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Drawings of Weapons Led To New Jersey Student's Arrest

timothy posted about a year ago | from the and-why-are-there-girls-names-everywhere? dept.

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First time accepted submitter gannebraemorr writes with this news, snipped from a CBS News report out of New Jersey:"'The Superintendent of the Greater Egg Harbor Regional High School District said around 2 pm Tuesday, a 16 year old student demonstrated behavior that caused concern. A teacher noticed drawings of what appeared to be weapons in his notebook. School officials made the decision to contact authorities. Police removed the 16-year-old boy from Cedar Creek High School in Galloway Township Tuesday afternoon after school officials became concerned about his behavior. The student was taken to the Galloway Township Police Department. Police then searched the boy's home on the 300 block of East Spencer Lane and found several electronic parts and several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion, police say. The unidentified teen was charged with possession of a weapon an [sic] explosive device and the juvenile was placed in Harbor Fields.' If 'chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion' is a crime, I'm pretty sure everyone's cleaning cabinets are evidence just waiting to be found. Bottle of Coke and Mentos... BRB, someone knocking at the door."

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Great! (5, Insightful)

jargonburn (1950578) | about a year ago | (#42368533)

Think of how safe everyone will be when EVERYONE is locked up!

No harm done (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368607)

If he wasn't going to do anything with these chemicals, then fine, no big deal, no harm done. If he was, then a disaster was prevented, and a lot of kids may have been saved.

Re:No harm done (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368635)

The harm done is to the Constitution, which is the only thing (not our safety) that public servants/government employees are actually SWORN to protect.

Re:No harm done (5, Insightful)

Rockoon (1252108) | about a year ago | (#42368673)

If he wasn't going to do anything with these chemicals, then fine, no big deal, no harm done.

No harm other than the kid being removed from school, arrested, charged with possession of a weapon, and then sent to juvenile hall.

yeah.. no harm at all.

Its people like you that are wrong with this country.

Re:No harm done (5, Insightful)

Cwix (1671282) | about a year ago | (#42368735)

You do realize that something as simple as soap flakes in your powdered laundry soap can be used to make explosives.

If you arrested everyone that had explosive chemicals in the house, then you would have to arrest everyone that cleans anything.

Re:No harm done (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year ago | (#42368825)

You do realize that something as simple as soap flakes in your powdered laundry soap can be used to make explosives.

If you arrested everyone that had explosive chemicals in the house, then you would have to arrest everyone that cleans anything.

You can create an explosion with nothing more than flour. So add anyone baking his own bread or cake to the list.
Oh, and what if your garage is integrated in your house? Your car contains a tank full of an explosive chemical.

Re:No harm done (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368835)

... you would have to arrest everyone that cleans anything.

Whew. I'm safe.

Re:No harm done (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368829)

You sir are an idiot - of course there was harm done. An innocent, intent, driven student was arrested for no good reason other than sheer lunacy by faculty with delusions of grandeur.

I used to draw weapons, space weapons, combat aircraft, tanks, spaceships - all in combat - blowing shit up, etc...

I built model rockets (missiles), had high explosives (rocket engines) in my possession lots of times, hell,I even made some with explosive warheads and fired them for fun. Note I said fired, not launched. I had rocket tubes on my dirt-bike. I could fire these horizontally at whatever my bike was aimed at. They made very cool explosions on impact (old tree stumps, falling over barns, etc). Good thing I had teachers that were happy to have students that learned and experimented (in safe ways). They encouraged learning about anything and everything.

I read up on chemistry in old encyclopedias. By the time I was 13 I could have made nitro-glycerin in my kitchen.

Knowledge and materials are not crimes. Using said would have been.

Without people that know how and what can be used, we can no longer prevent others from doing the same.
This school's administrators should be cuffed and stuffed for harming a youth's ambition and drive to learn.

Today's government wants to lock up *dangerous* knowledge. They want to make everyone a specialist and end generalist behaviors.
If no one is a generalist, they cannot see the big picture for what it is.

Re:Great! (4, Funny)

transporter_ii (986545) | about a year ago | (#42368623)

A more workable plan would be to divide the country in half and pay one half to watch the other half. We would kill unemployment and crime overnight.

Re:Great! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368691)

A more workable plan would be to divide the country in half and pay one half to watch the other half. We would kill unemployment and crime overnight.

