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Windows 8 Even Less Popular Than Vista

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the even-gnome3-is-more-liked dept.

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New submitter NettiWelho writes with even more bad news for Microsoft. From the article: "Windows 8 uptake has slipped behind Vista's at the same point after its release. Windows 8 online usage share is around 1.6% of all Windows PCs, which is less than the 2.2% share that Windows Vista commanded at the same two-month mark after release. Net Applications monitors operating system usage by recording OS version for around 40,000 sites it monitors for clients. The slowdown for Windows 8 adoption is a bad sign for Microsoft, who experienced great success with the release of Windows 7. Data was measured up to the 22nd of December, so there is still time by the end of the month for Windows 8 to claim a higher percentage of the user base."

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FIRST!! (-1, Troll)

Cyphase (907627) | about a year ago | (#42439729)

OF THE YEAR!!!!!

Re:FIRST!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439751)

You are not first. You are one story late. This one story is first and there are a bunch of comments ahead of you. http://politics.slashdot.org/story/13/01/01/0354255/the-us-careens-over-the-fiscal-cliff-reaching-only-half-of-a-deal [slashdot.org]

Microsoft - the company with two left feet (1, Interesting)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year ago | (#42440041)

Although Bill Gates had had his goof-ups, but still, compare to Steve Ballmer, Mr. Gates at least managed to keep Microsoft a top-rate company

Steve Ballmer, on the other hand ... ... Microsoft has become the company with two left feet

Re:Microsoft - the company with two left feet (5, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42440159)

Define "top rate" please. Somehow, I think you've discounted all those unethical business practices.

Re:FIRST!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439781)

OF THE YEAR!!!!!

Who fucking cares? Are you still in middle school, or something?

Re:FIRST!! (-1, Flamebait)

Cyphase (907627) | about a year ago | (#42439799)

OF THE YEAR!!!!!

Who fucking cares? Are you still in middle school, or something?

Do you have a stick up your ass, or something?

SECOND!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439731)

OF THE YEAR!!!!!

That's not the HTML you're looking for (5, Funny)

Kazymyr (190114) | about a year ago | (#42439733)

Misses a "<"

Re:That's not the HTML you're looking for (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439807)

and a </a>.

/. editors that dunno html ... (4, Informative)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year ago | (#42439965)

What can I say?

This ain't the first time the /. editors fscked up.

Re:/. editors that dunno html ... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year ago | (#42440123)

I guess the article editor also doesn't allow editing of submitted posts.

Re:/. editors that dunno html ... (1)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year ago | (#42440211)

I guess the article editor also doesn't allow editing of submitted posts.

I've been visiting slashdot for a long time, and there have been countless of times I've seen submitted posts altered.

Will Microsoft call on Burson-Marsteller to fix it (4, Interesting)

sethstorm (512897) | about a year ago | (#42439735)

It's not like they've not tried [wikipedia.org] to clean the image of Microsoft when Vista was poorly received.

Re:Will Microsoft call on Burson-Marsteller to fix (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439871)

I just cleaned my cock off with a vagina. And by vagina I mean sex...in fact, I just came exactly 27 minutes ago, at midnight Pacific time. I had the first Pacific time orgasm this year, and it was in a vagina!

The best part about it all is that she is in the bedroom and knows I'm trolling Slashdot from her Mac. Happy new year, bitches!

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Will Microsoft call on Burson-Marsteller to fix (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439889)

It sounds like your Mom is trying for every timezone then. I had her for Central Time.

Comparative scaling... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439745)

Considering the amount of desktops and laptop PCs people would've owned between now and 7 years ago, W8 would need volume-wise a larger uptake of vista.

Re:Comparative scaling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439765)

I mean "larger uptake THAN vista"...

It's not dead. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439747)

It's resting.

Re:It's not dead. (4, Interesting)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about a year ago | (#42439857)

I imagine Microsoft may just release a patch that fixes everything into a "classic" view to gain more sales.

