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Pirated iOS App Store Site Shuts Down

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the another-reason-to-stick-with-free-software dept.

Piracy 432

SternisheFan writes with this excerpt from CNET: "Installous, a major portal for pirated paid apps from Apple's App Store, won't be around anymore. Development team Hackulous today announced the closure of Installous on their official Web site. As of today, the pirated app store no longer works, and only shows these errors: 'Outdated version. Installous will now terminate' or 'API Error. API unavailable.' For many years, Installous offered complete access to thousands of paid iOS apps for free for anyone with a jailbroken iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch. Think of it as being able to walk into a fancy department store, steal anything you want, and never get caught."

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Moo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441083)

Boo

Archive/mirror? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441543)

Where can I get it?

Omg, I have to pay (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441099)

No free books and music
No free games

Wtf is wrong with the world
How do we get out rights back from these greedy a$$holes charging $.99 a game?

Cow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441101)

Sow

About time (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441109)

Honestly don't know how they were able to stay up for so long.

Would have been nice to see Apple focusing on shutting down services like these to protect their appstore ecosystem rather than using their patents to go after samsung, etc

Re:About time (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441229)

Honestly don't know how they were able to stay up for so long.

Would have been nice to see Apple focusing on shutting down services like these to protect their appstore ecosystem rather than using their patents to go after samsung, etc

yeah.. it's as if someone was running a warez repository with everything on steam with hosted servers and a custom client, far beyond what mere p2p announce sites do. compare it to megaupload for example and it's downright crazy it stayed online and megaupload got shut down.

the closing reasons seem a bit bullshit. it's probably more along the lines that it became too risky and expensive to run(and nobody with right mind would associate with it with their real names anyhow).

Why bother? (1, Insightful)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441903)

Pirated software is chock-full of malware. Are modern users too obtuse to observe this simple fact? Consider that much of what you are paying for with proprietary software is the QA process from the software maker, and the assurance that the software you install won't turn your computer into some 4chan script kiddie's zombie. Anyone who would pay the kind of ca$h required to obtain and use a new iPhone shouldn't be trying to stick pirated apps on there. Pay your five bucks - don't be a dumbass. At least you get some level of confidence (however small) that the app you install isn't going to infect your device.

Or, a better alternative is to only use devices that allow you to install free, open source software, where the community of users and developers work together to carry out the QA process. Open source solutions exist for nearly every software function.

Pussy in my Underroos (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441115)

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This should be YRO (2)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441149)

Stealing $.99 games is clearly a right

Re:This should be YRO (1)

hsmith (818216) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441181)

$500 phone

$100 a month service charges

Yet, you can't afford $0.99 software, lol

Re:This should be YRO (0)

Soluzar (1957050) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441707)

I have no problem with paying for what I want from the app store, but seriously... who pays full price for an iPhone, or that kind of price for their plan? I know things are different from country to country, but I got my first and only iPhone (these days I use Android) free with a £36 per month plan. Admittedly I was locked in for two years, but that's still not the same as paying $500 up front then another $100 a month. Those kind of prices would be for high rollers only.

I did (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441751)

Cricket sold me the phone for $400, and is about $15/mo cheaper than any provider (even with my work discount). Also, I don't have to worry about my kid running up a huge bandwidth bill. The service tends to be faster too, but that's just my area.

Re:This should be YRO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441197)

Depends who they're "stealing" from, doesn't it? Since Apple makes so much money from their app store, maybe they feel entitled after overpaying for the hardware.

I have a Nexus 7 tablet, my only gadget and a stupid phone, I really don't see the point of pirating apps when so many free (not pirated) and sometimes better alternatives exist.

Re:This should be YRO (1)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441397)

And you know lately? I have found spending as much as $5 to be more convenient than downloading things and taking my chances that there is no malware inside.

