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Vivos Founder Builds an Underground City Where You Can Ride Out the Apocalypse

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the that's-great,-it-starts-with-an-earthquake dept.

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pigrabbitbear writes "'I was inspired with a very powerful message around 1980 that I needed to build a shelter for 1,000 people deep underground to survive something that was coming that was going to be an extinction event,' he explained in an extensive phone interview. 'That's it, that's all I had. But it was powerful. So powerful that I had a successful business with 100 employees and I took time off to go up into the mountains and search on weekends looking for an underground mine or cave that could be cartoned and converted.' Today, Vicino is the owner and founder of Vivos, a company that sells space in luxury survival complexes around the country. It's what he likes to call 'life assurance'--mini underground cities, in effect, for people ride out the end of civilization in a community setting with good food, television, even a potential dating pool. He says demand has increased 1,000 percent this year compared to last—itself a 1,000 percent increase over the year before."

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150 comments

so... up to 100 customers then? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42354701)

#MATH

Re:so... up to 100 customers then? (4, Funny)

7-Vodka (195504) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354959)

Unless he started with an imaginary customer.

Welcome (3, Funny)

Cryacin (657549) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355681)

To Vaultec's Vault 13. Please see the overseer on the way in.

Pets (2)

Nefarious Wheel (628136) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355887)

Yes, but will he look after my pet?

Re:so... up to 100 customers then? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42356549)

Unless he started with an imaginary customer.

No, he was his own 1st customer. But still it's not "up to 100" ...

1000% != 1000% increase

1
(1 + 1*10) = 11
(11 + 11*10) = 121

Math wins.

Re:so... up to 100 customers then? (1)

aquabat (724032) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355217)

At least 100 customers, assuming he had at least one customer two years ago. Geez, he could have just said "100 times the customers in two years," and it would have sounded impressive and straightforward.

Re:so... up to 100 customers then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355905)

Yes, but the way they said it makes it clear that the increase is over two years, and not just one big surge at one point.

Re:so... up to 100 customers then? (1)

Kreychek (264929) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355525)

Obligatory XKCD regarding percent-based growth figures: http://www.xkcd.com/1102/ [xkcd.com]

Very trenchant. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355883)

But the greater problem is the growing number of people who feel they must abandon the world rather than try to save it.

Rather than get involved and try to make things better, it is so much easier to let the stuff you don't like about the world just run amok and burn itself out, so long as the innocents it takes out with it aren't you and yours.

But then again.......if what you dislike about the world is the rise of science, secular morality, freedom and responsibility....and your way of fixing it is to foist your crazy superstitions upon others while giving up all your freedom to the government so it can keep you safe.....well then I suppose I would prefer you tucked yourself away into your underground bunker sooner rather than later.

1000% (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42354713)

1 to 10, 10 to 100 would qualify!

To ride out the end of civilization (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42354725)

What a marvelous idea. We'll just hide in this handy cave and watch TV until the zombies have all eaten each other. After that we can come out and someone will be ready with McDonalds and Starbucks waiting for us.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355165)

I have to wonder if the perversely optimistic nature of most 'survival' plans(optimistic compared to, say, a collapse of complex social systems where service industries don't just spring up again to take your hoarded gold in exchange for fresh food, not optimistic compared to non-collapse scenarios) has to do with psychological self-selection....

The greater one's confidence in one's own individual agency, capability, ability to achieve goals, etc. as opposed to a general lack of confidence or overt recognition of dependence in some areas of life, the more likely somebody might be to treat surviving an apocalypse of some flavor as a plausible goal. However, the same sorts of traits frequently predispose people to adopt vaguely antisocial and tech-heavy solutions for a problem that is (short of magic nanites or something) unlikely to be solvable alone.

In terms of surviving hostile conditions and the closest thing to isolation from modern society that the planet currently has to offer, empirical observation pretty much forces you to bet on the various relatively low-tech, clannish, kin groups that have lots of experience with scrounging in their own squalor. It isn't a pretty strategy; but it has worked for essentially the entire period between the evolution of Homo Sapiens and the rise of agricultural civilization(and for a time thereafter, albeit only in places marginal enough that agricultural civilizations couldn't be bothered to send in the army for a bit of the old 'civilizing').

