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New Pirate Bay Proxies Spring Up

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the let-a-thousand-flowers-bloom dept.

Censorship 91

Techmeology writes "Just days after the UK Pirate Party was forced to kill its proxy service Pirate Parties in Argentina and Luxembourg have created their own proxies. In a statement, the Pirate Party in Argentina said: 'We wish the UK Pirate Party best of luck in their continued fight for free access to culture and knowledge. We have put up our own Pirate Bay proxy which is accessible from anywhere in the world, including the UK and other places where it has been censored.'"

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91 comments

Well color me shocked. (5, Informative)

erotic_pie (796522) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376449)

Just another case of the internet routing around censorship. Is anyone really truly surprised by this?

Make love, not war! (4, Insightful)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376525)

Make mirrors, not proxies! You know, routing around confiscated servers is difficult.

Re: TPB location (3, Interesting)

DanielRavenNest (107550) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376895)

Exactly where are the Pirate Bay servers? You can't confiscate them if you can't find them.

Re: TPB location (1)

Kjella (173770) | about a year and a half ago | (#42378635)

If they really wanted to take down TPB, who cares? Shut down the domain name and all the IPs it points to today, as long as nobody can reach it then it's for all practical purposes down. I'd be surprised if they even have actual servers anywhere, and not just encrypted tunnels leading to a leased machine or the cloud. In fact, they probably have hot spares they can redirect the tunnels to if any of their "servers" are compromised.

Re: TPB location (4, Informative)

hack slash (1064002) | about a year and a half ago | (#42379085)

They moved to the 'cloud', making it near impossible for authorities to raid the servers the site is hosted on:

http://www.google.com/search?q=tpb+moves+to+the+cloud [google.com]

Re: TPB location (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42379457)

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Re: TPB location (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42379717)

Ultimately, even if TPB is inaccessible, the torrents will still work ( trackerless ).
So the only thing we need is some way to share torrents, which you could even though via mail, IRC , etc...

Worst case you write down the magnet link on a piece of paper and you tie it to a pigeon.

Re: TPB location (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42380451)

I think that might ultimately just move the piracy scene back to these more underground warez spots. These easy-to-use, well known sites might eventually die. When you are already talking about transmitting magnet links via mail or IRC, it becomes much more impractical and the torrents won't get that much seeders anymore.

Care to share? (2)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year and a half ago | (#42378835)

Make mirrors, not proxies! You know, routing around confiscated servers is difficult.

That makes it even more important for everyone to chip in !!

No matter it's mirror or proxy it needs a server to host.

If you have a server to spare, or if your server has bandwidth to spare, please consider sharing what you have to host a public proxy and/or mirror.

BTW, does anyone have any more listing of alternative proxies / mirrors?

Re:Well color me shocked. (2)

skovnymfe (1671822) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376545)

The lawyers, politicians and business CEOs seem consistently surprised every time something like this happens.

Re:Well color me shocked. (3, Insightful)

Jetra (2622687) | about a year and a half ago | (#42377319)

Archaic laws make for archaic thinking.

Re:Well color me shocked. (1)

Grumbleduke (789126) | about a year and a half ago | (#42391749)

Fortunately an increasing number of lawyers, politicians and business CEOs *aren't* surprised by this (speaking as someone well on his way to becoming two of those). At some point they will reach critical mass in each of the fields and we might see some real progress.

Re:Well color me shocked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376701)

I am surprised they can afford it. I can't imagine how much bandwidth this could use up? Normally a VPN or web proxy costs good money.

Re:Well color me shocked. (4, Informative)

dinfinity (2300094) | about a year and a half ago | (#42378515)

There are a lot of proxies:
http://about.piratereverse.info/proxy/list.html [piratereverse.info]

Actually, there are a lot of proxy lists:
https://www.google.com/search?q=tpb+proxies [google.com]

Really, trying to legal block proxies on the internet is one of the dumbest things ever.

