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iOS 6 Adoption Rates Soar Following Google Maps Release

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the incentive-directions dept.

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redletterdave writes "The Dec. 12 reinstatement of Google Maps on iOS has apparently been enough for some of those reluctant users to finally make the upgrade to iOS 6. According to MoPub, the San Francisco-based mobile ad exchange that monitors more than 1 billion ad impressions a day and supports more than a dozen ad networks and 12,000 apps, there has been a 29 percent increase in unique iOS 6 users in the past five days following Google Maps' release on iOS. In fact, MoPub reports a 13 percent increase in iOS 6 users from last Monday to Wednesday alone, which would mean that nearly half of the converts to iOS 6 in the past week switched the very moment Google Maps' standalone app hit the App Store."

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Great! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355465)

Now how about getting the version for iPads too?

Re:Great! (-1, Flamebait)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#42357417)

Since Google is all about open why not just download the source code to the Maps application and build it yourself?

Re:Great! (2)

bfandreas (603438) | about 2 years ago | (#42357445)

You may find that the map material is where it is at. And that is not free.

Re:Great! (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#42357631)

I see. Maybe it can be pointed to OpenStreetMap.

Re:Great! (1)

bn-7bc (909819) | about 2 years ago | (#42357785)

hmm just one tiny problem, in places OpenStreetmap is even worse than apple maps. I live in arendal (se costa of Norway) and å lot of streets are missing completely, and adress inf is non existent. I have actualy contibuted a fex steets but putting in all the address info is just to time consuming.

Re:Great! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42357477)

Hey anonymous coward, wasn't it you last week that said Android tablets suck because they only have phone apps that are auto resized for tablets?

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42357781)

They're already working on that too, they just prioritised it on iPhones first because maps are a hell of a lot more useful on a phone than a tablet you only use at home/office.

China (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355483)

Does this take into account the fact that the iPhone was released in China last weekend and may have caused a spike?

Re:China (5, Informative)

adamstew (909658) | about 2 years ago | (#42355627)

This article from an iOS advertising platform company pretty much confirms that: http://insights.chitika.com/2012/ios-6-adoption-post-google-maps/ [chitika.com]

Basically, when google maps was released for iOS 6, their data shows that it had no immediate impact on iOS 6 adoption and continued to have no impact for 5 days afterwards. Once the iPhone 5 was released in China, then there was a nice little spike in iOS 6 usage.

Basically, if you look at it week-by-week, it could look like Google Maps caused a spike in iOS 6 adoption, but when you look at it day-by-day it tells a different story.

Re:China (2)

andydread (758754) | about 2 years ago | (#42355841)

Holy frigging truth Batman.....you busted their BS wide open.

Re:China (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42356795)

Since we're already raining on the Google parade, here are some more hard truths in platform adoption...

http://thenextweb.com/google/2012/12/04/android-jelly-bean-hits-6-7-adoption-ics-27-5-but-gingerbread-still-on-over-half-of-devices/ [thenextweb.com]

It's time we face it, this sucks. :/

Re:China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42356975)

Why would someone mod this down?

Re:China (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about 2 years ago | (#42357079)

Because it's entirely off-topic?

Re:China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42357099)

Yeah right. The adoption rate of Androids releases is "entirely off-topic" in an article about adoption rate of Apple iOS releases.

Re:China (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about 2 years ago | (#42357153)

For this particular topic, yeah, it is.

Re:China (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | about 2 years ago | (#42356439)

Perhaps people waited.

Take me, for example. I downloaded the new Google Maps when it came out on December 14th. But it's not like I immediately upgraded to iOS 6. I did that this past Monday, December 17th.

Hell, I'm not going to risk upgrading until I actually make sure things are going to work. I know, call me crazy...

Re:China (1, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 years ago | (#42357325)

I upgraded eons ago and never regretted it. Apple Maps is actually not as bad as people made it to be, and Google Maps was always available through Safari anyways. This is all just FUD and people being afraid of something nonexistent.

Re:China (3, Informative)

AlecC (512609) | about 2 years ago | (#42358195)

I would guess you are in the US, where it isn't that bad. Near me, in the well populated southern UK, it has lost one and displaced one of the significant towns in my immediate area - places I frequently visit. The latter is the place I nominally live - where I pay my local taxes. Obviously, because I know my own patch pretty well, I don't need to map these places. But it means my confidence in it mapping a place I don't know is essentially zero,

post hoc ergo propter hoc (5, Interesting)

tverbeek (457094) | about 2 years ago | (#42355715)

Post hoc ergo propter hoc strikes again.

