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How Many Hours Do You Work in a Week?

Cliff posted more than 13 years ago | from the how-hard-do-you-work dept.

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Gnight asks: "After reading a recent article at ABC News stating that U.S. citizens work more than any other industrialized country, I have started to wonder more about the subject. So my question is, how much does the average slashdot reader work in a week? Where do you live? and What do you do?" Slashdot did an informal poll on this a long time ago, but it was more from the workday standpoint, though it looked like the majority of us were working 9-10 hour days. Is it still the same today as it was almost 2 years ago?

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416 comments

Working for government (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#247635)

I barely work 8 hours a day, if that, when various distractions are included. I don't make as much as those who work in the private sector, but I do get to go home at 5:00 and have a life outside of work.

Of course watching the state-sponsored work ethic has done more than anything to influence my political beliefs toward Libertarian.

Re:Hours (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#247636)

So, your database guy can't read or write then? Or is it, you can't be bothered to DOCUMENT how it is you do things around there? It is SOOO easy for someone to complain about thier 'importance' to the company, when the fact is, they simply create more work for themselves by being disorganized.

Don't feel bad, you are in good company. Most IT 'profesionals' keep everything in thier heads. They are also the ones bitching about 'no vacation time, I'm too important'.

This goes true for most any 'service' type job, the guys that are REALLY good at it, make it look easy. The hacks complain about how difficult the job really is, and look for sympathy.

I still manage to command top dollar for my services, and my number of actual 'work' hours has declined steadily for the last 4 years (before, I was 'too important' to take vacations.)
The pay is for knowing where to hit the machine with the hammer. (for those of you who know that story, you will 'get it')

Which one are you, reader?

Let's see. (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#247637)

...~40 hours a week at "real" job ...~15-30 hours a week shooting for F1RST P0ST.

how long do I work or how long am I AT work? (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#247638)

I'm at work 40 hours a week. I work about 5.

Yeah, but that's 10 _Canadian_ Hours (4)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#247639)

Which is like what, six American hours?

I generaly aim for 40 hrs a week (2)

Zachary Kessin (1372) | more than 13 years ago | (#247645)

I in general work 40-45 hrs a week. And will not work at all on the Jewish Sabbath, (Friday sundown to sat sundown). I don't care what blew up don't call me. Life is too short to work 70 hrs a week.

Depends (4)

ptomblin (1378) | more than 13 years ago | (#247650)

Do you count the hours I'm at work? Do you subtract from that the hours I spend reading Slashdot and The Register? How about the Half Life games? And the time spent talking to my cow orkers about non-work stuff?

Do you add back in the hours when I've woken up in the middle of the night with a brilliant idea of how to solve the latest problem? And do you count just the time awake writing it down so I don't forget it, or the time I spent mulling it over in my mind while half-asleep or watching TV? Do you add in the time I spend going over the code in my mind while driving to and from work?

Do you add or subtract the time I spend at home working on my free software project, because while it's time I *don't* spend mulling over work problems, it's also time that keeps me sharp and remembering when software development was fun.

Face it, the concept of hours worked is meaningless, and mostly used by people who mistake action for progress.

I once worked on a job with a bunch of droids from Andersen Consulting. Andersen had a corporate culture of working 24 hours a day during crunch times, and it was *always* crunch times. I bought into it on one project with them, and used to wonder if it was worth getting undressed and into bed when I stumbled back to my hotel room at 4am realizing that I had a breakfast meeting at 6:30. But the second time I worked with these guys, I was working with a guy on this problem and we were going around in circles. I recognized what we were doing, and said that I was going home at 11:30pm. I got back into work the next morning, and the Anderoid was still working on the problem, having been there all night. And it appeared that all he'd done was try the same ideas we'd already tried twice before I went home. I, on the other hand, had realized what the problem was while showering and on the drive in had formulated a solution which had worked first time.

My current job (2)

jd (1658) | more than 13 years ago | (#247654)

Is a 40-hour week. That's not too bad, when you think about it. Pull 2 all-nighters, and get the rest of the week off! :)

My previous job was a bit tougher. 80 hours/week, no benefits, no overtime, no sick leave, no lunch break - in fact, no breaks at all.

Arguably, the previous company I worked for broke more employment laws than most companies have shareholders. About the only redeeming feature was (and is) that the people running the company have alienated so many people, they're unlikely to sell another product again. Sometimes, greed is expensive.

reflective of American values (5)

ragnar (3268) | more than 13 years ago | (#247662)

I think this simply reflects something about the American value system. Some Americans will regard other nations as being lazy, but it really just comes down to how you define personal accomplishment. In America one of the early questions people ask is "what do you do", and invariable the answer beings with "I'm a [insert profession here]" instead of "I do [insert profession here]" In America, you are what you do professionally, and it is natural to have some pressure to do it well.

I have lots of issues with this, and the 40 hour workweek is simply a mental trap for making good students into good consumers. Consider this for a moment... if there was some device that you could use at work that would increase your productivity by 20%, why do you still work 5 days a week. Why not be happy and work 4 days, assuming that the cost of the device were recovered.

My take on this is that the length of the workweek has nothing to do with the work that has to be done. There is always more work that can be done, and there are always ways of shirking off the task of getting stuff done. I know both from experience. ;)

My point here (and I do have one) is that this is a reflection of American values to work and consume. It is a value system I don't like very well, but I'll confess that I buy into it implicitely. This is an interesting topic though.

35h/week (1)

Frederic54 (3788) | more than 13 years ago | (#247663)

9am to noon
1pm to 5pm
monday to friday
I don't do overtime, as I'm paid for 25h even if I make 40 (or 30 :o)
BTW I live 5 minutes from home, so it's pretty cool!
My job is network and unix engineer, but most of my work is coding (C on QNX) and I like that
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Re:35h/week (1)

Frederic54 (3788) | more than 13 years ago | (#247664)

should be
"I live 5 minutes from work"
sorry :)
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Depends on the customer (2)

emag (4640) | more than 13 years ago | (#247665)

Being a consultant for a company, every week seems to entail going to a different customer, so the hours vary. Lately, though, it's been:

- 8-10 hours/day at customer
- 2-4 hours/day commute
- 3-5 hours/day at home catching up on corporate e-mail and changes (200+ messages/day, and I don't think I'm on all the lists I need to be)

Then there's the weekend where I routinely spend another 3-4 hours a day catching up on corporate email.

So, that's 11-15 hours/day working, plus commute. God, I hate LA traffic.

