrorist threats. See September 16, 2001 [slashdot.org] and November 8, 2007 [slashdot.org] for more on Kerik. September 4. The Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moves out of the WTC [historycommons.org] , transferring their HQ to Norfolk, Virginia. September 6. In the U.S. stock options market, an extraordinary proportion of trades [wtc7.net] are betting that the United Airlines price will fall. The put / call ratio is 25, i.e., "puts [investopedia.com] " are about 96.154 percent of the volume, and "calls" only 3.846 percent, as opposed to a typical 50:50 ratio. September 10. The Washington Times publishes details of a study by the Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS), which has this to say of Israel's Mossad [public-action.com] : "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown [sfgate.com] is warned not to fly the next day. An internal memo is sent around Goldman Sachs [counterpunch.org] in Tokyo, advising all employees of a possible terrorist attack against American buildings. Goldman Sachs is a Jewish [thejc.com] investment banking firm [raken.com] , with headquarters in Lower Manhattan [nytimes.com] close to the World Trade Center. In the U.S. stock options market, an extraordinary proportion of trades [wtc7.net] are betting that the American Airlines stock price will fall. The proportion of "put" options, at more than 80 percent, (85.79 percent at the Chicago Board Options Exchange, according to this source [wtc7.net] ) far exceeds the proportion of "call" options. September 11. Christopher Bollyn [blogspot.com] is driving through New York City [photobucket.com] in the early morning hours [photobucket.com] . Also in New York is Rudy Giuliani [wtc7.net] . Odigo, an Israeli instant messaging company with offices in Herzliya, Israel [haaretz.com] , provides two hours' advance warning of an attack on the World Trade Center [fpp.co.uk] . Also in Herzliya, which is where Chris Bollyn's first Jewish wife worked for Israeli military intelligence, is the "Interdisciplinary Center" (IDC). The IDC has close connections with Israeli intelligence [neoconeurope.eu] , and the Annual Herzliya Conference [israelnationalnews.com] Series is chaired [herzliyaconference.org] by Prof. Uzi Arad, [wikipedia.org] a former (1997-1999) foreign policy advisor to Benjamin Netanyahu [timesonline.co.uk] and head of research at the Mossad [neoconeurope.eu] , where he served for some twenty-five years [herzliyaconference.org] . At 9:00 a.m., officials at the National Reconnaissance Office, Chantilly, VA [boston.com] , start to run an exercise involving a plane crashing into a tower. Another drill is scheduled at the 97th floor of the WTC South Towe [historycommons.org] r where Fiduciary Trust has offices, and numerous other war games and exercises distract NORAD [prisonplanet.com] so that any truly hijacked (electronically or otherwise) planes cannot be intercepted in time. A group of Israelis, some of whom are Mossad agents [whatreallyhappened.com] , park their van and set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers [foxnews.com] . Uncharacteristically, Larry Silverstein does not breakfast at the Windows on the World restaurant [wikipedia.org] on the 106th and 107th floors of the North Tower that day since he has a "dermatologist's appointment" [boston.com] , and another consequence is that his two children, who work at Silverstein Properties, are running late. Silverstein's lucky streak is compounded when each Tower of the WTC complex - which he insured for $billions against terror attacks a mere six weeks ago - is struck by an aircraft in synchronized terror attacks. The Israelis dance and celebrate with high fives [antiwar.com] and cries of joy and mockery [wtc7.net] , even prior to the second impact as most onlookers still believe it has been a terrible accident [informatio...house.info] rather than terrorism. George W. Bush [historycommons.org] is informed by Andrew Card that a second plane has hit the WTC, and continues to read a story about a pet goat [whatreallyhappened.com] to schoolchildren as if nothing has happened. Each Tower completely collapses, mostly into its footprint. There is a remarkable correlation [911blogger.com] between the impact floors of each Tower that supposedly failed due to "fires", and those floors that had received fireproofing "upgrades", particularly in the case ofthe North Tower (WTC1). The steel was certified [wtc7.net] to ASTM E119 by Universal Laboratories [911review.com] . In subsequent tests to be sponsored by NIST on corresponding floor assemblies [nist.gov] subjected to greater heat exposure [209.85.229.132] and protected with less fireproofing than at the WTC [209.85.229.132] on 9/11, it will be found that the test specimens "were able to sustain the maximum design load [nist.gov] " without collapsing for as long as the tests were run: 2 to 3 1/2 hours). Within hours, Jerome Hauer [blogspot.com] goes on TV to tell everyone that [historycommons.org] "It... certainly has the fingerprints of somebody like bin Laden", and that the World Trade Center collapsed because of [prisonplanet.com] "the velocity of the plane" and "intense heat probably weakened the structure as well". Hauer reportedly advises the White House to start taking Cipro [911blogger.com] , an effective antibiotic against anthrax [wikipedia.org] . Five Israelis are arrested that afternoon [historycommons.org] after tie-ins [informatio...house.info] to the 9/11 attacks are found in their van, such as maps of the city with certain places highlighted. Bomb-sniffing dogs react [fpp.co.uk] as if the van has traces of explosives. Another team is caught attempting to blow up [blogspot.com] the George Washington Bridge [whatreallyhappened.com] with a truck packed with tons of explosives [cnn.com] . A "panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center [sjsu.edu] " is stopped, and found to contain yet another team [prisonplanet.com] of "ethnic Middle Eastern people [blogsome.com] " - i.e., Israelis [wtcdemolition.com] . There is evidence to suggest that this van exploded [blogsome.com] . Bush is whisked away to [petitiononline.com] the United States Strategic Command headquarters [wikipedia.org] at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska, where Warren Buffett is hosting his annual golf charity event [911review.org] . Ann Tatlock, the CEO of Fiduciary Trust Co. International, having been invited to this charity event, is, like the Silversteins, spared a fiery fate as a plane smashes into her company's offices right where 650 of her employees work [forbes.com] , killing 87 of them [usatoday.com] . Building 7, which was never struck by a plane, completely collapses [wtc7.net] into its footprint [ae911truth.org] despite the fact that any structural damage or weakening from fires would have been asymmetric [wtc7.net] . The initial WTC7 collapse is very close [wtc7.net] to free-fall [ae911truth.org] speed. There are many, many more "coincidences and oddities [911review.org] ".