Crime would soar with half the country having the authority over the other. Just imagine half the country as politicians and you'll understand. Not necessarily violent crimes, but crime nonetheless.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368919)

I think he meant that each half would watch over the other half, so 100% of the people would watch and be watched. Some sort of Stasi-thing.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368743)

Divide it in half, move all the idiots to one side.
Let each group govern themselves as they see fit but keep a free trade agreement.
Everyone gets what they want.

Considering how ideologically divided the people are, it would make sense.

Re:Great! (5, Funny)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | about a year ago | (#42368783)

The British did this in 1776... that's why Canada's so much saner than U.S.A.

Re:Great! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368867)

Apparently you've never been to Quebec.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368875)

The sad part is that there are 10 times the number of people on the south side of the border.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368843)

Just make sure that I'm on the other side from you, I don't want to live with the idiots!

Re:Great! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368903)

"here I am stuck in the middle with you"

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368663)

Who the fuck modded that "Troll"?! Sarcasm detection failure much?

Re:Great! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368715)

Only in the United States would people be this paranoid. Terrorists kicked your asses and are still winning. This kind of irrational fear is evidence of that.

I am so glad that I moved out of your cesspool country and renounced the US citizenship I once shamefully carried. I recommend others do the same before it's too late and you are no longer allowed to leave.

Re:Great! (-1, Troll)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about a year ago | (#42368745)

I'm waiting for Obama to appoint Biden to a commission which will come up with a ban on Crayolas. That might be a problem as Crayolas are Biden's favorite means of communication.

Re:Great! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368819)

You are missing the whole point.... He was drawing in a SCHOOL for heavens sakes. Think of all the helpless victims. The HORROR !

They better arrest me then. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368539)

For drawing giant killer robots, ninja's, tanks, spaceships with tentacles & housing of poor construction quality when i was 8.

Re:They better arrest me then. (1)

gtvr (1702650) | about a year ago | (#42368629)

Airplanes dropping bombs on tanks and going on strafing runs. All the time.

Re:They better arrest me then. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368769)

After having to watch the Challenger launch and subsequent explosion at school, I used to doodle the explosion with a prominent burning American flag falling from the debris. It was hilarious.

Re:They better arrest me then. (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year ago | (#42368685)

If the nun's in catholic school had ever caught me and saw my drawings of jets and WWI planes shooting parachutists and each other, they wouldn't have called the police. Instead I would have gotten multiple slaps to the face. (And then, you couldn't hit them back, either!) School is different today from what us neckbeards experienced.

Re:They better arrest me then. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368765)

When I was 8 I was planning tunnel boring machines to covertly plant nuclear bombs under cities.

So now kids can't even draw a comic with a weapon in it. No wonder the nut jobs use well known gun free locations as their killing grounds.

Loved a recent interview with a Texas school principal where all the school staff that qualified were carrying concealed, had electronic locks on the doors, and plenty of security cameras. Even bullying was down.

I have got fuel and amonium nitrate (5, Insightful)

aepervius (535155) | about a year ago | (#42368543)

At a shed , one being for the tractor the other for the plant. Having two chemical substance which when mixed can cause explosion and a few electronic part means *nothing* without a context. The question is : do the authority exagerate the context to make a case, or was it a real plan from a disturbed teenager, or was it a disturbed teenager which would never have gone further but now whatever MAY happen will be forever marked as that "insane guy which wanted to explode a school" ? Wihout further info none of us are able to say. But I am willing to bet there will be a media circus.

Re:I have got fuel and amonium nitrate (1)

msauve (701917) | about a year ago | (#42368763)

"do the authority exagerate the context to make a case,"

That's a tautology.

Re:I have got fuel and amonium nitrate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368831)

The story is kind of lacking on details. The question is, was a crime actually committed, and will the student be to afford a good lawyer? Although, other options may include plea deals, deferrals, etc., none of which will truly bring justice about if the student is innocent.

P.S. Flash doesn't seem to be working on CBS Philidelphia's website for me. And how long the website takes to fully load brings back old memories of dial-up.

Re:I have got fuel and amonium nitrate (5, Insightful)

f3rret (1776822) | about a year ago | (#42368799)

At a shed , one being for the tractor the other for the plant. Having two chemical substance which when mixed can cause explosion and a few electronic part means *nothing* without a context. The question is : do the authority exagerate the context to make a case, or was it a real plan from a disturbed teenager, or was it a disturbed teenager which would never have gone further but now whatever MAY happen will be forever marked as that "insane guy which wanted to explode a school" ? Wihout further info none of us are able to say. But I am willing to bet there will be a media circus.

