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Death Valley Dethrones Impostor As Hottest Place On Earth

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the c'mon-the-place-is-called-death-valley dept.

Earth 175

Hugh Pickens writes "Adam Nagourney reports that after a yearlong investigation a team of climate scientists announced that it is throwing out a reading of 136.4 degrees claimed by the city of Al Aziziyah, Libya on Sept. 13, 1922 making the 134-degree reading registered on July 10, 1913, at Greenland Ranch in Death Valley the official world record as the hottest place on earth. 'It's about time for science, but I think we all knew it was coming,' says Randy Banis. 'You don't underestimate Death Valley. Most of us enthusiasts are proud that the extremes that we have known about at Death Valley are indeed the most harsh on earth.' The final report by 13 climatologists appointed by the World Meteorological Organization, the climate agency of the United Nations, found five reasons to disqualify the Libya claim, including questionable instruments, an inexperienced observer who made the reading, and the fact that the reading was anomalous for that region and in the context of other temperatures reported in Libya that day. 'The more we looked at it, the more obvious it appeared to be an error,' says Christopher C. Burt, a meteorologist with Weather Underground who started the debate in a blog post in 2010."

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What if... (2, Insightful)

filmorris (2466940) | about 2 years ago | (#42420415)

the temperature in Libya was in Celsius?

Re:What if... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420475)

Then they'd be dead and no one would have heard about it!

Re:What if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420481)

If it was in Celsius, it would be lower and wouldn't win.

Re:What if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420621)

No, Celcius would be hotter.

Re:What if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420503)

136 C = 277 F. Even more ridiculous and unbelievable.

Re:What if... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420665)

Why not switching to celcius? Except for the US and Jamaica, the whole world has...
http://i.imgur.com/ucOQh.jpg [imgur.com]

Re:What if... (4, Informative)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about 2 years ago | (#42420749)

Why not switching to celcius? Except for the US and Jamaica, the whole world has... http://i.imgur.com/ucOQh.jpg [imgur.com]

Liberia, Myanmar, and the U.S. actually [wikipedia.org] . Jamaica uses Celcius for temperature (definitely when I was there in the 1980s and 1990s).

Re:What if... (1)

ahabswhale (1189519) | about 2 years ago | (#42421459)

It's kinda pointless to switch just temperature measurement to celsius unless you're going to switch to the metric system entirely.

Re:What if... (1, Insightful)

chrismcb (983081) | about 2 years ago | (#42422345)

Because we are human beings. If we were water, then Celsius would be perfect. Fahrenheit is a scale based what is hot an cold to humans, not the freezing and boiling point of water

Re:What if... (2, Insightful)

XaN-ASMoDi (894073) | about 2 years ago | (#42420861)

How about Celsius or even kelvin? Most of the world preferably use these units, even here in the UK, home of the imperial system. Seriously, join the 20th century!

Re:What if... (2)

i_ate_god (899684) | about 2 years ago | (#42420949)

there, in the UK, where distance is still measured in that archaic unit, the "mile".

Get with it UK, it's called KILOMETERS.

-- your snooty offspring, Canada

Re:What if... (4, Funny)

boundary (1226600) | about 2 years ago | (#42421579)

Actually, they're called 'kilometres' unless you want to be associated with your southern neighbours. Depends how much of a snooty Canadian you are, I suppose.

Re:What if... (1)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | about 2 years ago | (#42421041)

How about Celsius or even kelvin? Most of the world preferably use these units, even here in the UK, home of the imperial system. Seriously, join the 20th century!

The only thing worse than sticking with Imperial is winding up with whatever weird mish-mash you have with over there.

Re:What if... (3, Insightful)

NCG_Mike (905098) | about 2 years ago | (#42421377)

Yeah, it's a bit odd here. Temperature in Celsius and distance in miles. People's height in feet & inches and weight in stones & pounds. It's even odder in a supermarket where we use both imperial and metric. You can buy cheese at the deli in either unit. Thank goodness we ditched the old coinage for a metric system. Mind you, it'd be more hip to say we used LSD as a currency :-)

Re:What if... (3, Informative)

boundary (1226600) | about 2 years ago | (#42421591)

Most of this dual measurement in shops (including the change from gallons to litres at the petrol pumps) came about as part of 'closer European ties' back in the 90s, IIRC. There were certain things the government wouldn't budge on, such as changing road signs to miles, and getting rid of the good old British pint glass.