The Pentagon Timeline

2000: March 3. It is reported that the Pentagon's finances are "in disarray" [greenspun.com] , and that in 1999 the Defense Department's accountants had to make almost $7 trillion in "adjustments" to try to reconcile bookkeeping discrepancies. They cannot show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those corrections. There are hundreds of computer systems running various military accounts, but these are not integrated, and the financial records are not up to accounting standards or capable of even facing an audit. It follows that the Pentagon would be vulnerable to a "terror attack" that destroyed the relevant computers and documents, also killing dozens of accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts [southcoasttoday.com] . A percentage of $2.3 trillion is still an inordinate amount of cash, and if a proportion went missing, the Pentagon Comptroller would be able to say, "We tried our best, but sadly, due to the terror attacks, we will never know exactly how much money is missing - or where it went".

2001: February. George W. Bush nominates Rabbi Zakheim [findarticles.com] to serve as Comptroller at the Pentagon and Under Secretary of Defense. May 4. Dov Zakheim is sworn in [zimbio.com] as Pentagon Comptroller and Chief Financial Officer [defenselink.mil] for the Department of Defense. May 31. Thomas E. White [wikipedia.org] - who went [irc-online.org] on JINSA trips [wikipedia.org] to Israel and who as former CEO at Enron is linked to the massive fraud [washingtonpost.com] there - is sworn in [defenselink.mil] as Secretary of the Army, thirty days after being nominated by George W. Bush. September 10. Steve Riskus creates the website domain criticalthrash.com [whois.net] . A group of top Pentagon officials [ratical.org] are warned not to fly the next day. Donald Rumsfeld confirms that $2.3 trillion of transactions [cbsnews.com] cannot be accounted for. September 11. Thomas White [thenation.com] , Paul Wolfowitz [usatoday.com] , Randy "Duke" Cunningham [cnn.com] and others are at a breakfast meeting with Donald Rumsfeld [historycommons.org] , in which the latter predicts that some kind of "shocking" world event will occur in the near future. The meeting is about to break up as the first plane slams into the North Tower. As the alleged Flight 77 is ten miles out from the Pentagon, a young man asks Vice President Cheney, "Do the orders still stand? [journalof911studies.com] " Cheney turns and whips his neck around and replies, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Since there are no shoot down orders in effect at 9:37:45 [wtc7.net] - the time of the Pentagon strike - or earlier, "the orders" are stand down [whatreallyhappened.com] rather than shoot down. Thomas White is at the Army Navy Country Club when, as he says, "the plane that hit the Pentagon came right over the top of the Army Navy Club and bounced down the hill and hit the side of the Pentagon" [pbs.org] . Steve Riskus allegedly sees a Boeing 757 featuring an "AA" logo with the eagle in the middle on the tail [ratical.org] crash into the Pentagon after screaming overhead at 530 mph [ntsb.gov] and knocking over a few light poles on the way. The domain criticalthrash.com subsequently carries Riskus' photos and other reports consistent with an AA jetliner [criticalthrash.com] , although most of these witnesses are employed in defense or in the media. In the afternoon, Donald Rumsfeld says, "My interest is to hit Saddam Hussein [rawstory.com] ", and orders his aides to plan for striking Iraq [cbsnews.com] .

