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NYPD To Identify 'Deranged' Gunmen Through Internet Chatter

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the surveillance-is-good-for-your-health dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "Michael Wilson writes in the NY Times that top intelligence officials in the New York Police Department are looking for ways to target 'apolitical or deranged killers before they become active shooters' using techniques similar to those being used to spot terrorists' chatter online. The techniques would include 'cyber-searches of language that mass-casualty shooters have used in e-mails and Internet postings,' says Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly. 'The goal would be to identify the shooter in cyberspace, engage him there and intervene, possibly using an undercover to get close, and take him into custody or otherwise disrupt his plans.' There are also plans to send officers to Newtown and to scenes of other mass shootings to collect information says the department's chief spokesman Paul. J. Browne adding that potential tactics include creating an algorithm that would search online 'for terms used by active shooters in the past that may be an indicator of future intentions.' The NYPD's counter-terrorism division released a report last year, 'Active Shooter (PDF),' after studying 202 mass shooting incidents. 'So, we think this is another logical step,' says Kelly."

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FTW (5, Funny)

Baldrson (78598) | about 2 years ago | (#42369101)

Obama. Ricin. Krytron. NWO. Red Mercury. Jews. Klystron. ZOG. EMP. Bloomberg. Subway. Federal Reserve. Ultracapacitor. Secession. McVeigh. Illuminati. Nitrate. Constitution.

Beat that.

Re:FTW (0)

murder_face (2574275) | about 2 years ago | (#42369159)

You forgot ebolapox

Re:FTW (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369163)

You're nitrate is no good without diesel. Unless your form of terrorism is making me now the lawn 3 times a week.

Re:FTW (4, Funny)

nospam007 (722110) | about 2 years ago | (#42369359)

"Unless your form of terrorism is making me now the lawn 3 times a week."

Just write 'asshole' in big letters on your neighbor's lawn at night with the fertilizer, so that he can see it from his bedroom.

Re:FTW (1)

houghi (78078) | about 2 years ago | (#42369743)

It is dark at night, so he won't see much. Also he will be at sleep. Tss. Some people ... (Huh? What?)

Re:FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369373)

you are nitrate?

Re:FTW (4, Insightful)

Richy_T (111409) | about 2 years ago | (#42369349)

We didn't start the fire...

Re:FTW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369443)

You forgot civil war, collapse, and zionist

Re:FTW (1)

flayzernax (1060680) | about 2 years ago | (#42369599)

President Bush Obama (clinton), healthcare, children, oppression, tyranny, Iran, China, outsource, oil, jobs, rockafeller, media, news, control, mind, aliens, UFOs, nuclear, uranium, corporations, godwin, (a bunch of religious shit which I am not well versed enough in, anyone wanna take up that mantra?)

Re:FTW (1)

rcamans (252182) | about 2 years ago | (#42369689)

you forgot iraq, syria, lybia, al quaeda, taliban, rocket launchers, saudi arabia, russia, cheechen, north korea, scud

I am a terrorist. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369127)

I am mad and I have a gun and I will be shooting everyone. I am announcing this beforehand so that the police can stop me. There is no sarcasm in this text whatsoever.

Re:I am a terrorist. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369337)

It's always "too soon" for that sort of humor.

Re:I am a terrorist. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369535)

What do you have against deadpan?

Re:I am a terrorist. (1)

Shivetya (243324) | about 2 years ago | (#42369531)

posted as an anonymous coward makes it even better.

Wearing your Guy Fawkes while you post? (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42369553)

Your 4Chan Ion Cannon buddies also thought the Secret Service would NEVER be able to figure out their IP addresses.

Re:Wearing your Guy Fawkes while you post? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369873)

Idiot.

Re:I am a terrorist. (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#42369941)

Reported. This is clearly a matter of national security. Better safe than sorry!

good luck (2)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 2 years ago | (#42369153)

lol i no rite


Seriously, it's not going to work with the presence of popular internet shorthand.

Re:good luck (4, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#42369225)

lol i no rite
Seriously, it's not going to work with the presence of popular internet shorthand.

it'll "work". ... but what they'll actually do is hang around on gun nut boards and try to sell illegal automatics to the people hanging around there. because think crime isn't enough but seemingly creating the actual crime is legit.

