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2013 Will Be a Big Year For Private Spaceflight

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the rocket-and-roll dept.

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An article at Space.com forecasts an important year for private space companies in 2013. SpaceX is working on a new version of its Dragon capsule that is quite different from the current model. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk said that the first iteration looked similar to other space capsules because the SpaceX team was learning as they went. Now, they're drawing on the expertise they've gained to tailor the new capsule to their needs. "Musk described Dragon version 2 as having 'legs that pop out' and added that it uses parachutes and its eight SuperDraco thrusters for a 'propulsive landing.'" The capsule will hold up to seven people, and they hope to win a crew transportation contract for getting NASA astronauts up to the ISS. The bidding for that contract starts in the second half of 2013. Commercial space planes are also set to reach new heights in 2013. XCOR Aerospace will be building its Lynx I rocket plane, and a spokesman said, "we’ll be doing test fights throughout the year from early 2013 and then go into commercial flights." Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo will also undergo its first rocket-powered flight this year.

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Wait. (5, Funny)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42446099)

I thought it was the year of the Linux Desktop. What the hell? We're all going to space instead of installing Ubuntu this year???

Re:Wait. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446173)

Ubuntu has fallen from grace, thus we go to space...

OPEN SOURCE SPACE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447221)

Why not? If enough people pay for space travel, it'll become as cheap as open source one day.

Besides, nerds like to stretch their legs once in awhile, instead of sitting in front of the desktop all day.

Now we finally have someplace really useful to take our mobile tablets and smartphones.

Re:Wait. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446203)

Since Unity was the default window manager and forced onto upgrade versions, nobody except for 3 people will be installing ubuntu this year.

It is important for the nerds here to not have a circle-jerk over private space travel - From both design and commercial passenger perspectives, private space travel is only a hobby for the rich who have nothing else to do, kinda like how Romney ran for president. Some people run for president, some design rockets, and some pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a pop to ride in those rockets. This is reinventing and monetizing the wheel, not anything profound like colonization.

All while your kids are eating ramen noodles for dinner and you're wondering how you're gonna pay for that auto repair and next month's rent.

-- Ethanol-fueled

GOOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446353)

i hope they all get broke doing this as the rest of us are.

Re:Wait. (2)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446395)

It is important for the nerds here to not have a circle-jerk over private space travel

What you ask is impossible. This is Slashdot.

Re:Wait. (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about a year and a half ago | (#42447671)

I don't think any of us are under the impression that we'll be buying tickets for private flights to mars in 2013.

But I'm excited about private spaceflight anyways. The cost of a launch is coming waaaay down. They're working on sending humans to mars, even if I won't be able to afford to be one of them. It won't be long before I'll be able to afford to send up a cubesat as my own pet project. All of that is exciting to me.

I'm sure there are reasons, but I honestly don't understand why people love to hate on private spaceflight. It gets things done.

Re:Wait. (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446479)

the issue is privatized space travel, for now governments can afford to be their clients. this is an important step on the path to colonization.
the biggest breakthrough would be a low power lift system, colossal carbon tube (made in 2008 at Fudan U. in China and Los Alamos in the USA) may be the perfect material for cable

Go (5, Interesting)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446551)

It is important for the nerds here to have a circle-jerk over private space travel - From both design and commercial passenger perspectives, private air travel was also once only a hobby for the rich who have nothing else to do, kinda like how back then Roosevelt ran for president and lost against Woodrow Wilson. Some people run for president, some design flying machines, and some pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a pop to ride in those airplanes. This reinventing and monetizing the wheel has all happened before and it was revolutionary, not nearly as profound as colonization, but it made all far off places accessible to reach from anywhere, thus hastening immigration to said colonies, and also Air Mail Happened!

All while the 1900's era kids were eating newfangled Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiches for dinner and parents were wondering how they were gonna pay for one of Ford's new "affordable" automobiles and next month's rent.

Crazy how only one century ago travel by automobile or air was something only the rich could do... How silly a nay sayer like yourself would seem to us now, but back then some might have foolishly considered such sentiments insightful. Today we're talking about doing the same for space, and you're less excited than Sam-I-am prior to having tried green space eggs and ham.