Re:China (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42359285)

The Techcrunch retraction [techcrunch.com] :

"[Update: One fact that may confound this data is that roughly 2 million iPhone 5s went online in China over the say timespan as the study analyzed, and they may have contributed to the increased iOS 6 traffic data. However, those phones aren't likely enough to account for the entire boost in iOS 6 traffic to MoPub-partnered apps.]"

No it didnt (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355485)

Ummm no it didn't. It was because of the iPhone being released in China. Check Macrumors (where I saw the original and correction).

Re:No it didnt (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355531)

Why do mac fanbois always start their posts with "Ummm"?

Re:No it didnt (-1, Flamebait)

ThatFunkyMunki (908716) | about 2 years ago | (#42355699)

and why do they always like the smell of their own farts??

Re:No it didnt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42356239)

ummm... why is there always some asshat troll thinking they sound intelligent when they're that stupid?

Well Intentioned (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355911)

Why do mac fanbois always start their posts with "Ummm"?

That's how you start any correction when speaking to a simple-minded idiot, it adds the proper amount of derision to the response.

Re:No it didnt (5, Informative)

tverbeek (457094) | about 2 years ago | (#42355691)

Wrong! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42358701)

This "study" is basically a graph with no source and no numbers backing it.

The OP was about an ad agency monitoring real time traffic. Which one would you rather believe? Apple shills trying to discredit Google or real-time traffic?

Re:No it didnt (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355995)

iPhone was only released in China because Google Maps became available for it.

Re:No it didnt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42356399)

actually Apple maps is far superior to google in china as Apple got their data from the best source for the area while googles data sorta sucks.

Re:No it didnt (0)

isorox (205688) | about 2 years ago | (#42356729)

iPhone was only released in China because Google Maps became available for it.

It would have launched earlier, but the UPS guy got sent to Peru.

Rumour has it he's under arrest for stealing one of the phones.

And how.... (1)

tanveer1979 (530624) | about 2 years ago | (#42358137)

did you think Apple found china? By using google maps of course

I almost waited (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355487)

But I didn't want to chance the security vulns iOS6 fixed over iOS5

Re:I almost waited (1)

somersault (912633) | about 2 years ago | (#42357831)

Yet you weren't worried at all about the ones it created? That seems a bit shortsighted.

So? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355489)

What I find most interesting about this is that those tens of millions of users would rather wait for Google Maps than subject themselves to the virus laden, good-app-free crap hole that is Lamedroid.

Timing? It's probably a coincidence. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355511)

Let's not forget that this their last week on earth, so why not splurge a little?

Such a great love for Google Maps (1)

Bangmaker (1420175) | about 2 years ago | (#42355519)

I do tend to wonder, if Google Maps is so pivotal to the widespread adoption of iOS 6, would we begin to see a lot of people moving toward Android phones if Google removed their maps from the iOS App Store? I know Google Maps (and its turn-by-turn navigation) was a very important feature when considering purchasing my own phone.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355549)

I do tend to wonder, if Google Maps is so pivotal to the widespread adoption of iOS 6, would we begin to see a lot of people moving toward Android phones if Google removed their maps from the iOS App Store?

I know Google Maps (and its turn-by-turn navigation) was a very important feature when considering purchasing my own phone.

No we wouldn't, because your premise is flawed. The new influx of iOS 6 users is due to the fact that the phone was just released in China a week ago.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355565)

Probably not, while it would cause an inconvenience, people will still be able to access Google Map through their browsers, like they've been doing since iOS6 came out.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355697)

And if we really want, we can eat spaghetti through our nose. But it's awkward, uncomfortable, and messy.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (4, Insightful)

erice (13380) | about 2 years ago | (#42355571)

I do tend to wonder, if Google Maps is so pivotal to the widespread adoption of iOS 6, would we begin to see a lot of people moving toward Android phones if Google removed their maps from the iOS App Store?

We might, but Google is under significant anti-trust scrutiny so I doubt they would actually try it. I also doubt that it would be in Google's interest. Google doesn't make much (if anything) off of Android. Its purpose is to funnel mobile users to Google services like Google Maps.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (4, Interesting)

rockout (1039072) | about 2 years ago | (#42355655)

Also, many people in the US might be waiting for their contracts to expire before moving to an Android phone from the iPhone. I'm taking a wild guess and I'm obviously biased because I happen to be one of those people, but I can't be the only one. I'm also looking to switch providers and paying $350 to do so before my contract is up is unappetizing to me. So, maybe you'll see a more drawn-out move to Android in the next year or so. Who knows? I can only speak for myself, and that's what I'm doing - was considering it for a while and the Apple Maps fiasco was really the last straw.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355745)

This. If I didn't still have 6 months left on my contract with Verizon on my iPhone 4, I'd have bought the Nexus 4 on day one. Google Maps was fully half that equation (public transit directions are absolutely critical for me on a smartphone); having grown accustomed to my Nexus 7 being the other. As it is, even with the standalone Google Maps app it'll be a tough call between buying the Nexus 4, staying with the iPhone 4, or buying the iPhone 5 come time my contract is up. So far the latter is seeming to be the least likely option and the former the most.