Re:What if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421571)

Celsius doesn't even convert evenly to Fahrenheit, something like 9/5 C blah blah blah fractional formula. At least Kelvin is Celsius + 273 but what really is needed is a uniform temperature scale worldwide. Let 0 be absolute zero, let there be no math conversion.

Same goes for time. UTC +/- blah whatever how about just reporting the local time for the event.

I should be able to read these things by inspection, you know, without having to do any math.

Re:What if... (1)

chronokitsune3233 (2170390) | about 2 years ago | (#42422239)

K = C + 273.15
Ra (Rankine) = F + 459.67
0 K = 0 Ra

So if 0 is absolute zero, which scale should we use? Both the Kelvin and Rankine scales define 0 to be absolute zero. Should we go with the Celsius-based scale (Kelvin) in the countries using the Celsius scale currently, or should they adopt the Fahrenheit-based scale (Rankine) as the U.S. probably would, if they adopted any scale other than the Fahrenheit scale they currently use?

As for the time, I'd rather time zones just be gone, and I feel the same about Daylight Saving Time, Summer Time and whatever other name you call it. No more B.S. about fussing with clocks that don't automatically change! Then 23h00 in France would be 11:00 P.M. in the U.S., even though technically the "P.M." part (Post Meridiem, or "after midday") would be misleading at times since midday would occur at 1200Z (what those in Hollywood call "4 A.M." when Daylight Saving Time is not in effect). Ideally this B.S. about midday happening while many people on the west coast of the U.S. are still asleep would lead to the adoption of a 24-hour clock system outside of the U.S. military.

Re:What if... (1)

Geeky (90998) | about 2 years ago | (#42422307)

I'm in the UK and I tend to think in terms of celsius for low temperatures and fahrenheit for high temperatures - i.e, if it's close to or below 0 it's cold (thinking in celsius), and if it's in the 80s or 90s it's hot. I think it's the appeal of zero for freezing, coupled with the still common use of fahrenheit in the media to report hot weather.

What if Death Valley was in Kelvin? (1, Flamebait)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about 2 years ago | (#42421183)

Maybe people on SlashDot will finally learn that scientific notation and the metric system make it easier to not make stupid mistakes while communicating measurements. Really, "136.4 degrees" ? Come on, put some scale with that, n00b.

Re:What if Death Valley was in Kelvin? (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 2 years ago | (#42421725)

Maybe people on SlashDot will finally learn that scientific notation and the metric system make it easier to not make stupid mistakes while communicating measurements. Really, "136.4 degrees" ? Come on, put some scale with that, n00b.

Even if they had specified degrees fahrenheit, it would still be wrong, since the original measurement didn't have that level of precision. It's the same mistake that has everyone thinking that normal body temperature is exactly 98.6 degrees F.

Re:What if... (2)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about 2 years ago | (#42421273)

Yes, because 136.4C (277.52F) is sooooo much more plausible.

Re:What if... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421727)

I usually don't comment on the moderation but, seriously? +4 Insightful for asking if the temperature scale was different when they clearly don't realize how inplausible and idiotic that idea would be? Come on...

Re:What if... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#42421781)

Indeed. 136 C is way above the boiling point of water.

Re:What if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42422497)

the Internet coughed up at least 4 idiots to mod this insightful. breathtaking really.

Sounds like most temperature data (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420505)

Most temperature data collected over the years should be disqualified for those and other various reasons including the data fabrication that is done by GISS, NOAA and others.

For a number of articles on the topic that show the data fabrication see: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/data-tampering-at-ushcngiss.

Re:Sounds like most temperature data (2)

XaN-ASMoDi (894073) | about 2 years ago | (#42420907)

Most temperature data collected over the years should be disqualified for those and other various reasons including the data fabrication that is done by GISS, NOAA and others.

For a number of articles on the topic that show the data fabrication see: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/data-tampering-at-ushcngiss [wordpress.com] .

Showing graphs without the data to support them, and claim operations have been applied without specifying the operations is quite frankly horse shit. Back up your assertions or go away.