Re:Well color me shocked. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376761)

"You can't stop the signal, Mal!" - the funny looking guy on the movie, Serenity.

Re:Well color me shocked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376791)

"You can't stop the signal, Mal!" - the funny looking guy on the movie, Serenity.

That'd be Mr. Universe.

Re:Well color me shocked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376845)

"You can't stop the signal, Mal!" - the funny looking guy on the movie, Serenity.

That'd be Mr. Universe.

And the signal seems to say "buff guys LIKE buff guys!"
http://beautycontests.blogspot.com/2012/07/best-of-mister-universe-model-2012.html [blogspot.com]

Re:Well color me shocked. (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42377573)

Nah, either "that guy from Numbers" or "that guy from 10 things I hate about you".

Re:Well color me shocked. (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year and a half ago | (#42379029)

Nah, either "that guy from Numbers" or "that guy from 10 things I hate about you".

Nope. That guy from "Addams Family Values"

Re:Well color me shocked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42379111)

Nope. That guy from "Slums of Beverly Hills" who at one point sings in his underwear...

do not click [cinema.de]

Re:Well color me shocked. (1)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about a year and a half ago | (#42377377)

We are the internet. Resistance is futile.

Re:Well color me shocked. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42378017)

Until the countries block them at the edge....which is simple to do.

I guess you're ok with child pornography, though, right? I mean, to block it would be censorship...

Re:Well color me shocked. (1)

Dr_Barnowl (709838) | about a year and a half ago | (#42378907)

If you block it, how do you catch paedos by tracing it?

Child porno already has relevant laws covering it. You don't need to add a means of censorship which can and will be arbitrarily extended to cover anything else the government doesn't like, like people who don't like them.

Re:Well color me shocked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42379045)

If you block it, how do you catch paedos by tracing it?

Why bother? It's a giant waste of money, and it's thanks to the "for the children" crowd that we're even wasting that money trying to catch people who look at images/videos.

Re:Well color me shocked. (1)

KingBenny (1301797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42468681)

i remember people getting together to swap floppies on a friday night when i was like thirteen of fourteen or something maybe and i think piracy back then was still the privilege of long john silver
everyone knows it's a waste of money since people are still making money and very few companies seem to go bust
but i think this fight is about saving face somehow, i wonder how much money spent on lawyers could be invested in exploring new business models, but the lawyers will ofcourse not agree since it's their way of making a living and this question and this answer have all been posed and given before so what am i doing ... i'll just shut up about it

This quote never stops being true (4, Interesting)

Bogtha (906264) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376463)

The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

-- John Gilmore

Re:This quote never stops being true (1)

ickleberry (864871) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376879)

Pity Eamon Gilmore and his lower ranking party pee-on Sean Sherlock don't understand this

Re:This quote never stops being true (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376983)

The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

The majority ( > 90% ) of hops in the "routing around" damage remain the same.

If one of those Tier 1 providers decides to impose censorship, your catchy axiom will fall flat on its face.

Re:This quote never stops being true (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year and a half ago | (#42377019)

It would be more accurate to say the people on the internet interpret censorship as damage. People are a lot smarter than routers.

Re:This quote never stops being true (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year and a half ago | (#42379031)

It would be more accurate to say the people on the internet interpret censorship as damage. People are a lot smarter than routers.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it."

Re:This quote never stops being true (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42377649)

If one of those Tier 1 providers decides to impose censorship, your catchy axiom will fall flat on its face.

And the Tier 1 providers would fall flat on their face(s), do you not realize how resource intensive performing DPI on all that traffic would be on a major backbone? thought not.

Re:This quote never stops being true (1)

i-reek (1140437) | about a year and a half ago | (#42378483)

Except if you live in Syria, of course.

Free access (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376603)

Well I would like free access to Argentinian culture. So I would like free airfares, free accommodation, free food, free entry into every museum, theatre, free transport in Argentina, after all Artists, Scientists and Engineers work just as hard as Pilots, Chefs,Hotel Staff, Museum Staff, Taxi drivers, etc etc etc all of whom expect to be paid for their contributions to society, but why should they ?