My hypothesis:
School calls the cops, school sounds like they're shitting their pants out of far. Cops roll heavily on the school, arrest the kid. Soon realize that the school over reacted like crazy. Rather than admit they were wrong and lose face, they apply creative interpretations of innocuous objects and come out of it looking like heroes.
 

Re:I have got fuel and amonium nitrate (1)

Cwix (1671282) | about a year ago | (#42368931)

That was essentially the same thing I was thinking. This was blown out of proportion, so they are trying to cover their ass. On top of it they tell everyone how good the other did. The school says the cops did a good job, and the cops say the teacher who reported the student did a good job.

Re:I have got fuel and amonium nitrate (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368833)

*Sounds* like what happened is that the police realized that they just raided the home of an innocent kid based on nothing much. That makes the police be/look bad. In those situations the police are very motivated to find something, anything, that will justify their actions. They don't want headlines like "Minor traumatized at police station. 10-man police raid trample kid's home with assault rifles, tear off head of long-loved teddy bear. Find nothing", even if that's exactly what happened. The police certainly don't want to be sued for acting wrongly - even if they did act wrongly.

To avoid bad publicity and lawsuits, a broken Wii controller and a bottle of shampoo next to a tube of toothpaste becomes "electronic parts" and "potentially explosive chemicals" - I'm sure if you manage to separate the components of shampoo and toothpaste or really most any two modern products with lots of ingredients there's SOME way to make some kind of an explosion. The really sad part of such cases is that on top of the uncalled-for assault on the poor person being victimized by the police, that person now ALSO has to deal with spurious charges. The costs of that can be heavy. It is expensive to defend yourself in court and the police may have actually managed to hit you with some legally-valid offense out of the 20 things they charged you with - like resisting arrest because you walked into one policeman when the other one told you to step back.

Or they could actually be on to something, but the way the story describes it it sounds like a case of the common cop: "Authorities say that students and teachers at the school were never in any danger nor were any threats made." It sounds like the student being investigated was and still is in danger. I bet he won't be drawing anything for a while.

Score: 5 Reasonable Thought (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368869)

Thank you very much for being the voice of reason. Your post is, of course, the most sensible here.

I wager that, despite Slashdot's sensationalism, the authorities began their actions out of due caution. That they are indeed cable of reason and did take context into consideration. I'm 80% sure that this was not about soap in the cabinet, but that this kid was indeed attempting to manufacture explosives. I'll take it a step further and say that, just because he may have been trying to make explosives doesn't mean that he was planning any harm whatsoever.

I recall my own middle school years. I had an intense fascination with explosives and weapons. Fire crackers were awesome and I went to great lengths to increase their yield. What happens when you take the powder from 4 M80s and build a single large 'M320'? What if you sink it in a pond before it goes off? (Awesome!!!! ...Then the fish float up. Run!)

I fondly recall the fit my mother threw when she found me drying my own home made black powder in her oven. 'Relax! I know what I'm doing. What could possibly go wrong? It's just a little black powder. Sheesh.' She didn't know about me taking my half pound of home made "explosives" to the school bus stop the next morning where me and my friends enjoyed blowing up anthills and lighting long lines of my concoction(epically smokey). Mean while my friends wielded "flame throwers" made of cans of deodorant and Bic lighters.

Despite all that, no harm was ever meant to anyone but ants. No one was hurt(save for minor burned fingers), No one became a terrorist, arsonist, or anything else. The next year, girls redirected our attention and life continued as normal.

Fre speech (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368545)

This is a complete violation of his first amendment rights. This puts a chill on free expression which, in this case, is art.

Re:Fre speech (-1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year ago | (#42368755)

Charles Manson wrote messages on the walls with his victims blood, was that about free speech? /rehtorical
The story says jack shit about the kids behavior, without that you can't make a rational judgement. All it really says is that several adults who are trained to deal with teenagers as part of their job, were concerned. The kid is probably just trying to freak people out, but who knows?

I would not jump to conclusions.... (5, Informative)

overlook77 (988190) | about a year ago | (#42368553)

Although the story seems disturbing, it never goes into any detail about the student's behavior which prompted the search nor does it say what exactly was found in the student's home. Without more details the story, left this vague, is borderline sensationalism. The student could have been exhibiting some extreme behavior which the school could have been subsequently been lambasted for not following through with.