The Post 9/11 Timeline

2001: September 12. U.S. officials say they have identified "all of the hijackers [usatoday.com] ", who very obligingly are found to have left numerous clues such as a copy of the Koran, a flight training video and a fuel consumption calculator in luggage [telegraph.co.uk] that supposedly failed to make the connection to the alleged Flight AA11, and Arabic language flight training manuals [baltimoresun.com] in a rented white Mitsubishi Mirage found at Boston's Logan airport late Tuesday the 11th. It is estimated that the conspiracy must have involved hundreds if not thousands [debka.com] , and, in an attempt to explain why Western intelligence was "oblivious" to the plot, it is suggested that Osama bin Laden planted agents inside the U.S. military and intelligence services. 17:06:44 UTC or 10:06:44 Pacific Daylight Time [wikipedia.org] . The domain markbingham.org [networksolutions.com] is created [photobucket.com] and, subsequently, the website is very rapidly [archive.org] developed by Daniel Chu [911blogger.com] of Telegraphic Designs [911movement.org] of Berkeley [archive.org] , California. Media Specialist [911movement.org] Lisa Radigonda, who, years later, is to be shown as the domain registrant, is the "Team Bingham public relations representative [dailycal.org] ". September 13. U.S. officials say they have identified "most of the hijackers [archive.org] ", believed to number eighteen. Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari, originally thought to be brothers, were suspected, but Adnan was found to be alive and living in Florida, and Ameer died in a small plane crash [enquirer.com] on September 11, 2000. Yet if those identities were stolen and were on the flight manifests, it would be remarkable if the authorities were able to trace the real identities of the individuals involved within, say, three days. For anyone in need of "Saudi suicide pilots" to frame as patsies, the deceased pilot Ameer Bukhari, a Saudi Arabian national of Vero Beach, Florida, would be an ideal choice provided they could keep the lid on the fact that he had died in the "wrong" year. It is reported [peopledaily.com.cn] that the Bukhari "brothers" rented a silver-blue Nissan Altima [fbi.gov] and drove from Boston to Portland, bizarrely only to fly back to Boston. Atta rented the Mitsubishi sedan found at Logan airport, and also had a red Pontiac registered in his name. There is a general ban on flights [wtc7.net] , which must be approved on a case-by-case basis. Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi ambassador to the U.S., meets George W. Bush [sky.com] . The authorities give permission for a private jet to fly around the U.S. picking up members of the bin Laden family [cbsnews.com] , which has business ties with the Bush family [aztlan.net] through the Carlyle Group [911review.org] . About 140 top Saudi official [wnd.com] s are on the plane. The Emperor's Clothes website runs a couple [archive.org] of articles skeptical of the official 9/11 story, including an interview [archive.org] between editor Jared Israel and Rudi Dekkers of Huffman Aviation. Don Radlauer, of the Interdisciplinary Center [idc.ac.il] at Herzliya, Israel (and formerly [typepad.com] - until 1997 [209.85.229.132] - of Weybridge [independent.co.uk] , Surrey, UK and of New York [tzemachdovid.org] ), publishes a report [ntwebweaver.com] detailing the flight paths of the alleged four hijacked planes. The report attempts to lend credibility to the official story with suggestions that hijacking and steering the planes would be an easy task - even though a rather diminutive non-pilot [nytimes.com] was said to have wrestled control [911hardfacts.com] of Flight 77 fr

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

starsky51 (959750) | about 2 years ago | (#42345409)

That's no fun. I'm pretty sure the OP is right and this is part of an insidious government plot to legitimise the use of terminator drones. Conspiracy!

Re:Conditioned Much? (-1, Troll)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#42345437)

Where is the conspiracy though? What of this is even slightly controversial? You're basically confirming my point by spazzing out and think that refutes it. Nice going there.

And I was asking. I am fully aware that it's more likely that people, as they do, instead of fighting something they should fight, turn it into a thing and a fad, a meme. I actually stated that possibility in my post. But that's no good for the purpose of your spazzing out and running away with a strawman, right? So good riddance to you transparent dumb fuck; next.

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42346943)

This is too dangerous. We need to ban the use and sale of legos. Some unstable individual could get his hands on some. We won't stop them all, but we must try.

Re:Conditioned Much? (0, Troll)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#42345455)

You'd have to give me citations there, because anything I could find on wikipedia and elsewhere doesn't tell me that at all. As far as I can tell a drone is a remote controlled flying thing. As in, RC. No constraints about wether it's controlled by onboard circuits, an external pilot, and no requirement of feeding back specific signals either. Thanks for at least trying though.

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42345733)

This guy has even given his a autopilot - in the video he hands control over to it, it flies completely out of sight and returns on its own a few minutes later.

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42346759)

"H-Ks"?

"Hunter-Killers."

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

somersault (912633) | about 2 years ago | (#42346443)

This thing has first person view using a headset from the ground. There's a holy fuckload of negativity around here. I think the project is pretty awesome, and I didn't expect any more than the frame to be made of lego after reading the summary..

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42346483)

Remotely piloted aircraft aren't drones. Drone has a very specific meaning which does not include the behavior of any remotely piloted aircraft. I suspect you are correct on the difference between those and RC planes however.

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42351907)

The remote is used to start it only or take over if something goes wrong, it flies to the waypoints, 3 of them then returns on its own, 100%

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42351823)

As an RC pilot myself I will say 100% this is a drone because this "could" fly out of line of site. But they did not because its not allowed under RC rules, if you notice the dad only flew in fields or on beach back a good distance away from people,

This is 100% a drone because it can fly anywhere on its own, battery lasting of course, without anyone needing to control it by the preload flight plan.

It looks to me like this guy was trying to follow current RC rules with his drone, if everyone did that this will be a good hobby and an educational thing for our kids future.