Re:It's not dead. (4, Interesting)

jhoegl (638955) | about a year ago | (#42440069)

If they do, I will quickly look into Windows 8 for deployment at my job.
As it stands now, I wouldnt deploy it because it would cause too many headaches for tech support, teaching people how to use the Operating system.

Re:It's not dead. (3, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42440175)

Retraining on Linux Mint with Mate desktop might be easier. I say "might" - I'm not real sure if all Windows users are retrainable.

Re:It's not dead. (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#42440153)

I imagine Microsoft may just release a patch that fixes everything into a "classic" view to gain more sales.

What amazes me is that(at least at time of writing) they don't even offer a group policy setting that lets their whiny corporate customers set all their definitely-not-touchscreen boring typingboxes to go directly to desktop by default.

It isn't terribly tricky to script an invocation of "explorer.exe shell:::{3080F90D-D7AD-11D9-BD98-0000947B0257}" on login; but the fact that they don't just offer a GPO setting to switch strongly suggests that somebody at Microsoft is hitting the kool-aide far harder than is advisable.

I just don't understand it. With Vista, the mystery was how they'd managed to get so little done in 6-odd years of development, the core product just kind of sucked. With Win8, they essentially have the (generally well-liked) base of Win7, with a bunch of modest improvements in various areas, and then Metro. All they'd have to do is make it optional(or get really crazy and have it default on or off depending on whether the device has a touchscreen or not...) and everybody would stop whining more or less immediately. It's just sort of baffling.

Re:It's not dead. (1)

game kid (805301) | about a year ago | (#42440163)

They already did-ish, for Visual Studio 2012, by making an extension [msdn.com] to use a predefined VS2010-like color scheme or custom ones.

It's neither a full reversal nor an apology for the sudden rash of Full Retard spasms from their marketing and UI departments, and oh-so-certainly not enough to get me to give my street address just to register to use a more horrible-looking VS Express, but it's slight progress. Like, 0.3% of the giant leap back they took.

Incredible (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439753)

I didn't think it was possible to make something worse than Vista, but Microsoft did it. They really are out of touch with consumers by trying to ram this crappy UI down their throats. Looks like there's a lot of resistance. 2012 wasn't a very good year for Microsoft. 2013 should be even worse.

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440035)

Quote: should be even worse.

With any luck.

Re:Incredible (2)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#42440081)

Dynamically switching the end user between two different GUIs by default is an interesting design choice. Certainly not one I would have made. Allowing an advanced user to switch his GUIs on the fly, that's one thing...

It's just a big scam to make Windows 9 look good (4, Interesting)

CodeheadUK (2717911) | about a year ago | (#42439757)

People clung on to XP because Vista was crap, then dived on Win7 and declared it to be the best thing ever. Those same folks aren't going to give up 7 until the hardware support starts to die off, at which point Windows 9 will appear and the cycle will start again.

Assuming Microsoft are still around to make Win9 and we haven't all had to make the choice between OSX or Linux

Re:It's just a big scam to make Windows 9 look goo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440203)

>Assuming Microsoft are still around to make Win9 and we haven't all had to make the choice between OSX or Linux

Do you have any idea how much cash the company has? Windows 8 would not have to sell a single copy and Microsoft would be still filthy rich, just from Office sales.

Windows 8 blows (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439759)

I use windows 7. Why would i buy or even steal windows 8. What do i get? A crappy use interface? I like my start menu thing. I dont need this tile crap.

Re:Windows 8 blows (0)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#42440023)

Beyond DirectX 11.1 support, security. Fast start up and shutdowns.

Re:Windows 8 blows (4, Insightful)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year ago | (#42440047)

Beyond DirectX 11.1 support, security. Fast start up and shutdowns.

So nothing really important then? If you can't stand to look at something you simply don't want it in your face.

Re:Windows 8 blows (3, Insightful)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year ago | (#42440165)

DX11.1 adds essentially nothing of value over DX11. DX9>DX11 added a huge amount of stuff that mattered.
Win7 is quite secure. Again, change from XP to Seven was huge, change from Seven to Eight is miniscule.
Lastly, do people even shut down their machines anymore for anything other then updates? Everyone I know hibernates their machines.