By contrast, your techie-nerd survival-through-gadgets-and-stockpiles types can be expected to last only slightly longer than their MRE supply...

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (3, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355279)

Mien Fuhrer! I can walk!

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (4, Insightful)

PvtVoid (1252388) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355295)

Mod parent up, please. The number one thing you need to survive the coming apocalypse (which isn't actually coming) is a community that works together. Stock rice and beans, but instead of stockpiling ammo, get to know your neighbor. You won't have to shoot them, then.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355361)

Mod parent up, please.

The number one thing you need to survive the coming apocalypse (which isn't actually coming) is a community that works together. Stock rice and beans, but instead of stockpiling ammo, get to know your neighbor. You won't have to shoot them, then.

If human history is anything to go by, you'll unfortunately have to master both skills. Not only do you have to be good enough neighbors that your attempt at agriculture doesn't end in mass starvation and not too many disagreements over the neighborhood's offspring and their foolish dating choices end in generations-long blood feuds; but you also have to be ready for a more or less constant series of meat-grinder skirmishes with the guys who live a valley over from you, all for reasons that are largely inchoate but will seem like a big deal at the time...

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (1, Funny)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355585)

Socialist rubbish. You'll need to learn to get along, sure, but you must MASTER the ability to perceive deception before you get fucked over, because being fucked over, even once, in such a situation, probably means you starve to death or are killed outright and robbed. such a world will be very thin on people willing to share what they have. The sane default is to assume deception at some point along the way in any cooperative endeavor. That doesn't mean you avoid all coops but you should plan contingencies. A lot of them..

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355845)

Deception, theft, betrayal, and violent death are certainly common outcomes; but that's the major reason(second only to the fact that even small-scale division of labor beats the hell out of farming alone) why cooperation is rewarded: It is very difficult to prepare yourself against all acts of violence or deception. It is easier to have people know that yes, they could stab you while your back is turned; but they'll be shitting teeth for weeks when your displeased kin group shows up for revenge if they actually try it...

(Also, just as a matter of terminology, concepts like 'socialism' aren't really very well defined, if they mean anything at all, on the scale we are talking about here. Only once you have a nation state, some amount of surplus production, a mechanism(usually currency, since agricultural commodities are heavy and perishable) for distributing or redistributing that surplus, and some degree of fraying in legacy social frameworks does it really make sense to start using words that more or less imply positions about how state power should be deployed to modify economic outcomes. It also helps to have enough technology that your society has capital goods other than agricultural land and enough bureaucratic development that the state can actually execute policies in any useful sense.)

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356147)

by 'socialism' in this context, I only meant that those who expect mass sharing of stockpiled resources, especially in the beginning, will probably be shot themselves. I could see remnant governments attempting this as a power grab.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355813)

There are people out there with the attitude of "why work and stockpile food when your armaments can ensure food from your neighbors?"

The problem is that in the country, people need skills like knowing how to grow crops, irrigation, weather, what types of livestock are best for the land and for trade, how to build a farm for most effective growth, how to handle coyotes, pumas, and other predators, dealing with rats and other vermin, maintaining a livable home, making sure one has enough firewood, making sure drinking water is sanitary, basic sanitation, first aid, basic/advanced medical knowledge, knowing plants and what is edible versus what will kill you, how to store food for longest life and minimizing rot and rodent inroads, how to get animals and crops to a trading post, bazaar, or farmer's market, how to keep vehicles working when the nearest mechanic would be days if one had to walk, how to deal with two-legged vermin, how to deal with trash, burying the dead so it doesn't cause a sanitation hazard, keeping grass low to protect against snakes, and many other things that if listed would be paragraphs long.

A person in the city just needs cunning, and they can thrive. Knowing how to manipulate other people is the sole skill needed to eke out a living in urban areas. One can have a well-off life being an absolute parasite and produce nothing.