Re:I would not jump to conclusions.... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368671)

Although the story seems disturbing, it never goes into any detail about the student's behavior which prompted the search nor does it say what exactly was found in the student's home.

His behavior? He drew a weapon! No, not in the Old West's definition of 'draw', but still. He probably denied he meant anyone any harm, which is the first thing anyone who does mean you harm would do (despite what they portray in the movies). The chemicals? My bet is hair gel and butane for his Zippo.

All this is more than enough to convict, let alone arrest: drawing weapons, lying to the authorities, having unwieldy hair, smoking and a method for igniting his cigarettes. Get 'em off the streets boys. Next!

Re:I would not jump to conclusions.... (5, Informative)

Rockoon (1252108) | about a year ago | (#42368789)

it never goes into any detail about the student's behavior

Yes it does. It says he was drawing weapons. Thats it. Thats the behavior. You are reading more into it because it violates the senses that drawing weapons in a notebook is a "behavior."

I've read 4 or 5 news articles on this now.

More extensive articles go into some of the background here. This is a school district that is "counseling students following last Friday’s shooting in Connecticut"

Let me lay down what else they are doing (also from news articles:)

1) cameras inside and outside each school;
2) one armed school resource officer in each building;
3) a lobby guard that runs the identification of each visitor to each school;
4) proximity card readers for staff members, who must swipe their cards before gaining access to the building; and
5) security officers at each school 24 hours a day, every day of the year.

They are obviously hyper-reacting. Way over the top. 24/7/365 security, armed guards, "papers please" ... they are doing it all.

The shooter claims one more victim (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368555)

That treatment will certainly help him become a well-balanced member of society.

New Idea for a Slashdot Poll (4, Interesting)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year ago | (#42368559)

In which of the following ways would you have been arrested if your child-self had gone to school today:

1) possession of a chemistry set;

2) possession of a pocket knife;

3) terroristic threatening ("Man, I'm gonna kill you at Mortal Kombat tonight.");

4) all of the above

Re:New Idea for a Slashdot Poll (0)

peragrin (659227) | about a year ago | (#42368575)

I owned a 12 ga shotgun, and helped my father reload our shotgun shells when i was 16.

Not only did I posesses all of the above, I also had access to actual explosives.

Re:New Idea for a Slashdot Poll (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368705)

I had a .243 when I was 12 I hunted with, had chemistry sets and a few # - In - One electronic kit set things (some of the older ones had circuit designs for high frequency shock therapy circuits! (An old kit my dad had as a kid)

I had torn apart electronics all over.. cordless Phones, remote control cars both the boards from the cars and the remotes, an old navy oscilloscope that I was given, soldering iron, cb radios, etc.

I also played violent video games (mortal combat for example among many others), but also non violent such as Clowns for the C64 when I was way young (still have the C64 and games and my son who will turn 3 in February likes to play the Clowns game)

But have I shot anyone? No, unless you count the times we played cops and robbers or army with cap guns or other toy guns when I was 8-12 or so, or the times we shot each other playing laser tag... Or in more modern times when we shot each other playing paint ball....

I also had a bunch of Tom Clancy books (but also a bunch of Star Trek books)....

I believe if they looked at what I had and what I did, I too could fit their "profile" of a bad person

Re:New Idea for a Slashdot Poll (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368589)

repeat after me: "I am free."
Keep repeating until you believe it.

Missing Option (0, Troll)

Roger W Moore (538166) | about a year ago | (#42368609)

5) None of the above (I did not go to school in the US)

Re:Missing Option (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368917)

All of those items are valid in most countries around the world. Your option:

6) I didn't go to skule

Re:New Idea for a Slashdot Poll (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368625)

...

4) possession of hacking tools

5) possession of an electronics set

6) sending email through an open relay, pretending to be the POTUS

7) copying music

8) all of the above

Re:New Idea for a Slashdot Poll (1)

warp_kez (711090) | about a year ago | (#42368711)

4 and I would add the Tandy/Radio Shack x in 1 electronic kits, particularly if you created the timer circuit, trip wire with alarm, or the movement sensor.

Here is Australia we do have possession with the intent to cause fear - cap gun anyone?