Re:Windows 8 blows (0)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about a year ago | (#42440169)

If security is what you're after, then the majority of Microsoft's competition has Windows whipped. Secure Boot to the rescue, to eliminate all competitors who pose a threat! It's only a matter of time before Microsoft ditches the remaining backwards compatibility (ie. the traditional desktop) and sees no reason not to either force SecureBoot on x86 too, or just switch completely to ARM, allowing x86 to rot.

Ya gotta factor the Obama economy into it. (1)

AlexLibman (785653) | about a year ago | (#42439761)

The economy now is quite different than in 2007 [wikipedia.org]. Most people get the new Windows version with a new computer, and most people in first-world nations already have computers that are "good enough". There's also increased competition from portable devices.

--libman

A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (4, Interesting)

ArcadeNut (85398) | about a year ago | (#42439771)

1. The default UI was Metro.
2. They took my start button away.
3. Multi Monitor support was changed (Task bar now goes across all monitors).

While not major, it's still very annoying.

I know you can get utilities/hacks, etc... to fix this, but I shouldn't have to. At the minimum, they should have given options to turn them back on, even if they were off by default. So now they are trying to force their way of doing things on me.

Maybe they'll do better with Windows 9...but for now Windows 7 for me.

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439805)

Classic Shell from source forge is a great app to bring back the start menu. I used it for my desktop Win8 system and couldn't be happier. Win8 = Win7 + faster boot and some nice apps. All very cool

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439823)

I'll give you the first two, but the last one doesn't seem all that bad. What's so bad about being able to switch windows on every monitor?

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439843)

I have been using Win8 exclusively at work for almost 4 months now.

1. I thought this was a problem for a while but you stop noticing it after a while. Actually, I thought that I would not ever use any Metro apps but I now find that I keep the Metro messaging app docked to the side of one of my 4 screens. Very handy since it can't be overlaid by other apps no matter what happens and never occludes my desktop apps either. Win!

2. Start is still there, just think of the Metro UI as a giant animated start menu. Furthermore, the searching from the start screen is better than what we had in Win7. They also added a very useful admin menu thing Win-X which gives you quick access to stuff like command promts and admin prompts.

3. Multimonitor support in Win8 pisses all over Win7 from a great height. The task bar thing is awesome since you can pin certain apps to specific task bars and keep things organised by chosing to either show the apps only in the specific screen bar or on the screen and "main" screen task bar.

Even more so, performance of multimonitor smokes Win7. Try expanding a video in the player of your choice across 4 or more of your screens. In Win7 the video would get very choppy and often display artifacts. In Win8, no matter what the geometry and layout of the screens, the playback will be smooth and clear.

I am not saying that Win7 isn't a great OS but as a developer, things like the built in Hyper-V, excellent multi-screen support and so on just tip me to WIn8.

Richard.

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (3, Informative)

sdnoob (917382) | about a year ago | (#42439943)

the metro-first push is the deal-breaker for me... along with everything that's being used to force metro, microsoft's app store and microsoft accounts on people..

they even went so far as to FORCE PEOPLE TO SIGN UP FOR AN APP STORE ACCOUNT (microsoft), which includes providing personal information, JUST TO DOWNLOAD THE FUCKING GAMES (which are metro now, btw) that have always been a part of windows previously... and that most people play at least a little (i know some that basically use their computers just for spider or free cell and nothing else)

the big winner for windows 8 is that fucking nuisance, wild tangent, which has distribution deals with all the large pc makers... their trials and drm/game engine are now the only games that are preinstalled on the majority of windows 8 computers sold at retail.... the average /. reader will know how and where to get games from other sources, but the masses aren't that bright.. they'll see the preloaded trials and think "that's just how it is now" and buy from those scumbags.. not even realizing there are alternatives.

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (-1)

deniable (76198) | about a year ago | (#42439979)

Oh my god, they forced you to get a Hotmail account. How many did you already have? As for installed crapware, it's just a right-click to uninstall. No uninstaller prompt BS any more.