Now, take the city people, and try to make them deal with "real" life. Not a life with food trucks coming in at all hours to restock the nearest Starbucks or Wal-Mart, but having to actually grow/kill what they eat. With no other skillsets, they will go the route of what they can seize by force. Even if a farm is well defended, unless one has a militia with 24/7 guards, someone will be coming in after dark to set fire to buildings just out of "if I can't have it, nobody can" attitude. We saw that with Katrina where people's houses were turned into their funeral pyres because they defended their place successfully, but couldn't stay up 24/7 or see people intruding at night. Yes, those people will starve, but they will take the food producers with them.

What is one's best bet? Live at least 50-100 miles away from a city. That is enough distance that average cars will not have enough gas to cover, and cars that do will be stuck in permanent traffic jams (the last hurricane from Houston had people trying to leave three days in advance... and roads were so bad that there were people still stuck on the interstates when the winds hit.) So, while the hive-people fight each other for scraps of fuel, areas past the no-man's land will be relatively safe.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355561)

The greater one's confidence in one's own individual agency, capability, ability to achieve goals, etc. as opposed to a general lack of confidence or overt recognition of dependence in some areas of life, the more likely somebody might be to treat surviving an apocalypse of some flavor as a plausible goal. However, the same sorts of traits frequently predispose people to adopt vaguely antisocial and tech-heavy solutions for a problem that is (short of magic nanites or something) unlikely to be solvable alone.

The goal of these 'caves' isn't to rebirth the human race. They're there for those who buy in to live out the rest of their lives in comfort. You're right, one can't rebuild humanity alone, but when so few humans give a shit beyond tomorrow's episode of jersey whore, what other choice is there?

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355873)

^^^ has never been camping.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (5, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355955)

I tried camping once. The experience helped shape my current "head for a decent bar located as close as possible to something worth nuking and attempt to be vaporized with a gin and tonic in hand" strategy for apocalypse management...

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355931)

Post-apocalyptic victors will be those who stockpiled (and defended) guns, ammo, fuel, tools, and food. Oh, and my automatic zombie-tracking gun turrets definitely give me an edge.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355207)

If a single Starbucks remains, civilization CAN be rebuilt. But if a single McDonalds survives doomsday, all is lost -- we will know the Zombies have won.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355235)

You missed the part about "potential dating pool."

Read that as "escort service."

You might as well go out with a fuck . . .

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (1)

countach (534280) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355335)

Yeah, he might sell more spots in this venture if he gave away a few free bonus spots to some hot young blondes. Otherwise 99% of the buyers will probably be old geriatric corporate guys.

Re:BYOB (1)

Macrat (638047) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355471)

Bring Your Own Blonde

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (1)

drkim (1559875) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356831)

You missed the part about "potential dating pool."

Read that as "escort service."

You might as well go out with a fuck . . .

Actually, "Go Out With A Fuck" would be a good name for an escort service.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (0)

Ichijo (607641) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355263)

But don't eat the meat.

On an unrelated note, have you ever noticed how ethnic restaurants tend to be located right next to animal hospitals?

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (1)

countach (534280) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355365)

Why buy into this plan? If doomsday comes, rock up to the shelters with an AK-47, and commandeer it. Even if you buy into it with $$, you'll still have to fight off the other 6 billion people to actually use it.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355601)

Yeah this guy blew it.. He should've kept it as secret as possible..and in as remote an area as possible.

Re:To ride out the end of civilization (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356577)

What a marvelous idea. We'll just hide in this handy cave and watch TV until the zombies have all eaten each other. After that we can come out and someone will be ready with McDonalds and Starbucks waiting for us.

Cave??? Is THAT what they call your parents' basement these days???

Let them eat Taggart (1)

Pharmakeus Ubik (2671987) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356677)

Pack up your Galts in your old kit-bag, And smile, smile, smile, While you've a Lucifer to light your fag, Smile, boys, that's the style. What's the use of worrying? It never was worth while, so Pack up your Galts in your old kit-bag, And smile, smile, smile.

Your own vault (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42354729)

Vault tec comes to life

Re:Your own vault (1)

pwizard2 (920421) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354969)

As long as I get to be Overseer (assuming it's not in Vault 11).

Re:Your own vault (1)

stfvon007 (632997) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355277)

You have been assigned as overseer of vault 157.

The vault contains 2 of each apex predator, (1 who will remain in stasis until only 1 species is left alive) and no doors or weapons.