Re:Sounds like most temperature data (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421213)

Many of the articles show the data. What is horseshit is you not looking about to find the data associated with the graphs XaN-ASMoDi (894073).

Re:Sounds like most temperature data (1)

haruchai (17472) | about 2 years ago | (#42421445)

Time to go back under the bridge troll.
That cherrypicked crap has been denounced and debunked time and again.

Even Monckton doesn't resort to using it

Re:Sounds like most temperature data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42422461)

So a person who points out that the claims of NOAA and GISS and GHCN are bogus science due to their use of "maniuplations" resulting in Fabricated Data is a troll even though the site he links to uses NOAA's, GISS's, and GHCN's actual data? Good one Harchai (17472); in science typically the, ahem, troll is the one refusing to accept the factual data when presented. Dig around the site, all the graphs have the data listed on one article or another, just go through the past articles to find the data links. Steve doesn't cheat. He doesn't have to since NOAA, GISS, and GHCN are doing that already. All Steve has to do is point out their cheating using their own data!!!

Your attitude haruchai just shows that you're not interested in actual science but only your beliefs. If you believe in science you're doing it wrong for belief is the domain of religion not science.

Re:Sounds like most temperature data (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 years ago | (#42421713)

Many of the articles show the data.

BS. Missed that? Bullshit. In Canada most climate data is based on extrapolations on 30-35 year windows because there is no other data, because it doesn't exist. Any other data that existed was based on sites that weren't even close, or were from 400+KM away. Most of our weather network didn't even exist until 1977, and only cities, military bases and outposts did weather recording. Or landlocked ships.

Would it really kill the editors to put degrees F? (4, Insightful)

Alicat1194 (970019) | about 2 years ago | (#42420513)

Would it, really?

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420619)

Or even degrees C, which is what scientists use...

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (4, Informative)

jo_ham (604554) | about 2 years ago | (#42420663)

Or even degrees C, which is what scientists use...

Actually, the SI unit of temperature is the Kelvin.

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (5, Insightful)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about 2 years ago | (#42420729)

Well it's easier to convert from K to C than from K to F (or C to F). Anyway, any temperature should be postfixed with the unit, especially here on /..

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421085)

Why especially here on Slashdot, a US site?
Americans, even the scientists, always use Fahrenheit for the weather.
And no one could possibly be confused enough to think it hit 136 Celsius in Death Valley.

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421315)

Why especially here on Slashdot, a US site?.

Because even Americans might need to know what temperature scale is used on a site that takes in articles from all over the world?

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421651)

Another failure...America is a continent, not a country.

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (0)

JakeBurn (2731457) | about 2 years ago | (#42421997)

Yet another failure. There is no continent on Earth called America. There's North America and South America. A region called Central America. The only people on Earth that refer to anything as America on a consistent basis is the USA which refers to itself as America. Its called the internet. Lots of information on there to keep from looking like an idiot. You may want to look into it.

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42422245)

Although the post you responded to was 'incorrect' (more likely being facetious), you managed to be completely wrong. You might want to follow your own advise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#Etymology_and_naming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas#America_or_Americas

Oh for pity's sake... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421959)

Jesus H. M. F. Christ people!

If it were 136.4 Kelvins it would NOT be anything like the hottest temperature recorded on Earth, in the great outdoors, we, humans, would consider it bitterly fucking cold. So unless you're not a human, or you're a moron, you're just splitting hairs. Ditto on the question of whether it's Celsius/Centigrade or Fahrenheit. If the outdoor temperature hits 136.4 or even 134 degrees C, referring to the ambient atmospheric temperature, without counting anywhere or any occasion when the temperature was higher as the result of something WE did, (like when we made the weather very hot in Dresden, Germany, or Hiroshima or Nagasaki in Japan, as a few examples that come readily to mind...) it would be hotter than anyone could handle just walking around. But it has been and currently is much hotter than that in many places on Earth, as I type this... such as inside geysers, and active volcanoes, for instance, to say nothing of the Earth's core.