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (1, Insightful)

sdnoob (917382) | about a year ago | (#42440075)

none. and no one should be forced to sign up for a fucking account just to use their computer.

and remember, the vast majority of pc users are not as knowledgeable about this stuff as the average /. reader. they don't and won't know any different, and will just accept the wild tangent bullshit as the way to get their games back.

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (4, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#42440199)

As for installed crapware, it's just a right-click to uninstall. No uninstaller prompt BS any more.

No, it's not that easy. And it can never be that easy. Crapware is installed with system privileges. If you have crapware on your PC then somebody you don't trust to have your best interest at heart has been operating your PC with system privileges - before you even got it. They have professional programmers, advanced system knowledge. They can replace anything including core parts of the operating system, install keyloggers, rootkits and whatever. The standard retail consumer cannot defeat this. As an end user you absolutely must trust some of their software because you must have the OEM drivers to operate the gear. Even if you're an ideal IT pro and doing a burn an purge from verified Microsoft OS image, you still have to trust the OEM drivers that are installed with highest privilege. But the OEM has put fourth-party software on your gear, for pay, counter to your best interest - and almost certainly without inspecting it for nefarious code. This is not how you establish a trust relationship with your device or your OEM.

Windows OEMs cannot be trusted any more.

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (1, Redundant)

SilentOneNCW (943611) | about a year ago | (#42439949)

You can install Start8 to solve the first two problems, and the task bar thing is an option that can be changed by right clicking on the task bar.

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (2)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year ago | (#42439993)

Wait. So if they just left it just like Win7 you would have upgraded? Why?

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440151)

Faster start times, upgraded internal operations, all that stuff.

I picked up a win8 tablet for about 45 seconds before I just about smashed it in disgust. The usability is absolute shit, especially for those who use computers as workstations, who do real work. Makes the damn thing impossible to use in an working fashion. Which is why they have LOWER SALES THAN VISTA.

Frankly, the market spoke already, I don't need to justify why it is such shit, those who buy operating systems already have.

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (1)

qwe4rty (2599703) | about a year ago | (#42440001)

The first two points are what kept me away. The third one (task bar across both monitors?) I've actually wanted on occasion. Always wished it was an option. If you don't mind my asking, what is the issue with it?

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (1)

webheaded (997188) | about a year ago | (#42440087)

I can't fathom what his issue WOULD be with it since you can simply not turn that on. It is off by default. I use the feature though and I fucking love it. None of the 3rd party replacements were quite as good as the real thing.

Re:A couple things that kept me from upgrading... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440129)

First off, you can turn off the taskbar on subsequent monitors. Actually look before you complain..

There are two UIs, the Metro environment and the desktop. So there isnt a main UI.

Lastly, you dont need the start button if you learn how to use whats there.. Thats like complaining when going from Win 3.1 to 95. They got rid of my Program Manager I wish they gave me a way to turn it back on..

it's not like we didn't see this coming (2, Interesting)

sdnoob (917382) | about a year ago | (#42439775)

*WE* saw it.... microsoft, of course, did not. history continues -- every other release of windows sucks hairy donkey balls.

Re:it's not like we didn't see this coming (1)

dragonquest (1003473) | about a year ago | (#42439883)

Win95 and 98 were both quite ok and in succession.

Re:it's not like we didn't see this coming (2)

sdnoob (917382) | about a year ago | (#42439955)

treat 98se as being separate from 98... so you have 95 good, 98 not so much, 98se good.... me.... well, you know.

Re:it's not like we didn't see this coming (3, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#42440007)

WTF? Windows 95 was an unstable pile of shit, bits of Windows for Workgroups glued on to a terrible Win32 implementation. It was a rickety disaster released at least a year too soon out of fear that OS/2 Warp might gain enough adoption to fuck up the precious OEM model necessary to Redmond's survival.

Even Windows 98 was semi dubious until SE2, and modules like Winsock were rewritten so they didn't barf with obscene regularity.