Re:Free access (1)

Xeno man (1614779) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376669)

Free culture is about thoughts and ideas, not goods and services.

Re:Free access (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376831)

Both come from peoples labour.

But to truly experience a culture one must immerse ones self in it, the sights, sounds, smells, the ebb and flow of people as they go about their lives, the food, the heat of the day, the weather, all these are part of the culture...... why do you wish me not to experience the culture for free ?

Re:Free access (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42379239)

You can experience the culture for free. Walk around the areas with culture. Most museums I've been to were free (for at least some portion of the exhibits). And walking into a restaurant or hotel is free.

Re:Free access (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42396677)

If for every science, engineer, surgeon, transportist or other normal work you get paid only once, when you do your work. Why it is expected the artists to get paid one millon times if there is one millon copies of their work? Let`s pay them for every performance they do, and let people enjoy for free the copies of their work. Specially when there is no cost involved in copying.

Why does /. post every Pirate Party press release? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376605)

Pirate Parties are probably just RIAA/MAFIAA honeypots, and all of you are falling for it. It's a brilliant scheme, exact same tactic the CIA used to use to get inside of dissident groups and gather intelligence.

Re:Why does /. post every Pirate Party press relea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376709)

Interesting, i'd like to subscribe to your newsletter and join your PAC.

Re:Why does /. post every Pirate Party press relea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376823)

Yes, good goyim, why don't you join AIPAC, [jrbooksonline.com] the best PAC?

We run the United States and their beloved media industry and have planted and bought off politicians throughout the world. There's plenty of monies in it for you who serve the Jew.

-- Schlomo Goldstein

p.s., a Christmas carol for you all, beloved friends:

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That he was going to crash his sleigh into a toy store and people were gonna die,

But the CIA made NORAD go somewhere else because their intelligence was lies.

Santa crashed into the toy store, that airborne bomb he flew,

The toy store fell to the ground, It's buildings one and two,

But a third, unrelated building also fell miles askew,

And its insurance money was paid out to its owner, a Jew.

Just like a Hydra monster (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376633)

Chop off one head, multiple ones spring up in its place.

Re:Just like a Hydra monster (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376771)

Look at it from the hydra's perspective. We're just doing our thing, and you rat bastard monsters start chopping off our heads! You need to die a slow painful death.

Re:Just like a Hydra monster (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42379565)

Yea, but continue chopping long enough and maybe the hydra will overflow and die. Hopefully it's only 16 or 32 bit, because if it's 128bit then it will take a long time.

Proxies (2)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376637)

You don't need your own proxies. Just tell people to use Tor. It'll access TPB and other torrent sites just fine. Just remind them that downloading the torrent files (or magnet links) might be anonymized, but trying to tor-ify your bittorrent client is an excercise in futility, as well as seriously degrading the limited resources of the network; Nobody routes bittorrent traffic on Tor.

Re:Proxies (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42378461)

Routing BitTorrent over Tor is bad idea and you should never ever do it. But guess what, if you do want to anonymize your BitTorrent traffic, there's a protocol for that: OneSwarm [wikipedia.org] . It's not a perfect solution, but it does something similar to what you actually wanted when you thought you wanted to run BitTorrent over Tor.

The PERFECT Solution (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376737)

Artists must work for free, they must produce a certain amount of art each year for free, musicians must hold concerts for free, their work can be freely copied and distributed.

HOWEVER, they are entitled to anything THEY WANT for free.... a house, car, food, electronics.... they can walk in with their RIAA/MPAA or what ever card it is into any business and take what that want for free, the cost of these goods/services (NOT including profit) gets spread evenly among the employer and all employees.

So here we have it. The artist works for everyone for free and everyone works for the artists free, the perfect solution.

We get free access to culture, they get free access to society.