The More Things Change (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368561)

The pendulum of concern for "the children" has swung all the way to the extreme again. The tyranny of schools and authorities to quell anything other than "the norm" is still stuck on "status quo" (fortunately for all of us /s).

Oh my lord (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368581)

Am I glad I don't go to school in this modern age!

Back in MY day you could bring your (real) Katana to highschool (and leave it in the office) for martial arts practice afterwards.

I used to draw fighter jets and machine guns and all sorts of stuff when the teachers were being boring, but that was probably in grade school.

Now if you DRAW A PICTURE OF what "appears to be" a weapon and have an interest in electronics and chemistry you get charged.

I guess that liking science before college is going to be outlawed soon...

While CBS laughs about it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368585)

Someone's life is fucked over for real. No laughing for them.

Fuck CBS and their fucking mind control bullshit.

Benign household chemical #1 plus ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368587)

Benign household chemical #1 + benign household chemical #2 == harmless.

Benign household chemical #1 + benign household chemical #2 + brain == dangerous.

Benign household chemical #1 + benign household chemical #2 + brain + hand-drawn pictures of weapons on paper == imminent terrorist threat that must result in immediate arrest?

Only the ultra-paranoid would think this math actually adds up to a crime. I mean, heck, if you're going to arrest people for keeping things together that could *theoretically* be put together into something dangerous, then an awful lot of people are deserving of arrest, particularly the smarter ones. Where's the evidence this student was actually planning to act on any of this in a malicious way, rather than just "blowing stuff up in the backyard", like plenty of kids are prone to do with dangerous devices such as pop and mentos?

It is like the TSA coming into our personal lives (2, Insightful)

intertrode (1564753) | about a year ago | (#42368593)

This is the kind of environment that the gun-control nuts want to create for the rest of us. Imagine having to justify every substance in your home under presumption of guilt.

Re:It is like the TSA coming into our personal liv (4, Insightful)

Gregg M (2076) | about a year ago | (#42368683)

This is the kind of environment that the gun-control nuts want to create for the rest of us ?

I hear the NRA thinks we should be investigating video games and movie. Last I heard there were such things as movie and game ratings, but the NRA hates gun control... ANY gun control. That's what the NRA wants: No bounds on any weaponry but Tom and Jerry can be blamed for the violence in the country.

Re:It is like the TSA coming into our personal liv (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368901)

Hell yes! Turn gun owners into criminals and then you can make sure only criminals own guns! Well played!

I'm sure the war on guns will be just as successful as the war on [anything else our government tried to stop, ever in history].

You can buy drugs in every single town in america, and anonymously online. 350+Million guns in America alone and over 1 Billion guns in the world... Yeah I'm sure we can keep the bad guys from having guns by taking them from the good guys.

Perfect sense is made.

Re:It is like the TSA coming into our personal liv (1, Troll)

fitteschleiker (742917) | about a year ago | (#42368695)

Fuck Yes!

Second Amendment FTW!

Every Dead American Is A Good American. (TM)

Re:It is like the TSA coming into our personal liv (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368795)

ever hear of

judge Dread? Look up Judge Death.

Re:It is like the TSA coming into our personal liv (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368851)

I think maybe, possibly, there is a difference between supporting control on firearms and supporting control of drawings of firearms along with controls on common household items like shampoo. I know it's quite a subtle distinction, but I think if you consider it for a while you'll see that drawings and reality are somehow not quite the same thing.

So that's Petrol (Gas) then. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368595)

Its amazing the stuff that everyone has gallons in their car and how is can blow up.

REALLY?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368601)

That sounds like me as a child... and now I have subcontracted for the DoD as well as other private defense companies! .. Coincidence? I think not.
Weird kids are just that, weird. Why put them in a room with a bunch of people telling them to turn that genius into something evil?
Does anyone remember the collapse of eastern Europe?
THIS IS HOW YOU CAUSE SHOOTINGS!

Arrested for drawings and household chemicals? (4, Interesting)

james_shoemaker (12459) | about a year ago | (#42368613)

I'm sure glad they weren't this paranoid when I was a kid. I remember sketching various nuclear weapon designs and discussing them with my physics teacher after class. I suppose it was OK because I didn't have a supply of fissionable material.

Re:Arrested for drawings and household chemicals? (2)

memnock (466995) | about a year ago | (#42368651)

The level of paranoia as alluded to in the summary struck me as ridiculous. Does that mean the girl who spends the day writing a boy's name on her notebook is a stalker?