Re:good luck (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369365)

Oh, and next you're going to assert that fire departments engage in arson.

Re:good luck (4, Informative)

Grimbleton (1034446) | about 2 years ago | (#42369371)

Though if they try to sell "illegal automatics" on most gun forums, they'll find themselves banned and reported to the ATF faster than you can empty a magazine.

Re:good luck (2)

pla (258480) | about 2 years ago | (#42369433)

but what they'll actually do is hang around on gun nut boards and try to sell illegal automatics to the people hanging around there.

You can legally own a fully automatic ("machine gun") in the US. You need a special permit for it, but it basically takes no more effort than getting a CCW - It just costs more ($200, and you pay that per-gun).


think crime isn't enough

Ahahahahaaha... How cute.

man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no thanks (5, Insightful)

Dan667 (564390) | about 2 years ago | (#42369157)

what they should be doing is improving mental health services. Both the Colorado movie killer and Virginia Tech Killer had been identified with mental illness with red flags. A good system would have gotten them help. And for people that refuse mental health help there are only two options, institutionalization or they do what they want. There should be something like child protective services for people that refuse mental health help with red flags to keep track of them and make sure they get help.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (2)

blackest_k (761565) | about 2 years ago | (#42369227)

In the UK you can be "Sectioned" If you appear to be a danger to yourself or others but these days policy seems to be "Care in the community" or shut as many mental facilities as possible and let fate take care of the problem.

Trouble is it is cheaper to ignore the problem, than do anything about it.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (4, Insightful)

Lisias (447563) | about 2 years ago | (#42369353)

Trouble is it is cheaper to ignore the problem, than do anything about it.

No, it's not.

The problem is that there's no legal mechanism to send the bill to the society.

To every kid being killed, there're expenses on funeral and emotional support for his/her relatives, but there're also all the practical expenses of the day-to-day life, as medical/dental bills, educational expenses, toys and little amusements, vacations, necessities (clothes, etc) that go to the trash bin.

To every adult being killed, we have all that expenses since his/her childhood, more the LACK of the future (and present) funds to do the same with his/her kids. With luck, another adult will take for him/herself this expenses - at the cost of the expenses of his/her own kids (present of future).

So, YES, there're a lot of waste of money on every people being killed by a nutcrack. People are used to avoid talking about this, because we're used to think that a "human life is invaluable and, so, can not be monetized". What I, also, agree - there're no money on the world that can pay my life.

However, the COST of being alive is measurable. If a life can't be brought back, the costs incurred on being alive can be.

So, NO. IT'S A HELL OF SHIT EXPENSIVE ignoring the problem. Thing is that the bill does not goes over the shoulder of the bastards that make that decisions.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (5, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | about 2 years ago | (#42369591)

We have to sacrifice our rights and live in a police state, because that is the "price to protect us from three or four crazy lunatics that we'll never actually be able to protect society from, anyway" because it's going to "save so many innocent people (presumably, children)".

With this sort of math, we need to be sacrificing a lot more rights and liberties across the board for every other thing which results in more deaths than school shootings (in other words - EVERYTHING INCLUDING JAY WALKING). After all, if every life has a precious cost associated with its lost that is of such intense value to society that all of society must make sacrifices that are most "sacred" to the foundation and existence of our entire society (the Constitution), then why focus on the random unavoidable nutjobs that conduct "mass" shootings? What about seat-belts? What about parents who drink or smoke and put children at risk? What about mothers who bring questionable "step-dads" into the family? What about jay-walking? What about soda? What about sports? What about lighters, pocket knives, stairways, sidewalks, and bicycles?

If the important thing is the value of a life, then why is the life of someone shot by a nutjob more valuable than that of someone who is killed through any other accident or negligence or criminal act? Especially when those things happen far more frequently?

The secret key here is that: Yes, bad shit will happen to people and that is the cost of enjoying a free life and society. Bad shit doesn't go away just because government clamps down on society. The only thing lost there is your freedom. You *gain* nothing. And all in the effort to do the impossible -- protect every last human being from unpredictable freak occurrences. Crazy shit that pops out of the brush and happens. And it will always happen. And we will always be shocked (that's the nature of it being a FREAK occurrence).