That said, I have a bit of a problem with Google's play and others. They all validate your license to apps in some way. I legally had many things from Amazon's app store and was troubleshooting my phone as something had gone awry and removed the Amazon app store from my phone. Then everything I bought through there stopped working. That's a string I can live without. Fortunately nothing cost all that much so turning my back on the loss didn't take much consideration on my part.

But Google Play does the same thing... just can't easily remove Google play... can you?

Re:This should be YRO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441407)

Depends who they're "stealing" from, doesn't it? Since Apple makes so much money from their app store, maybe they feel entitled after overpaying for the hardware...

A feeling of entitlement is a bit natural and expected after taking a financial ass-raping by visiting an Apple store.

Re:This should be YRO (0)

beelsebob (529313) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441509)

And this is exactly the problem... Everyone feels entitled to things they have no entitlement to at all.

Trip up on the pavement? Clearly I'm entitled to $20,000 from the local administration!
Buy an iPhone? Clearly I'm entitled to rip off any developer who writes the software I want to run!

Fuck off and grow a brain.

Re:This should be YRO (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441747)

Read the article that precedes this, "What Could Have Been in the Public Domain Today, but Isn't". Although that "Could" really ought to read "Should".

Government and big media have over and over again violated the contract that is Copyright. Why should anyone else show respect for it?

Piracy = Theft Analogy (5, Insightful)

Sam H (3979) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441161)

Think of it as being able to walk into a fancy department store, steal anything you want, and never get caught.

Oh wow, the piracy / physical theft analogy. Looks like the first Slashdot troll of the year!

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0, Troll)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441193)

Oh wow, the piracy / physical theft analogy. Looks like the first Slashdot troll of the year!

Oh wow, the first attempt to justify a piracy site not by directly defending it but by making a pointless semantic argument.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0, Troll)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441267)

The "argument" is not "pointless". Ones and zeros have almost no value. They are reproducible, infinitely, for free. But, you want to charge me a dollar just to use one particular combination of ones and zeros?

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (4, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441321)

Someone had to do the work to get that particular combination of ones and zeroes to line up. Our laws give them copyright governing how they are distributed and they choose to ask for money in exchange.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (5, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441399)

If/when we fix copyright laws, then I might respect them more. You want copyrights for software? Five years. You want copyrights for music, books, and movies? Fifteen years. That's it, no more. Software is all but useless from an economic point of view after five years. Works of fiction never lose value, but still, fifteen years. Original research in a scientific field, I might go to 30 years. Genuine R&D, that takes dump truck loads of money? I might go thirty years on that as well.

In today's world, I have zero respect for copyright law.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (4, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441721)

If/when we fix copyright laws, then I might respect them more. You want copyrights for software? Five years. You want copyrights for music, books, and movies? Fifteen years. That's it, no more. Software is all but useless from an economic point of view after five years. Works of fiction never lose value, but still, fifteen years. Original research in a scientific field, I might go to 30 years. Genuine R&D, that takes dump truck loads of money? I might go thirty years on that as well.

I agree with you on the length of copyrights. They are way too long. And I'm absolutely with you on taking civil disobedience action to make the point.

So, what you need to do is only copy-without- permission software that is older than 5 years. And music, books and movies that are older than 15 years.

If you copy new stuff, then that just makes it clear you're just a pirate, not a principled opposer of unfair copyright.

In fact this argument about unfair copyright lengths has been used so often I keep expecting someone to launch a sight that lists, possibly with links to download, items that are beyond a certain age. To facilitate this principled civil disobedience. But I don't see any. Which makes me think that maybe this argument is really just a lot of hot air, designed to make the proposer feel better about his piracy.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441725)

You're being very generous on R&D, as currently they only get 20 years. And that's because R&D uses patents rather than a copyright.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441873)

If/when we fix copyright laws, then I might respect them more.

What are you doing to fix copyright laws other then being a basement dwelling neckbeard? Have you contacted any legislators or regulators?
Or did you date a more popular and oh so brave route of changing you twitter icon?