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42352067)

Read the description on the YouTube video

"Once we added the ArduCoptor board it became a 100% autonomous drone that can fly ob its own without human intervention, we only need the stick for take off or in case something went wrong and needed to take over. When the quad gets to its assigned first waypoint it just continues to all 3 and then back to launch point on its own, a real Drone."

Re:Conditioned Much? (3, Informative)

gencodeinc (2799377) | about 2 years ago | (#42352957)

Hi everyone, I am the dad in the video, I want to clear a couple things. !) It’s just an RC plane (Jonathan) Yes, in the beginning it 100% WAS but its not now, well more of a UAV than simple RC because of the FPV. Then about mid way we added the Arducoptor controller. Uploaded waypoints and it flew 100% on its own using a Mediatech GPS through 3 waypoints and back home so yes it’s a true drone now. It also can land on its own but right now it’s such a hard landing it broke the legs that’s why you see the blue tape in the back of one of the legs. It does take off on its own, but you must throw the throttle up a little to start it for safety. Once the stick is thrown even a little it takes up on its own, I asked my son to go a little over half way in case that something went wrong and I had to take manual control. A little over half way would guarantee that it’s still ascending and not crashing to earth. It is fully autonomous. 2) Its not 100% LEGOs. Well no, it not at all, and if you read the description on the YouTube you see I stated 100% LEGO Frame, that’s all. Mainly wanted to build a cheap strong frame with my kids. And I did and it was fun. 3) I used a CAD....um no, its LDD, LEGO Digital Designer, I guess its a kiddie CAD made by LEGO but its not AutoCad and actually the kids use it more than me. My son’s involvement was 100% build and about 100% helping with design of frame. Also oldest helped configure waypoints and flight plan. This is the autopilot system I used http://store.diydrones.com/APM_2_5_Assembled_p/br-apmpwrkt.htm [diydrones.com] [diydrones.com] You can get LDD here http://ldd.lego.com/ [lego.com] [lego.com] Hope this helps the confusion.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

clickclickdrone (964164) | about 2 years ago | (#42345369)

It does seem a strange choice of wording. Given that Lego resisted producing green bricks for years to stop kids making tanks etc, I'm not sure they'd be best pleased.

Re:Conditioned Much? (2)

mikael (484) | about 2 years ago | (#42346351)

They did use green - they had trees and stuff.

Not that the color really mattered to a kid. With regular bricks, you could make a delta wing fighter plane from the jumbo-jet wing sections. A missile defence system could be built from those 4x4 rotating turntables and a hinge joint. Use a couple of 8x1's or 8x2's for the missile and the sloping 2x1's for the missile wings.

As far as building tanks with Lego Technical kits, you could get the Technical Lego 856 Bulldozer [blogspot.no] . Strip the model down to a couple of long bars, axles, gears and the caterpillar treads, then add a couple of electric motors to drive each tread separately. Then with couple of battery packs, the whole tank could go at least 2 metres/second on carpet.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

clickclickdrone (964164) | about 2 years ago | (#42353017)

It was bricks they were avoiding in green. Obviously you could still make war machines. I used to make tanks, battleships, aircraft and guns

RTFA Much? (2)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | about 2 years ago | (#42345497)

The website is a UAV/UAS enthusiasts website, so of course they're going to use the terminology of UAVs. As for the drone part, it was only in the headline so an editor or sub-editor chose it. You know, an editor from a group of DRONE ENTHUSIASTS. So I think that you've answered your own question, it's to derive coolness from them. These are people with a hobby that may seem esoteric and uninteresting to many but they like to think that what they do is cool, just like any other sort of geek. Same as a tabletop RPG geek would normally say a "D20" instead of a "20 sided dice". You appear to see something wrong with that, maybe the problem is not with this article but instead with your perception of it.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about 2 years ago | (#42345743)

Is that to give legitimacy to extrajudicial killings, or is it to derive coolness from them?

Nothing new there. The military has always played with language to dehumanize the enemy and sanitize the process of killing other people. Think of all the words you never heard before Iraq/Afghanistan: "Insurgent", "IED", etc. What happened to "rebel" and "bomb"?

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

JohnRoss1968 (574825) | about 2 years ago | (#42347669)

TROLL. And no I didn't say that because I am butt-hurt (I'm not because I really could not care less for the opinion of a self centered paranoid person like yourself) I said it because it is true.
If you are so concerned about drones being used write your Congressman. And take off the tinfoil hat for a few. Its stopping the blood flow to what is left of your brain.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#42348223)

How is it trolling if I genuinely believe that calling this stuff "drones" is sucking murderer dick AT BEST, and that calling them unnmanned aerial vehicles is idiotic in any case?

You haven't even got the faintest clue what would constitute trolling, you just know it's an easy defense. Instead of dealing with what I said, make up a motivation for me saying it that allows you to weasel out.

The same goes for "flamebait": I don't pretend to despise you guys just to evoke a reaction, I truly think you're shit, basically. And deep down you know I have a point. "Your butthurt thing", it's so on cue. And even if I call it beforehand, you think you can say "this isn't being butthurt" while being butthurt. It's amazing.