Have fun.

Re:Your own vault (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355031)

Vault tec comes to life

Honestly, this story would be much better if each little habi-pod had its own fucked-up dystopian social engineering theme. Much more interesting that the generic 'thermonuclear Marriott' shtick.

Re:Your own vault (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355143)

Maybe they do...

Can I just go live there (2)

Todamont (1034534) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354755)

... *until* the apocalypse?

not totally irrational (2)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354793)

nuclear weapons exist. you might make it to your shelter.

Re:not totally irrational (2)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354953)

Well there are two ways that things may go : either a quick nuclear war, where you're unlikely to even know the war is happening before you're vaporized, or a slow buildup to a war. And if it's slow I can guarantee you the government it going to seize all shelters for 'vital personnel'.

Re:not totally irrational (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355029)

They will try to seize them. At that point, I don't think many people will be afraid of revolting.

Re:not totally irrational (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355311)

Anyone who is directly responsible for a nuclear war already has a shelter.

Re:not totally irrational (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355035)

"Vital personnel" being the 2% and the other people who caused the damn war in the first place. With any luck they would soon kill each other.

Re:not totally irrational (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355273)

There are other alternatives, also unpalatable:

Depending on where you fall on the spectrum of confidence in second-through-Nth-strike capabilities, it doesn't necessarily have to be the case that a nuclear war would involve everybody shouting FIRE ZE MISSILES!!! and launching the world's supply of strategic nukes. If confidence in second strike is very low, or is based entirely on a 'we can get our rockets off the ground in the time between when theirs pop up on the big board and when they hit', then it will be over hard and fast. If, though, you assume a much more robust and survivable capability(missile subs, widely distributed 'Davy Crocket' style low-yield tactical devices in the hands of military units, significant optimism about how hard your bunkers really are) you might see a relatively prolonged exchange of a mixture of tactical and strategic weapons, with massive destruction of centralize infrastructure(the US gulf coast refining capacity, say) in the first few hours or days; but a fairly large number of civilians who avoid nuclear annihilation in favor of dying in the rubble.

You could also postulate a scenario where the government's ability to execute coherent strategies like 'seize all the shelters' is what collapses relatively early(for economic reasons, because of a successful nuclear decapitation, some sort of nasty plague, etc.), with various well-armed-but-ill-led armed forces fragments and numerous-but-hapless civilians left to figure things out by trial and error.

Now, it isn't obvious that any of these scenarios actually makes a short duration bomb shelter worth having access to; but some of them would give you a chance to drive to your tomb and close the door before the supermutants get you.

Re:not totally irrational (1)

jalefkowit (101585) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356805)

You could even get the drawn-out nuclear war by accident.

Assume there's some fraction of the nuclear arsenal held back from the initial exchange as a strategic reserve. Then the sky falls on Washington (or Moscow, or Beijing, or whatever) and command and control over those forces completely disintegrates. Now you've got widely dispersed units with no clear orders having to decide for themselves if being unable to raise command on the radio means they should let their birds fly or not. Some of those units are going to be really out of touch -- missile submarines, say, ordered at the outbreak of war to find a quiet spot at the bottom of the Pacific and sit there silently for a couple of weeks before coming up for new orders -- so you could imagine periodic ragged exchanges breaking out for weeks or months after the war is actually over, as those captains come up and discover that there's nobody around to give them those new orders. Some of them may take that as a signal to launch on their own initiative; others may be under explicit "dead hand" orders to launch unless they are given an affirmative order not to.

The novel Warday [wikipedia.org] , about the aftermath of a limited nuclear exchange between the US and USSR in the mid-'80s, had an interesting chapter along these lines: an "interview" with a Royal Navy destroyer captain tasked in the postwar world with running down remaining Soviet missile submarines and trying to explain to them that the Soviet Union had collapsed and their mission was over. (And with sinking them if they refused to believe it.)

EOW scam (4, Informative)

shuz (706678) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354795)

The Mayan calendar is base 20 with the first place only going to 18. This year represents the end of the 13th "great cycle"(13.0.0.0.0). That means that there have been 12 "end of the world events" preceding this year. So the next real end of the calendar doesn't happen until 4000 something when we reach the 20th great cycle. But then it will just start all over with 1.0.0.0.0.0. In short this is NOT the end of the Mayan Calendar.