Re:it's not like we didn't see this coming (1)

thsths (31372) | about a year ago | (#42440089)

I wound agree, the only problems with Win95 came from incompatible software, and Win98 was just fine for me. I never tried Win98SE, but I agree that ME was crap. In fact, I think Win ME started the bad - good - bad cycle. Think about it: Win 3 and Win 3.1 were both kind of ok, too.

Maybe because sales of PC have been going down (5, Interesting)

prasadsurve (665770) | about a year ago | (#42439787)

Most of the consumers are preferring to buy Tablets over PC so I guess the numbers of new Windows 8 PC are bound to be down as well. The fact that Windows 8 is horrible is probably just icing on the cake.

Re:Maybe because sales of PC have been going down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439841)

But now if they include tablets in the PC sales figures, iPad will still win 8)

Re:Maybe because sales of PC have been going down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439847)

I do not install Win8 on new pcs in the office because there is no driver for the network printer. Also Win7 is very good to be replaced. Additionally the devs in the office do not like win8.

Re:Maybe because sales of PC have been going down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439969)

Er? What? PC shipment GREW in 2012 compared to 2011 (http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1981717), so that pretty much makes your argument invalid as people are buying MORE computers now than ever. They are also buying tablets, mobile phones and other electronic devices in addition. So, if anything, with household owning multiple devices you'd expect more Windows 8 sales.

Re:Maybe because sales of PC have been going down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440059)

Define "PC". The 80's IBM PC form factor? Yeah tablets and phones are not "personal" as you share everything...
Also relative sales of tablets has probably gone up more than laptop sales as the *pad usage has been virtually nonexistent.

Re:Maybe because sales of PC have been going down (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440053)

Most of the consumers are also preferring to buy Laptops over PC for content creation. Content creation includes bigger screen, good keyboard and real software. I know nobody who own only Tablets. I know many who have more Tablets than Laptops.

Joygasm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439829)

As a Linux user, I cannot contain my joygasm! 2013 will be the year of the Desktop Linux!

It is a functional downgrade (1)

verin (74429) | about a year ago | (#42439851)

Why bother upgrading, just to run all my applications from inside the desktop app? Sure the fast boot would be nice, and being able to mount iso's, but thats not worth the extra hassle.

Ideal opportunity ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439859)

Given the Ubuntu fiasco fallout with the FSF ( short: Canonical sending all searches to Amazon ) this is a perfect opportunity for Microsoft to enter the market with the only product I would buy from them: Microsoft Linux. I'm not kidding : drop the Windows stupidity and back a winning horse and get some good PR for a change, Bill....

I could have had a Windows 8 laptop (0)

msobkow (48369) | about a year ago | (#42439861)

I could have had a Windows 8 laptop, but I opted to get a "last year's model" with Windows 7 after test driving that abortion of release 8.

I can't imagine a more unfriendly desktop for a software developer, except maybe Gnome 3.

Re:I could have had a Windows 8 laptop (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440197)

I got called in to help my Mother's barely computer-literate friend with her new super-duper Windows 8 laptop.

Good grief. What a nightmare. What normally takes a few minutes with 7 (slap on Firefox and a few other progs. done) took half a day and I even had to do a factory reset when the lappy decided my user account didn't have enough privilege to run UAC ("Please enter your administrator password" - WHERE?!?!?) The funny part was when I got a call a day later telling me the machine didn't work, it was stuck on "Some picture of a skyscraper". Ah, that would be the lock screen. How do we get rid of that? Errr, move the mouse down to the bottom of the display, click and drag the picture up thus revealing the password box underneath. ARE YOU SERIOUS MICROSOFT!?!??! Yeah, I know this makes perfect sense on tablets. She wasn't using a tablet, so WTF?

Based on this one exposure I'm betting millions of average people will currently be tearing their hair out over the Win 8 monstrosity. Telling them they can download hacks & fixes & third-party tools isn't going to help. Telling them to forget half their Win 7 controls and just remember various keyboard shortcuts isn't going to help, either.

As for the Metro GUI. Good grief. I've been overlaying different-sized windows since the days of my Atari ST. Metro seems to be either full-screen, or a kind of triptych tiling system. Not so handy for anyone with a display bigger than nine inches (i.e. 99.9% of Windows users).