If you are so concerned about drones being used write your Congressman

I'm not even American, you clown. And I think it's past writing letters anyway. Without civil (and hey, even military) disobedience America is fucked dead. I don't know what kind of rock you're living under but that's pretty much public knowledge since the circus you pulled after 9/11. I have plenty of crap in my country, naturally, and you know what I do when I have problems with newspeak stuff? I DON'T USE IT. And I laugh/bitch at people who do. Like, I address the problem where I find it.

As I did just know. And you don't like it, so you want to redirect me to something that does not address that problem at all. My problem with you lot is you being bootlickers, and if your administration changed without you overcoming that, you'd still be bootlickers in spe, nothing would have been solved at all.... while you stopping to be bootlickers would probably change a lot of things, and would make them more bearable until then.

And likewise: if you have such a problem with the questions I raised, why read it? The problem you have, your own stupidity, can much more easily avoided. Me ignoring extrajudicial killings isn't going to make them stop at all, so I prefer to call bootlickers out. That won't stop it either but at least I feel slightly less dirty for being ya'lls contemporary.

Oh, and tinfoil hat? You're just playing idiot bingo, aren't you.... so you're not even AWARE of the shit that is public knowledge, hasn't got shit to do with conspiracy theories, and is happening on your dime? You see, there is being ignorant, and there is being actively ignorant, which kind of makes one guilty of the things one chooses to ignore. Wouldn't want to be in your position, at all.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

sjames (1099) | about 2 years ago | (#42349339)

RC planes didn't have cameras and autopilots, drones do.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#42350553)

Got anything more than your word for that? I mean, I know it's what you think how the nomenclature works, but I couldn't find anything that actually supports this claim. For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle [wikipedia.org]

An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), commonly known as a drone, is an aircraft without a human pilot on board. Its flight is either controlled autonomously by computers in the vehicle, or under the remote control of a pilot on the ground or in another vehicle. [..] Historically, UAVs were simple remotely piloted aircraft, but autonomous control is increasingly being employed

[..]

Early UAVs used during the Vietnam War after launch captured video that was recorded to film or tape on the aircraft. These aircraft often were launched and flew either in a straight line or in preset circles collecting video until they ran out of fuel and landed. After landing, the film was recovered for analysis. Because of the simple nature of these aircraft, they were often called drones. As new radio control systems became available, UAVs were often remote controlled and the term "remotely piloted vehicle" came into vogue. Today's UAVs often combine remote control and computerized automation.

So, nope. You could upgrade an RC plane with cameras and autonomous control, and still call/consider it that no problem; they didn't suddenly cross a threshold that makes them different, just like drones were drones when they flew in a straight line. But people don't call them that, instead they adopt military slang, I ask why, people pucker up and there I have my answer ^^ But then again, "fragging" is actually rolling a grenade under the bed of your CO, not mashing buttons to explode pixels; so there's clearly a history of derp here.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

sjames (1099) | about 2 years ago | (#42350731)

Just as soon as you start coughing up paychecks, I'll start doing your research on these ever so critical topics for you.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#42351679)

What? You make a claim, I ask you to back it up, you say "no, pay me"? You got it upside down buddy. If you want me to take what you said seriously in the slightest, cough up an argument. Or just shut up in the first place, but don't bitch at me for doing the work for you and seeing it to an end you don't like. The fucking nerve, the comedy and idiocy of it.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

sjames (1099) | about 2 years ago | (#42355289)

Nope, you asked a question, I told you what I have observed for usage and suddenly you want a scholorly work on the subject. Sorry, no. This is NOT a debate, it was a discussion that you seem to be taking Waaaaayyyy too seriously.

So no, I really don't give a shit if you want to take me seriously or not.

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42352255)

Actually Johann your pretty ignorant on the subject.

Your correct it was RC until he added the Arducoptor board about half way through the video. Thats where they stop controlling it and changed to the flight planner, it became a drone once he added the Arducoptor board about half way through the video.

This is the flight planner used
http://code.google.com/p/arducopter/wiki/AC2_Waypoints

This is the board
http://store.diydrones.com/APM_2_5_Assembled_p/br-apmpwrkt.htm

and it flies on GPS for its waypoints.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about 2 years ago | (#42353897)

That's been brought up two times before, and both times it ended when I went "orly? can you actually back that up instead of just stating it?" e.g. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3328567&cid=42350553 [slashdot.org] Feel free to do better.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

gencodeinc (2799377) | about 2 years ago | (#42354081)

Hey Johann, Sure, Ill try to do a flight tomorrow after work, it still has the same flight plan in it. If not it won't bee until the weekend but it should be tomorrow after work assuming there are no games going on I should get it after work. Take a look at the Arducoptor boards, they are pretty cool, thats the one they also have autopilots for cars helicoprots etc. Here is one of our other drones, this one is capable of fully automated RTH, or return to home, but not waypoints http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0PVfMl6c5I [youtube.com] And no we don't want to hurt anyone, being a developer I feel that the future will bring more automation like in cars and farming and planes. I only did this with my kids to get them a head start in life. They learned a lot from design to development and helped every step of the way.