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20 a week (2)

Ross C. Brackett (5878) | more than 13 years ago | (#247668)

"Work less, spend less, live more fully"

Right now, I work 8 hours a day. However, my material needs are few and I just end up saving most of what I earn. Of course, I don't want to wake up in 20 years having worked my youth away. So, I've been thinking about cutting my hours in half. I'd much rather be out running around getting into trouble and stuff than working, anyway. The nice thing about working in IT is that I could probably afford it, although it would make my life rather spartan.

Has anyone reading this tried it? Were you able to really use your time wisely, or did you find the lack of structure led to laziness? Was the cut in pay more drastic than you had anticipated? And input you folks can offer would be helpful.

Re:significant change (1)

Bob McCown (8411) | more than 13 years ago | (#247674)

Im working for a .com startup (wish me luck) and putting in around 60 a week. ~6am to anywhere between 4:30 and 6pm...

Work regluations in Norway (1)

Lothar (9453) | more than 13 years ago | (#247675)

Government regulation in Norway states that a maximum of 40 hours extra per month is allowed. And for that you have to apply. Without applying it's like 20 hours or something.

If you do work more - the company might get fined if there is a review.

And there I was working 135 hours extra without knowing this...no wonder my boss got into trouble.

As long as you don't push your luck you're fine. Keeping it to a reasonable level is best for PHB and for yourself. Always remember - "you work to live!" and not "live to work"

it depends. (2)

Phexro (9814) | more than 13 years ago | (#247676)

i'm a salaried programmer, so if i'm trying to meet a deadline, i work like crazy. 11-13 hour days, 7 days a week, until it's done. so around 80-90 hours a week.

however, if i'm working on a slower/less important project, or if i'm doing design instead of actual code... it's more like 6-8 hours, 5 days a week, or 30-40 hours a week.

it kinda sucks not getting paid for all that overtime, but i guess all the slacking off i do during the slow periods (e.g. reading slashdot :)) makes up for it.
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Dresden, Germany (1)

Nickus (10876) | more than 13 years ago | (#247679)

I work as a unix manager in Dresden, Germany and I usually put down 50 hours a week. 60 hours when it is more hectic. Not counting the hours I do work from home ofcourse.

When you have DSL connection to your home you usually do more work also since it is like sitting there.

This is the dirty work of advertising... (1)

copponex (13876) | more than 13 years ago | (#247688)

I wanted nice, sturdy, and comfortable chairs for my backyard. I had a few options: $15 for a chair and ottoman (adirondack plastic) at Wal Mart, $23 for the same thing at Bed Bath and Beyond, or $85 per set for untreated wood chairs at Pier One that would probably rot away in a year. I chose option 1. People obsess over having nice things, and form has become far more important than function. People pay, not only for brand names, but even where they bought the item. Go to Staples and look at a translucent office chair for $25, and find the exact same brand at Bed Bath & Beyond for $50. It's pretty fucked up when sports stars who advertise products are paid tens of millions of dollars, and scientists solving real problems get far less. Personally, I'm more worried about the ecosystem than what sports "hero" likes my brand of bleach.

Corporations are interested in making money, so they make us interested in spending it. Imagine your life without anything invented past 1980, and it would be pretty much the same, except you might go outside and realize that other people exist, and you are not the most important. Want and need are two different things. It seems people want to work for more things that they don't need. It's the American way.

Re:Unix Admin Hours.. (1)

Jethro73 (14686) | more than 13 years ago | (#247689)

That 4-day idea is great in theory. I wonder if I could sell my boss on it...

My opinion on the remote access is this: Great for the middle-of-the-night issues (which take five minutes to resolve). I live about 35 miles away from my job, and it is *not* a fun drive at 2:30am. Fix the machine whilst still wearing Underoos.

It is not so great (or some would say sucky) when the pointy-haired manager spews, "Oh, I need you to install Oracle on this box today. I know it is your day off, but blah blah blah blah." Grrr.

Jethro

Before/After (3)

Jethro73 (14686) | more than 13 years ago | (#247691)

Before, when I was working at a dot-com startup that I really cared about and got to wear ten different hats: 11-13 hours/day

Now, after the lack of funding and falling victim of the overspending of the business folks above me, I am back in "corporate America". I sneak out after six hours and read /. all day.

Please don't trace my IP and tell on me. 8^)

How I miss the wild, carefree dot-com days. I didn't mind spending time at work, because it was fun... sigh...

Jethro

Depends on who you ask (1)

ralphb (15998) | more than 13 years ago | (#247695)

Too many if you ask my wife; too few if you ask my boss.

average hours per week (1)

lupetto (16876) | more than 13 years ago | (#247696)

My hours per week will change greatly depending on what projects I'm working on. I would say my avg hours per week would be 55. I'm a unix administrator living in central PA.

Depending on the week, it can range from 35-80, not including the time I spend working at home.

Long hours - yes, but at a reduced pace (1)

pong (18266) | more than 13 years ago | (#247700)

I've worked on both sides of the pond (Cupertino, California, U.S and Copenhagen, Denmark), and while the hours in the U.S. are definitely longer, the pace is slower, so in my experience the end productivity is about the same.

A lot of factors.... (1)

bobdehnhardt (18286) | more than 13 years ago | (#247701)

There are a lot of factors that contribute to the hours I'm required to work each week.

I'm an IT manager for a business services company, with a HQ facility and a newer remote processing facility. In our HQ, which has been around for about 12 years, there are a lot of support issues - legacy equipment, workstations that have been pressed into service as servers, systems that have been upgraded or reinstalled a dozen times over. The staff there easily works 60+ hour weeks, just trying to keep up.

I'm in the new remote facility, built from the ground up 18 months ago. We've got server-class systems as our servers, all new equipment, standardized desktops, network shares for user data.... When I designed this facility, I tried to learn from the mistakes made in HQ, and ended up with a much more stable environment, so my workload is correspondingly lower. I still put in 50 hours or so per week, but a good portion of that is doing remote administration of HQ systems. If I only had to deal with my facility, I could be at 40 hours easily.

After making a commitment (1)

Lioner (19663) | more than 13 years ago | (#247704)

I'm a CTO of a startup doing Remote Network Management for small businesses. My partners and I made a pact from the beginning that our families came first. I rarely do more than 50 hours/week these days.

Re:I work 40 hours a week (5)

RavenWolf (23378) | more than 13 years ago | (#247712)

Please, keep in touch, and give us your view on the subject after 7 years of marriage.

Varying the question... (4)

dmorin (25609) | more than 13 years ago | (#247725)

How do you determine what constitutes "work"? As Dilbert once said, "Here's my time sheet. You'll notice that it includes that half hour I wasted filling out the silly thing, but doesn't count the 15 minutes I spent designing our new product while in the shower this morning."