Also you MIGHT respect them more? So if everyone around fixes everthing you don't like about copyright you might consent to PAYING FOR WHAT YOU USE? Wow your mom must be very proud to have you as a kid and your very moral stance of taking thing other people made.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (2, Insightful)

Zemran (3101) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441413)

That may be true but it in no way makes physical theft (where an actual object is taken and the owner is deprived of that object) the same as copying (where no object is taken). The corporations want to make the analogy in order to make the plebs see copying as theft but it is a slight of hand. They are not the same thing and only the terminally stupid would fall for the trick.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1, Troll)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441753)

That's right. It's more like rape. After all, the rapist merely gets his fun by ignoring the woman's right to say no. But he doesn't actually take anything physical.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441353)

Well that's your fucked up view. You don't believe in intellectual property. I'm an anarchist and don't believe in property at all. To take your argument forward, I gather you wont mind when I steal your car and kick your dog.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441375)

Go ahead - kick the dog. How expensive are prosthetics these days? And, steal the car, funerals aren't excessively expensive either, I guess.

Here I am rebelling against unjust and unreasonable laws, you're talking about rebelling against all laws. Is anarchy a genetic defect, or have you just smoked to much of something bad? You were warned that drying Drano then smoking it was bad for you, right?

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441463)

Kind of missing the point there.

Just because you don't agree with a law does not excuse you from it. A property right (intellectual or not) is something granted and protected by the state. If you don't respect the property rights of others, dont expect others to respect yours.

Someone put in hard work to create that intellectual property the same way you worked hard for your car. Respect that our society rewards their work by granting that person a property right over what they have made.

Oh and BTW I'm not really an anarchist, im illustrating a point.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441571)

Point taken then. But, you also seem to miss my point. I'm not browsing the intartubez and "stealing" everything I can find. I'm objecting to, and rebelling against current copyright laws. Several congress critters could tell you how passionate I am on this subject. I have written a LOT of emails to Washington. Anyone whose valid email address I have discovered has heard from me on the subjects of ACTA, NPP, SOPA, and more.

The laws are patently unjust, and I can't condemn anyone for violating them.

Kinda like marijuana laws. Put reasonable regulations in place, then I'll agree that people who violate marijuana regulations need to be punished. Punishment, in most cases, comparable to a parking fine.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441705)

Totally agree that the current laws are retarded.

But to rip off small indie developers is just plain rude IMHO.

If you are going to pirate shit you need to do it from a moral framework that is well thought out, consistently applied and fair to everyone involved. If you are just getting shit for free you are an asshole.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441651)

A property right (intellectual or not) is something granted and protected by the state

Holy crap, no! Is that what you think?

In the absence of a government or state, you would still have physical property. If you have a loaf of bread, I would have to take it by force or coercion. Once I took it from you, you would no longer have that bread and I would. You would go hungry and I would be sated. You are free to protect your bread with whatever means you deem appropriate - seeking the protection of a warlord seems like a common choice.

In this same absence of state or government, you walk by me whistling a little tune you made up. I start whistling the same tune. You can keep whistling your tune even though I have "stolen" it from you. You can try to protect your "tune" by not whistling it, but as soon as you share it - it is free.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441819)

Once again it comes down to enforcement.

If I was a weak man then my ability to enforce my property or intellectual creations would be diminished.

If I was Genghis Khan then you wouldn't take my bread and you also wouldn't whistle my tune because I said so, if you didnt do what I said I would fuck you up.

Again, all concepts of property come down to your ability to enforce your perceived ownership.

I'm well versed in the distinction between a "natural property" right and "imaginary property" rights. I once believed that this difference mattered in this argument but have changed my view.

Any concept of ownership is an artificial creation of western culture. For example, Indigenous Australian peoples refer to themselves as custodians of land and property because of a quite valid view that people do not own the land, the land owns people.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441897)

In the absence of a government or state, you would still have physical property. If you have a loaf of bread, I would have to take it by force or coercion. Once I took it from you, you would no longer have that bread and I would.