Re:The PERFECT Solution (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376789)

That's so asinine - no, sorry, it's just stupid.

Artists are entitled to a fair wage for their services. If artists get off their butts, go out, and perform their arts, they can get paid. The problem with the current scheme of things is, beginning artists believe that if they sign with a record label, do a few songs, they should be on easy street for the rest of their lives.

Soon enough, they figure out that the game is rigged, and if they stop performing, easy street turns into a dead-end. But the LABEL continues to reap profits for nothing for another hundred years, plus eternity.

Almost nothing stands between the artist and the audience. Entertain, and you'll be rewarded. You may not become zillionaires going that route, but you'll be rewarded.

Re:The PERFECT Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376981)

Which explains why the majority of artists have to hold down full time jobs to support their art, its not that they have no talent, its just that to be able to live like the rest of society they have to live like the rest of society and have a day job.

I have friends who tried the pub band gigs, they all held "regular jobs" raging from a DJ at a small radio station to a University lecturer in Microbiology. The "art" was relegated to a hobby much like model trains, they had a family to support and lives to lead, one quit all together did an MBA and is now driving a Lamborghini by being on various boards of large companies, his son has just signed a record deal AFTER he too gained an MBA.

The people who are the most passionate about art being free are the ones who have nothing to contribute.

Re:The PERFECT Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42379101)

The people who are the most passionate about art being free are the ones who have nothing to contribute.

So you're saying that there isn't a single artist that has these beliefs? Your ad hominems aren't even amusing, and that assertion is dubious at best.

Re:The PERFECT Solution (1)

richlv (778496) | about a year and a half ago | (#42384059)

there is no guaranteed income in being... well, anybody. and there is no such thing for being an artist.
artists feel entitled to holding longer and longer monopolies on culture, as if they came in and did it all in an empty space, without relying on any previous influences.

limiting copying is not an answer, unless the question is "how do we milk this outdated business model a bit longer". copyright will have to change, unless more or less free part of the world changes to a society that is as totalitarian as the "usual suspects".

there is an overproduction in almost any art field, and it is being advertised so everybody wants the latest only. resources for creating art are available so much more that everybody can be producing it, instead of all of us being consumers that are dependent on these few "gatekeepers of culture".
there is no way for anybody to listen to all music or view all movies produced. society is slowly trying to say that maybe some of those artists should do something else.
copyright law change that would only restrict commercial use (making personal use free) would restore sanity in this field.

Re:The PERFECT Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42389689)

I think that the issue isn't whether art should be free: 'It shouldn't'. Or whether piracy is the downfall of western society: 'It isn't'.

The issue is that copyright has morphed from his original purpose. You sort of hit on the issue a bit: Which is the excessive length of copyright terms. That, IMO is the biggest problem in this equation. When something first comes out, and all those involved are allowed a period to reap the benefit, I don't see a problem with that, but then when you get a situation where a record label can just wait for all of it's artists to die off, and then STILL rest on their laurels 40 years later, without allowing our own cultural history to pass into the public domain, there is a major problem.

The problem with this issue is that the abuses of the RIAA/MPAA are SO extreme that it causes a cultural backlash against the idea of artists making a living from their art at all. I think that had the RIAA/MPAA picked their battles more carefully, this backlash wouldn't likely have developed. The sad reality is that the RIAA/MPAA have effectively created a mindset amongst their adversaries, in their understandable quest to stick it to the man, that artists have no need to make a living. I think the real solution is to stop listening to RIAA music. Go seek out independent music. You might be delighted at what you find. Support these folks as much as you can: They need it a hell of a lot more than some big label band with millions of dollars behind them.