So is work only about writing code? Or when you go home and lie in bed for 3 hours with visions of UML diagrams dancing in your head, does that count? Surely not as billable hours (wellll, for most of us :)), but is it something that you personally consider to be part of what constitutes your own workload?

Since I opened my own biz (1)

LennyDotCom (26658) | more than 13 years ago | (#247726)

I worked about 80 hours a week untill I sold it a month ago now I plan on takin the summer off and to really learn Linux and BSD

heres a picture off my former store that some slashdoters might like

http://www.lenny.com/store/store1.jpg

Re:How much time really? (3)

Van Halen (31671) | more than 13 years ago | (#247731)

I was about to say the same thing. For most people, especially in technical fields, there's a difference between hours of work and hours of productive work. My friends and I agree that we generally put in about 3 or 4 hours (or less) of productive work a day on average. Sometimes less, sometimes more. Of course, when you're near a deadline, that number can easily jump up to 12 or more...

The rest of the time is either spent doing real work at a more relaxed, lazy pace, or goofing off, surfing the web etc. Although I have to say that the majority of my web surfing from work is technology related, and occasionally something I found on the web a few months ago suddenly turns out to be relevant to my project at work. It's always nice to have those instances to justify goof off time. I save the non-technology web surfing (interpret however you like, probably not what you were thinking) for home.

I always wonder what people did to goof off before the internet. Anyone have any insights/stories? Did people goof off just as much, but in different ways? Or did we get more work done back then?

Getting back to the question posed in the article, I "work" 40 hours a week and not more unless overtime pay is preapproved - I value my life outside of work. Southern CA Software/System Engineer for an aerospace company. Posting this from work. ;-)

My experience as a consultant... (4)

GoNINzo (32266) | more than 13 years ago | (#247732)

Because I'm a consultant, I always have to try to bill at least 40 hours a week. But i've noticed that some companies prefer you to bill more or bill exactly 40.

Usually the larger the company, the more likely they are going to want a stock 40 hour week. in fact, some have moved to the 37.5 week. But these are usually non-IS houses.

In the middle of the spectrum, you have the larger Internet companies that require at least 40, sometimes 50, sometimes 60. These are the established places that can sometimes be kind of hectic.

Then on the far end, you have the startups. They *require* ten hour days, 7 days a week, with extra time for server outtages (which are frequent) so you end up billing a 85 hour week. which... kind of sucks. `8r/

All just IMHO.

--
Gonzo Granzeau

Hours worked in a week (5)

Calimus (43046) | more than 13 years ago | (#247740)

As a Systems/Network Analyst in Georgia US, I work an average of about 45-55 hours durring a normal week. If it's a week that I'm on call it can be anywhere from 45-55 all the way to 70+ pending on what kind of problems occure (server crash/router failure/switch blows a blade). The hours arn't the real killer, it's something that has been covered here many times and thats the lack of pay for the extra hours. As a salaried worker, I see nothing past 40 hours in my paycheck :-(

I guess that goes back to the question (1)

HMV (44906) | more than 13 years ago | (#247741)

asked earlier here this week about "does on call == at work?".

Many might be at the office 40, 50 or so hours now but how many hours a week are you actually involved in your job? I get good blocks of time to code at home so sometimes I take advantage of it. Sometimes at the office there is zero work being done.

In my neck o' the woods... (1)

paRcat (50146) | more than 13 years ago | (#247744)

I'm in the midwest, and I work for a medium-sized privately owned company.

8-5, M-F. Except for that night I was hear till two a.m... ugh.

Hours (2)

omarius (52253) | more than 13 years ago | (#247749)

I "only" work around 45 hours per week, but some weeks this I work closer to 50. My biggest gripe is, paradoxically, my relative importance inside my company. For example, I took last Friday off for my birthday, and I ended up working about six hours on stuff that nobody else knows how to work on.

I have not had a consecutive week off since 1995 (I was still a student, and was studying abroad). And, until my medium-sized company grows enough to hire and internal IT staff greater than two (me and the database guy, and neither of us know a damn thing about what the other does), I can count out more than a token day off here or there for the near future.

If I get the same kind of review this year as I did last year (that would be "none"), you can count on Omar sending resumes out pronto.

Every night and day,
-Omar

Bah, self report is useless here (2)

Illserve (56215) | more than 13 years ago | (#247751)

From my personal experience, as well as observations of others, people always tend to overestimate their "average" hours per week. They'll(I'll :)) have a solid week of 10 hours per day, then spend the next month telling people they work 10 hours per day while they are actually pulling 7 or 8 ever since. People are bad at estimating quantities like this because they overemphasize the outliers.

Also, they don't want to look lazy :)

Then of course while people are "at work" they often "don't work", adding a further amount of useless variance.

But for the sake of completeness, I'll respond. I work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, no holidays and I never get sick.

Time Management? (4)

birder (61402) | more than 13 years ago | (#247761)

I wonder how much of those 9-10 hours were spent actually working. These are not the factory workers who are monitored quite well.

How much time does a typical office worker spend on extra long coffee breaks, chatting with co-workers, surfing the web, talking on the phone to friends and family, going for an hour lunch when the union time is thirty minutes?

And then at the end of the work day, they have to stay late because they are falling behind schedule.

The worse part is that it normally affects other workers who get 'priority' work handed to them at 4pm when their boss should of had it to them much sooner.

significant change (3)

po_boy (69692) | more than 13 years ago | (#247769)

Now that I don't work for a .com startup, my hours are down from about 70-90 a week to about 35 a week. Programming for a living ain't half bad if you don't have to do it 70 hours a week.

At first, I thought about looking for a second job to fill the extra time, but now I hardly notice it anymore.

I've seen the same trend in a few of my friends as well in the last year or so.

How much time really? (2)

James_G (71902) | more than 13 years ago | (#247772)

There's a difference between time spent at work, and time spent at work working. I mean, seriously, I spend probably 8 or 9 hours in the office every day, but when you take out time spent reading personal email, visiting online cartoons, reading Slashdot, The Register and however many other sites, does it really work out to be that much?

People may claim to be spending far too much time in their offices, but is it because they're being overworked? Or because they have access to high speed net links and computers where they can procrastinate and still appear to be working?

Personally, I'm a geek. I like having access to this stuff (Whenever I walk into the server room I have to resist the urge to say "Hey! Nice rack!"), so the fact that I spend a great deal of time in the office is not a problem for me.

Doing work or at work (1)

modred2 (75524) | more than 13 years ago | (#247774)

Is the question how many hours you spend at work, or how many hours you work at work?