If you really care about transit IOS is far better (5, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#42356057)

public transit directions are absolutely critical for me on a smartphone

If you really feel that way, you will be far better served using iOS going forward.

I have used Google Transit a LOT over the years. When you use it in multiple cities, or for a long time every day, you grow to realize that the data it's giving you is mediocre. Yes it generally works but it's often out of touch with the way buses are really running, and if you investigate where the data comes from it's all static files updated infrequently by the metro companies in each city.

A third party app can cover cities much better, integrating more deeply into the existing metro data stream. There's already an app for iOS called simply Transit [tapone.ca] (careful, more than one exist) that seems to have the same coverage Google Transit does, and has better presentation of transit data than Google. You not only get a list of possible transit combinations with stops and walking, but it also adds extra details like "this one is slower but has less walking". When scrolling through the segments of the selected route Transit does a great job of showing the route on the map, giving you the estimated departure and arrival times for the bus picking you up and dropping you off.

So already iOS users get better transit directions than Google Maps gives you, and the transit situation on iOS will only get better as time goes by. With Apple directing people to third party apps there is a TON of motivation to build a really good custom metro app for every city because customers will be herded right to your app outside the crowded app store.

It's funny that so many people talk about how Apple should allow you to chose a browser or mail client (which would be useful) but then claim it's pointless or unnecessary to have a map where you can chose the best application to give you transit directions. Why should that area be immune from letting third parties do a better job, especially when it's just not possible to do the best job for every city across the globe?

Especially combined with the trick of asking Siri "Take me to *LocationX* via transit" you have simple one-click transit routing to anywhere quickly and with the best transit directions you can get.

Re:If you really care about transit IOS is far bet (2, Insightful)

erice (13380) | about 2 years ago | (#42356181)

It's funny that so many people talk about how Apple should allow you to chose a browser or mail client (which would be useful) but then claim it's pointless or unnecessary to have a map where you can chose the best application to give you transit directions. Why should that area be immune from letting third parties do a better job, especially when it's just not possible to do the best job for every city across the globe?

Unlike Apple, Google doesn't block third party apps that compete with its own services and there *are* third party mapping programs on Android.

They exist but are lost (2, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#42356287)

Unlike Apple, Google doesn't block third party apps that compete with its own services

Apple doesn't do that any more either. There are scores of map, mail and browser apps in the App Store.

They may be limiting the number of fart apps, a great loss to the market I'm sure.

there *are* third party mapping programs on Android.M

And they will suck utterly compared to the third party transit apps on iOS, because they are lost in the middle of all the other applications. With Google providing you mediocre transit data in Maps and not showing you better alternatives, how many people will search out transit apps?

Meanwhile Apple directs users in a geographic region (city) to specific applications that can help them. That means as an app developer you are far more likely to earn back the cost of developing a great transit app even for a medium sized metro area.

We have seen a huge increase in the quality of metro apps on iOS in just a matter of months, exactly because of this effect. This effect will multiply rapidly on iOS while on Android very few developers will bother to try and compete against Google on transit.

Re:They exist but are lost (3, Insightful)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 years ago | (#42357383)

They may be limiting the number of fart apps, a great loss to the market I'm sure.

When I can download another browser I'll agree with you. Until then this post screams of closing your eyes, sticking fingers in your ears and going "lalala"

Re:They exist but are lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42357475)

What? There are many in the app store. Try searching, dimwit.

Re:They exist but are lost (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#42357635)

They may be limiting the number of fart apps, a great loss to the market I'm sure.

When I can download another browser I'll agree with you. Until then this post screams of closing your eyes, sticking fingers in your ears and going "lalala"

There's a small software and search company called "Google" that has an alternative browser on the App Store. It's called Chrome. Maybe you've heard of it?

http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/mobile/ios.html [google.com]

Re:They exist but are lost (2)

samoanbiscuit (1273176) | about 2 years ago | (#42358081)

Surely you realize that's just a wrapper around an iOS service? You are either disingenuously misinterpreting the GP to discredit their criticism, or really have no clue about the state of competing browsers on iOS (ie, there are none, only wrappers and bookmark/history syncing).