I can guarantee you a great deal of safety and security. Just let me lock you in an underground bunker and control everything you consume and everything you do. It won't be enjoyable and it won't be a life worth having lived, but you'll probably live longer than being out in the big scary world with all sorts of awful things that can happen to you, including being t-boned in an intersection by a guy running a red-light or a nutjob in the office that loses his shit when he's fired and brings a firearm to work. :)

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (1)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42369831)

for the same reason that most of these "police state" measures only get brought up immediately after a tradgedy when emotions run high. They need to enact legislation before people start bringing in inconvienant facts and statistics.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369763)

Trouble is it is cheaper to ignore the problem, than do anything about it.

No, it's not.

Yeah, it is. Abandonment costs [wikipedia.org] are what you're describing for funerals and emotional support, which are a real expense, but the cost of living itself isn't redeemable. Everyone dies, so the cost of living isn't more wasted by an unnatural or untimely death. The abandonment costs are less expensive than lifelong mental health care for a bunch of deranged people. The rest of your reasoning is a series of cognitive illusions.

Anchoring. Logically, investors should base their decisions on current prices and expectations. But they often fixate on past prices, such as what they paid for a particular stock. That’s why investors often refuse to sell at a loss—even when they could earn more by moving their money elsewhere.

Loss Aversion. In a purely rational world, the risk of loss and the possibility of gain should carry equal weight. But investors tend to put twice as much importance on avoiding losses. In other words, in order to accept a 50% chance of losing $100, most people will demand a 50% chance of winning $200. This last tendency may explain why investors traditionally have demanded higher returns on stocks than bonds—even higher than the relative risks would suggest. They put an excessively high premium on the stability and predictability of bond returns.

The quotes were from todaysinnovativewoman.com, an article named The Pitfalls of Investor Psychology (it's the first article I came across).

Trying to argue in favor of morality on the basis of cost is a huge mistake. I think it's valid to keep convicts alive, and provide mental health care, but it isn't less expensive - it's just better. It's humane.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369391)

"Trouble is it is cheaper to ignore the problem, than do anything about it."

Sure it is. There are almost a hundred thousand public schools, not even counting the private ones.
Instead of hiring gunmen, just make 20 new kids and your economy just lost a hundred kid-years or so.
Not every problem needs to be solved.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369249)

They don't need to be institutionalized, they just need to be stopped from buying guns. Is that really too much to ask?

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (2, Insightful)

sribe (304414) | about 2 years ago | (#42369379)

They don't need to be institutionalized, they just need to be stopped from buying guns. Is that really too much to ask?

Adam Lanza didn't buy any guns...

Granted, the vast majority of these shooters do buy their own guns through legal channels, so trying to stop the purchase of guns by the deranged is a valid option to explore. But identifying the tiny fraction of strange antisocial people who will commit violent crimes is not as easy as it sounds...

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (3, Insightful)

nospam007 (722110) | about 2 years ago | (#42369413)

"They don't need to be institutionalized, they just need to be stopped from buying guns. Is that really too much to ask?"

How about preventing them from buying fertilizer and Diesel? Or chemicals to make Chlorine gas? Or sprinkling the salad bar with Ricin? ...

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369427)

Some years back there was a lawsuit in Kentucky,,,against a drug company,,,their psychotropic drugs were shown to enhance the possibility of violence against oneself and others,,,the drug company lost but managed to get the records and results sealed anyway... ,,,has been under psychiatric care,,, is a common phrase used to describe rampaging shooters for quite some time now,,,of course with their medical records being sealed who knows how many, if not all of them are on "professionally" prescribed mind altering drugs,,,,

If the government wants to reduce violence they should ban the prescription of such drugs,,,,,being under "psychiatric care" is perhaps one of the true sources of the problem.

How many people are put on that stuff these days, or in recent teacher suggested past,,,,have been put on such things before they get to make a real choice of their own? A lesser subset of those being a long list of kids taking guns to school etc...

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369921)

What the fuck are you doing with those commas?