Wow (2)

alostpacket (1972110) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446923)

Wilson, Roosevelt, the wheel, colonization, Air Mail, PB&Js, Fords, and finally Green Eggs & Ham. Confused I am.

Where the "...walked into a bar..." part?

Boldly Go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447399)

Jerk, shmerk - he's just mocking us for wanting something better. We definitely should not be ashamed of that. Coding is yesterday's "high tech", and space is beckoning more loudly than ever. 25 years ago, Star Trek was still just for nerds, and then it soon became a leading primetime program for everybody to watch.

Let the jocks stay at home playing football. Let us nerds leave the home and go out into space, where we want to be, seeing newer places and things.

Re:Go (1)

BeanThere (28381) | about a year and a half ago | (#42453111)

Humans will be going to space. We'll be travelling to space, we'll be colonizing space, we'll be visiting planets and terraforming them. So way I see it, you can either be part of this future, and be part of something exciting, or you can sit back on earth making "clever" cynical remarks, and get left behind to wallow in the mud of primitivism. I know which one I'll choose.

Re:Wait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446627)

I guess when you have nothing substantial to say, you can still stir up some hate.

Costs Will Go Down (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447341)

What is expensive today will become cheaper tomorrow. What is exclusive today will become more accessible tomorrow.

I like that Musk is in it for more than just the buck$, and wants to really open up the heavens, instead of just trying to keep things exclusive, expensive and high-margin. He's freeing us from the bonds of gravity, and helping us to leave the womb.

If he achieves everything that he's promising, then one day people will talk about him like we talk about Moses.

Moses!? wtf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42451439)

Except Musk is a real person.

And wht do you mean by 'we'?

We're not all jewish you know.

Re:Wait. (2)

Megane (129182) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446293)

Maybe it'll be the year of Linux Powered Spaceflight instead!

Re:Wait. (2)

Nutria (679911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42447441)

At least some of the Falcon & Dragon flight control computers "are programmed in C++ and run the Linux OS".

Re:Wait. (2)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446333)

I see the inevitable humor of saying year X is the the year of Y. But I suspect there are similarities between the year of Linux on the Desktop and the year of Private Flight to Space. It either won't happen or it would just happen because someone we know has just won a raffle ticket to the ISS and beyond. For that matter was there ever a year of Linux on the Server or in the Pocket? I'm still hedging my bets on 2013 being the year of 3D Printing on Desktop.

Re:Wait. (1)

WrecklessSandwich (1000139) | about a year and a half ago | (#42447555)

I'm still hedging my bets on 2013 being the year of 3D Printing on Desktop.

Don't hold your breath. It's a great tool for rapid prototyping for engineers and small-run craft businesses, but that's about it for now. It's an amazing technology, but sadly overhyped given the price of a good printer (by "good" I mean "anything nicer than a reprap or older Makerbot -- something like a Replicator 2 as a baseline). Check back in 2015-2016 or so when things like the Replicator 2 and Form 1 are showing their age and coming down in price.

Re:Wait. (1)

WrecklessSandwich (1000139) | about a year and a half ago | (#42447563)

Oh no, I appear to have a dangling quotation mark. I'm so sorry.

Re:Wait. (4, Interesting)

PeterBrett (780946) | about a year and a half ago | (#42449639)

Some guys down the corridor from me are literally using a Makerbot to fabricate flight components for prototype satellite plasma thrusters.

No, no, you're mistaken. (5, Funny)

DavidClarkeHR (2769805) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446487)

I thought it was the year of the Linux Desktop. What the hell? We're all going to space instead of installing Ubuntu this year???

Sorry, Year of the linux desktop was 2003-2007, and 2009. 2010, 2012-2014 are designated as the year of the private spaceflight.

2008 was year of the end of going to war all the time in the USA and 2011 was year of waiting for Duke Nukem Forever and then trying to forget it ever existed.

Re:Wait. (1)

drankr (2796221) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446713)

No, seriously: what do you think will power those flights software-wise?

Re:Wait. (1)

CryptoJones (565561) | about a year and a half ago | (#42447781)

Acording to this; http://www.spacex.com/downloads/dragonlab-datasheet.pdf [spacex.com] VxWorks

Re:Wait. (3, Informative)

PeterBrett (780946) | about a year and a half ago | (#42449645)

That's out of date. Dragon's C&C software has been Linux (not even RT-Linux) since the first flight that docked with the space station.