When someone speaks of or writes about the "hottest place on Earth"... IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE TEMPERATURE AS NATURALLY OCCURS DUE TO ROUTINE NATURAL EFFECTS OF SUN AND WIND AND RAIN, ETC. IT SHOULD BE LIKEWISE UNDERSTOOD, EXCEPT PERHAPS BY A BUNCH OF SMARTASSES, that when that temperature is 134 degrees, THAT IT'S IN FUCKING FAHRENHEIT!

Quit being a bunch of assholes, you know it's Fahrenheit, I know it's Fahrenheit, and was it lazy not to add the letter F? Yes. Was it worth all of you having an argument about? Jesus Tap Dancing, Tittiefucking Christ, NO.

You guys will argue about literally anything, won't you!?!

Re: Oh for pity's sake... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42422425)

The problem is that there are many times when a reader needs to question the temperature value because the answer IS ambiguous.
In this instance it wasn't - but the point is that we are a global society. It takes little effort. I support the clear majority of this planet for reminding the US to add the C or F, as I did less than 12h ago at snother site.
No titty shaking required (esp if they're man boobs)

Which is celsius with an offset (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420985)

But I would rather have kelvin than farenheit really, or for pity's sake, at the very elast a UNIT. Which is the most basic for science reporting or those pretending to do such things.

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (1)

blakeqd (1481391) | about 2 years ago | (#42420645)

Was thinking the same thing. It's like they intentionally left it out.

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (1)

RobbieCrash (834439) | about 2 years ago | (#42421043)

This is 'Murca goddamnit.

Re:Would it really kill the editors to put degrees (1)

afgam28 (48611) | about 2 years ago | (#42422231)

What for? It's already completely obvious that the units are degrees Fahrenheit, even to people from outside of the United States, such as myself. 136.4 degrees Celsius is 36.4 degrees above the boiling point of water; it's unlikely that good record keeping would have been done in such a climate :P

Waste of science (0, Troll)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 years ago | (#42420515)

This is the best world-renowned scientists can come up with? Do some real fucking work and stop using mans obsession with the 'best' to fund your pet moron project.

Re:Waste of science (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#42421243)

Yeah we all know governments prefer to fund bad-news-tastic climate science over nationalistic dick-waving.

Conversion to Celsius (5, Informative)

Twinbee (767046) | about 2 years ago | (#42420523)

136.4 degrees is 58 degrees Celsius

(courtesy of the program in my sig's link).

Re:Conversion to Celsius (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420671)

faggit.

Re:Conversion to Celsius (2)

seyfarth (323827) | about 2 years ago | (#42420721)

Indeed 58 degrees is what is published in the report. It seems likely that the Libyan report was in integer Celsius degrees.

just like human body at 37C (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421035)

That 0.6 after the 98 is spurious accuracy...

Re:Conversion to Celsius (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about 2 years ago | (#42420733)

At least. Thanks.

Re:Conversion to Celsius (-1, Troll)

Rockoon (1252108) | about 2 years ago | (#42421209)

Too bad constants like pi cannot be used in formula... might actually care about your crappy program otherwise...

Re:Conversion to Celsius (2)

Twinbee (767046) | about 2 years ago | (#42421491)

I recently had a promotion where I offered cash for bugs just like the one you've pointed out. Do you have Paypal, and I'll send some to you ($15 for that one). If you find more, I'll happily pay more.

I have over a thousand 'litmus' test sums, but I can't test every single possibility for obvious reasons.

Hot is hot (1)

BluPhenix316 (2656403) | about 2 years ago | (#42420563)

I was in Ali Al Salem, Kuwait in June of 2010 and the thermostats showed it was 138. Maybe it was because it was a Air Base and had a lot of planes? Anyway, the lack of humidity there meant the heat wasn't that bad. I've felt absolutely horrible in the Southern USA when the temperature was only in the 90s. There it was in the 130s and it was hot but not unbearably so. I guess the lack of humidity meant that your sweat actually worked better?

Re:Hot is hot (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 2 years ago | (#42420667)

This is temperature in the shade.

Re:Hot is hot (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 2 years ago | (#42420745)

You're right, of course - but what if the only shade you can find is your own shadow? How does that affect something like trying to record the temperature? I guess we could just say "hotter than hell" and leave it at that.

Re:Hot is hot (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 2 years ago | (#42420805)

then you build something to get some shade.

Re:Hot is hot (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 2 years ago | (#42420883)

A sand castle! Good idea!