I actually like Windows 8 (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439867)

Metro makes me use the keyboard more to search for apps and pin common ones - actually more efficient than the start menu.

It boots in seconds.

Multiple monitor support is better and configurable.

It really isn't much different to Windows 7.

Re:I actually like Windows 8 (1)

DigitAl56K (805623) | about a year ago | (#42439985)

When you have to post as AC to say you like Windows 8...

Anyway, I don't get why the few seconds faster boot time is such a big deal. How often do you boot your computer? And Metro is a disorganized full-screen monstrosity with a walled-garden app store and ad platform. It's there for Microsoft to make money ala Apple, not necessarily to make your life better. Saying that it makes you use the keyboard more is the opposite of efficiency when it's supposed to be a visual/touch UI. Design fail?

Re:I actually like Windows 8 (0)

ub3r n3u7r4l1st (1388939) | about a year ago | (#42440049)

Turn it off completely saves more power than just having in sleep mode, not to mention inherit security risk of keeping your computer powered on.

As for boot time, not everyone is using SSDs. Back in windows 7 it takes about a minute for a pair of WD velociraptor raid-0 to boot it up. In Win 8 it takes 20 seconds, catching up with SSD speeds while having a much larger real estate.

Re:I actually like Windows 8 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440099)

That's what hibernate is for...

Re:I actually like Windows 8 (1)

sdnoob (917382) | about a year ago | (#42440115)

you can hibernate your windows 7 (which is essentially what windows 8 is actually doing, btw.. ) and get nearly the same "boot up" times.

Re:I actually like Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440143)

Turn it off completely saves more power than just having in sleep mode, not to mention inherit security risk of keeping your computer powered on.

As for boot time, not everyone is using SSDs. Back in windows 7 it takes about a minute for a pair of WD velociraptor raid-0 to boot it up. In Win 8 it takes 20 seconds, catching up with SSD speeds while having a much larger real estate.

Doesn't it do this by closing programs then hibernating rather than a proper shutdown, and wasn't there just recently a story about how physical access + hibernate made some of the drive encryption solutions useless ?

Re:I actually like Windows 8 (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440005)

Metro makes me use the keyboard more to search for apps and pin common ones - actually more efficient than the start menu.

It boots in seconds.

Multiple monitor support is better and configurable.

It really isn't much different to Windows 7.

Dude seriously.. if all that is done with an os is web browsing, email, and the occasional third party app here and there.. ANY os will do. When it comes to getting some real work done you really need the operating system to stay the fk out of the way and be as intuative as possible. As a cloud operations engineer with one of the worlds largest companies, i could never use that os for work... it is a mere toy for the consumer base. Nothing more. Linux Mint will cure the illness... welcome all defectors!!

Re:I actually like Windows 8 (1)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year ago | (#42440015)

I also like File History way better than the old backup utility. And drive space lets me group several drives into one virtual drive. So it's got that goin for it, which is nice.

Re:I actually like Windows 8 (2, Interesting)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#42440031)

For years windows guys have been telling me how backwards us *nix types were for reliance on the keyboard. Now suddenly to try pump Wndows 8, the keyboard is a great thing.

Mohave Experiment 2.0 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439901)

Windows 8 will be officially a worse product than Vista if MS decides it needs to rehash the Mohave experiment [wikipedia.org], IMHO.

Stick a fork in Ballmer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439909)

...'cuz he's done.

silver lining (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#42439917)

However, Microsoft is now perfectly positioned to corner the market on firing CEOs, designers, and project managers. They could outdo any other company 10:1 if they just find whoever was responsible for these atrocities and get rid of them

Piracy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439927)

It would actually be interesting to see some statistics for illegal downloads of windows 8. Popular software gets pirated.

Time between releases (1)

hrdo (1558935) | about a year ago | (#42439931)

That people were eager to upgrade to Vista is no surprise, considering the time between the XP and Vista releases. The time between Windows 7 and Windows 8 was maybe not enough to make people switch? As for the start-menu, I don't really care as long as you can use the Win+R shortcut... I run both systems - I don't really think Windows 8 is worse than Windows 7. It is actually faster.