Re:Conditioned Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42354249)

Here you go, this 100% proves that it is a drone or fully autonomous lego frame
This clearly shows it has a ardu auto pilot system and GPS as I mentioned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlnmT2TFGr4

It was very windy today or we would have flown today, we wont fly if people are on the field or raining.
But hope that helps prove it.

Just go to DIY Drones, there is even a guy that flew an autopilot with his LEGO NTX board....pretty neat stuff.

Re:Conditioned Much? (1)

gencodeinc (2799377) | about 2 years ago | (#42356223)

If you notice in the shorter version on the video that only shows the Ardupilot flight the lego is flying autonomously When I pan back the choper is a dot, there is no way a human can fly that unless using FPV, we were not using FPV although it is equipped with one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HbKz9hl6CQ [youtube.com]

Johann Lau is WRONG (1)

gencodeinc (2799377) | about 2 years ago | (#42377575)

Here is another example of it running the waypoints without the controller. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx-Qz7eXAyk [youtube.com] Maybe you should take 5 min and look at the DIY Drones http://diydrones.com/ [diydrones.com] and see how many people are making Drones that actually fly themselves, not just simple RC controlled planes, these things fly themselves, take off and land themselves based on preprogrammed waypoints. Call it a drone, autopilot flying machines or whatever. These also log full telemetry about the flight too that can be played back on google earth, there not your fathers RC planes anymore. Hope that helps your understanding of an RC plane and todays modern drone for the consumer.

Drone == automated, RC == remote pilot. (1)

mjwx (966435) | about 2 years ago | (#42354887)

Last millenium weq had RC planes and shit. Why call them drones now?

I use drones, you can call them RC planes or model planes (as we do in Australia), I wont get upset.

To me the difference is a drone is autonomous whilst an RC plane requires continuous input from a remote pilot.

With our drone, we program it with a flight path and parameters and it does it's thing with little or no input from the user. We do manual take off and landings via remote but once it reaches the starting co-ords we flip it into automatic mode. The biggest usage we have for them is to take aerial photo's we can program them with the co-ords for each photo and let it's do it's thing. We used to use expensive manned planes and helicopters for this (Australian rules requires any externally fixed device to be certified by aircraft engineers, which is bloody expensive so putting the same camera inside a model plane designed for it is a lot cheaper), the drone is surprisingly accurate in comparison.

Re:Drone == automated, RC == remote pilot. (1)

gencodeinc (2799377) | about 2 years ago | (#42355199)

We also have a NAZA controller but it does not do waypoints, it does a RTH full autonomously and with accuracy within ac couple feet. This LEGO one has automated flight, we automated it about half way through the video using the Ardupilot and GPS and it does do waypoints It did 3 waypoints on its own, if you see the last part of the video it was way to far for me to fly maybe a landing but thats it. In the USA the main rules are dont fly over places or around people and keep line of site. Granted I could have used the FPV but then there is no reason to buy the board. Here is the GPS/Board config http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlnmT2TFGr4 [youtube.com]

Re:Drone == automated, RC == remote pilot. (1)

mjwx (966435) | about 2 years ago | (#42356509)

We also have a NAZA controller but it does not do waypoints

We kind of need to do waypoints as we use it for aerial photography and remote sensing, the more accurate the positioning when we take the photo the less work required to mosaic them later. One of the drones we use is the Yamaha RMAX helicopter that can carry 20 KG, the other is a custom built (basically a kit built) petrol powered plane using a MicroPilot 2028G that can carry just under 30 KG, 20 KG is enough to lift any of our sensing packages (mostly regular and IR cameras but we can get LIDAR units for clients that request them).

Expensive setup, but this is for a business.

nothing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42345331)

Thats nothing. I worked on a project where we used lego mindstorm to guide a laser for lasik.

That's... (0)

jhesse (138516) | about 2 years ago | (#42345353)

Actually pretty lame.

I mean, not only did he use a CAD program for a box with 4 arms, it doesn't even look "cool"... No lego fins, etc. Not even a minifig in a cockpit. It looks like every other quad-copter.

Re:That's... (1)

Plazmid (1132467) | about 2 years ago | (#42345779)

He's not even using all Lego parts. And yes, there are indeed Lego propellors out there capable of generating propulsive thrust. And yes, you can even use an NXT smart brick to control a UAV.

But, worst of all it looks like he's committed one of deadliest Lego sins: irreversible modification of Lego bricks. How else are those motors staying on there?

Re:That's... (2)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 2 years ago | (#42346087)

The true lego propellers I've seen would never be able to produce any thrust. The NXT + motors would be too heavy for it to fly, too.
Don't get me wrong, it'd be massively cool, but just sounds unfeasible using all Lego.

Re:That's... (1)

91degrees (207121) | about 2 years ago | (#42346101)

Okay, but that's why a Lego copter would have been impressive. Because we think it's impossible. Building a copter with a few Lego parts is nice, I guess but not as impressive as the article suggests.

Re:That's... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42346067)

Why on earth would an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle need a cockpit?

Re:That's... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42346161)

Because it's female?

Re:That's... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42346243)

Why is his doing something like this with his grandkids pretty lame? Seriously - he wasn't doing it for your approval and for you to be insulting to him (its not like he asked to be on slashdot) is a bit rude. What emotion inside you drove you to make that comment?