Not really that easy..... (1)

steweddude (78968) | more than 13 years ago | (#247778)

It really depends on a number of things, the company you work for, whether you're salaried or paid hourly, whether your single or married, with children or without, two income couple or one, or even if you're saving for a house.

To better qualify the question: for you folks whose companies are requiring more than 40 hours a week, how many hours to you work?

Heck, you might work 80 hours a week between 2 jobs but are you doing so because you want your kids to go to an Ivy League college? Is your standard of living higher that your 40 hour paycheck? Who's responsible for extra hours?

Time at office vs. Time working (2)

tcyun (80828) | more than 13 years ago | (#247779)

I recently moved to SF to work for an internet related company, and one of the things I noticed was the amount of time people spent in the office doing things unrelated to work. We have a pool table, a full kitchen, our HQ office has foosball, coffee/espresso... This means that people are encouraged to spend more time in the office, but they are not necessarily getting more done.

I come from the automotive undustry where there is a good deal of inertia to get out of the office as quickly as possible. Meaning, most people would rather spend 30 minutes working (to get home sooner) than playing pool and staying at the office longer. When people say that they are working longer hours, I wonder if they are getting more done in each day/week/month.

this might just be me... (5)

kootch (81702) | more than 13 years ago | (#247782)

but I'd be willing to believe that the majority of us follow this general model comparred to 2 yrs ago...

1)we're more likely to work 9-5 (okay, maybe 9-6 but NO weekends)
2)we expect more compensation and but have a greater realization we're not going to be millionaires (no options for me, thanx, I'll take the cash)
3)we enjoy our work environment much less than we did before the bubble burst
4)we continually update our resumes and have our eyes open about better opportunities
5)we take much more down time away from our work and from our computers now that we're burned out from the past few years and haven't seen the reward we deluded ourselves into believing we were going to receive.

Flex Hours (1)

avail (84055) | more than 13 years ago | (#247784)

I am salaried where I work as a "software engineer". Hours around here are pretty much flexible, getting your work done on time is the rule.

On a slow week, I might come in around 10:30 and leave at 5pm. On a heavy week I would 12-14 hour days, 7 days a week.

So my work week can range from 30 to 90 hours, depending on the workload. So I guess I average out to a 60 hour work week.

Flex Hours (2)

avail (84055) | more than 13 years ago | (#247785)

I am salaried where I work as a "software engineer". Hours around here are pretty much flexible, getting your work done on time is the rule. On a slow week, I might come in around 10:30 and leave at 5pm. On a heavy week I would 12-14 hour days, 7 days a week. So my work week can range from 30 to 90 hours, depending on the workload. So I guess I average out to a 60 hour work week.

Real Works vs At Work (2)

foondog (87662) | more than 13 years ago | (#247793)

Really there are 2 kinds of work. Real work which generates some sort of profit for your company. And at work which is just being in the building.

Most people (including myself) probably are only really usefull to the company a few of hours a week. The rest of the time you are reading email, surfing the web, and dealing with time wasting company burocreacy.

Then there is also recorded hours vs actual hours. Recorded hours is what you put on your timesheet or project tracking system. Actual hours is how many hours you are actualy at work. The difference in these 2 times can be quite different.

FoonDog

Re:work (2)

carlhirsch (87880) | more than 13 years ago | (#247794)

This is just a side thought - does it surprise anyone that the most prosperous nation on earth has the hardest workers? Just an idea.

How Calvinist of you.

The US is the most prosperous nation on earth because we've got an abundance of natural resources, a growing population, and we're not afraid to exploit either one.

The US is the most prosperous nation right now. We certainly weren't always so, and likely we won't always be. It's a matter of historical accident, not the fact that our workers are over-worked. Many studies have shown that productivity actually increases with shorter work-weeks. Diminishing returns.

-carl

Working longer hours, but, umm, get real (1)

denial (92135) | more than 13 years ago | (#247802)

I currently work about 60 hours a week as a programmer/analyst/architect in the telecommunications industry. On the one hand I could gripe about the hours, but I've seen both sides.

I left school at 15 and worked in many jobs, including some really shitty factory jobs that had me working 38 hours a week. I went back to uni, and gave four years of my life to switch careers to get to what I have now, and I know better than to gripe about longer hours. I have a privileged and well paid job, and I wouldn't take %99 of the jobs that involve working 40 hours or less a week.

When you start to complain about the hours you work, you should think about your job as a whole package. If you do, I bet you too will realise you lead a privileged existence in this industry, and are very well paid. If you don't, then for christ's sake don't whine about it, make the change to what you think will be better. It's far from impossible, at almost any age.

The Japanese example (2)

BierGuzzl (92635) | more than 13 years ago | (#247804)

The work ethic you'll find in the Japanese culture is very strong and historically been one that had it's white collar workers on duty every day of the week. Then there was the move to having one day off to spend with the family, and the amazing realization that this actually boosted productivity, to the point where corporations on mass are encouraging workers to take that second day off from the office.

I'm skeptical of the figures about the Americans because of the many variables, including the need to rely on self-assessment for salaried workers. What the American figures do indicate is that they just might be reaching the point of work saturation, where no matter how much you increase your efforts and time spent at work, you're only going to be counterproductive.

work work or just work? (1)

Cheetahfeathers (93473) | more than 13 years ago | (#247805)

I'm paid for 8 hrs/day. I'm at work 9-10 hrs/day (plus 2 hrs/day for commute). I work between 2 and 8 hrs/day, with 6 being about average.

Worker Laws... (3)

Zaphod B (94313) | more than 13 years ago | (#247807)

What an appropriate topic, coming after worker protests for May Day (Myezhdunarodnyj Dyen' Rabochikov, whatever...)

As a consultant, I work usually 50-55 hours a week. However, it is in my best interest to work more because my compensation is based on how many hours I bill. It also varies widely - some weeks I have 70-90 hours of work, some weeks I have 15 hours of work

This does not, of course, count the 45% of each minute spent pressing "Reload" on /.

Many countries (the US included) have workers rights laws, just the US law is a bit wussy. French law, for example, guarantees a 35-hour workweek and five weeks of vacation per year. It is not, of course, as widely flouted as the US law, hence why it works. Of course, the entire northern two-thirds of France closes down during August, but them's the breaks when you have enforced laws like that.

Zaphod B
When duplication is outlawed, only outlaws will have /bin/cp


Zaphod B

I hate orange (1)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 13 years ago | (#247808)

My work hours vary greatly. During normal times (no immediate pending deadline), ~40-50 hours a week. When deadline is pending, ~70 hours a week (7 - 10 hour days). I prefer to work weekends instead of longer days. What can I say? I have no life.