You're confusing the differing concepts of property and possession. A thief possesses a stolen object, but doesn't own it.

seeking the protection of a warlord seems like a common choice.

You probably want to ease up on the WoW and LoTR.

In this same absence of state or government, you walk by me whistling a little tune you made up. I start whistling the same tune. You can keep whistling your tune even though I have "stolen" it from you. You can try to protect your "tune" by not whistling it, but as soon as you share it - it is free.

How about a joke?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YE9Kthyaco [youtube.com]

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441401)

I don't think you'd like the punishment meated out in an anarchist fashion, but your welcome to try.

ps my dogs an anarchist too, so good luck with that.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441581)

Your poodle does not concern me

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441631)

Your shih tzu is of no concern to me

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441391)

Sounds like an extremely weak argument for stealing someone else's work. You must be unemployed.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441395)

Go make your own random combo and cream your shorts as it flashes on the screen

For free

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (3, Insightful)

spottedkangaroo (451692) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441409)

Presumably because the arrangement of ones and zeros took hours of someone's life... they should really get paid for that. Aside from the lotto winners (angry birds, etc) the vast majority of developers make less than minimum wage off the apps. I have one that's sold close to a thousand copies and I'm still only at about $5.50/hour. So while stealing is clearly the wrong word (since you didn't deprive me of anything); copyright infringement applies and you should really feel pretty guilty -- particularly if you find my app useful.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1, Flamebait)

poetmatt (793785) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441441)

They should get paid?

Absolutely not. They can *ask* to be paid, but there is no right to get paid or "Should". There is no entitlement that the effort you spend = $$.

The distinction is that requiring that you get money for your effort is borderline extortion.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441717)

Wow. Opposition to a thousand of years old principle. Effort -> compensation.
I work->I get paid. I prepare dinner->I get my food. A lion hunt->it has a meal.
Why shouldn't app developpers be included? Free and/or open source is great but it certainly isn't the natural way to go.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441777)

So everyone who works a job and expects the weekly paycheck from their boss is extorting said boss?

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (4, Insightful)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441793)

They can *ask* to be paid, but there is no right to get paid or "Should".

Indeed, it's called offering it for sale. But they certainly do have a right to get paid if you take a copy of the software.

The distinction is that requiring that you get money for your effort is borderline extortion.

Workers are applying extortion by expecting to get paid for their efforts? Have you ever had a job in your life?

That's the trouble with open source fans. They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (2)

spottedkangaroo (451692) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441879)

If they're using the app, yes, I should get paid, or they shouldn't be using the app.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (5, Insightful)

timholman (71886) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441477)

The "argument" is not "pointless". Ones and zeros have almost no value. They are reproducible, infinitely, for free. But, you want to charge me a dollar just to use one particular combination of ones and zeros?

It never ceases to amaze me how people with a background in computer programming and operations (as you clearly have) will discount their own labor, and the labor of others.

The iOS / Android store model is everything that the Slashdot crowd claims to support in software development. Most of the money goes to the developers, and most of those developers are not rich. In return for putting the effort into writing and maintaining a software package that gives you many hours of enjoyment (or utility), a developer asks for less money that you'd pay to buy a candy bar or can of soda. It is the micropayment support system that everyone used to wish for back in the days of multi-hundred dollar monopoly software prices, and yet somehow, to some people, it is still too much to pay.

I support the iOS / Android store model, and I say that as someone who has written an open source software utility with thousands of users. I distribute it freely, but that is my choice, not the choice of someone else. I have zero sympathy for those who think they have the right to make that choice for someone who is only asking you to pay one or two dollars for his time and effort.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441615)

Hey man, like, that car is just made from a combination of atoms. Atoms don't belong to anyone. They were born in the big bang, and rain from the skies or are dug from mother earth. We have just as much right to that car as anyone else does. Let's take it for a ride.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

Kergan (780543) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441821)

There's a bit more to programming than bogosorting [wikipedia.org] a string of zeros and ones

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441331)