Re:EOW scam (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42354851)

The Mayan calendar is base 20 with the first place only going to 18. This year represents the end of the 13th "great cycle"(13.0.0.0.0). That means that there have been 12 "end of the world events" preceding this year. So the next real end of the calendar doesn't happen until 4000 something when we reach the 20th great cycle. But then it will just start all over with 1.0.0.0.0.0. In short this is NOT the end of the Mayan Calendar.

Wrong! The great catastrophic event killing large amounts of people around the globe did happen early this morning. Don't believe the media hype - it's just a cover up.

The event only killed people below ground.

Re:EOW scam (2)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355733)

The event only killed people below ground.

12/20: The Earth Fracked Back.

Re:EOW scam (1)

Kuroji (990107) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356573)

Evidently the Earth is a Cylon.

Eh, I've seen worse plot twists.

Re:EOW scam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355739)

You, sir, win 1 internet.

Re:EOW scam (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356623)

Yeah, I seen that picture on FB. Australia is GONE, but at least they have wifi in Hell!

Re:EOW scam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355497)

See, Mayans know how to widen their IP address spaces constructively!

Re:EOW scam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355783)

SHUT UP!!! It wouldn't be the end of the world anyway. No matter what they say it won't be. Can we please stop entertaining this dumb ass notion? Fucking put it to bed.

Welcome to the Vault (4, Interesting)

KagatoLNX (141673) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354797)

This is so Fallout that it hurts.

Re:Welcome to the Vault (1)

TuxWithoutPants (2719479) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354871)

Oh Gods, if I have to listen to that 50s music playing on and on in the background again for the rest of my life, I'll take my chances with the nuked people.

Re:Welcome to the Vault (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355047)

Anyone that doesn't like Ella Fitzgerald or the Ink Spots must be a communist.

Re:Welcome to the Vault (1)

TuxWithoutPants (2719479) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356765)

You won't take me alive g-man *narrow eyes*

Re:Welcome to the Vault (1)

pwizard2 (920421) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355063)

"Big Iron" and "Heartache by the Numbers" were pretty good too. However, that "Lets Ride into the Sunset Together " song was damn depressing when you're walking around in a hopeless post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Re:Welcome to the Vault (1)

TuxWithoutPants (2719479) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356787)

I liked the whole soundtrack, that was until I was getting my *** kicked by mutants and the soothing sounds of the 50s came rolling over the screaming and gunshots. The moment was just too surreal for me lol.

Re:Welcome to the Vault (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355067)

"pack'n whack'n smack'n"

For the right price... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42354799)

...I wouldn't mind investing in one of these things. Especially if I could take a vacation there, too. But I'm sure as hell not gonna buy before a very popular apocalyptic date.

Re:For the right price... (3, Funny)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354971)

I bet there'll be a bunch listed on real estate sites at firesale prices starting Dec 22.

Re:For the right price... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355233)

Beat the rush and list yours on Dec 21st.

Re:For the right price... (2)

Miamicanes (730264) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355849)

Wait until Saturday, when somebody goes up to the 2k12 apocalypse-anticipators and says, "Hey, don't feel bad... it's not the end of the world"

(...roflmao... "not the end of the world" *cough*, *cough*).

Sounds strangely familiar (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42354859)

I've seen this "powerful message" too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesXUFOlWC0

Fools (1)

PerformanceDude (1798324) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354861)

Clearly fools and their money are easily parted. Can't fault the guy for seeing the opportunity though. I guess the question is: Is it immoral to make a buck from irrational fears when you didn't create the fears in the first place?

Re:Fools (3, Informative)

Randomish (1042542) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354929)

Uh... isn't that what most mainstream religions do now?

Re:Fools (1)

pwizard2 (920421) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355011)

Not exactly--organized religion tells you that you have a problem and then offers the "solution" to it.

Re:Fools (1)

deimtee (762122) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355721)

So you're saying it is immoral.