Re:The PERFECT Solution (1)

richlv (778496) | about a year and a half ago | (#42391595)

70 years or more.

and no, there is not point to stick that artists have no need to make a living, just that this need has to be proportionate to what the society finds appropriate - if artists think that society is paying too little, well, too bad - they probably should do something else... just like any other profession out there.

as for independent music, it;s hard to categorise. instead i do not buy cds (except at concerts), go to concerts whenever i have some time, buy t-shirts and other merch. no easy profit from me, but i did get 4 t-shirts from paprika korps last time (they were well priced, i'd get more but they had run out of the ones i wanted ;) )

Re:The PERFECT Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42378329)

or we value the artist work at what people are willing to pay for it. Umm seems that is £.0.0. Either find your self a rich vanity patron or go away and starve.

There are too many so called artists anyway not like the world would notice a few less.

Re:The PERFECT Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42378969)

thats the way it used to be, art, music, culture was restricted to the wealthy gentry.

However its not the crappy artists the people are pirating.

Re:The PERFECT Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42379505)

Whenever the food they want for free can be digitally copied and distributed to many whilst the original remains in the restaurant, that seems like a fair exchange.

The more you tighten your grip (4, Funny)

houghi (78078) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376741)

"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
                                -- Princess Leia [youtube.com] to Grand Moff Tarkin

Re:The more you tighten your grip (1)

CanEHdian (1098955) | about a year and a half ago | (#42379331)

Pirate Party: What is it?
Lame User: [interrupts] This scheme of yours has failed, Lord Torrent. The blockade is complete. We dare not go against the Judges.
Pirate Party: Cool User, I don't want this stunted slime in my sight again. [Lamer leaves] This turn of events is unfortunate. We must accelerate our plans. Begin setting up your proxies.
Cool User: My lord! Is that... legal?
Pirate Party: I will make it legal.
Cool User: And the Judges?
Pirate Party: The MAFIAA-UK should never have brought them into this! Kill the copyright laws immediately!
Cool User: Yes...yes, my lord. As you wish.

Barbra Streisand effect (2)

Aethedor (973725) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376755)

Seriously judges. Just give it up. You're only making it 'worse'.

Re:Barbra Streisand effect (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376835)

Seriously judges. Just give it up. You're only making it 'worse'.

Quoted "worse"? Does that mean "better" or did you have too many quotes on your desk and thought of sharing some with us?

Re:Barbra Streisand effect (2)

Aethedor (973725) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376857)

Worse for the record-mafia and their judge-friends. Better for the rest of the world.

Slow learners (4, Insightful)

benjfowler (239527) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376865)

I'm a little aghast at what slow learners the pro-copyright corporatist extremists and their front groups really are.

I've convinced that they will never learn ever -- and that we'll simply have to wait a generation for these stupid, venal old white men to die before they are replaced by people willing to see logic and reason, and realize that locking up culture behind contrived barriers, and lobbying/corrupting government into propping up their broken business models is a long term losing proposition.

The MAFIAA are proof that human greedy and stupidity is truly infinite.

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42376909)

Please tell us, what is the NEW business model ?

From you post, I gather they are not allowed to sell their work, so what options are left ?
Advertising, well ad blockers are popular , so that business model is already broken too
Concerts, Umm... well if I can get all their music for free why would I pay to go to a concert ? Given that flying a Band, Stage setup, venue hire, etc etc etc plus the ability to live for the rest of the year for everyone costs a lot of money and they will have no other income ticket prices will rise, either that or the business model you envision is the mediocre pub band who make their real living in other ways.

Explain in detail exactly what this new business model is as you obviously think you have a much better idea.

Re:Slow learners (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42377017)

Concerts, Umm... well if I can get all their music for free why would I pay to go to a concert ?

I go to concerts. One of my favorite musicians only sells his CDs at a concert (but has free downloads and links to youtube with his songs on his site). I went to the concert and bought the CD so I would have a higher quality copy and so I could see him perform live (the concert).

I go to about 10 concerts a year, even though I probably have the records or files (or at least could get them if I wanted). I also buy records, tapes and CDs. The piracy is just an addition - I would not buy more records if I couldn't download anything (because I already spend as much as I can on records and currently have about 500 of them (and 200 cassettes, but a lot of those are pirated, mostly because I could not find the records for sale, so I had to borrow and copy them)).