If you think dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it (AKA, theft) is the same as copyright infringement (Eg: copying bits) then I suggest you never look at any Copyrighted work again as you're 'stealing' everything you look at by creating a mental encoding of it in your mind, especially if all rights are reserved.
The key difference between theft and copyright infringement is deprivation of said property, copying by definition does not meeting this criteria. This does not make it any less wrong, but it's still not theft and any implication is factually wrong and pollutes discussions about mechanisms to enforce copyright. Such mechanisms are fatally flawed and only provide security through obscurity with no other layers. You can't stop Eve when Bob is Eve [wikipedia.org] )

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441403)

Indeed. Piracy isn't theft because a person is depriving someone of their product. It's theft because a person is depriving them of the money they asked for that was supposed to be exchanged for the product that person received.

So copying still meets the criteria because a price was asked and the product was taken without exchanging the funds to pay the asking price. It doesn't matter if it was just a copy of an infinitely copyable supply. It only pollutes the discussion when pirates try to justify copyright infringement by claiming it's not theft. It's a matter of semantics and has no actual bearing on the reasoning behind the laws.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441443)

What you a describing is fraud, still not theft.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441481)

Fraud is where a person who, by any deception, dishonestly obtains property belonging to another, or obtains any financial advantage or causes any financial disadvantage.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441545)

No one mentioned theft, they mentioned stealing.

Steal:
v. stole, stolen, stealing, steals
1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

Seems to apply to me.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441601)

Oh! Oh! I know this game, let's play "Using non-legal dictionary definitions in legal definition discussions!"

Merriam Webster Thesaurus: theft
Synonyms larceny, robbery, stealing, thievery


Your turn!

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441611)

Oddly, synonyms don't always mean exactly the same thing, they have subtly different meanings. If they did mean the exact same thing, we'd only have one word for it.

Synonym:
noun
1. A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language.

Your turn!

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441735)

You missed the primary point of using incorrect definitions, it's like using the word terrorism to describe any appalling crime rather than those crimes whose intent is to terrorise the public/government (exact definition/verbs and nouns depending on jurisdiction of course). It's especially important in discussions regarding copyright because the very point which is being argued about is one of the key distinguishing features of the legal definition of theft. Why can't we just call it copyright infringement and leave it at that? A less politically contentious example would be manslaughter, we don't call it murder we call it manslaughter because there's a difference. Back in the day of blue boxes [wikipedia.org] , you didn't 'steal' phonecalls from the phone company, you were defrauding them, though technically, as time went on, these offences got their own names and own legislation. Need I go on?

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441369)

Oh wow, the piracy / physical theft analogy. Looks like the first Slashdot troll of the year!

Oh wow, the first attempt to justify a piracy site not by directly defending it but by making a pointless semantic argument.

No, he was simply pointing out a bit of obvious flamebait. Yours is the first post to do what you just claimed he did, only you used a personal attack instead of a semantic debate.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

Zemran (3101) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441389)

As it has no comparison to walking into an actual department store, fancy or otherwise, and stealing, the point is far more valid than your attempt to troll.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (3, Informative)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441461)

to justify a piracy site

Except that he wasn't trying to justify it. Piracy is not theft and that's that.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (2, Funny)

Sam H (3979) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441575)

Oh wow, the first attempt to justify a piracy site not by directly defending it but by making a pointless semantic argument.

Oh wow, looks like the second Slashdot troll of the year!

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (1)

houghi (78078) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441529)

OTOH I wish Piracy and Theft were the same. You could kill a guy while stealing a CD and you will be better off then when RIAA gets after you.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441633)

Yes, its getting pretty old.

The tactic that if you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes the truth in the publics perception. Then once that happens the flood gates open wide for governmental intervention, with the peoples support.

Re:Piracy = Theft Analogy (2)

Stoutlimb (143245) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441773)

It's almost like walking into a library and reading any book you want.