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369437)

One reason that we can not track mental patients is that most people spend a portion of their lives with some form of mental illness. In essence it is normal to be a bit cracked at times. Secondly the public has refused to fund reasonable mental health care forever. For many individuals treatment is slow, the ability to work is often missing and the cost of effective therapy can be staggering. We also lack a legal system that has any ability to deal with crimes before they happen. In essence we would have to toss the bill of rights down the sewer.
                                Another really thorny problem is that substance abuse is behind much of the violence that we see. And it is not that the person is high at the moment of the crime. But the use of substances that make people feel good often depletes substances and functions in the brain that lead to radical depression and an inability to handle normal loads of stress. Many people confronted with the on set of depression or mental illness turn to substances to feel better and the issues are inevitably amplified. This is exactly what you see in the crazed teens trying to gun down their classmates. They may not have gotten high in days but the overwhelming depression just sweeps their minds away and rage is released. But if you try and tell people that substance abuse is behind almost all crime they will go into denial so fast that you won't believe it. I met one creep who could not be convinced that he did not drive better while taking LSD. He wiped out seven lives on a Florida highway. In addition to the seven dead, he lost his entire lower jaw, can only stand with two crutches and received a 115 year prison sentence. So he will lay in a prison hospital and be thread liquids through a tube until he leaves the planet. No amount of reasoning could control this guy and I have seen it in other addicts as well. For example a declaration that drugs were the center point of their life and they were dedicating their lives to getting high and they would not change that even if they knew they would accidentally kill a few people with their cars along the way. It really is a deep problem.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (1)

Seumas (6865) | about 2 years ago | (#42369621)

One reason that we can not track mental patients is that most people spend a portion of their lives with some form of mental illness

BULLSHIT.

Most people spend a portion of their lives being diagnosed with some bullshit invented form of "mental illness", because it has been the medical oppression's goal (and that of the government, I suppose) to ensure that the DSM provides at least one diagnoses that could apply to EVERY HUMAN BEING. Are you an underachiever? You have ADD! Are you an over-achiever? You have an overwhelming need to please authority and seek approval, you secretly depressed narcissist!

Even being critical of your government or questioning authority qualifies for a mental illness diagnosis.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#42369795)

Oppositional - Defiant Disorder.

Yep.

You fit.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (1)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42369861)

AC makes some sense for once.

Mental Health industry is one giant fucking scam, to enforce the current social order.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (3, Interesting)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | about 2 years ago | (#42369493)

Both the Colorado movie killer and Virginia Tech Killer had been identified with mental illness with red flags.

A constant theme around these is that plenty of people noticed "red flags" in the person, and yet none of them did anything about it to get them help. I think this is probably more 20/20 hindsight than useful observation. And then everyone gets the idea that if only the system worked better, they'd have got help.

How do we improve the system? Who's responsible for getting people help? One person might know someone with social anxiety disorder, while another person might only see a "red flag" in a gun-collecting guy with scruffy hair who never looks anyone in the eye. Is every person who doesn't intimately know you but sees some odd behavior supposed to harass you about getting help?

I think this is a more complicated thing than many will let on, and it's a slippery slope to TSA levels of worthless profiling.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (4, Insightful)

shentino (1139071) | about 2 years ago | (#42369519)

And who the hell do we trust with the power to remove the freedom of others?

I would insist on a jury of shrinks from no less than four different mental health agencies.

I think we should treat it the same way we do criminal justice.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (2)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 2 years ago | (#42369625)

Easier said than done. There are many, many people who match the same symptoms and most of them are not about to start shooting people.

Re:man, that is stupid. cyber think crime, no than (4, Insightful)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42369811)

this guy went on a rampage because he was going to be involntary comitted

what stops this sort of crime is when we start treating people better. Mental Health serivces create these sorts of disasters

but that never seems to be an option.

this can only be described as... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369171)

Doubleplus ungood.

So, terrorists weren't enough (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369175)

Now we're accepting mass surveillance for the sake of stopping rare crazed killers?

How about we provide a proper mental health system instead, so that when people go seeking help early in the process, they actually get it? They're willing to spend billions of dollars on a surveillance state, but heaven forbid parents be able to get the help they need at a reasonable price or for free when their kids have problems.