Re:They exist but are lost (1)

dimeglio (456244) | about 2 years ago | (#42358433)

So Google Chrome is not Google Chrome because it runs on iOS?

Re:They exist but are lost (1)

samoanbiscuit (1273176) | about 2 years ago | (#42358509)

It's not the "real" Google Chrome because it's blocked from using it's own fork of WebKit, and cannot use a javascript JIT compiler (neither the builtin Nitro engine, nor any third party one).

Re:They exist but are lost (0)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#42358441)

Surely you realize that's just a wrapper around an iOS service? You are either disingenuously misinterpreting the GP to discredit their criticism, or really have no clue about the state of competing browsers on iOS (ie, there are none, only wrappers and bookmark/history syncing).

It's an app built on the WebKit engine provided on iOS, yes, but that's not what the OP said.

He said:

When I can download another browser I'll agree with you.

So, would you agree that Safari and Chrome are two different browsers, even if they both use the same WebKit API?

Alternatively there are other browsers on iOS that offload the rendering to a remote server and don't use WebKit, but I figured "Chrome vs Safari" was an easy enough distinction to make given that the criterion was "a different browser [to Safari]".

I have to wonder how you can say there are "no competing" browsers on iOS, just because most of the browsers on iOS share the common rendering engine.

I guess Samsung's Android phones are not competing with HTC's Android phones. I mean, they share a common OS, right? They're the same thing!

Re:They exist but are lost (3, Informative)

samoanbiscuit (1273176) | about 2 years ago | (#42358495)

No actually, Chrome on iOS uses a slower (and less powerful) version of the webkit engine than Safari does. More specifically, Chrome on iOS is blocked from using the Nitro javascript engine that Safari has access to, and is not allowed to use it's own javascript JIT compiler, due to Apple's guidelines. So no, Chrome on iOS is a shadow of it's form on other platforms. This basically means that Safari remains by design, and not by chance, the best and most performant browser on iOS.

Re:They exist but are lost (0)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#42358619)

No actually, Chrome on iOS uses a slower (and less powerful) version of the webkit engine than Safari does. More specifically, Chrome on iOS is blocked from using the Nitro javascript engine that Safari has access to, and is not allowed to use it's own javascript JIT compiler, due to Apple's guidelines. So no, Chrome on iOS is a shadow of it's form on other platforms. This basically means that Safari remains by design, and not by chance, the best and most performant browser on iOS.

So, what you;re saying is that it's a different browser? Thus fulfilling the OP's request for, quote:

When I can download another browser I'll agree with you.

I'm not seeing how there can simultaneously be no competition between browsers on iOS because "they're all the same" but also be... different.

Also, the speed difference between the JS engines was down to the way the security model and sandboxing was set up - the newer, faster engine (ie, the same one Safari uses) was put into the public API at a later time. The speed parity did not last long. The same issue affected web apps that you could add to your homescreen (from within Safari). When they were launched from the home screen they used the older engine and were slower.

So, again. The OP asked for a different browser. I provided an example. I was then told that example didn't count because it used the Webkit API. Now you're telling me it *is* actually different, but that it still doesn't count as a different browser because it might be slower than Safari?

You haters ought to get together and discuss what FUD you're going to spread. I pays to be consistent.

Re:They exist but are lost (1)

samoanbiscuit (1273176) | about 2 years ago | (#42358877)

You haters ought to get together and discuss what FUD you're going to spread. I pays to be consistent.

Stop playing semantic games and just admit that there are no real alternative browsers, only wrappers around Apple's version of webkit, or some Frankensteinian monstrosity that offloads processing to the server.. Anyway, I joined this conversation to make a point and now must leave it point made, whether or not the recipient of my words understood them.

Re:They exist but are lost (1)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#42359089)

You haters ought to get together and discuss what FUD you're going to spread. I pays to be consistent.

Stop playing semantic games and just admit that there are no real alternative browsers, only wrappers around Apple's version of webkit, or some Frankensteinian monstrosity that offloads processing to the server.. Anyway, I joined this conversation to make a point and now must leave it point made, whether or not the recipient of my words understood them.

Haha. So arguments that you disagree with are "semantic games".

Ok, kid.

Now we're talking about no "real" alternatives, whereas before it was "there are NO alternatives".

*aims for the goal*

*goalposts move*

*oops!*

Intellectual dishonesty at its finest; move the goalposts after the fact and then declare my argument invalid based on the new criteria. You can do better.