Re:Wait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42449889)

Some sort of assembly language compiler will. Remember all those languages depended on a compiler, to translate from your venacular to the language of the machine. And you are going to need faster input times, and closer to real time monitoring, Getting killed by the lack of input or the lack of output, or the delay of instruction getting to the actuator in time is bad TV. But bad TV is real life.

Re:Wait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446947)

It is the year of the linux desktop, where you spend hours/days trying to get a desktop to work the way you expect it to! ... Wait that sounds like what I'd do with windows 8 and metro nowadays as well... well blimey, it is the year of the linux desktop!

Re:Wait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42448861)

It is the year of the Linux Desktop, so we are free to explore space.

Re:Wait. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42450059)

What do you think the onboard computers in those rockets, as well as the computers at Mission Control, will be running? I seriously doubt it will be Windows 8.

And Linux on the desktop (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446287)

These are like Jesus. Always coming and never here.

Re:And Linux on the desktop (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42448787)

Sounds like my ex-boyfriend, always coming but never here... I never compared him to Jesus, though...

You're british right? Dig this... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42449313)

APK = Dalek, you & all /. trolls = Cybermen - Quoting Dr. Who episode "Doomsday" with video (lol):

"Open Visual Link" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysvNOmDMVvk [youtube.com]

Especially see position 2.50 on the YouTube player control...

---

That says it all about you webmistressrachel + other trolls like you via a "video analogy"... Especially vs. myself and it's from the BBC in Great Britain no less (just for YOU, 'white hat troll')... enjoy!

(ROTFLMAO!)

* Especially since you're "the inferior species known as cybermen" (trolls actually).

APK

P.S.=> Quoting the Daleks from said video, as to what applies in the links below, regarding YOU & all trolls, vs. myself? Ok:

"You are superior in only 1 respect - YOU ARE BETTER AT DYING", ala:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42444775 [slashdot.org]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42446777 [slashdot.org]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42447057 [slashdot.org]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42447777 [slashdot.org] (with its addendum edit beneath it)

And of course, from the same video:

"WE WOULD DESTROY THE CYBERMEN (trolls & Pro-*NIX people) WITH ONLY 1 DALEK" (lol, me)

As my replies in the links above, to the troll webmistressrachel, clearly illustrates, point-by-point, in her COMPLETELY 'failing' challenges put to her vs. her words/claims!

AND

For her literally ADMITTING she trolls me here on this site (for YEARS now) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42438977 [slashdot.org] )

... apk

Re:You're british right? Dig this... apk (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42454459)

Hey, come on! I trolled you yonks ago with what I thought at the time to be righteous reasons, and haven't trolled you for ages (I seriously was just pointing out bad form - whilst admitting I'm not perfect.)

"EXTERMINATE" (lol, from the same video)... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42469857)

@ position 2:07 onwards (it's YOU, & tomhudson/barbara,not barbie, "going down") -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysvNOmDMVvk [youtube.com]

* LMAO!

APK

P.S.=> Gotta LOVE Dr. Who...

... apk

Re:"EXTERMINATE" (lol, from the same video)... apk (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42470239)

OK, there's one thing we both definitely agree on. :-)

Good, & we should... why? Well, because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42470837)

"THIS IS NOT WAR - THIS IS PEST CONTROL!" - the title of that video!

(As well as my fav. line by a DALEK in Dr. Who, ever... & I've been a fan since 1981!)

* :)

APK

P.S.=> Look: As long as you quit the ac trolling of me by ac posts about custom hosts files? We're all good - why??

Well... mainly since You're not NEARLY the freak "dual-identity" (lol) TomHudson/Barbara, not Barbie was is why!

... apk

Re:Good, & we should... why? Well, because... (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42472223)

I can tell you now that despite making that dreadfully meaningless threat to do so, I have never AC trolled you about HOSTs. I can also honestly say that I've never downmodded you.

I don't have sock-puppet accounts, and I am not Barbie Hudson. I was "around" when she was for a few weeks because I stumbled on a flame war that encompassed issues that are important to me (respect, gender politics, and computing) and was "dangling my toes" into the "white-hat trolling" role, here and nowhere else.