W00t! (4, Funny)

19061969 (939279) | about 2 years ago | (#42420567)

W00t! USA! USA!

Hugh Pickens... (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#42421229)

Hugh Pickens... The new Roland Piquepaille [wikipedia.org] ?

Pimping his "blog" for page views...

Frosty Piss Pimps Submissions for Page Views (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421871)

Pickens adds a link to his blog as part of the story submission process just like Frosty Piss has done in the past when he makes a submission [slashdot.org] and links to his web site at NoJailForPot.com [archive.org]

What readers objected to with Roland Piquepaille's stories was that Roland initially used other people's content on his blog to earn ad revenue [slashdot.org] , but he later stopped linking to stories he had republished on his blog and linked his submissions directly to the source articles.

if anything, Roland has contributed greatly to the /. community by submitting a ton of excellent stories--even after he stopped earning ad revenue from submissions--and starting many interesting discussions. so he clearly cared more about /. as a thriving community with a rich online culture than just another business to be monetized. and if you're more worried about Slashdot's value as a business than its usefulness to its users (which is primarily from the discussions that follow each submission), then you clearly don't understand /. as well as Roland did.

your blatant hyperboles and baseless accusations are more dishonest than Roland has ever been. and i doubt you will ever make as great of a contribution to the /. community as he has.

Re:Frosty Piss Pimps Submissions for Page Views (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42422479)

Yes, Mr. Anonymous Coward, you must be correct. After all you ARE an Anonymous Coward...

Re:W00t! (1)

dargaud (518470) | about 2 years ago | (#42421325)

I've heard it said in the context of the 'first' computer, but it applies to almost any record: the definition of a world record is whatever makes sure it happened in the US...

Re:W00t! (1)

ahabswhale (1189519) | about 2 years ago | (#42421495)

You might have an argument if was decided by a US organization rather than the World Meteorological Organization. Note the word "World".

Re:W00t! (1)

waimate (147056) | about 2 years ago | (#42422323)

You might have an argument if was decided by a US organization rather than the World Meteorological Organization. Note the word "World".

What, like in World Series?

Re:W00t! (1)

ahabswhale (1189519) | about 2 years ago | (#42422523)

I don't see what that has to do with weather.

Re:W00t! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42422095)

The world can be divided into two regions. There's The United States of America and there's Greater Cuntland. If you're not a real U.S. American then you are a stupid fucking cunt.

Extreme! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420583)

Here in Minnesota we record annual temperature shifts that can reach up to 150F between the hottest hot and the coldest cold :)

CAPTCHA: arrogant

Re:Extreme! (3, Funny)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 2 years ago | (#42420677)

And strangely you're proud of that. Weird.

Re:Extreme! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420849)

And strangely you're proud of that. Weird.

I'm not quite sure how you inferred pride out of my statement; I was merely providing a context for a different sort of extreme climate. I enjoy Minnesota weather even if it is some of the harshest that humans voluntarily choose to live through.

Re:Extreme! (2)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | about 2 years ago | (#42420935)

I will see your Minnesota and raise you a Manitoba.

Difference of 162F [wikipedia.org]

Re:Extreme! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421205)

I will see your Minnesota and raise you a Manitoba.

Difference of 162F [wikipedia.org]

Well, I will call your Manitoba and go all in with Minnesota again:

Difference of 174F [wikipedia.org]

Have the Libyans ever published (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420585)

a regular expression for the name of the leader that was recently deposed?

/M(o|u)ammar (M(u|o)hamm(a|e)d Abu Minya )?(((A|E)(L|l)|(a|e)l)(-| ))([GQ]|Kh?)a(dd?|t)h?aff?[yi]/

Re:Have the Libyans ever published (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420739)

Re:Have the Libyans ever published (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420815)

I guess that nails it. But the link I found [csmonitor.com] also refers to the option of capitalizing the entire prefix: "AL Qathafi", which was (one of!) the spellings used by his ex-web site. Also, the wikipedia article on the Gadafi also lists middle names.

Re:Have the Libyans ever published (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#42421251)

Oh, just call him KhaDaffy-Duck and be done with it!