I applaud his work with his grandkids..

Re:That's... (1)

jimshatt (1002452) | about 2 years ago | (#42347823)

My granddad used to build stuff for me and repair bikes and such. Doing cool stuff with your grandkids while you still can. I guess some people don't have nice granddads and can only say "lame" all the time. Pretty lame.

Re:That's... (1)

jhesse (138516) | about 2 years ago | (#42348425)

It wasn't a comment on what he does with his grandkids. That's great and all that.

It was a comment on this being newsworthy, when the application of Lego was quite underwhelming.

Re:That's... (1)

gencodeinc (2799377) | about 2 years ago | (#42352881)

The reason why we used the Lego Digital Designer (LDD) was used was to teach my kids how to use a CAD. Remember this is a Kiddie Cad and these are 7-11 year olds. I am actually an AutoCad registered developer and I wanted to teach my kids some things. The LDD also lets us order the exact right amount of bricks and colors, it also creates an excel spread sheet. The kids learned a lot even what excel can do on a basic level/ People please look at this from a kids learning perspective not an adult, this project was never meant for a 35 year old. It was to teach my kids a new technology and an introduction from start to finish in robotics and flight. Again, it is 100% autonomous.

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42345405)

Could replace the legos with a few pairs of sticks...and have the same functionality.

Taco Copter (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42345461)

I withhold my praise for the day when a quad-copter delivers delicious Mexican fare to me by homing in on my cell phone's GPS reports.

Re:Taco Copter (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 years ago | (#42347657)

I think there is an old McDonald's TV commercial where a boy drives a R/C car alone into the restaurant, with a piece of cardboard that has his order written on.

I made thing like the other things, but different (2)

louaish88 (731196) | about 2 years ago | (#42345489)

Duurrrrrr, unlike those other people that made things out of other things, I made this thing out of Lego. See, completely different and newsworthy. It's not like I built a car out of steel then made a slightly different car out of carbon fiber. I took it another step. I used another thing for the thing instead. Get it? I used one thing in a place where you would not think the thing would be.

Re:I made thing like the other things, but differe (1)

deroby (568773) | about 2 years ago | (#42345887)

Ah, but he did it using a computer ! Totally different thing !

Re:I made thing like the other things, but differe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42354475)

The Ardupilot will accept a ground station allowing flying from a computer, but thats more $$$, we may add it later, it lets you fly from a joystick or logitec controller.

This was a test to try out the automation nothing more.

Fucking Lego (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42346597)

I built a fully functional cruise missile. But I did it using Megablox, so no one cared.

He must annoy his kids (4, Funny)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | about 2 years ago | (#42345509)

"Daaaaaaad, stop taking my legos!!!"
"Sorry champ, Daddy has dreams."

lego frame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42345513)

I was expecting lego motors and mindstorms controller.

Got simple frame with normal RC components attached. If I make a frame out of coat hangers, is it a coat hanger quadrotor?

Re:lego frame (1)

gencodeinc (2799377) | about 2 years ago | (#42354573)

There is a plane with a mindstorm controller, its pretty cool

I'm a long-time Lego fan and ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42345535)

... I think it's a poor design, could have been much better with Lego Technics hollowed parts, much lighter and stronger, and better looking.
And that's not counting that many other materials (carbon, aluminium, even wood) are so much better for this kind of machine,

Re:I'm a long-time Lego fan and ... (1)

mikael (484) | about 2 years ago | (#42346415)

The goal of the project was to build a quadcopter with low-cost replaceable parts. If you have a one piece wood or carbonfibre chassis, and something breaks, that's the whole chassis needing replacing. If the quadcopter is made from modular parts, that's a bit better, but you would still need to purchase custom replacement parts if they break. Build the quadcopter chassis out of RV parts and regular bricks, you can buy a bucket of them for $50.

design it into an Owl, (1)

RedHackTea (2779623) | about 2 years ago | (#42345543)

make millions selling it as a Harry Potter toy. Then use the Arducopter he already has setup to fly to their friends' houses. Hell, you could trade 128-bit friend codes so that it automatically allows friends to download their "home" GPS position, just leave it out at night so that it can deliver the messages.

Re:design it into an Owl, (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42345723)

"Young boy blinded today as friends Lego(tm) based flying machine smashes through bedroom window"

it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (5, Insightful)

Herve5 (879674) | about 2 years ago | (#42345757)

... as far as I can see, the only thing Lego in this quadcopter is the plastic structure. Motors are not, batteries are not, control electronics are not, RF and presumably remote control are not, servomotors are not.

So are we discussing a "drone using some lego bricks for the structure"?

H.
now mod me down, but remember I'm 50: at home I have older bricks than you (in addition to the vast amount aggregated by three sons)

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (5, Insightful)

Kyusaku Natsume (1098) | about 2 years ago | (#42346035)

I think this is a neat hack in the best sense of "hack", since they already had the bricks and the quadcopter parts. Plus, since it was designed by the kids, I will cut them some slack. Still, I would like to see the next, stronger, lighter and not glued version using Lego Technic beams. There is too much room for improvement :).