Cost of Apps (4, Insightful)

timmyf2371 (586051) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441173)

I've never understood the desire to pirate apps iOS (or Android/WP) apps. If I'm paying over £500 for the device, then logic dictates that I have enough disposable income to pay the going rate for apps, particularly when most of the popular apps start at the ridiculously low price of 69p. Many of these are published by independent developers or small software firms, where every sale counts.

And seriously, who is so cheap that they would refuse to pay 69p for whatever game is popular at the moment?

Re:Cost of Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441211)

Because people are not logical.

Re:Cost of Apps (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441283)

I thought these were jailbroken devices. As in, probably not new. Like, the neighbor upgraded, and unloaded his device for cheap. Or, maybe it was stolen. Or, it was found on the side of the road, and repaired. Or, it was bought as a present, and the recipient simply doesn't have any money with which to buy apps.

Just because someone has an iDevice, doesn't mean he paid upwards of a thousand dollars for it.

Re:Cost of Apps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441377)

Jailbreaking has nothing to do with new vs pre-owned devices.

Re:Cost of Apps (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441517)

It does have to do with devices that apple deems obsolete. I jailbroke my iGadget because Apple refused to sell me the next iOS update... so I aquired it in the only way I could. Unfortunately for Apple, that meant not paying them.

Re:Cost of Apps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441723)

Apple doesn't sell iOS andincurred no loss by you jailbreaking your "iGadget". You don't even own an "iGadget", do you.

Re:Cost of Apps (2)

Megane (129182) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441347)

Back about ten years or so, a sort-of acquaintance was a compulsive video downloader. He had CD booklets full of downloaded .AVI Hollywood movies burned to CD-Rs. It was apparent to me that while he downloaded a great quantity of these, he was too busy doing anything else to actually watch more than a few of them. (Well, of course, since most of what comes out of Hollywood IS crap.) So, yeah, there are people who will pirate something, use it once or twice (if that much), then forget it, other than as a badge on a Download Scouts sash.

Re:Cost of Apps (1)

Zemran (3101) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441459)

Not wishing to burst your bubble but I watch a movie while another one is downloading. You do not have to stop your life and watch it download. It just does it while you sleep or work.

Re:Cost of Apps (1)

Servaas (1050156) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441741)

You doing that doesnt mean there are a lot of people who collect stuff just for the idea of collecting them. Like the OP said they download every release but they don't actually watch 10% of it.

Re:Cost of Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441359)

And seriously, who is so cheap that they would refuse to pay 69p for whatever game is popular at the moment?

Seriously? The same "penny wise & pound foolish" people that saddled the PC industry with IDE instead of SCSI for hard drives, and EISA, VESA, and PCI instead of MCA for the PC bus, that's who. The same people that spend $249 on a complete computer system, and think they got the greatest deal in the world until it craps out in a year.

Re:Cost of Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441749)

In their defense, I've bought several $249 complete computer systems that have lasted for 3+ years. Of course I don't expect them to run the latest 10,000 FPS FPS, but that's not what I bought them for.

Re:Cost of Apps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441415)

You've made one fundamental error, assuming people who buy these expensive items actually have money... Most people I know who have these devices are up to their eyeballs in debt. It's a keeping up with the Jones problem that is blown out of proportion by advertising and social standing (pecking order) based on what one "has" rather than who one "is".

I, to this day, still don't know why people think you must have a smart phone in order to be "cool" or "hip" or "successful" or even "good". To me, I look for the opposite, if your life is so dictated by others you must have these devices what does that really say about you. Of course, I'm in the minority and glad to be there :)

Re:Cost of Apps (3, Insightful)

flonker (526111) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441457)

Much of it comes from the frustration of purchasing an app only to find out within the first few seconds of using it that it was a waste of money. (I was thinking specifically about business and productivity apps, but it applies to games and entertainment as well.)

Re:Cost of Apps (2, Interesting)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441495)

I've never understood the desire to pirate apps iOS (or Android/WP) apps. If I'm paying over £500 for the device, then logic dictates that I have enough disposable income to pay the going rate for apps.