Re:If you really care about transit IOS is far bet (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42356309)

First look at how many map and map related titles there are for iOS and then tell me again how they're being blocked. There are almost too many to choose from. The selection is quite granular.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355827)

fiasco? i dunno, i think it's a little overblown. i've used maps since it came out and haven't had any problems, and i really love the interface and the look of the maps. but maybe i'm just in a location apple maps happens to cover well.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355961)

You could be right - there must have been other reasons for Scott Forstall being shown the door along with Rich Williamson.
Since you haven't had any problem with iOS maps, why don't you write to Mr Cook and demand he make a public apology for his public apology regarding iOS maps. Fiasco? No way. Mr Cook is wrong, iOS maps is a great product - the nerve of the guy, telling users to use other map apps!

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | about 2 years ago | (#42357235)

I've been using Apple maps for a while, and I've had fewer problems with it than I used to have with google maps (it'd often direct me to businesses that had gone out of business). Of course, neither of these services is really up to Apple's standards. Forstall was ousted for pollitical reasons, not simply because he released a product that wasn't up to Apple's standards (this was hardly his first). I don't know why software in general has such poor quality, but Apple's been scraping by with deeply flawed software for quite a while simply because it was as good as or better than the alternatives. Maybe getting rid of Forstall will be a good opportunity for them to try something new.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (1)

Rennt (582550) | about 2 years ago | (#42356093)

We had advisories from "concerned" police that Apple's service was potentially life-threatening [arnnet.com.au] .

Not ruling out the advisories may have been overblown, but yeah... that's a fiasco alright.

Not as life threatening as Google Maps (1, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#42356237)

From the same continent, an even worse story about the dangers of Google Maps - sending people the wrong way down a dangerously narrow one way road [inquisitr.com] . It comes with a similar warning from police not to rely on Google Maps.

Apple's error has affected a handful of people (one that we know of), while Google's error affects a great deal more people since it's a road along the sea-side where a huge amount of tourist traffic exists.

So can we infer from your post that Google Maps is a fiasco a decade in the making? I would say Google Maps works pretty well, as does Apple Maps - but that mapping is a hard thing to get quite right. When you start singling out errors it throws egg on the face of every map company, not just the one you are targeting (and in this case most the egg did not even land on Apple).

Re:Not as life threatening as Google Maps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42357249)

Actually, in this case Google Maps was sending cars down a narrow one way road, but no articles say they were sending cars the wrong way down the road.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (1)

dugancent (2616577) | about 2 years ago | (#42355847)

I moved from a droid to an iphone 5. To each their own.

Aside from myself I don't know anyone switching, or wanting to switch, platforms.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42356465)

Its purpose is to funnel mobile users to Google services like Google Maps.

I highly doubt that the decision to purchase Android and pump money into it was anything that clearly defined. It's much more likely that the thought was that mobile was going to become a new computing platform and Google needed to be in it so that it didn't get locked up like the PC did (by Microsoft). Then it turned out that Apple was going to be the new Microsoft, but with even more of an iron fist, which reinforced the need for the strategy. Like nearly all Google initiatives, concerns about how to make money off of it came much later, and remain flexible. The product is the goal, revenue is a means.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 years ago | (#42357373)

We might, but Google is under significant anti-trust scrutiny so I doubt they would actually try it.

While I agree it's unlikely I guarantee you that anti-trust would not make one iota of a difference here. There's absolutely nothing in any antitrust law that says you need to support your competitors product with your app. Actually it's quite the opposite. The fact that maps is so wide spread that it is the app of choice on a competitors platform is unlikely to be doing them favours.

Why would Google care? (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#42355975)

Would we begin to see a lot of people moving toward Android phones if Google removed their maps from the iOS App Store?

The funny thing is that at the highest levels, Google and Apple really do not care about each other the way the fans at the lowest level seem to.

Google just wants to make great data driven apps that in turn drive a lot of data their way. If Android falters they will shrug and simply keep producing apps for the leading platforms. Obviously they would prefer Android to keep doing well because they collect more data that way.

Apple just wants to make and sell hardware as well made as they can, continuing down the road of integrating software and hardware to the greatest degree possible. They are happy to have well executed applications run on iOS; after all, it moves more hardware. It was pretty funny to watch people speculate on Slashdot that Google Maps would be blocked from the App Store when there were so many other mapping apps on the store already, and obviously Apple wants good applications because they help sell iOS devices.

So Google would not pull Google Maps from the App Store because it helps them, and Apple will not block it because it helps them.

But even if for some reason Google went nuts I don't think it would affect iOS much, there are too many other high quality mapping solutions already (including Apple's own maps).