There's nothing "logical" about the approach they're talking about. It's completely irrational and emotional.

Re:So, terrorists weren't enough (2)

Rockoon (1252108) | about 2 years ago | (#42369453)

Now we're accepting mass surveillance for the sake of stopping rare crazed killers?

You see, you can't take away everyones rights in one big legislation. So instead you take just a small bit of rights away for every million to one shot. There is an endless supply of rare events to rinse and repeat this upon...

Meanwhile we are using drone strikes on American citizens without even a facade of due process...

Re:So, terrorists weren't enough (1)

deimtee (762122) | about 2 years ago | (#42369623)

Meanwhile we are using drone strikes on American citizens without even a facade of due process...

You know, this is the attitude that pisses off most of the rest of the world. You don't even consider that using drone strikes against people who are not US citizens might be wrong.
It's all "Oh no, Obama blew up an American, how terrible". Never mind the Afghan, Iraqi, and Pakistani kids being blown to bits, they're brown and not American so they don't matter.

Re:So, terrorists weren't enough (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 2 years ago | (#42369675)

The entire discussion about crazed killers is irrational and emotional. 55 people/year on average get killed in random mass shootings, and that number hasn't gone up since the 90s despite the impression you might get from the media. More people get killed by lightning each year.

Re:So, terrorists weren't enough (3, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#42369845)

Man is not a rational animal. He is a rationalizing animal.

Heinlein.

Re:So, terrorists weren't enough (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#42369827)

Now we're accepting mass surveillance for the sake of stopping rare crazed killers?

How about we provide a proper mental health system instead, so that when people go seeking help early in the process, they actually get it? They're willing to spend billions of dollars on a surveillance state, but heaven forbid parents be able to get the help they need at a reasonable price or for free when their kids have problems.

There's nothing "logical" about the approach they're talking about. It's completely irrational and emotional.

Although I agree that access to mental health care in the US is both necessary and extraordinarily lacking in the US, you have to realize that Adam Lanza WAS under such care at the time he launched.

Don't expect 'mental health care' to be a panacea. It's all about balancing the society's safety and individual rights. It's always going to be much easier in retrospect (like most other difficult problems, imagine that).

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369183)

How does a city (albeit large) have the budget to do these kinds of things? Isn't traveling around the country to collect information from crime scenes the responsibility of the FBI?

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369601)

By giving out tickets to people who smoke in public and/or sell sodas that are too big.

Re:What? (1)

Seumas (6865) | about 2 years ago | (#42369637)

You don't think cities pay for everything in their city themselves, right? There are many states (most of them red) that actually get MORE money from the rest of the country (via the federal government) than they pay to the federal government. And if you're looking for funding to violate people's liberties and privacy and further the cause of establishment of an ultimate police state? Fuck yeah, you're going to get funding for that from uncle Sam!

Re:What? (0)

BitZtream (692029) | about 2 years ago | (#42369943)

Just a hint for your future trolling, the instant you had to throw in the 'red' comment, you made it clear that you're just pushing a political agenda and not trying to have a meaningful discussion.

Congratulations, you're a fucking politically motivated douche who will be first in line to cut off your nose to spite your face.

NYPD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369195)

The NYPD is a terrorist organization!

Sooner Or Later... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369197)

It will be impossible to ignore Bloomberg and his fiefdom.

Doesn't New York have term limits or something?

Re:Sooner Or Later... (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#42369347)

It will be impossible to ignore Bloomberg and his fiefdom.

Doesn't New York have term limits or something?

Yes, usually it's two terms. Bloomberg had the law amended, and got himself a third term. Next year a new mayor will be voted on for 2014. Politicians in N.Y. are jockeying for that now.

because... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369199)

We all know how well this worked out in Minority Report?

Re:because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369239)

Because we evaluate our ideas based on movies.

Re:because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369319)

...and yet in another two posts you'll be blabbering about 1984 and Animal Farm.

Re:because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369425)

The East German leadership didn't go see Minority Report and look at how well that worked out for them.

Re:because... (2)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 2 years ago | (#42369497)

We all know how well this worked out in Minority Report?