One: one of the ways people with disposable income stay that way is by being circumspect about when and where they dispose of said income.

Two: most mobile apps are crap. They either don't work (for the purpose they are desired for) or work poorly, or the purpose turns out to be pointless. Many of those don't have demos available. Piracy provides a try-before-you-buy avenue. Sure, not everyone buys, even if they like the app. But there's still a "legit" reason to want to circumvent the payment system.

Three: Not everything is worth the asking price to everyone. There are apps that a user plans on using extremely rarely for instance. Paying full price for something you might use once a year may not be justified. Sure, you could just do without (that's the legal, strictly honorable way) but if you're in that category, you don't represent a lost sale. Having the pirate version for extreme rare use does nobody harm.

Personally I know I've done #2 a couple times, for $10-$20 utilities. Most of the time the tool doesn't work as I need it to so it gets removed within a couple days. The rest of the time, the creator gets a sale. I may even have one program present Just In Case that I can't justify paying for. If my needs change and it becomes useful to me, I'll direct cash to the creator but for now it's just dead code sitting in a folder, benefiting nobody.

Re:Cost of Apps (-1)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441507)

It's matter of principle, I don't want to pay anything for something I don't really need, or I might end up going down a path I want to avoid. For similar reasons I never buy tobacco. I'll gladfully spend hours finding a way to get it for free than pay even 1p, even though a hour of my time is worth much more than that.

Re:Cost of Apps (1)

Corbets (169101) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441635)

It's matter of principle[...]I'll gladfully spend hours finding a way to get it for free than pay even 1p, even though a hour of my time is worth much more than that.

Don't look now, but I just figured out why you're not rich.

Re:Cost of Apps (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441689)

Actually, I am fairly successful in the business world, relatively speaking.

Re:Cost of Apps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441639)

Some phone apps are expensive... However, I would bet that most of the users were youngsters who's parents buy the phone and pay for the service but don't pay for extras like apps and in-game currency and/or would freak out if they saw such additional things on the bill. The rest are mostly tasters and collectors.

Re:Cost of Apps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441647)

A lot of people get their phone subsidized since they cant afford it outright. So no, just because they have it doesn't mean their pockets are full of money. Plus you have the used/hand-me-down market too.

Re:Cost of Apps (2)

esquizoide (834082) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441803)

You cannot resale an app.

Make It So (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441175)

>"Think of it as being able to walk into a fancy department store, steal anything you want, and never get caught."

a more accurate statement would be, it's like walking into a fancy store, pulling out a portable replicator, then making a duplicate of whatever you want.

Re:Make It So (1)

Zemran (3101) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441467)

Or walk into an art gallery with a camera. You can search the web for your favourite painting and download a copy without anyone blinking.

Re:Make It So (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441711)

Depends. Try that in a area that has 'current' artwork still under copyright and they will run you down. They don't allow photos in those sections.

Thats a pity (0, Flamebait)

ickleberry (864871) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441177)

If I had known this existed I might just have been tempted to get an iPhone. I just don't do paid software.

Re:Thats a pity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441329)

OK so you are willing to fork out cash for software+hardware at Apples extortion rates and contribute to their planet size stockpile of cash.

But you justify by some disjointed moral framework, that it is OK to not pay a small amount of recompense to smaller companies, sometimes individuals, who have made something that you use and value.

Oh "I don't do paid software" - you sir, are an asshat.

Seriously I fucking tip more than this when I buy a coffee, if you are that fucking hard up, don't buy an $800 telephone.

Re:Thats a pity (2)

mlw4428 (1029576) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441357)

As a developer who works on software I'm curious -- why would you not pay for it, but steal it instead? If I've worked long and hard on my application, what exactly gives YOU the right to STEAL MY hard work? I put a lot into the software that I write and if I sell my software (sometimes I just release as open source) than why should you not give me what I ask for it? I'm not even forcing you to use my software.