Anecdote alert (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439933)

I was at my parents' house for Christmas this year and their computer died. During the ensuing "build me a new one" phase they had one opinion they refused to budge on: no Windows 8. And they know precisely nothing about computers.

On the upshot, you can now build a surprisingly good PC for under 300 bucks without having to pay the Windows tax -- but you can also get a computer almost as good if not better because of the Windows subsidy.

im a linux guy thru and thru , that said... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42439947)

the only thing ms products are good for is practice .hahaha
but dammit its only 1253 here and it took this long to put up an anti-ms rant /. youre slippin

cornered animal (4, Insightful)

caywen (942955) | about a year ago | (#42439997)

They worked their assed off, but made some really bad decisions. Now, sales are looking like a disaster - in their core revenue generator. Microsoft is beginning to feel like a cornered animal. It does still have claws, and hopefully the board will understand just how badly steveb has executed, once it sees the bottom starting to fall out. 2013 will be an entertaining year seeing how Microsoft scrambles. I'd start with a tutorial that wasn't a 2 hour hack job.

Re:cornered animal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440103)

People don't need just one horse more in the race. People need one platform to rule them all.

Steam hardware survey says otherwise (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440011)

Considering the types of people who would use steam, their hardware survey from November showed Win8 adoption higher than Vista if I remember correctly. Their site is down at the moment so they haven't updated for December yet.

The pattern continues. (1)

Jeepster77 (1106973) | about a year ago | (#42440017)

Win98 - Decent OS WinME- Absolute crap WinXP- Love it! Vista- Absolute crap Win7- Not bad at all, pretty decent overall Win8- tried the preview, hated it within minutes. Win9- hoping for redemption. Microsoft's pattern continues - good OS, crap OS.

Steve Balmer (4, Insightful)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about a year ago | (#42440037)

The CEO needs to be let go. It should have happened a long time ago, but I can't see them letting him off the hook yet again. He has literally done nothing positive for the company since he took over.

Gnome team and Microsoft think tablets are super! (4, Interesting)

BrookHarty (9119) | about a year ago | (#42440139)

User interface guidelines. Android is finally realizing they needed interface guidelines. Apple has done great in both OSX and IOS. But Gnome team and Microsoft seems to be ignoring every standard and going gooey eyed over tablets.

My tablet is not my work computer, not my game system, and not my media box. Its my portable content reader.

Listen to your users.

Win8 with KDE? (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about a year ago | (#42440209)

I think that Windows 8 with Cygwin and KDE as the desktop may be quite nice, but the bad Gnome3 clone formerly called Metro really doesn't work well.

display manufacturers take some blame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440155)

Once the iPad and other tablets started to take off, it was clear that in some cases touch-screen is convenient. Make monitors touch screen. making the by the millions will reduce costs. Sure not budget monitors, but make it a pretty clear contender as a standard. I dont have windows 8 on any of my touch devices at current but it seems like the UI would be quite alright. Otherwise, defaulting it to metro is a trainwreck for power users or even people who like choice. capacitive touch with tempered or similar (gorilla, etc) glass surface might jack up the cost quite a bit but even a simple resistive film coated would be a start. The notion of interface has changed radically very recently with touch and speech input being default options on phones and tablets. its time to make a 300 dollar phone not outstrip a full pc in terms of input options. toss a decent quality microphone in the monitor too. it would be nice if HDMI could pipe touch and mic and camera through it, i dont know enough about the spec to know if its possible or not.

A few different factors at play (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440187)

This time there are a few different factors at play that may alter stats (in either direction):

1 - Vista was released after Christmas, 8 was before. We might expect that this would lead to increased adoption for Windows 8 compared to Vista.
2 - Vista was released before the financial crisis, consumer sentiment has not recovered (and may not fully recover). I posit that most purchases now would be out of necessity rather than whim.
3 - Tablets have significantly displaced PC's and laptops, WinRT didn't really make it onto shelves in time to even touch that market. In my local Harvey Norman retail store I see many older couples and families buying tablets, moreso than those buying laptops or desktops.
4 - Win7 is considered a solid platform. Vista replaced a rapidly aging XP whereas 8 is competing with 7. Windows 7 was and is a fantastic desktop OS. Many would see no reason to rush out and upgrade from 7 to 8.