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42377233)

I DONT go to concerts. The cost of travel from where I live, the accommodation plus the cost of the concert its self would easily set me back $800-$1000 for that kind of money I can buy ever CD the artist has ever done and still have change.

I do go to local theatre.

I too have hundreds of CDs and DVDs which I have been happy to pay for and I don't begrudge the artists one cent for them, they have something I want, something I can't make myself, and in return I get something I can enjoy time and time again. I DONT pirate music.

Re:Slow learners (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42377273)

I go to local concerts only - I don't go to a concert in another country (well, if I was in that country for other reasons then I probably would go).

However, sometimes I cannot find the record that I want for sale, so I either have to borrow and copy it to tape or download a pirate copy.

I don't really download any music anymore. But the point remains - even if piracy was completely stopped tomorrow I would not be buying more records or CDs - not unless I robbed a bank or something.

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42377431)

Who said about going to concerts in another country, the concerts simply do not come to where I live in my own country.

There are lots of things I can not buy or I am unwilling to pay the asking price for, I do without.

I have not gone and blessed myself with an entitlement that allows me to take something if I can not buy it. No one is obligated to supply you what you want, when you want, in the format you want at the price you want or even make anything they do available at all.

This however says it all "even if piracy was completely stopped tomorrow I would not be buying more records or CDs - not unless I robbed a bank or something."
You believe you are entitled to something, and if you either can't or are simply unwilling to pay for it you have given yourself the the god given right to pirate it, ie to take something and not pay.

Re:Slow learners (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42379375)

I'm going to a concert in another country next year, September 2nd.

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42396761)

when you go to concerts you help the artist, when you buy cds, you only help the discographic and little or none goes to the artist.
so, if you want to promote music is much, much better to go to concerts than to buy cds or dvd or blue rays. Unless the artist have a really good contract with the discographic, wich almost never happens (Although there are few exceptions)

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42377491)

1999 called and said they wanted their argument back. The higher quality argument is completely negated with artists offering FLAC and WAV downloads.

Re:Slow learners (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42378757)

Not everyone offers flac or wav downloads, there are some music that is only available as mp3 on TPB, not flac.
So, in some cases, buying the CD gets higher quality. Buying the record almost always gets higher quality, not because of some inherent quality of the record, but because the record was made before everyone started compressing the dynamic range to 3dB and re-releases on CD are usually compressed.

Re:Slow learners (2, Insightful)

benjfowler (239527) | about a year and a half ago | (#42377581)

I presume that by you posting Anonymous Coward, and by mischievously lying about what I said, that you are shilling for the MAFIAA.

Nevertheless I'll reply to your lies and misrepresentations.

Please tell us, what is the NEW business model ?

From you post, I gather they are not allowed to sell their work, so what options are left ?

Lie #1. I did NOT say that artists could not sell their work. What I DID say, is that MAFIAA criminals should not be allowed to saddle us with stupid, onerous laws and endless copyright, because some ageing conservative white male retard can't figure out how to stream music, instead of selling merchandise, concert tickets, or streamed music.

Advertising, well ad blockers are popular , so that business model is already broken too

Yes. What are you going to do about it? Anybody with half a fucking brain could tell you that you can't make the world revolve on banner ads alone. Just because we've managed this long doesn't mean it's sustainable.

Concerts, Umm... well if I can get all their music for free why would I pay to go to a concert ?

You are a profoundly stupid and ignorant person. Fans are only too happy to support their favourite artists by paying big money to go to concerts and buy their merchandise. Statistics show that while record company revenue from shiny bits of plastic are falling (and despite their despicable behaviour and acts of political corruption and bastardry), revenue from live concerts is increasing year on year. Record companies now sign artists on comprehensive deals, which includes recording, merchandise, concert promotions-- the whole kit and kaboodle. Get your facts straight.