I don't pay for software, here's why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441727)

I have to admit, I won't pay for software either, but then again, I choose not to use it either so I'm not "stealing" it. The simple fact is that there is way too much free software that does 99% of what I need already and/or I really just DON'T need it and I'd rather spend my money on something else. Now, if a programmer puts in an "unobtrusive" advertisement in the program (e.g., top or bottom bar) I have no problem with this either, I realize everyone has to make money, and if it advertises things I am interested in I will even click those links. However, note that I will also have no loyalty to the program, something better comes along, I am hopping immediately.

To add another scary dimension to this, I have kids, and they all have computers and tablets, but they don't have a CC or will I give them mine, they don't have money, so for them, finding free (or trial or advertising model) software is the NORM to them, and I doubt that attitude will change once they get their first CC or Job either. My guess is that this young generation (those aged 13 now) will consider the idea of paying for software ridiculous and most will continue with the habits they learned as kid, to find a free version that will do the job good enough.... And since every highschool in my area has already implemented a computer programming course I expect by the time those kids hit 18+ they may have enough knowledge to put together their own software for specific needs as well, why pay when you can spend a few days to put something together yourself. Take quality, distribution, protection, and testing out of the question and it is amazing what can come out of a few day hackathon.....
       

Re:Thats a pity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441813)

What if the works was easy? Would that change things?

Re:Thats a pity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441431)

So if software should be free, what shouldn't be free? If we aren't paying people who create software, we should stop paying everyone who does work that requires intelligence but doesn't produce a physical product. I guess we should stop paying managers or businessmen, lawyers, and doctors.

I suspect you "don't do paid software" because software is easy to steal. We should be paying for software, music, movies, and art. Sadly, people in general are greedy and our current system doesn't work.

I don't like the direction things seem to be going, but in the future all intellectual endeavors may need to be funded in a fashion like kickstarter or by large companies. Why build anything if your market is just going to cut your throat and steal it?

Re:Thats a pity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441887)

I guess we should stop paying managers

Everything that's wrong with the world is because of managers.

Alternatives already exist (1)

stepdown (1352479) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441221)

The article suggests Appcake on Cydia is a viable alternative.

This is good news for the jailbreak community... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441271)

Jailbreaking has never been about pirating apps, it's about making your device your own. Many jailbreak devs are likely cheering at the death of Installous as it has been a thorn in the side of the community for quite some time.

Damn! This sucks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441299)

Now those former Installous users that were too smug in their free downloads to join the discussions about software prices will come down and add their crying to the hordes of brats that demand everything be free. All new games must be free to play, no more $60 discs for AAA titles, iPad/iPhone remakes of older, full-sized games can only cost $1 like all the crapware and Angry Birds, MMOs can never have subscription fees, nobody ever pays for MS Office or Photoshop anyway, why Netflix when there's BitTorrent, music should be pay what you think it's worth like Radiohead did, it's not theft therefore nobody is a victim.

Seriously, there's some justification for the above in specific situations, but as an overly broad brush stroke none of the above should ever be the only way of things or even necessarily the most common way of doing things. Some or even many programs can get away with it when they're built properly for those situations, but few of them can be applied across the board and expect to be successful. Some current pricing models do need to go, and those are pretty much exclusively the models that are designed to rip off the customer base in the same way that some free-to-play games are designed to rip off their customers with in-app purchases.

So now what is going to stop iOS developers? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42441337)

From charging whatever they want? Installing more spyware on their apps?

http://www.t3.com/news/angry-birds-knows-where-you-live [t3.com]

Piracy is what got the MIAA to change and improve for the better.

Just saying.

taking vs copying (0)

chapstercni (238462) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441637)

More like, "Think of it as being able to walk into a fancy department store, make a copy of anything you want, while leaving the original."

Centralization (1)

Meneth (872868) | about a year and a half ago | (#42441765)

This shows, once again, the folly of depending on centralized systems to manage the free flow of information. To spell it out: The operators are few, and human, and will therefore behave unpredictably, resulting in situations such as this shutdown.
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