I don't think these stats say anything about 8 as a product, I think it has more to do with timing and the different market conditions.

Not sure if it's atrocious but it needs help (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42440193)

Win8 isn't "bad" per se - if you're using WinRT on a Winphone (i.e., Nokia Lumia) it's just fine - but as a desktop OS it feels like a terribly schizophrenic decision. As a tablet UI it's probably just as capable as IOS or Android and perhaps moreso.

As a desktop OS, however, it feels as though MSFT couldn't make up their minds if they were simply going to stop supporting desktops entirely or only partially stop supporting that UI model. The effect of Metro (sorry I know that's no longer the "official" name but many many people still ID the Win8 UI as Metro, obviously) is that it serves primarily as a replacement for the Start menu - i.e., this is how I get to all my programs - but then it's terribly unnecessary for all that. Ergo you end up with all sorts of shell / explorer replacements and add-ons that return the Start menu functionality that has been there now going on well over a decade. In the end you may as well continue on using Windows 7, which most will.

I would be curious, however, to see how Metro feels with a laptop - or even desktop, for that matter - that has a touchscreen and a keyboard. Haven't taken one out for a spin but I think as a UI Metro probably works much better that way. That way your fingers dance between keyboard and screen rather than keyboard and mouse. What is much harder to intuit via mouse + Metro is much easier when you have the touch interface of the laptop or desktop available. You can see MSFT promoting this in their numerous commercials as they try to flog the Win8 beast to the public: i.e., look how AMAZING Win8 is when you have a touchscreen available to use it.

I dabbled with a Surface device some years ago (back when Surface was simply a techie plaything for MSFT) when I had a chance to visit their tech center in Mountain View - 2009-ish IIRC - and the UI of course was nothing like what evolved into Metro. It was more like "stupid UI tricks" that R&D UI engineers like to imagine in their ivory towers. It was fun and entertaining but never felt like an actual operating system UI.

For a UI Metro is a big, huge leap for Microsoft. For design, for execution, and even for daring I actually admire Microsoft for taking a rather massive leap. Coupled with Windows phone and Surface (WinRT) and the redesign of all their core apps - including, of course, Office - it's clear they're banking their future on it. A lot of people - including myself - don't fully "get it" yet and it will take the public quite a while to fully understand it. They aren't hedging their bets here - they're going all-in on the tiled UI concept, winner take all or loser go home. I give them credit, at the very least, for seeing the writing on the wall. The consumer computing universe is migrating to tablets. Laptops and desktops are important for business, still, and are likely to remain so if not forever at least for a very long time. They still have a pretty solid lock on that world but they also see Apple creeping in as the "average" business person now wants an iDevice for their daily computing device. I don't think that gadget consumer is terribly interested in the Surface or Winphone - both very capable devices, of course - and just want an iPad or iPhone (or iPod/iTouch) because they knows that's where the apps are. MSFT is - it has to - play a very long game here. It's got a big cash hoard and will have to plow it into the effort to make these devices relevant not simply to business but to consumers who already have a huge amount of choice and options with IOS and Android tablets and phones. They're facing a massive uphill battle and have a long way to go because it's not just MSFT vs. Apple or MSFT vs. IBM this time it's MSFT vs. Apple *AND* Google and, arguably, themselves as they struggle to extract themselves from their image as a very uncool company.

Tablets, tablets, tablets... (2)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#42440201)

People have gone tablet crazy, they estimate that here in Norway around 100,000 tablets have been sold this year for Christmas in a country to 5 million. That's 1 in 50 getting a tablet for Christmas. Not sure how many actually hate it, but Win8 was certainly met with a giant yawn in the market. Must be frustrating for MS to see that nobody wants Microsoft phones and tablets. Apple and Google on the other hand must be making a very, very good year...

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