Re:Why would Google care? (-1, Troll)

mjwx (966435) | about 2 years ago | (#42356263)

Apple just wants to make and sell hardware as well made as they can

This falls apart when you consider that Apple doesn't let you run your own OS on their hardware. They make it as hard as possible to run Windows on a Mac, they've been caught trying to prevent Linux from overtaking the bootloader. You cant run anything except IOS on an Ipod, Ipad or Iphone desipte it being the exact same hardware that runs Android and Windows Phone8/RT.

No, Apple wants you locked into their ecosystem. Why?

Because they make more money from you that way.

there are too many other high quality mapping solutions already (including Apple's own maps).

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha,

Don't give up your day job. When Apple cant even put train stations on train lines, you cant call it quality.

Re:Why would Google care? (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#42356359)

This falls apart when you consider that Apple doesn't let you run your own OS on their hardware.

Yes they do. Explicitly so on Macs (bootcamp is Apple not just allowing Windows to run on Macs but providing drivers too) but they don't do anything to stop people from running Android or Linux on iOS devices (which has been done off and on).

They make it as hard as possible to run Windows on a Mac

That's where your whole argument falls apart as Bootcamp makes a mac the easiest Windows install outside pre-loads by an OEM.

How is Apple making is "as hard as possible" when Apple even writes the drivers for you?

they've been caught trying to prevent Linux from overtaking the bootloader.

Sir, the reason I stopped you tonight is that I can see your arguments have been weaving dangerously close to the edges of fabrication. Can you please show a form of citation?

You cant run anything except IOS on an Ipod, Ipad or Iphone

Google says otherwise.

Because they make more money from you that way.

An answer just as easily applied to Google and personal data collection.

How odd that a company would like money. Is that really a shock to you?

When Apple cant even put train stations on train lines

At least Apple can find an airport in a major metropolitan city [flickr.com] , a feat seemingly beyond Google after a decade of data collection.

you cant call it quality.

If you can call Google Maps quality then obviously Apple Maps is quality, after just a few months of corrections it's doing a better job than Google at finding important things (and when was the last time you looked at your train issue on Apple Maps? I'll bet that error exists. Cough up the exact train station you are referring to).

Re:Why would Google care? (1)

Divebus (860563) | about 2 years ago | (#42356475)

...crickets...

Re:Why would Google care? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42356409)

Fucktard, Google doesn't rely on destroying your privacy to make money off of you? I can boot Windows or Ubuntu on my Macs at any time and it doesn't pay Apple a dime, which makes you an idiot. Apple wouldn't make a dime off you either since you'd steal everything anyway. Since you're such a 733t hax0r, you can't figure out how to hack an iOS device to run something else? Why would you want to if it's the same hardware as something that's already running what you want? Just jacking off are we?

Re:Why would Google care? (5, Informative)

sdsucks (1161899) | about 2 years ago | (#42356701)

Apple doesn't let you run your own OS on their hardware. They make it as hard as possible to run Windows on a Mac, they've been caught trying to prevent Linux from overtaking the boot loader.

That is a complete lie. Why are you spreading FUD?

Running Windows on a Macbook is extremely easy, and actually fully supported by Apple. Yes, they *SUPPORT* this - providing the best hardware driver install and update infrastructure I have ever seen in windows. Seriously - I only own high end laptops whether they are Apple or "PC", and running Windows on a Macbook is more pleasant than any Lenovo, HP, etc I've owned.

See: Bootcamp: http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/ [apple.com]

Regarding Linux - You do need to be aware that Macbooks use EFI, but installing Linux on a Macbook is trivial. I only ever run linux in VM's these days. Why bother running Linux when I have a fully POSIX compliant operating system already running natively? ( FWIW I am no stranger to linux. In a past life I was an *NIX server admin, with many years experience.)

I've been running both Windows and Linux on Macbooks for over 5 years, and they both work just fine. So now, will you explain your lies?

Re:Why would Google care? (3, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#42357697)

Apple just wants to make and sell hardware as well made as they can

This falls apart when you consider that Apple doesn't let you run your own OS on their hardware. They make it as hard as possible to run Windows on a Mac, they've been caught trying to prevent Linux from overtaking the bootloader. You cant run anything except IOS on an Ipod, Ipad or Iphone desipte it being the exact same hardware that runs Android and Windows Phone8/RT.

No, Apple wants you locked into their ecosystem. Why?

Because they make more money from you that way.

there are too many other high quality mapping solutions already (including Apple's own maps).

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha,

Don't give up your day job. When Apple cant even put train stations on train lines, you cant call it quality.

I see you've never used a Mac before, but don't worry - you're not the only one spouting such hilariously cute ignorance.