But it DID work in Minority Report. They had a crime free society, and only ONE GUY (played by Tom Cruise) was accused unjustly. Our false conviction rate is WAY higher than that today. The problem with the NYPD plan is not that it is a bad idea in principle, but that it will WILL NOT WORK and is a waste of limited resources. There are only a very tiny number of these deranged killers. Over the past two decades only 1 in 1200 gun deaths was from a mass killer. So the false positive rate will be enormous. Maybe the NYPD should be focusing on the other 99.92% of the problem.

I think this is just grandstanding by politicians that want to be seen "doing something", and will fade away once the media moves on to the next "crisis".

People to identify 'Deranged' politicians (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369205)

through absurd policies.

Seems like a better idea, and only the tyrants rights will get trampled on should the system be abused.

Who gives a shit if we shit on the rights of the tyrants? AMIRIGHT?

It was easy (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 2 years ago | (#42369215)

It wasn't so hard to ban free speech. Now even talking about an FPS match will land you in jail.

Apolitical? (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 2 years ago | (#42369221)

So they are going to start arresting people for not having an interest in politics?

Re:Apolitical? (1)

pla (258480) | about 2 years ago | (#42369501)

So they are going to start arresting people for not having an interest in politics?

You joke? Our leaders love people with no interest in politics.

Just pay your taxes, Citizen, and don't bother looking behind the curtain. It gets so messy back there anyway - You just kick back with your permitted intoxicant of choice, enjoy the Monday Night Gladiatorial games, and let the boys in Washington worry about all that nasty, complicated stuff.

Re:Apolitical? (1)

Seumas (6865) | about 2 years ago | (#42369669)

No. Being pre-occupied with politics (the way one might be with sports or stocks or soap operas, perhaps) will be classified as a mental illness and it will become a failsafe option to whisk anyone away at any time for any reason. Need to rid yourself of some dissenters? Someone threatening to expose your corporate payola scam or secret affair while in office? Have them diagnosed as mentally unstable, due to pre-occupation with politics. Maybe throw in an accusation that they're paranoid or something -- and bam! -- stuck in a padded room.

only problem is... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369233)

The Newton shooter had almost no online presence at all. So how would this have prevented it? Just sounds like an excuse to spy on us.

Re:only problem is... (2)

pla (258480) | about 2 years ago | (#42369641)

The Newton shooter had almost no online presence at all. So how would this have prevented it? Just sounds like an excuse to spy on us.

He also used guns he couldn't legally own - BUT, the guns themselves came from legal, regulated channels; thus, the fearmongering from the left about more stringent background checks, "waiting periods", or closing the "gun show" loophole wouldn't have changed a single aspect of Newtown.

He also apparently only stopped when he got bored, not because someone physically prevented him from reloading - Meaning you can't blame Newtown on the boogeyman of high-capacity magazines.

You want to prevent "gun crime" in the US, deal with the sources of crime in general, not the tools involved. And in the case of mass murderers, that means real (probably chemical) psych intervention for the actual sickos, not some fluffy "but how do you feel" BS counseling sessions for emo kids.

more freedom out the window (1)

Vince6791 (2639183) | about 2 years ago | (#42369241)

So now we have states doing whatever the fuck they wanna do without regards to the constitution. Talking smack online is a crime now. That's what New Yorkers need, NYPD swat breaking into your home and threatening to blow your head off if you move and scare the living shit out of your family, oh yeah and the shooting of pets. Came from a communist country but it was never so bad(nanny state) like here in the U.S. I think these Oligarchies really need to go, they are just using any excuse to take away more rights. But who cares anyway, a country is just an ideology with virtual borders. Why the fuck should anybody listen to a bunch of guys dressed in clown suits wearing those mentally retarded badges calling themselves law enforcement. I think we need a new form of government because this one is just out of control.

Maybe the NYPD can use this tech on their own (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369271)

To try and figure out which cops are going to be rapists, since NYPD seems to have a little rape problem.

Re:Maybe the NYPD can use this tech on their own (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369459)

And maybe the NYPD can actually learn how to fire their own guns more precisely than gang bangers in a drive by. The NYPD were responsible for ALL 9 wounded civilians at the Empire State Building Shooting.