Re:Have the Libyans ever published (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#42421275)

We should just settle this once and for all and call him "Crazy Stubble Mustache"

Slashdot Quote: (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#42420631)

In response to the article about Death Valley, Slashdot generated this quote:

It'll be just like Beggars' Canyon back home. -- Luke Skywalker

Indeed, except all the womp rats are dead, and not even a moisture farmer can make a living there. You nerf herders have it easy...

"...the most harsh on earth." (1)

John Hasler (414242) | about 2 years ago | (#42420633)

Nonsense. Compare to Dome A in Antarctica.

America 1st again (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 2 years ago | (#42420657)

Good, America is first again.
AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

It's funny how they do not take into account the nationalist usian bias in the analysis.

Re:America 1st again (1)

boundary (1226600) | about 2 years ago | (#42420689)

Yup, harshest place in the world.

Re:America 1st again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420767)

That's on Fox, if you're an intelligent and thoughtful person.

Re:America 1st again (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | about 2 years ago | (#42421181)

Yup, harshest place in the world.

Perhaps, but isn't there something good to be said of making it in a tough place?

Re:America 1st again (1)

boundary (1226600) | about 2 years ago | (#42421535)

Tough, yes. Needlessly tough, no.

Re:America 1st again (0)

Brett Buck (811747) | about 2 years ago | (#42421283)

You are the same guys who blindly accept every single global warming scam based on the infallibility of science, right?

Re:America 1st again (1)

John Hasler (414242) | about 2 years ago | (#42422191)

Perhaps you might want to consider looking at the paper (not the article).

I highly recommend Death Valley (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420699)

Everyone should visit the place at least once so you can say you are glad you don't live there. To this day the only time I've ever been in 124 degrees F weather. The car couldn't take it, and reached vapor lock [wikipedia.org] right as we pulled into a rest stop. I might have been reading Red Mars at the time, but if anything I could have been on Venus. We drove the rest of the way to Vegas with the windows down and the heater on.

Re:I highly recommend Death Valley (1)

dargaud (518470) | about 2 years ago | (#42421329)

Same here and it didn't even feel particularly hot.

It was a wake up call for me (1, Offtopic)

bogaboga (793279) | about 2 years ago | (#42420889)

Well, I visited some African country that lies straight on the Equautor. As an individual from the west, I arrived with my prejudices that this country would be nautrally hotter than my home land.

I was wrong! The temperature, right at the equator was no more than 28 degrees celcius (82.4 degrees F). I was suprised. The locals told me it had to do with their altitude, which is much higher.

When I called my family, they had sympathy for the "hot weather". My repeated advice to them that my homeland (Texas) was hotter was difficult to believe.

Sad thing is that I am not alone. Almost everyone I have told this story still thinks, "If it's at the equator, it must be hot hot hot."

I later found out they even have a river, whose waters come from ice...right at the equator! Amazing!

Dubious pride (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42420925)

Promotional leaflets that still boast of Death Valley as being merely the hottest place in the United States are being rewritten, and resort owners say they are girding for a crush of heat-seeking visitors come next summer. There is even talk of having an official 100-year celebration of the record-setting measurement next July.

“It’s about time for science, but I think we all knew it was coming,” said Randy Banis, the editor of DeathValley.com, an online newsletter promoting the valley. “You don’t underestimate Death Valley. Most of us enthusiasts are proud that the extremes that we have known about at Death Valley are indeed the most harsh on earth.”

This seems to me to be a really dumb thing to be proud of.

Agreed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421745)

That temperature it not even considered hot as anyone who regularly takes proper sauna baths. Sauna steam room (löylyhuone in finnish) is commonly at least 80C and usually you, regardless being minor or adult male of female stay there 1015 minutes at one time and throw some water over the stove stones which is then vaporizes and makes it feel quite a bit more hotter than it would without it.

I used to work few years in Saudi and lived in Riyadh. The common daily temperature mid July to mid September was 47C - 52C. Officially never it was above 50C because according to local law they would have given day off to anyone working outside so it never was officially above 50C even though we all observed thermometers showing peak temperatures of 52 quite often. Now Riyadh is located at middle part of arabian peninsula, 440km to east Dammam, Al-Khobar and 1200 km west to Jeddah. Riyadh is over 1000m above sea level (top of large escarpment) and air is very dry usually around 40% relative humidity.