Installing Windows on a Mac features these "extremely difficult" steps:

1. Buy Windows (DVD or iso direct from Microsoft)

2. Run Bootcamp Assistant

* this partitions your HD (even your boot drive, changing the partition size as needed) to the sizes you choose.
* it also downloads all the drivers you need for Mac hardware.
* it then makes a bootable USB windows installer disk and includes all those drivers and software tools (you can choose to make a bootable DVD if you like)

3. Reboot Mac with this USB stick connected.

4. Install Windows

5. Run software package on USB to install all the drivers.

If you think that is "making it as hard as possible", then I am wondering if you have velcro shoes, because laces must be a total mystery to you.

Have I rationally rebutted your argument enough to call you a hater yet?

Re:Why would Google care? (3, Interesting)

zuperduperman (1206922) | about 2 years ago | (#42356959)

Google and Apple really do not care about each other the way the fans at the lowest level seem to.

Ah, so when Steve Jobs said "I'm going to destroy Android! I'm going thermonuclear on them, I will spend every last cent of Apple's $40b in the bank to destroy Android!", he actually meant something more like:

"Ah, jolly good chaps those Google folk, helping us sell our devices by making fantastic apps!"

I'm glad we have you to clarify that. Then again, I'm not quite sure your theory maps completely onto reality.

Re:Why would Google care? (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#42356989)

Ah, so when Steve Jobs said "I'm going to destroy Android! I'm going thermonuclear on them, I will spend every last cent of Apple's $40b in the bank to destroy Android!", he actually meant something more like

I was not aware Zombie Steve Jobs was running the company.

His reality sure warped you!

Re:Why would Google care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42357939)

lol the naivety of this comment is almost... heart warming.

Re:Such a great love for Google Maps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42356275)

It's about way more than maps. Apple totally dropped the ball on this, but the rest of the device makes it easy to allow for a fuck up once in a while. Android is the electronic equivalent of being bent over in Times Square with your shorts down. No thank you.

It's from China (5, Informative)

mdaitc (619734) | about 2 years ago | (#42355577)

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/12/20/ios-6-adoption-uptick-due-to-iphone-5-release-in-china-not-google-maps/ [macrumors.com] Ad network and analytics firm Chitika claims it has seen no significant increase in iOS 6 adoption in the U.S. and Canada. A company analyst believes the MoPub data (which was international, rather than domestic) we wrote about earlier today was affected by the recent launch of the iPhone 5 in China, rather than the release of Google Maps. This past weekend, Apple issued a press release bragging that it had sold more than two million iPhone 5 units in China over the first three days of availability.

Most impressed with reach of this news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355593)

I'm most impressed with the reach of this news. It's pretty amazing that such a story could make its way through the 'casual' iOS user population and subsequently cause the users to take action on and affect real world analytics in such a short period of time.

Re:Most impressed with reach of this news (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#42355643)

I'm impressed with this news too, since it made it to the front page of /. even though it's completely wrong.

Re:Most impressed with reach of this news (3, Insightful)

sconeu (64226) | about 2 years ago | (#42355703)

<OBLIGATORY>

You must be new here.,

</OBLIGATORY>

China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355635)

It was the release in China..not google maps.

Now do the fuckwit editors here (1, Insightful)

aybiss (876862) | about 2 years ago | (#42355913)

have the self-respect to pull this piece of bullshit from their front page, or will they just roll on to the next?

Re:Now do the fuckwit editors here (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42356789)

also note to editors:
reticent =/= reluctant
"reticent" $\notequal$ "reluctant"
reticent is NOT equal to and does not mean reluctant
.

Re:Now do the fuckwit editors here (1)

Maxx169 (920414) | about 2 years ago | (#42357441)

Common usage as opposed to etymology dictates meaning... Which is a shame really. Give it a couple of decades and even dictionaries will resign themselves to the fact that reticent does indeed mean reluctant. This will leave us with taciturn; a poor substitute.

Re:Now do the fuckwit editors here (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 years ago | (#42357341)

have the self-respect to pull this piece of bullshit from their front page, or will they just roll on to the next?

Option 2 captain.

MoPub's servers for my hosts file? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42355939)

ok, in case it's missing from our hosts files, can anyone provide the domain names MoPub is serving their ads from so we can include them in our hosts files?

Very much appreciated, thanks!

note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant" (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42356291)

reticent =/= reluctant
"reticent" $\notequal$ "reluctant"
reticent â reluctant
.
How many ways can I type that "not-equal sign"? (not in unicode, obvviously damn it) Seriously, to paraphrase Inigo Montoya [wikipedia.org] , that word in this article summary does NOT mean what they think it means.
Reticent [wiktionary.org] can mean modest or keeping something to oneself, or keeping quiet about something.
Reluctant [wiktionary.org] can mean not willing or inclined to do something, which is the meaning that must have been intended.
.
Seriously, do they need a high-schooler like me to be an editor who's not afraid of looking up word and perhaps actually editing the content and form of the submissions and cleaning things up and really behaving like an editor? I would seriously do it if asked ;>)
.
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die! [temporary sig, please wait while construction continues]

Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant (1)

isorox (205688) | about 2 years ago | (#42356773)

reticent =/= reluctant

"reticent" $\notequal$ "reluctant"

reticent â reluctant
.