Re:Maybe the NYPD can use this tech on their own (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 2 years ago | (#42369473)

you're so lucky over there in NYC, at least you get to have the chance for an orgasm from police brutality. over here in Chicago, the cops will just beat the crap out of you for entertainment. Well, unless you're a hooker, in which case they'll rape you then beat the crap out of you

Wait a moment... (5, Insightful)

maugle (1369813) | about 2 years ago | (#42369251)

Didn't the latest crazed gunman have almost no Internet presence at all? If this is just an excuse to more closely monitor people online, it's a pretty transparent one.

Re:Wait a moment... (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 2 years ago | (#42369299)

Didn't the latest crazed gunman have almost no Internet presence at all? If this is just an excuse to more closely monitor people online, it's a pretty transparent one.

What?

Did you REALLY think this was going to stop with a ban on scary-looking guns (that are otherwise identical to many hunting rifles, other than using weaker cartridges)?

Re:Wait a moment... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369355)

Clearly the real solution is to arm all the fourth-graders at every elementary school, then this never would have happened!

Re:Wait a moment... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369533)

Clearly the real solution is to arm all the fourth-graders at every elementary school, then this never would have happened!

Schools are already gun-free zones, and let's not forget that murder has been illegal for quite some time. How exactly is gun control supposed to help?

Re:Wait a moment... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369695)

By actually making it difficult for nut-jobs to get guns.

Re:Wait a moment... (1)

rcamans (252182) | about 2 years ago | (#42369705)

They do not need excuses. they already monitor everything. chat, twitter, facebook, emails, shopping, credit card purchases, shipping, everything

Re:Wait a moment... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369617)

your penis is way too small for your ego

It's amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369263)

Any excuse to monitor everyone.
REDRUM..... REDRUM

I love the word "cyber" when used by officials... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369309)

It helps me identify how effective a proposed plan might be. Without even RTFA I see that Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly uses it twice in the space of 2 sentences. On the Super Duper Gratuitous yet Uninformed Use of the Word Cyber Scale, that identifies his plan as absolutely fucking useless (out of ten).

How it actually works. (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 2 years ago | (#42369311)

do{
message=getmessage();
if(message.contains("Mass Effect"))
    email("Alert@fbi.gov", "TERRORIST DETECTED", message);
while(1);

Re:How it actually works. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369445)

You didn't close your squiggly brackets. So what looks superficially like a Do-while loop is actually a do with no while, and, and the while at the end is a self-contained endless loop.

Re:How it actually works. (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#42369899)

You didn't close your squiggly brackets. So what looks superficially like a Do-while loop is actually a do with no while, and, and the while at the end is a self-contained endless loop.

Wow. Slashdot even has code syntax checking. Who knew?

Now, if they could only get Unicode support, we'd be golden. No need for Visual Studio at all!

?! - Even Watson knew that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369341)

?! - Even Watson knew that...

So?! Even IBM Watson knew the answer to those and any else questions. This news is not part of the really big news about this fear.

Or? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/police-dept-to-use-internet-to-try-to-stop-shootings.html?_r=0

Because, when you screw someone, you do. Dangerous examples are recent, Norway, and now the recent school massacre,,, Fuck it. Please.

A fuck should be the intercourse between two humans!!! Not a killing...

Fuck me, the right way.

time fer everyone to play lets pretend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369363)

and when were all sitting in prison cause we're not allowed any more what the fuck
NYPD you suck donkey cock

Re:time fer everyone to play lets pretend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369385)

you, sir, have been identified as a potential mass shooter. Come with us, please.

First they came for ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369401)

First they came for the deranged shoe bomber,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a deranged shoe bomber.

Then they came for the deranged underwear bomber,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a deranged underwear bomber.