The 50C did not feel that bad, but as I spent some time also in Dammam there the relative humidity was during the summer above 99% and water was condensing and dripping, like it was raining even you saw it was full and clear sunshine, from anything which was a bit cooler like AC cooled houses windows. Yourself also felt it especially when you stepped out from AC equiped car it was one woosh and you were like a pint of beer hot summer day, but basically because human skin temperature is around 30C steam would condense even if you were just doing nothing. One of the coolest (pun intended) things local kids had figured out was that they sold water bottles and tiny towels almost every traffic lights. Price was not too much just few riyals and both supplies were badly needed.

The highest temperature I saw a digital thermometer showing outside offices was just below 54C one noon before 3 p.m. and I felt so lucky that I don't need to work outside but instead properly cooled telecoms site.

OK, long story short. Few degrees was it 58C to 54C don't make that much difference, but the prevailing humidity conditions make a huge difference. So if both temperature measured in Death Valley or Libya were as dry as it was in Riyadh that isn't much. Just if you don't believe me warm up sauna properly to let's say 80C and go sit there with or without clothes for 10 to 15 minutes. It's not hard. Then start throwing half a liter (about pint) water at time and continue until you have poured half of bucket (5-6 liters) and I'm sure you know what I try to explain how much the humidity makes difference.

ps. Some people in finland like bathing above 100-110C sauna, but I consider it too much. I prefer it around 90C, always using plenty of water first to moisture benches with water, throwing plenty of water (löylyä) to stove, sit there sweating quietly 10-15 minutes, then take a cools shower, wash myself after first take and then repeating the steam room thing at heast 3 times. Sometimes depending where the sauna is, we may run to lake for a short dip or rolld in clean white snow if available. That's going from +90C steamy room to either +20C shower or take a dip in lake which water can be pretty much freezing 0C ie. hole made in ice and kept ice free just for this purpose.

I was quite often asked in Saudi by someone I met first time that how come guy like you up from north don't complain much about the hot weather in Saudi. I just said that this is not hot it's just fine for me. Over the years I got so used to warmth of Saudi weather (Riyadh area) and that's actually one of the things I've often missed after my return from there.

All I can say is... (1)

martyb (196687) | about 2 years ago | (#42421281)

All I can say is... Cool!!

<grin>

I underestimated Death Valley once (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421509)

At Stovepipe Wells, at 11 AM, with 2 liters of water. The dunes looked like a short, interesting hike. In any other place, that would be true. The temperature when we left the car was 106F. This is only a bit hotter than the hottest day I've experienced in Virginia. I thought I would be fine. No. There's something about the extra temperature, the dryness, the pressure. My body wasn't handling it properly. I couldn't drink the water fast enough. I felt like crap walking back, and so did my companion.

It was 109F when we got back to the car, on the way up to who knows what. We turned around and nixed our plans to check out the camp sites there.

Now, you could say we were foolish; but we were nowhere near as foolish as many others. We *thought* we were prepared. Maybe the water saved us from collapsing. A lot of other people do truly foolish things out there, and pay the ultimate price. I will never underestimate that place again.

I'd like to do the dunes again--just before sunrise, which I understand is popular and comparatively sane.

Short-lived record? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 2 years ago | (#42421631)

If global warming is bringing more extreme weather, probably that record will get defeated next year, either in southern summer or northern one.

Re:Short-lived record? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42421793)

If global warming is bringing more extreme weather, probably that record will get defeated next year, either in southern summer or northern one.

Strange that it hasn't already occurred huh? Given that the CO2 has increased by 31% since 1913...(301ppm -> 395ppm).

Aziz, Light! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42422123)

I can see a very "heated" debate about this. My guess is this isn't about temperature as we might believe but about the new discovery of something truly evil and diabolical at this place in Libya. The only guess of what it could be would be from the name, perhaps referencing the movie "The 5th Element" (Aziz, Light!). Although I am currently watching "Devil's Advocate" so who knows?

Record in Death Valley is bullshit (1)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42422605)

when I was in Iraq, in the summer time, it hit 135 on a regular basis, with 141 occationally on hot days

its not 110 degress, which it gets in west texas either.
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