Does working at home count? (1)

catseye (96076) | more than 13 years ago | (#247809)

While high speed internet connections and the ability to link up to servers at work is sure convenient, the distinction between "workday" and "my day" seems to be blurring lately. I don't know if I spend all that much more than a standard eight hour day at the office, but I often find myself continuing to work on stuff at home late into the evening... maybe so I *can* only spend eight hours at the office.

Maybe it's because I get a hell of a lot more done at home? The work day has become meetings, face time, hand holding, crisis management, etc. while the evening is "getting shit done" time.

-A.

Well it depends - avg. about 35 (3)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 13 years ago | (#247810)

Well... we have no set work schedual.

Its a university, and the standard workday is
9-5 with a 1 hour lunch. We don't do that. We are sysadmins and the like - we are all over the map depending on what is going on.

We shoot for the 35 hour work week, since its standard for the institution (and it provides us with time to have real lives outside of work - which IMNSHO is a very important thing)

Sometimes we work more (sometimes some of us work alot more) when there is a real need. However, working much more than 35 hours/week as an average is just too much (40 isn't bad, ive done it at previous jobs).

No time for leisure outside of work AND a full nights sleep (not that I always take advantage of it)? Im sorry, you just can't possibly pay me enough for that.

I don't want my work to be my life. I LIKE leisure time. In fact, if you ask me, leisure time is a much more important factor of "quality of life" than high tech gadgets and lots of money (not that I don't have plenty of either - listening to mp3s on my pjbox as I type this, and waiting for 6 to roll around so I can hop on my motorcycle and ride)

There is a great slogan among motorcyclist commuters (btw a bike is a great commuter vehicle - can carry a hell of alot more things than the average commuter needs every day, is smaller, faster, and more manuverable than a car) "Ride to work, work to ride".

It doesn't just mean that you should ride the bike to work, its a reminder. There is a reason for working - so you can support yourself AND enjoy yourself. If you work so much that you can't ride (or do whatever else you may want), then whats the point?

Whoever dies with the most money, still dies.

-Steve

Re:this might just be me... (1)

FooGoo (98336) | more than 13 years ago | (#247816)

Morpheus,"Welcome to the real word"

Unemployed (3)

FooGoo (98336) | more than 13 years ago | (#247817)

I am unemployed...two years ago I was unemployed....Why? I am a slackass and I read /. all day...would you like fries with that?

I *BILL* for 50 (2)

OmegaDan (101255) | more than 13 years ago | (#247822)

but only work 30 :)

40 to 50 (1)

mmmmbeer (107215) | more than 13 years ago | (#247826)

I'd say I work about 40 to 50 minutes a week. Oh, wait, did you mean the amount of time I spend working, or just the amount of time I spend at work?

I work 40 hours a week (5)

SirWhoopass (108232) | more than 13 years ago | (#247829)

I work 40 hours a week. My contract says that I work 40 hours a week, I get paid for working 40 hours a week. I, therefore, work 40 hours a week.

I know people who work 60+ hours a week. I even can think of one or two who get a lot done.

For the most of them, however, they are just unorganized. They don't make efficient use of their time at work. They don't have any sort of plan to indicate what they hope to do and how it will be accomplished. They are in the office until 8 PM or later and wear it like some badge of honor.

They can have that "honor" all to themselves. I rather like going home at 5 to have dinner with my fiancee, play with my dog, and whatever else seems interesting at the time. I doubt I'll be on my deathbed wishing I spent more time at this desk.

Vacation, sick time (1)

TheMCP (121589) | more than 13 years ago | (#247841)

Last year I worked for a multinational company. One of the things I became really aware of when we were founding the company was that the staff in our German offices would get something like twice the vacation time our American staff would, because German law mandated it.

Our American employees all got a minimum of three weeks of vacation, plus eight floating holidays.

My new employer gives me three weeks of vacation with no floating holidays.

Also, my old employer had unlimited sick days, so if I really felt sick and didn't have anything VITAL to do at work, I'd stay home and rest and get well. My new employer gives, I believe, 6 sick days, so when I wake up and feel sick I'm inclined to go to work anyway in case I get seriously sick later in the year. This means people come to work and spread their colds, and when you get one you tend to stay sick longer because you're not getting enough rest.

My old employer figured out that with vacation, holidays, personal days, training, sick time, and administrative overhead (timesheets, staff meetings, etc), if the average employee works a 40 hour week, we could expect to get about 60% efficiency from them. So, we strived to get that full 60%, and that was fine. My new employer wants 80%, and they're going to achieve it by making us do all administrative tasks as overtime.

How do you think that would go over in Germany?

Weekly hours are not the only measure of how hard we work.

pooh? (1)

millerjl (126046) | more than 13 years ago | (#247846)

Critics pooh-pooh such studies, saying self-estimators are exaggerators, although most of those studies echo the same general trend as governmental figures -- a bit of a rise through the '90s with a slight dip recently. as a school teacher i always love it when parents think that all you do is teach your contract hours from 7:30 to 3:30 and that we do nothing else school related... a newstation in minneapolis had a reporter go into the classroom and teach for a day... after she finished she said she never wanted to do that again... she was lucky... she didn't have to do any grading. :) so am i a pooh-pooh-er?

Vacation/Holiday (2)

stilwebm (129567) | more than 13 years ago | (#247851)

It is also important to consider vacation time. The average paid vacation time (used, not given) in the US is around 10 days. Holiday time is important too, with about 10 paid holidays given to most people. I know in Europe the numbers for these are a good bit higher.

The Power To Slack (2)

kisrael (134664) | more than 13 years ago | (#247854)

Here's something that you don't here much about on Slashdot: either me and my co-workers (for my last 3 or 4 companies) are way to one side of the slack bellcurve, or there is a *lot* of slacking going on out there.

I've heard someone say here that managers should only expect 4-5 hours of really good high-mind-utilization time from their workers. I think that number goes up when it's crunch time, but can be significantly less than that if the manager lets the techies 'get away with it' and there's not a lot on the burner.

Web access at work is a big culprit. While there are times it's a crucial information gathering resource, there are even more times when it's a tool for procastination enhancement. Possibly in the big picture, the best coders *need* this kind of offtopic stimulus to stay sane and focused and un-burnt-out.

Anyway, it should be lunch *hour*. None of this 37.5 crap. And an expectation to work extra in crunch times should be balanced by leniency at other more relaxed times.
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Does the train and my house count? (1)

ellem (147712) | more than 13 years ago | (#247864)

If you count those hours then about 70 hours.

If not about 55.

I get paid pretty well and no one really understands my job so I can do pretty, much whatever I want, like the time I made the file server Linux just 'cos I thought it would be cool. (It wasn't that cool)
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Long hours... (2)

torokun (148213) | more than 13 years ago | (#247867)

I used to have to work about 8hrs a day during lulls, and 16/day + weekends for 2-3 months at a time during crunches...