Fallout 3 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355019)

Well, who's to say what will happen. It's not immoral if there's some possibility of an upcoming disaster coming. Since the probability is above zero, then he's not really ripping anyone off. Also, it means they aren't necessarily irrational fears. Now, the real question is if his vaults will really protect anyone and can they be maintained indefinitely? For example, does he have back up systems in case power is lost, the food source is compromised, walls cave in, the outer doors are breached by insane survivalists turned madmax gangland warriors, etc. Redundancy is a pretty big deal. Also, food that can be regrown and feed enough people regularly so they don't turn to cannibalism. You don't want to be trapped inside with starving survivalists, it would almost be as bad as being in the midst of a zombie swarm. I'm thinking fish farms, hydroponic farms, etc. Of course, the biodome projects have shown us that such closed-systems don't last forever. Meaning at some point you have to come out and deal with the post-apocalyptic world. They should also stick computers in there with offline copies of wikipedia, I imagine that would be wildly useful. You just kind of have to hope they thought of everything.

GLaDOS next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42354869)

This is Cave Johnson. All that needs is a crazed devotion to science and complete disregard for human life.

Obligatory Dr. Strangelove quotes (5, Funny)

stox (131684) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354945)

General "Buck" Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?

Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

Ambassador de Sadesky: I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

Re:Obligatory Dr. Strangelove quotes (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355605)

"Wouldn't this nucleus of survivors be so grief-stricken and anguished that they'd, well, envy the dead?"

You have an astonishingly good idea, Doctor! (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354949)

Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. But with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present gross national product within say, twenty years. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

Increased demand (1)

jickerson (2714793) | about a year and a half ago | (#42354977)

He says demand has increased 1,000 percent this year compared to last—itself a 1,000 percent increase over the year before."

So they went from 1 person, to 10 people, to 100 people?

Re:Increased demand (1)

nanotera (2139408) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356585)

No its 1 to 11 (10 increase = 1000% of 1 ) to 121 which is an increase of 110 over the 11 ie each year is last years number times 11 to give a 10x increase.

An appropriate submission (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355027)

http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=2409491 On the topic, perhaps

Ahh the joys of internet truths (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355089)

Last I heard Vivos is a single facility that's about 8K sqft and had 1 room leased to a friend. Mr Vicino has done little to correct anyone of this misinformation I suspect. Take the comments as you will, hearsay or not, but ya.. easy to have a cool website and say everything if you never show much of anything for proof.

Re:Ahh the joys of internet truths (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355421)

Is he, by any chance, friends with the 'freedom ship' guys who manage to update the 3D rendering of the bitchin' bioshock libertarian aqua-paradise that they are totally going to be building real soon now every few years?

They don't do much (5, Insightful)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355131)

The business is basically buying up old government shelters for cheap, put some furniture in and then sell it for 100 times more. However much would this guy like to portray himself as a modern-day Noah, he is just a smart businessman preying on people's fears.

This smells like... (1)

Cute and Cuddly (2646619) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355147)

Advertising!

Why would anyone want to ride out the apocalypse? (2)

reubenavery (1047008) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355269)

Never could understand that. If the Apocalypse is coming, let me and my family be its first victims. A good clean death would be much preferable to a pathetic existence on the brink of starvation in a devastated world.

Re:Why would anyone want to ride out the apocalyps (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355567)

There are probably a billion, maybe two, people that we could ask this question even without the downfall of civilization as we know it; but I'm not sure that they could tell us anything useful...

Re:Why would anyone want to ride out the apocalyps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355729)

the death of most people in an all out nuclear war or non-ELE asteroid hit will be neither clean nor quick. The majority that immediately die will be via burning to death (not ionizing radiation) in less than instant time, it will be painful. then burns on survivors further out will become infected. then hunger and thirst and disease will claim more. enjoy!

Re:Why would anyone want to ride out the apocalyps (2)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355753)

Many many many million people live on the brink of starvation in a devastated world (it's no use to them that *we* have it nice, is it, so to them the world is all fucked up already) as we speak and have for ages.