How many ways can I type that "not-equal sign"?

Normal people would write <> or !=

Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42356863)

re:Normal people would write "\gr \lt" or "!="
I don't think that less-than-or-greater-than would apply because the use of "lessthan" or "greaterthan" implies the presence of a partial ordering, and though words are ordered alphabetically, I am talking about inequality. "a \lt \gt b" (sort of) implies "a \lt b" or "b \lt a", which also implies some ordering. You are, however, correct that "!=" would also work and be correctly interpreted. The fact that I could not get the unicode "not-equal sign" to be accepted by slash-dot is why I went ahead and used the $LaTeX$ symbol and the wacky "=/=" to get the visual effect of the "not equal" symbol and spelling it out. But I must admit that I have never been accused of being normal, so even though normal people might write or "greater-than" or "less-than", I would not.

Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 2 years ago | (#42357891)

Normal people wouldn't be on slashdot.

Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant (1)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | about 2 years ago | (#42357031)

Funnily enough, the french word for reluctant is "reticent". (Arrrgh, it's 2012 and Slashdot still doesn't do UTF8 properly...)

Maybe the original poster has fallen for this common faux pas. The less said about the editors the better.

Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42357081)

Gracias, I mean >! I did not know that. Perhaps the french nuance does play a role in this. It's always been one of my pet peeves (reticent v. reluctant, lose v. loose) but I will try to be more understanding now that I realize the possible source of this confusion. (and re the UTF8, I agree. That was part of my usage of $\noteq$ instead of the unicode "not equal symbol".)

Re:note to editors: "reticent" $\noteq$ "reluctant (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42357097)

I wrote Merci with french quotes around it, but slashdot's html parser ate up my $\lt$ and $\gt$ angle-braces!

I warned them (0)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 2 years ago | (#42356319)

I said in the release article here, you don't see Apple building Microsoft a start menu app and then giving it out for free BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE STUPID! There you go, helping out their #1 competitor.

What about the week prior? (1)

joeflies (529536) | about 2 years ago | (#42356485)

For comparisons sake, it would be interesting to know how many people adopted ios6 in the week prior to the release of google maps. Need a baseline to understand the context, but can't do much with it by itself

Re:What about the week prior? (1)

Divebus (860563) | about 2 years ago | (#42356973)

I found some data points at 24 and 48 hours after the initial release of iOS6 and another after a week. First, a broad statement which seems a little like speculation:

"..within the first day, iOS 6 peaked at more than 15 percent of Web traffic to its mobile ad network.." [allthingsd.com]

Then something that seems more like data that isn't going away:

iOS 6 on 25% of iOS Devices 48 Hours After Public Release [chitika.com]

And finally:

iOS 6 Adoption At Just Over One Week: 60% For iPhone And 41% For iPad" [techcrunch.com]

I upgraded for the Google maps app (2)

adnonsense (826530) | about 2 years ago | (#42356961)

My iDevice was running the least-outdated version of iOS 4 and not being too bothered about these things I never got round to updating it. Also, I was a bit leery about installing a new major release until the early adopters had suffered through the kinks. The release of the Google map app, which requires iOS 5.something or later was enough reason to finally upgrade.

Shenanigans (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42357215)

I called Shenanigans on this even before I got to the many refutations in the comments. iOS 6 was the first major iOS release available over the air (as opposed to only via iTunes). Apple pushed the upgrade availability out to all compatible devices on day one. No Android-style staggered roll-out. No BS post-release carrier acceptance testing. Something like 50% in the first week after the iOS 6 release i.e. half of all iOS 6 capable devices ever sold were upgraded in seven days. People were already upgraded by the time the "Apple Maps Sucks!" conventional wisdom came to light.

I imagine at this point, many of the unupgraded units are, in fact, retired or otherwise non-functional, and most of the remaining devices are jailbroken; their owners are intentionally remaining on iOS 5 as there's no jailbreak yet for iPhones and iPads running iOS 6.

Only 6 mil iOS 6 devices? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42358683)

Assuming this is related to Chinese release, does that mean there are only +-6 million (100/30 * 2,000,000) iOS 6 devices globally? That seems very low.

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