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (4, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#42346413)

now mod me down, but remember I'm 50: at home I have older bricks than you (in addition to the vast amount aggregated by three sons)

Holy shit, I'm only 35 and I can use this insult all day, every day. Thanks.

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (1)

Smallpond (221300) | about 2 years ago | (#42346637)

I have two sons and the Lego scars on the bottoms of my feet to prove it.

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#42347561)

I have two sons and the Lego scars on the bottoms of my feet to prove it.

I don't have any kids, but I still have Legos. Now if only I had room to bring them out and do something with them. I would sell them if only I thought I could get any decent percentage of money back out of them, because I'd be glad if some kid(s) somewhere were getting enjoyment out of them. I've let a lot of stuff go cheap but my Lego is not on that list :)

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#42350643)

Give them to some poor kids. No point in letting them waste your space.

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (1)

I Mean, What (2778851) | about 2 years ago | (#42350737)

Try donating them. If you were really concerned with some kid somewhere getting enjoyment out of them you wouldn't be thinking of your own personal gain first.

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42351121)

You can sell individual parts on bricklink.com. Classic bricks can be quite pricey. Transparent yellow plates from classic space lego sets (Galaxy Explorer) are a good example. You could contact one of the sellers there and probably get a fair price for your entire collection.

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (1)

gencodeinc (2799377) | about 2 years ago | (#42355037)

Yes, the top and bottom part was hard to find, we had to get them on ebay

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (1)

IwantToKeepAnon (411424) | about 2 years ago | (#42349139)

... as far as I can see, the only thing Lego in this quadcopter is the plastic structure. Motors are not, batteries are not, control electronics are not, RF and presumably remote control are not, servomotors are not.

From the summary:

after damaging his Gaui 330x, got the idea of designing and building a Lego quadcopter. And it worked! 'Most people go to their favourite hobby store to get parts for their UAV, I go to my kids playroom.

What part about "after damaging" and "get parts" didn't you understand?

Also, please share your plans to build a battery using only legos; I think we'd all be interested.

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (1)

the agent man (784483) | about 2 years ago | (#42349555)

I completely agree. All the mission critical parts are NOT Lego.

Re:it's not to boil enthousiasm down, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42351329)

Without s frame you cant fly, its 100% mission critical. Glue 2 legos together with model glue, bet you cant take them apart

Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42346231)

Not only did he design something cool and do some great programming - he inspired his grandkids to do more with their legos. First Class!

Armament (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42346293)

Can it carry Lego® missiles to kill Lego®-Taliban?

Your kids must love you (1)

LoRdTAW (99712) | about 2 years ago | (#42346379)

"Most people go to their favorite hobby store to get parts for their UAV, I go to my kids playroom."

Dick.

Breaking the bank much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42347105)

Out of Lego? Wouldn't it have been cheaper just to buy a Predator drone?

He is cheating... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42347411)

Neither motors nor propellers are Lego parts.

On the other hand, yes I do think the kids loves him... he is playing with them and building really cool stuff.

I am the dad in the video, this is a Drone not RC (1)

gencodeinc (2799377) | about 2 years ago | (#42352625)

Hi everyone, I am the dad in the video, I want to clear a couple things. !) It’s just an RC plane (Jonathan) Yes, in the beginning it 100% WAS but its not now, well more of a UAV than simple RC because of the FPV. Then about mid way we added the Arducoptor controller. Uploaded waypoints and it flew 100% on its own using a Mediatech GPS through 3 waypoints and back home so yes it’s a true drone now. It also can land on its own but right now it’s such a hard landing it broke the legs that’s why you see the blue tape in the back of one of the legs. It does take off on its own, but you must throw the throttle up a little to start it for safety. Once the stick is thrown even a little it takes up on its own, I asked my son to go a little over half way in case that something went wrong and I had to take manual control. A little over half way would guarantee that it’s still ascending and not crashing to earth. It is fully autonomous. 2) Its not 100% LEGOs. Well no, it not at all, and if you read the description on the YouTube you see I stated 100% LEGO Frame, that’s all. Mainly wanted to build a cheap strong frame with my kids. And I did and it was fun. 3) I used a CAD....um no, its LDD, LEGO Digital Designer, I guess its a kiddie CAD made by LEGO but its not AutoCad and actually the kids use it more than me. My son’s involvement was 100% build and about 100% helping with design of frame. Also oldest helped configure waypoints and flight plan. This is the autopilot system I used http://store.diydrones.com/APM_2_5_Assembled_p/br-apmpwrkt.htm [diydrones.com] You can get LDD here http://ldd.lego.com/ [lego.com] Hope this helps the confusion.

Loving Legos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42354353)

I'm sure he could have found other materials to make his quad copter from. Legos are kind of expensive for that purpose.

Big Deal (1)

slick7 (1703596) | about 2 years ago | (#42354561)

We have a bunch of corporate drones ruining...er...I mean running this sector of the planet.

Toy quads! (1)

cciRRus (889392) | about 2 years ago | (#42355557)

If the Lego quad interests you, you might want to check out V929, V939, V949, or V959. These toy grade quadcopters are dirt cheap. You can get one online for less than 50 bucks and they fly really well.
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