Needless to say, it really sucked (web consulting company). So I started contracting, and now I get paid by the hour. Much nicer. ;) I really wonder why more people don't do it...

But the thing that really concerns me is how many companies take serious advantage of their programmers, by forcing them to work egregiously long hours, with no bonuses or any extra compensation. I've watched people burn out and experienced it myself -- it sucks.

I think that there should be an upper limit on the number of hours that a salaried employee can be required to work, simply for mental and physical health reasons. It doesn't make sense that programmers can be forced to work arbitrarily long hours with no compensation...

... Not to mention the fact that most managers think that somehow programmers can do anything at all, in any amount of time, as long as they're working hard... . How many of you have worked somewhere where the suits get props for coming in at 7am and not doing $#!+, while the coders who come in at 11 and leave at midnight get harassed for coming in late...

Cultural Prejudice (5)

Glowing Fish (155236) | more than 13 years ago | (#247874)

(Slightly offtopic)
It doesn't surprise me that Americans work more hours then any other industrialized nations. Or that, as an addendum to this, that the majority of Americans are probably sleep deprived.

It seems to be that many Americans, even those in the medical field, don't realize how serious sleep deprivation is. Do you think that we, as a society, would think that about half of our citizens going hungry most of the time would be acceptable? Probably not. Yet when that many Americans lose sleep regularly, no one sees it as a bad thing.

Take this for example: a college junior goes around bragging to her friends and family about how she hasn't eaten anything but water and carrots for the past two weeks. Would people think this was a sign of maschismo? Or would they think this was a person who was endagering themselves, and needed medical attention? Now, take the same college junior and say that she has been going around bragging about how she has been pulling all nighters and has averaged 4 hours of sleep for the past two weeks. For a lot of people, this would be a normal sign of collegeiate bravado.

The point of all of this is, is that many people, including doctors (who have to go through their own intiatory period of losing sleep, but that is another subject) don't seem to realize that a wealthy society where the majority of the people don't sleep enoug is just as ludicrous as an industrial society where people don't eat enough.

Hard to calculate (1)

M$ Mole (158889) | more than 13 years ago | (#247876)

When I was a professional developer, it was easy to track. Now I work for Macromedia in more of a salesy position (Evangelist) where I do a lot of product demonstrations, training, and consulting, which requires a lot of travel. Sometimes I'm working about 20 hours a week (that's the first two weeks of the year), and then there are times like the past two months, where I was home one day a week - maybe, and racked up over 30,000 miles on a single airline. I'd say during those times I'm working about 60 -70 hours a week.

as many as necessary... (1)

faqBastard (174444) | more than 13 years ago | (#247892)

to champion the great cause of shareholder value!!!

;-)

Forethought in Action (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 13 years ago | (#247901)

It would have been wonderful for this to have shown up in a slash poll, with extra commentary here.

but this would have been forethought in action.

Is this just a little much to hope for?

Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip

Re:So Shallow (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 13 years ago | (#247906)

Umm, read the thread ... lots of people saying they're working 30-50 hours now, not so many who have the nightmare hours anymore. Interesting!

Working hours... (5)

glebite (206150) | more than 13 years ago | (#247913)

I live in Canada - I typically work 50 hour weeks... I found a good 10 hour day beats out some of the fools who try to do 18 hour stints every other day. They look run-down, burned-out, and at generally, have made critical mistakes because of their fatigue. On a few occasions, a breakthrough has happened, but usually the code had to be reworked again to clean up really ugly hacks.

And to be honest, although I used to do some of those 18 hour stints, I listened to an older co-worker who asked, "So how productive are you now after working 18 hours?" I answered, "Not really I guess - stuck on a stupid problem." His response was simple and clear: "Go home!"

I did, got plenty of sleep, found a decent balance between work, sleep, homelife, hobbies, reading slashdot, and I found 10 hours to be great.

I take a .5 hr walk at now noon to really clear the cobwebs out of my head...

change of priorities (1)

graveyhead (210996) | more than 13 years ago | (#247919)

I used to work 70-80 hour weeks. About 3 years ago I started reading the works of a fellow freak named Richard M. Stallman. Now I refuse to work more than 40 hour weeks, to pay the rent and keep me in <insert drug of choice here>, and dedicate the remaining 30-40 hours to "sticking it to the man", GPL style. :-P

Well, your fingers weave quick minarets; Speak in secret alphabets;

work work work (1)

zen00 (215770) | more than 13 years ago | (#247926)

7a - 4p m-f
plus an hour or two a night
and who knows how many hours on the weekends

Slashdot Poll (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#247929)

My gender is masculine.. oop

Wrong poll!

Relevent side question (how many hours do you actually work at work?)

8 hour days, 5 of them. Mountain bike after work, enjoy a beer or two, watch sunsets.
4 years ago, 16-18 hour days, crap food, beer-no time-sorry, there's a sun?

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Re:35h/week (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#247930)

BTW I live 5 minutes from home, so it's pretty cool!

Beauty! I used to live 5 minutes from work, too. It rocked. I'd stay up to 1 AM, wake up at 7:50, dive into the shower, pull clothes on, grab a breakfast bar and run down to the office and be in the door at 8 AM.

Now, I drive ~1 Hr. each way, make lunch in the morning (gas took away my lunch budget), so I spend almost 3 hours in addition to 9 (8 work, 1 lunch) at the job, preparation/getting there/getting back. No extra pay for that. :p

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Lets see... (1)

sirgoran (221190) | more than 13 years ago | (#247933)

Two years ago I was working two full-time jobs.

At my old job year ago it was about 60-70 hours a week making about the same as the two jobs I had the year before.

Now, at a new place about 45 hours a week and for more money.

At this rate I figure in about ten more years I should be paid to stay home.

Goran

BTDT, won't do it again (2)

Alioth (221270) | more than 13 years ago | (#247934)

When I started on my current job as a fresh graduate, we had some deadlines and it got hectic. We had 3 months of >80 hour weeks. Later on, it got calmer - about 9 months of 60-70 hour weeks.

We did things to make it fun (like the 2am ice-cream break etc. and a trip to the pub in the city center on Saturday evenings, followed by coding under the influence...) but looking back on it, it was just too much.