I realize there has been a mass shooting and people are worried now. I suppose being completely paranoid that 'everyone else is out to get you' is the price we pay for the freedom to keep military grade weapons for recreation?

Re:Arrested for drawings and household chemicals? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368653)

Don't forget he also had those threatening 'electronic components.'

Re:Arrested for drawings and household chemicals? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368797)

Most likely one of those diabolic Arduino devices... better lock up Ladyada while they're at it.

Re:Arrested for drawings and household chemicals? (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year ago | (#42368727)

I'm sure glad they weren't this paranoid when I was a kid. I remember sketching various nuclear weapon designs and discussing them with my physics teacher after class. I suppose it was OK because I didn't have a supply of fissionable material.

As a teenager in the 70's, a friend and I used to make smoke bombs from kitchen supplies, learned how to do it from Abbie Hoffman's "Steal This Book". We were curious, learned a little about chemistry, and hurt no one. The article doesn't go into detail, citing the youth being underage as the reason. It sure sounds like sensational reporting due to recent events. I hope this kid doesn't get a record over this.

Not enough information (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about a year ago | (#42368615)

Either this is a travesty of justice, or there is not enough information in the article. I suspect that there are good reasons to arrest this guy, but I, also, think the reporters think that what they wrote about what the guy did is sufficient cause for him to be arrested. The article should read, "Student acts in manner that arouses suspicion of teacher. Police investigate and arrest student." The rest of the information appears to tell us something without actually doing so.

Re:Not enough information (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368661)

So, since there is not enough info to know what happened you suspect that there are good reasons to arrest this guy?

Re:Not enough information (0)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about a year ago | (#42368859)

No, I suspect there are good reasons to arrest this guy because, usually, the police have good reasons when they arrest someone. There are two possibilities here, neither of which is that much of a stretch. The first possibility is that this is an abuse of police power to harass someone who got on the wrong side of one or more authority figures. The second is that these two reporters are terrible reporters who think that the reasons they give in the article are the entire reason the guy was arrested and that those reasons are good reasons to arrest someone (or that we should just trust them that the reasons they do not mention are good reasons). In my experience both happen, but the second happens with much more frequency than the former. There is a third possibility, it is possible that both one and two are true in this case. However, again based on my experience, in a situation like this, it is wise to wait until more information comes out to pass judgment on the actions of law enforcement.
If I lived local to this event, I would be seeking more information to determine whether this is an abuse of police power or not. Of course, if that were the case, I would have access to either the principles(the police who conducted the investigation, the teachers at the school, people who know the student in question, etc) in this story or people who know them. Since I do not live local to the story, I will operate under the assumption that the authorities acted appropriately until people who do live locally to the story start to bring this to the more general public's attention as an abuse of power.

Re:Not enough information (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year ago | (#42368885)

He operates under the implicit assumption that generally if people are arrested, there are good reasons to do so.

US being Re-Active again (1)

haknick (2035324) | about a year ago | (#42368619)

Going from one extreme to the other. US seems to continue not being able at being proactive, and think long term when it comes to internal affairs. That said, they're always perfectly proactive when it comes to corporate driven external policies (Not that it's bad, it's just the way it is)

other drawings (5, Funny)

quenda (644621) | about a year ago | (#42368627)

In related news, half the school was arrested on suspicion of rape, after evidence of drawing penises was found.

Re:other drawings (5, Funny)

Maow (620678) | about a year ago | (#42368863)

In related news, half the school was arrested on suspicion of rape, after evidence of drawing penises was found.

It's far worse than that - half the school was is possession of penises! They were armed and ready.

Potassium Nitrate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368633)

Good thing I burned off the rest of my stash last 4th of July...

Oh, hey, I have some shotgun shells. Crap. CRAP.

Well this is going to be great (5, Insightful)

jayhawk88 (160512) | about a year ago | (#42368641)

We're going to spend the next 10 years as a nation obsessing over guns in schools. We're going to talk non-stop about arming teachers, arming janitors, putting cops with assault rifles in the halls, defining exactly what assault rifles actually are, glorifying the idea that those with guns stop crimes, making movies and TV shows about the topic, design special gun models for school protection, and perhaps even speculate that students themselves should be allowed to carry guns for their own protection.