Also, consider this [wegotthiscovered.com] -- not the situation as a whole, but between these two. And I totally don't mean this tongue in cheek.. it's easy to say "fuck it", but as long as someone you care about still wants to live, what will you do? There is no good clean death either, other than falling asleep and not waking up at ripe old age, which is not an option here. So... could you kill a loved one? Or leave them to do it themselves? What you say now would have to condense in some (in)action then, and I kinda doubt that, I hope you take it as a compliment :P

I rather guess you and I and most everybody would try to survive for as long as we can. People adapt quickly, too. We survived the stone age, the dark ages, a lot of shit compared to which the apocalypse would still be kinda tame. It would be horrible to us, and compared to what we are used to, to our cozy little lives, but absolutely not on a total scale and to what is going on on this planet in general. Many people are enduring worse right now. We might not be among them, maybe we won't cut it, but we'd die trying, I would more or less bet on that.

Re:Why would anyone want to ride out the apocalyps (1)

reubenavery (1047008) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355865)

Vaporization in a nuclear blast? Not a bad way out. Instantaneous and blink it's over.

Death by starvation or some fucking infection or some bullshit in a desolate world forced to fight mortally for cans of beans? No thanks, prefer the former. So, please, vaporization thanks. Even a bio/freak-virus attack which kills in a day or two time would suffice.

Re:Why would anyone want to ride out the apocalyps (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356279)

Awww come on, don't be like that [youtube.com] .

Re:Why would anyone want to ride out the apocalyps (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355805)

I look forward to eating your rations.

Genius (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42355337)

Making money out of stupids? Capitalism at its best. Congrats.

So this is the new Moore's Law (1)

cvtan (752695) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355363)

Moore's Law for morons: Morons increase at the rate of 1000% per year.

Strong message my ass. (2)

LoRdTAW (99712) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355403)

This is the best:
"Our people have a survivor mentality, but theyâ(TM)re not survivalists,â he said. âoeTheyâ(TM)re not hoarding food and guns and ammo and camo gear in their garage or their basement. Instead, they bought Vivos."

My bet is he caters to overly paranoid people with too much money. So what happens when the dust settles and his clients crawl out of their little luxury caves to find the earth is a wasteland? Then what? Go back inside and commit suicide? Where will they find food? How do they adapt to a post apocalyptic world? Be sure to bring the entire family, I am sure the kids will love it!

If the earth is about to end due to some event the last thing I would want to do is crawl inside a cave and emerge only to find a dead wasteland or a chaotic world in a downward spiral. I would rather Major Kong that event and ride it into oblivion.

Re:Strong message my ass. (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355639)

I'm pretty sure that if your response to a problem is "throw money at it, anything else is dreadfully downmarket.", you do not, in fact, have a 'survivor mentality'...

In other news, buying a black, hard-anodized, aluminum flashlight makes you 'tactical'.

Forget the underground bunkers (1)

Scoldog (875927) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355637)

What happens when the other survivalists come a-knockin.

What can you do? Run into the woods with your friends? Call yourselves The Wolverines? Put twigs in your hair and beat back the survivalists? No... You hightail it to Pastor Richards Salvation Statue and blast off into space!

Not in the Simpsons but should be (3, Funny)

istartedi (132515) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355651)

(In Homer voice) So it's fears you're selling, ay?I'd like a dozen fears please. That costs HOW MUCH??? I'd like one fear please. What? Can I get just a taste? Mmmmmmm.... fear.

One question (2)

JasoninKS (1783390) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355855)

One question...once the place is filled with apocalypse nuts, can we seal the door and just leave them in there for good?

Slashdot! (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#42355859)

You couldn't have posted this a bit sooner than the day before December 21, 2012?

And in the end the danger was deeply ironic... (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356413)

...when it turned out the event the Myans were warning about was an excessive outgassing of radon by rocks in underground mines.

Looks like an old Bell System facility (3, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | about a year and a half ago | (#42356833)

The Nebraska facility is almost certainly a former Bell System facility. It has a classic AT&T microwave tower and high bays for switching equipment. AT&T used to have underground centers across the country for survivable communications. Here's one that is for sale. [undergroun...resses.com]

There are a surprising number of bunkers for sale in the US. I see some on the market that were being offered a decade ago. The costs of refurbishing and operating a big military facility in the middle of nowhere are high, and few people bother. Some have done so, and then realized they don't really want to live there. [silohome.com]

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