I decided that I never, ever want to do that again. It was definitely detrimental to my health, and I felt as though I lost a bit of my 23-year-old life. So I made a promise to myself:

1. I would only work unpaid overtime in exceptional circumstances. (Fortunately we're a lot better at scheduling work now than we were then, and a lot better at managing the customer's expectations, and marketing don't try and do sizings any more thus commiting us to 80 hour weeks).
2. I would take ALL my vacation. I would of course give my employer lots of notice for when I take off a couple of weeks - but the deal is that I tell them when I'm taking vacation, I'm not asking for it.
3. If it becomes clear that I can no longer do (1) and (2), I'll go to a different company where I can. If that means leaving software development altogether, so be it. I'd rather be happy than wealthy any day.

It just isn't worth throwing your life away for your job. Don't give me that "I love my job though!" stuff. If you think you love your job, ask yourself this: would you pay for the privelige of doing your day job? If not, I suggest you don't really love your job ;-)

If an employer is trying to force you to do unpaid overtime, before committing, think of it this way: think of how much money you are effectively donating to the company - which is a for-profit business, not a charity! (Unless, of course, you work for a charity...)

Re:6p, Oh, yeah... (1)

Cephas Keken (224723) | more than 13 years ago | (#247938)

*smile*
dk reference good....

AACK (2)

Cephas Keken (224723) | more than 13 years ago | (#247939)

about 40 hours, but only because I refuse to follow the orders of the masterlords here and work from 8-11:30 the drive an hour home only to awaken three hours later and do it again, then come in on saturday and work from home on sunday and make my children write code and have the dog do testing and make my wife give oral pleasure to the engineers and aack....*takes shotgun to the mouth*

Work Hours (1)

MaxQuordlepleen (236397) | more than 13 years ago | (#247948)

I'm a software developer, and I find myself working about 55 hours per week on average. That works out to (usually) 5 ten hour days with a few hours on the weekend.

That compares favourably to a previous life as a project supervisor for construction projects, where that work week would have been considered a slacker lifestyle.

Of course, all bets are off at deadline time - 14 hour days are the norm when trying to resolve issues at the end of a project...

Re:35h/week (1)

sporktoast (246027) | more than 13 years ago | (#247963)


But I live 0 minutes from home [...]
Yeah, isn't that great!
I don't even have to leave my bedroom to get to where I live!


Hmm... (3)

V50 (248015) | more than 13 years ago | (#247965)

Well I work about 4 hours a week for about $20 Canadian a week delevering Snail-Spam.. The Lake Shore Shopper... Though I guess I wouldn't exectly count as I'm 13....

Thinking about that though I'm pretty sure the average Slashdot reader spends most of his time doing Boring-School-Work for No-Pay. Though I'm homeschooled so I get-to learn Perl but also for no pay :-(. But anyways if you counted school I'm guessing the Average Slashdot Reader would be something like: 30-40 Hours a week, depending on homework, for no-pay. If you ad in a job on the side possibly 35-50 Hours a week for $10-30...

Thinking of it that way, being a 13 year old geek must suck... You must work alot and get no-time for Learning Perl or anything... Glad I'm home schooled...


--Volrath50

I don't work at all! (2)

perdida (251676) | more than 13 years ago | (#247969)

I work all the time!

<scooby>Huh?</scooby>

Well, I got a brilliant idea today while I was having a beer with some friends. This idea was not concieved of at any workplace using any of the tools that my workplace provides, but it will definitely help me at work.

I love my job, 'cause I'm a writer (all I ever wanted to be), and I am thinking about writing at least a little bit all the time. In a sense, it's not work at all, but more an ongoing project of becoming more effective at my skill and art. Likewise, I am working all the time, and get tired of my work very rarely.

I think this is a good goal to have for work. Independence is a big part of it for me- it's essential that I am self reliant and able to work without a boss over my shoulder.

if i remember correctly.... (1)

SGDarkKnight (253157) | more than 13 years ago | (#247970)

i read an article somewhere that said the average person that worked at a full time job, if you add up the smoke breaks, snack breaks, gossip, chit chat, talking on the phone (unless thats your job), and just plain slacking off. You would get about 2-4 hours of "work related" stuff done. After all, how many of us /. people are at work right now reading this post and gettign paid for it. I'll see if i can dig up the article and post it.

60 hour work week will be LAW. (3)

jeff13 (255285) | more than 13 years ago | (#247971)


Here in fascist Harrisland (Used to be called Ontario), there is a 60 hour work week Bill to be legislated. Note that here in Harrisland, laws are simply passed without argument. Really (Americans get to vote on these municipal things... you're SO lucky).
Here's a little future for America to worry about. It's happening here thanks to NAFTA, etc. So beware!
By Judy Rebick (yea, Judy Rebick! What's wrong with her?)
Ontario Premier Mike Harris is giving Ontario employers a great big Christmas present by ramming through third reading of a bill that turns Ontario labour standards back two generations.

Bill 147 permits a 60-hour work week. Even worse, it allows for the averaging of overtime over four weeks. An employer does not have to pay overtime if the average work week over four weeks is 44 hours. In other words, someone could work 60 hours this week, 55 hours the week after and then 30 hours for the next two weeks and receive no overtime pay.

Since the Second World War the maximum work week in Ontario has been 48 hours, with overtime pay after 44 hours. There were lots of exemptions but at least there was a formal process and a tough requirement for overtime.

The rest is on the CBC site. http://cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/columns/rebick/rebick 001220.html
______
jeff13

Time for a home life too! (1)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 13 years ago | (#247976)

As an eXtreme programmer writing solid code using the art of computer programming until the code complete date, I'd say I work about 40 hours a week. More as Dec. 25 approaches.

Dancin Santa

trading hours for $$ (1)

nanojath (265940) | more than 13 years ago | (#247977)

I would guess a lot of people are in the same boat as me - I work for a non-profit and I think I bring a lot of value to the organization. At a previous non-profit job I let myself get ground down for "the cause," working 50-60 hour weeks for a relatively small paycheck. I laid down the law right up front at my current position - I was not going to burn out on the long hours, considering the pay cut I was taking for working in the non-profit world. Now I work 40-43 hours a week, every week, and haven't worked a weekend in 2 years. It's a reasonable exchange for me.

Consultant work... (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 13 years ago | (#247981)

guarantees my schedule is always changing. While I have to bill 40 hours per week, this week is almost totally charged to admin (overhead). Consequently, I am actually spending more time in the office because it is relaxing, I have a faster 'net connection, and I can work on a hobby.

Compare this to a short but intense project that may take 35 hours for the week, but is mentally tiring. Then it's 9-5.

And sometimes I work weekends, 2nd and/or 3rd shifts, and other weird stuff. But I'm still young with no kids, so this kind of thing is ok for me.

In summary= it's always different!