Given that flying a Band, Stage setup, venue hire, etc etc etc plus the ability to live for the rest of the year for everyone costs a lot of money and they will have no other income ticket prices will rise, either that or the business model you envision is the mediocre pub band who make their real living in other ways.

Explain in detail exactly what this new business model is as you obviously think you have a much better idea.

You must have been born with calipers. That is what normal and rational people call a 'straw man argument'. Would you like me to spell it out for you?

Frankly, the record industry can fuck off and die in a fire. With the Internet, modern computers and software, record companies are about as useful as tits on the proverbial bull. Like all middlemen, they are parasites, and only serve to enrich themselves on the talents and hard work of good artists, and the naivete of the general public. The 'curation' function of record companies is no longer required. The criminal MAFIAA's associates employee fuck-all people, pay fuck-all tax, do fuck-all for the health of our culture, and will serve us best by collectively eating shit and dying.

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42378061)

So if Artists are entitled to sell their work, copyright is simply protecting that right. In fact this protection is no different from GPL, GPL in crude terms says if you use some GPL code as the basis of your product you are forced to pay via the supply of your code instead of cash. It is the same principle, payment back to the people who created the original works, and the originator is entitled to set what terms and condition they like, that is called capitalism.

Streaming music is available, at its most basic a large number of radio stations are available over the internet from all over the world, as are a ton of music videos on youtube, so are other services such as spotify. If you also want to you can opt in with iTunes, Amazon, Google and others I am sure who offer cloud based music matching service for music that you own that you can stream.

And if piracy is not a crime, counterfeit merchandise will also not be a crime.

Can you show evidence for all musicians that they all make more money from concerts than from records and royalties ?

There are also a ton of independent musicians who have tried the "pay what you want" route with music download sites, they would all have been better off flipping burgers for a living

The large fan bases are there because of the music labels, please name 5 successful bands with large live fan bases who made it there without the labels, Now tell me if you had to use google to do it.

As for musicians, they too are free to sign what ever contracts they want, or am I to believe you feel you believe you should have a say ?
If on one hand you believe the musicians are smart enough to run their own band, market themselves, etc etc etc, why are all of them so stupid as to sign with the record labels.....

The record labels also have a ready source of session musicians which is why a lot of concerts sound so thin, they dont have the orchestral instruments there in the backing.

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42379149)

that is called capitalism.

The government trying to enact artificial scarcity by giving certain individuals monopolies over ideas is hardly a good example of capitalism. It seeks to tell what people can do with their own real property (can't use your own resources to produce a book with certain content) and even brings in censorship.

If artists want to make money, they can try to find a business model that works. And guess what? That isn't anyone's responsibility except theirs. That is capitalism.

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42396799)

counterfait is another thing. People who counterfait are winning money and lying to the people. That`s clear is not good.
Other thing is to share what you have. For millenia people shared their stuff without problem. So... Why now is so complicated to share what you have with your friends?

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42378367)

how about a radical model , where when you sell it to me I do anything I want with something I now own ?

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42378543)

you are being sold a licence to use, not ownership.

So for example where I live this gives me the right to transcode the CD and put it on my iPod, it does NOT give me the right to copy and sell those copies.
It allows me then to listen to it as many times as I like at no extra cost

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42378737)

you are being sold a licence to use, not ownership.

Not according to the commercial.

And if the distributors come clear with what they are offering then customers will probably no be willing to pay the listed price.

Re:Slow learners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42381565)

you are being sold a licence to use, not ownership.

In that case the format I use that license with is irrelevant and format shifting isn't a problem. In fact if I have a "license to use" there's absolutely no legal reason why I couldn't download a copy of a film from somewhere like The Pirate Bay, provided I have at some point purchased this "license to use": say, I bought the DVD years ago but the disk is destroyed or lost. Because I still own that "license to use".

Not only to these people want their cake and to eat it, they want my cake, your cake and free Government supplied cake into the bargain.