But on the other hand, the first time any student mentions the word "gun" in class, they're pulled from class, suspended for weeks, arrested, put in psychiatric care and scarred for life. Seriously, this is like one level down from the brainwashing scene in A Clockwork Orange.

Phew... (5, Interesting)

knarf (34928) | about a year ago | (#42368645)

Imagine what they'd have found in my room back in the '80s... Chemicals of all sorts, the more boom the more fun after all... electronic components disassembled from old broken unrepairable stuff and sorted into categories, ready to be assembled in new things. This including 'scary' stuff like CTV line transformers etc. Half-repaired electronics. A charged tractor battery under the bed with some carbon rods (from old batteries) to be used in carbon arc light experiments. A functional pulse jet engine, scarily-looking, cobbled together with moped parts to be auto-starting. An air gun. An electric guitar made from more moped parts and some pay phone speakers for pick-ups. Need I go on?

And to think that I've never even had so much as a speeding ticket...

Of course I lived in the Netherlands, and it was 30 years ago...

Re:Phew... (2)

mikael (484) | about a year ago | (#42368733)

You should write a book on all these projects - 20 electronics experiments for a rainy day. Especially the guitar made from moped parts.

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368657)

I drew guns, tanks, bombs and other unsavoury things when I was a kid - that did not mean anything more than the potential to be an artist.

Hell, several of us drew swastikas around the classrooms - that did not make us Nazis, we just thought the teacher was.

Americans need to take a chill-pill, have a cup of tea and a little nap.

DRAWINGS ARE NOT 'BEHAVIOR'. PERIOD. (3, Insightful)

macraig (621737) | about a year ago | (#42368665)

Unless there's a boatload of details absent from that account, it really is time for me to find another country to call home... while I can still emigrate without being renditioned for being a traitor/terrorist.

no pen-knife ? (2)

noshellswill (598066) | about a year ago | (#42368667)

In the day (1950s), your shop teacher would smack your knuckles & **send you home** if you FORGOT to bring your pen-knife to wood-working class. Vis' lathes and bandsaws, absent a pen-knife kinda like not having an editor when writing code. A few cities still have 1st-rate "shop" class systems (ex) Spokane Wa. Wonder what is their policy?

Meanwhile ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368669)

the financial terrorists who threatened to blow up the world economy get away with fines to be paid by someone else and deferred bonuses.

Arrest everyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368677)

Ok well ... Let's just arrest everyone !

Bleach + Acid based Drain Cleaner = Chlorine , yay you now have chemicals that can be mixed to get a weapon ... Let's arrest you
Styrofoam + Gasoline = Something pretty close to napalm ... Let's arrest you
Powdered aluminum (Etch-a-Sketch) + Rusted iron (Woolp Pad) = omg Thermite ... Let's arrest you

Re:Arrest everyone ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368803)

Powdered aluminum (Etch-a-Sketch) + Rusted iron (Woolp Pad) = omg Thermite

I am so trying this.

This is a joke right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368687)

Do not let anyone know that you have urinated - the process to take urine and make it into ammonium nitrate is not that hard.

Hell, make sure no-one sees you taking a number 2. The explosives that can be made with human faeces would blow your mind.

Good (0)

glrotate (300695) | about a year ago | (#42368707)

We need to start cracking down on these little psychos.

If you've been diagnosed with bi-polar, asbergers, schizophrenia, or whatever, you shouldn't be out loose. If your wracked out on PCP, Prozac, or Xanax, you shouldn't be out loose.

Thought Crime. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368723)

"If 'chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion' is a crime, I'm pretty sure everyone's cleaning cabinets are evidence just waiting to be found."

This is the reality of how the BATFE interprets the laws surrounding guns and explosives; the regulation of both is derived from some of the same laws. Having the parts to make something constitutes intention to make it, and is punished the same as if you had made it.

The state of BATFE's regulatory interpretations of the law allow for farmers, or even just gardeners, to be prosecuted for having ammonium nitrate fertilizer and fuel because they could be assembled into a bomb, regardless of whether they had a detonator, or knowledge of how to do it, or intent, or a motive. It gets even more confusing and nonsensical when it comes to their published regulation of gun parts. If you own a pistol, and a means by which to attach a butt-stock to it, then you're in possession of an unregistered short barreled rifle, regardless of whether you've ever assembled them.

Thought crime is alive and well in the BATFE, and has been for decades.