Then they came for the deranged gunmen,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a deranged gunmen.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

The End of Freedom (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369477)

New York City has become a model for the new authoritarian state. They have a police force that selective uses the law to harass "undesirables". They have an intelligence operation that extends across most of the country collecting information on people without warrants or even any real suspicion. The story of 911 has taken the already slightly emotionally unstable self-involved personality of New Yorkers and notched it up several degrees. And their fears and phobias have infected most of the country as these folks spread their distorted interpretations of events to the rest of the country through the media they control. Bin Laden won. Musolini made the trains run on time, and Bloomberg is making New York City safe for investment bankers and their servants. And he isn't going to let the borders of his city prevent him from extending the reach of that effort across the country and world.

Of course for the typical person, most of us, this won't matter. We never really test the limits of behavior where we would be noticed by their surveillance. Its the "you don't know you are in jail until you want to get out" syndrome. But its apparent that the idea that everyone has civil rights is passe. Instead, those rights are something to be managed by a ruling elite that has the intelligence and wisdom to properly organize society. It may look like they are a bunch of incompetent failures, but that's because the rest of us aren't smart enough to have the understanding of the world they got while networking at Yale and Harvard.

 

Re:The End of Freedom (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369523)

That's the kind of talk that will get you added to the NYPD's list. You are openly expressing your anger, you are a threat and must be prone to violence.

Well this is helpful (2)

Kindgott (165758) | about 2 years ago | (#42369507)

They just announced to all potential "deranged gunmen" that they shouldn't use the "active shooter" phrases on the internet, or cover their tracks if they do so. Good job.

chasing the symptoms.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369513)

.. without addressing ANY of the root causes.

Yet another waste of taxpayer money and curtailing of our rights.

NYPD corrupt cops sit around surfing web??? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369539)

I just want to make sure I understand.

The corrupt NYPD is a government entity that has a budget and a program to spend it.

But NOW all of a sudden they're going to NOT do police work and instead patrol the
Internet (somewhere they have no jurisdiction)???

AND they are brave enough to put out a press release saying in essence "We won't be
doing our damn jobs. Instead we'll be surfing the net. We'll find criminals. Even if they
have nothing to do with New York" and this is GOOD news???

Fire the corrupt police commissioners. Fire the corrupt officers who came up with this
"we surf the web instead of patrolling our streets" campaign.

E

Hello (0)

Greyfox (87712) | about 2 years ago | (#42369569)

I aM A prETtY Little FloWER

Like A prOM DaTE, MaybE?

enjoY the SilenCE! are you for supper?

TURTLES! now LETs go dream about liTTle breaded CHICKEN FINGERS!

New Cooper Tactic: Google Bad Guys (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369647)

Yeah, that will zurely work.

Check the anti-social networking sites first (1)

FyberOptic (813904) | about 2 years ago | (#42369681)

I'm sure this will work great, since all of the people who do these kinds of thing are very social people who love telling others what they're about to do, and in detailed ways that will trigger a detection.

And then...? (1)

tokencode (1952944) | about 2 years ago | (#42369703)

Then what? If they haven't committed a crime, what are you going to do? Just watch them? If I was a NYC resident I would be pissed that resources that could be used to prevent crime occurring IN NYC were being diverted to look for future criminals on the Internet. Is Bloomberg's term up yet? Will that kind of political statement get me placed on a watch list? Considering one of the last psychos that was planning to kill people in NYC was an NYC cop, this doesn't make me feel safe.

Big Brother (1)

Mimfort (1440441) | about 2 years ago | (#42369723)

Nice. Let's just call it a 'pre-crime' division. More likely it'll just turn into another expensive entrapment racket. Go Go Police State! By the by, forcing the 'deranged' into prisons has its own repercussions on society, not to mention forcing medications with dubious claims of efficacy upon the unwilling.

NYPD is probably the worse & arrogant police d (1)

ancient_kings (1000970) | about 2 years ago | (#42369815)

in the USA. It amazes me that they think they can operate as if they are the CIA/NSA/FBI/DIA/DEA/Marshal all combined into one. Yet, they have not discovered one major terrorist plot...ever... The poor tax payers are getting reamed paying for all this wanna-be Feds who, really, need to be working in a supermarket, bagging groceries. NYPD=losers.

CRIMETHINK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42369817)

It's simple, really. They monitor all your communications and bring you in (for the safety of yourself and of others) when crimethink is detected.

You have a problem with this, citizen? What are YOUR crimes? What do you have to hide?

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