Hour worked ... (1)

Davewpw (316818) | more than 13 years ago | (#248000)

I spend at least 9-10 hours at work working monday thru thursday. I am also on call 24/7 so I do spend some extra time working at home. Seeing that I do Unix admin and shell coding for a Fortune 500 company things are slower then they were 2 years ago for me. Since the dotcom lay offs have happened and I had to go back to the corp. envirement I do work less and make more.

Fridays I do tend to slack off and only work 4-5 hours. It is just something about sleeping in and going home early on fridays that help.

Re:significant change (1)

osorronophris (318023) | more than 13 years ago | (#248003)

I just went through the exact same thing. I went from a .com to a software company and all of a sudden I'm getting off at 6pm instead of 4am.

Came as quite a culture shock.

I know it's a weird suggestion... (1)

Tricolor Paulista (323547) | more than 13 years ago | (#248008)

but wouldn't another pool settle the matter?

So Shallow (1)

Quizme2000 (323961) | more than 13 years ago | (#248010)

This post of "how many hours to you work" seems just to be a forum for the ego. What /. reader doesn't brag or complain about how much they work. At one time in life everyone has worked some mind-boggling amount of hours in a week/month. The kicker is; was it worth it? Did your project rise from the ashes because of your selfless dedication to the company or did your efforts go to waste when you realized that no one noticed?

Since overtime was terminated... (1)

sakana7 (398444) | more than 13 years ago | (#248012)

I'm down to 35-40 a week, unless the weather's really nice...Then it's just enough hours to pay the bills...Consulting Rocks!!!!

I don't work in technology (1)

sureft (409873) | more than 13 years ago | (#248014)

But I am a litiagtion paralegal at a firm that does extensive IP work, from biotech to hardware. A typical week will see me bill about 50 hours. If we are in trial, however, that number jumps to roughly 90. The most I have billed in a week is 103.5, the least is about 15. Do the rest of you have such varience, or is it a legal world thing?

other important questions (2)

redcup (441955) | more than 13 years ago | (#248022)

I think we all knew, going into the tech industry, that long hours are part of the trade. While hours and cost of living are crucial, what about asking

  • Do you feel well paid for the hours you work?
  • Do you find ways to make your time at the office more enjoyable?
  • Do you feel respected & appreciated for your time and work?
  • Do you feel challenged at your job?

I just graduated as the tech market tanked - and myself and many of my friends either lost our jobs with a few weeks or had offers we had accepted withdrawn before we even started. Though I feel underpaid, right now I am happy to be employed, able to pay the bills, and to do my job well.

I don't mind the hours - I work only 55-60 a week, but even more just before a release. *But* just about everyone works long hard hours, from the cleaning staff to the checkers at the coffee shop all the way up to our ceo. We are all paid very differently - not based on how hard we work - everyone is busting their butt - but our level of expertise. It is easy to forget there are billions of people getting by with much less but working at least as hard...

I haven't been at my job long enough to know if my accomplishments will be appreciated. I guess I will find out at my performance/comp review. The people I work with a nice, intelligent and good fooze ball players :-) My only complaint is lack of a challenge. I didn't go into the tech industry for the money (though it is nice), but because I love the intellectual stimilation, the theoretical problems and obscure issues perhaps only a computer science major can love. But I teach myself and program more interesting things on my own time, and of course, there is always /.!

RC

Re:significant change (2)

redcup (441955) | more than 13 years ago | (#248023)

I think we all knew, going into the tech industry, that long hours are part of the trade, though not always. While hours and cost of living are crucial, what about asking

  • Do you feel well paid for the hours you work?
  • Do you find ways to make your time at the office more enjoyable?
  • Do you feel respected & appreciated for your time and work?
  • Do you feel challenged at your job?

I just graduated as the tech market tanked - and myself and many of my friends either lost our jobs with a few weeks or had offers we had accepted withdrawn before we even started. Though I feel underpaid, right now I am happy to be employed, able to pay the bills, and to do my job well.

I don't mind the hours - I work only 55-60 a week, but even more just before a release. *But* just about everyone works long hard hours, from the cleaning staff to the checkers at the coffee shop all the way up to our ceo. We are all paid very differently - not based on how hard we work - everyone is busting their butt - but our level of expertise. It is easy to forget there are billions of people getting by with much less but working at least as hard...

I haven't been at my job long enough to know if my accomplishments will be appreciated. I guess I will find out at my performance/comp review. The people I work with a nice, intelligent and good fooze ball players :-) My only complaint is lack of a challenge. I didn't go into the tech industry for the money (though it is nice), but because I love the intellectual stimilation, the theoretical problems and obscure issues perhaps only a computer science major can love. But I teach myself and program more interesting things on my own time, and of course, there is always /.!

RC

Unix Admin Hours.. (1)

erobertstad (442529) | more than 13 years ago | (#248025)

I work atleast 50 hours a week, into a 4 day work week. Started taking off Friday's when the work was just getting to be to much, and needed a 3 day weekend each week. Now I try to do around 12 hours a day for 4 days, but it's allways over that... and I never seam to get a full 3 day weekend either. Damn 'remote access', can we kill the admin that thought of that?

Used to do too many hours, but not anymore (1)

shawnmchorse (442605) | more than 13 years ago | (#248026)

I got tired of the whole 60-80 hours a week thing a couple of years ago, and have been a relative "slacker" ever since (for the same pay). I currently average 40 hours a week, and though I still do 9-10 hour days sometimes they get balanced out by 6-7 hour days. Throwing yourself head first into work is just not worth it, considering the physical and social consequences.

hours of fun (1)

IAmTheGodYouHate (444084) | more than 13 years ago | (#248032)

I work about 40 hours a week.

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Re:too many hours (1)

Jack Wagner (444727) | more than 13 years ago | (#248034)

At the risk of repeating an old cliche.. we need to work smarter, not harder. For instance I work about 45 hours a week and I make a very nice six figure salary. It's "the myth of incompetence" that the tech industry loves to propagate with regards to working 80 hour weeks. Maybe your working an 80 hour week becasue you are using the wrong tools or trying to implement the wrong solutions, etc...

I see it all the time though, some people will only use Windows because they are a "windows only shop" when it's obvious that Solaris or HP/UX would do the job with half the effort. I also see people jumping on the bandwagon and using languages like java or python when they should be using a RAD language. But hey, I make money because most people attack problems from the wrong direction so I guess I shouldn't bitch.

work (1)

Spagornasm (444846) | more than 13 years ago | (#248035)

I work 35 hours a week, but I also take 12 credits at college. Add it up. (I'm also in the Northern VA area, so the cost of living here is rediculously high).

This is just a side thought - does it surprise anyone that the most prosperous nation on earth has the hardest workers? Just an idea.

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