Re:Slow learners (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about a year and a half ago | (#42379109)

Please tell us, what is the NEW business model ?

Except for the people who need one, that's not anyone's problem.

Re:Slow learners (1)

richlv (778496) | about a year and a half ago | (#42384113)

why are all pro-strict-copyright comments on this article by anonymous cowards ? has riaa & friends discovered slashdot ?

new business model might be producing some product which actually is beneficial enough for the society so they are willing to pay for it, instead of trying to out-legislate copying (which does not deprive original author). there is no entitlement to income by doing music or whatever (nevertheless, limited copyright for commercial use seems to make a lot of sense).

Re:Slow learners (1)

DanielRavenNest (107550) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376951)

"Genius has it's limits. Stupidity knows no bounds." - Anon.

Whose money did they spend? (3, Interesting)

advantis (622471) | about a year and a half ago | (#42376961)

All that money spent in the courts to get ISPs to block the Pirate Bay from direct access, and by the ISPs to implement the ruling, and for what? It appears only the lawyers won. The artists aren't any better off as a result, the "industry" isn't getting any fatter, and the pirates were only slightly inconvenienced for the five minutes it took to find a way around the blockade. You know, given this perspective, I'd suggest that the "industry" spends that money helping people in Africa or poor regions of the US (yeah, I crack myself up sometimes).

accessible from ... the UK (1)

davidwr (791652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42377173)

accessible from anywhere in the world, including the UK

I wonder how many UK-business days before this is no longer the case?

thats going to get them .tell everyone about them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42377231)

gee when pirates become "solid" the world will be a better place.

Oblig Daily Mash (4, Interesting)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about a year and a half ago | (#42377781)

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/pirate-bay-proxy-ban-causes-seconds-of-inconvenience-2012122054253

Host BitTorrent Sites Via BitTorrent (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42378085)

Why must I go to some remote location every single time I wanna search for a torrent, which in most cases has been added a long time ago? That site could be down, or slow, or betray me to the SOPA commies... It would be better if I scraped torrent sites into a local database, updated via a daily cron job, and then searched for torrents via tools running locally on my system, which would pass the magnet link to the BitTorrent downloader program. (Just storing magnet links would require very little disk space, but even storing all metadata, comments, and the torrent file isn't unrealistic given today's HDD price per GB.) I'd then share that database and related tools via P2P, so everyone would have their own read-only Pirate Bay on their own hard drive. And, once many users would have these tools bootstrapped, their db sync functionality can be extended to adding new torrents and submitting comments in a P2P manner - far more resilient than a single Web-site / domain name.

If only my time was infinite... I didn't even yet make any headway on my current project - to scrape all Slashdot comments and dump the database to BitTorrent... ;-)

--libman

Control (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42380557)

Even if TPB proxies and mirrors can be sprung like mushrooms, there could be major problems if the master site is closed. Sure, you can make a mirror of the torrent files and send around the magnet links and it will work. But after that, how can you add new torrents, and do other kind of administration? Who and how will then moderate everything?

Re:Control (1)

Dr.Ruud (98254) | about a year and a half ago | (#42384407)

Usenet comes to mind.

Explains a lot (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | about a year and a half ago | (#42380757)

I was wondering why they didn't even throw up a token defense (spend a single day in court) when they were charged to take down the proxies. They clearly knew that their friends in other jurisdictions would take up the fight. Now any attempt to take down the other proxies will look like desperate acts of desperate people.

Can't wait to see the next move in this one-sided chess game.

"Rights"? (1)

Alimony Pakhdan (1855364) | about a year and a half ago | (#42385109)

I sure wish people would quit pretending that there was any issue of "rights" here. Even in the EU they have not defined a right to entertainment or to not paying for entertainment.

New Pirate Bay Proxies Spring Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42473171)

I found two proxys that always worked fine for me.
http://thepiratebay.psb.cu.cc
http://thedarkbay.psb.cu.cc

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