"best" part (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368753)

"Cedar Creek opened in September 2010 as a magnet school with programs focusing on engineering and environmental sciences and specializing in hands-on learning."

Re:"best" part (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42368779)

"Ciccariello said that the student was not in conflict with anyone"

"Police Chief Pat Moran stressed Tuesday night no threats were made by the student and there was no indication there was any danger posed to anyone or property at the school"

"There was no indication he was making a bomb, or using a bomb or detonating a bomb"

but still "arrested ... on charges of having chemicals at his home that could be made into a bomb"

They better... (1)

mindwhip (894744) | about a year ago | (#42368821)

Arrest every game designer that ever had a gun in it. That's every game designer from games like Sam and Max and all the way to Halo, Space Games etc.

Then arrest almost all of the movie and TV industry (producers, actors, cinema staff) for any show that has ever had a gun in it.

Then arrest any author (and the publishers, printers, book store staff) that has ever described or even just included a gun in a story.

Please do not clean your house (1)

houghi (78078) | about a year ago | (#42368845)

several types of chemicals that when mixed together, could cause an explosion,

That will be available in about any household. Remember how to make a Molotov cocktail [wikipedia.org]?

Bullshit harassment (2)

AndyKron (937105) | about a year ago | (#42368853)

If the government keeps that bullshit up there will be more terrorists than they can handle.

This makes perfect sense. (1, Insightful)

Arancaytar (966377) | about a year ago | (#42368857)

Allow assault rifles to be sold over the counter, but lock up everyone who so much as thinks of drawing one on paper. Your rights to own lethal weapons trumps the right of children not to be shot in the head, but the notebook doodles of frigging sixteen-year-olds are grounds for arrest.

Fuck the NRA.

The new post-columbine hysteria has started... (2)

davydagger (2566757) | about a year ago | (#42368899)

Where does this sound familiar from?

the new post columbine hysteria has started. They are going to ruin far more kids lives than kids who died in the last shooting, or shootings in general.

We need to put our foot down, and stop this cycle of scape-goat finding based on stereotypes being passed off as valid research and response NOW.

If you outlaw pictures of weapons ... (3, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about a year ago | (#42368911)

If you outlaw pictures of weapons then only outlaws will have pictures of weapons.

oh. wait.. it did not come out right.

Every classroom should be secured by a policeman armed with a picture of a weapon. How about that!

What a Crock of Shit (5, Insightful)

Zero_DgZ (1047348) | about a year ago | (#42368925)

When I was in high school, I had sketchbooks that I filled to the brim with detailed drawings of planes, battlemechs, rockets, Warhammer dudes, and yes, lots and lots of weapons. Many of them attached to planes or in the form of swords and axes being held by fantasy roleplaying types, but also plain-old modern day guns. I think I turned out pretty well, and in my entire life I've never even so much murdered anybody. I was even still in school when the Columbine shootings went down, and even after that fact with all the paranoia swirling around, nobody cared about me or my notebook. Do you know why? Because it didn't fucking matter. It's what boys of that age tend to do, and back then people still managed to understand this.

This is knee-jerk paranoid reactionist ego-stroking BULLSHIT of the highest caliber. This poor kid's harassment and arrest is in no way, shape, or form designed to keep anyone safe or protect anybody from anything, but to intentionally scare people and stoke a bunch of "it could happen here" sensationalistic paranoia for the sake of inflating some school administrator's ego. The real intent of this, which is going to have real-world consequences of ruining this kids future -- Which, I hasten to point out, this superintendent and his cronies in no way care about or will show responsibility for -- is propaganda. To create the appearance that the school administration is "doing something!" and being "proactive and tough on violence!" to direct attention away from the fact that, back here in reality, this kid's school is undoubtedly zero percent safer today than it was last Friday.

This is why we are constantly blindsided by headline grabbing violence int his country: We are SO paranoid about not letting the imaginary "bad guy" in the front door that we're diverting all our attention to chasing shadows and tilting at these goddamned windmills. Meanwhile, the real enemy is free to sneak in the back door whenever he feels like it.

(Obligatory "that's what she said," by the way.)

The people who did this to that kid are the ones who need to be arrested -- every last one of them. Stripped of their ranks, stripped of their certifications, their badges taken away, and relegated to flipping burgers at McDonald's for the rest of their pathetic little lives, because people who straight-facedly make such poor decisions as these have NO BUSINESS BEING IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY, period.

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