However, I may argue with you about HOSTs files and *NIX, and even as to whether you Microsofties are more like Borg / Cybermen than I, lol... but I will do, as I always have done, under my own single Slashdot username, this one.

Hard to believe ANYTHING here, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42472525)

I'll take you @ your word. I give everyone that much up front @ least, & take them @ their word on face value!

See- I've heard others say you are tomhudson/Barbara, not Barbie is all -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2290782&cid=36644586 [slashdot.org]

(Believe you me, on my SOUL I swear this much - it wasn't me saying it either).

Since cyclops there got caught using 2 accounts, I just figured you were yet another is all, after seeing that post

(Plus, the ac in the link called me a moron for "not knowing" that, too).

In the end?

I don't want to fight, or to pursue enemies to make them stop (it's not like a streetfight with bullies where a good punch to the nose, broken teeth or a busted jaw makes them think twice & stop/never do it again is why).

HOWEVER - trolls online? They feel no pain!

Especially ac trolls!

Which, of course, is WHY the 'naysayer' ac trolls do that to me via AC... I'm not stupid!

I.E.-> I've burned them on hosts before, & they don't DARE face me with their "registered 'luser'" account & I know it... (anyone with any SENSE would!) but their 'geek angst' gets the best of them, & then "the devil gets in them" if you know what I mean by that.

However - I don't take crap when I KNOW I am right, & can prove it, either... nobody should.

See - I've had 'enemies' here (and in real life too - even with my BEST FRIENDS now, my neighbor who accused ME of stealing his 3 wheeler... man, that would have been DUMB! I live next to him, you know? We almost killed each other 1 night, but in the end?? The police found it, he was MAN ENOUGH to apologize to me... I instantly respected him for it & forgave him... best friends I have for years now was the result... no joke/no lie!).

Same here on /. in a way too!

E.G.-> With Hairyfeet & recently, Crutchy (who lists you as a friend) whom I would NOW consider friends actually - after "tooth & nail' fights...

Now - Stupid as this may seem since you're allegedly a girl? Guys CAN be that way!

We punch one another out, but sometimes, in the end? You respect the opponent, learn who they REALLY are, & end up making pals with 'em!

Stupid?

Yes - That's men @ times (lol, & this one I KNOW you're going to have a field-day with, lol)...

In any event - you be nice? I will be as nice or moreso...

You *think* I *LIKE* being 'mean', to anyone? NO, by no means... Not even animals (especially to them actually), but sometimes it teaches lessons is all.

Dumb male thinking?

Yes, probably, but... all I know is, USUALLY?? It works when all else fails.

APK

P.S.=> On the hosts file trolling?

Honestly??

In a way, the fools doing it make me look good, because I outthink them EVERY SINGLE TIME, & put up proofs from respectable sources, their /. peers (nearly 80 so far) that do well using them, & when I ask 'naysayers' to disprove my points???

Not a single one has.

Hosts files've got 10 advantages over AdBlock (especially now since Adblock doesn't block all ads anymore by default, & it's not multiplatform + browser addons SLOW DOWN browsers, especially FireFox if you stack them up too much especially. Same with Ghostery too, since it's also owned by advertizers for Pete's sake, talk about "foxes guarding the henhouse" + it tracks you via GhostRank by default),

Lastly, Hosts Files actually SUPPLEMENT + OVERCOME 'shortcomings' that DNS servers have too.

There's more, but with all that? Hey - I pretty much CAN'T LOSE is all... & when they troll me, for whatever reasons? I just toss all that & more @ 'em & they run (downmodding my post of course, lol, the 'last resort' of trolls & do illogical off-topic ad hominem attacks, + other reprehensible things - but they never disprove my points, which ARE solid as steel!)...

So, "that all said & aside", well - the ac troll stalker on host files actually MAKES ME LOOK GOOD in the end (but it doesn't mean I like it either though)...

... apk

Re:Hard to believe ANYTHING here, but... (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42472651)

I still don't know what the real origin of all this "cyclops" stuff and animosity about Barbara Hudson is, and I'm not sure why she is so horrible and stubborn with you, either. I arrived as tongue-in-cheek amateur troll and attempted to play my normal role of peacemaker; but with colourful language and idioms to try to draw others in to help resolve the feud. It backfired.

As for HOSTs, give it, up you can't burn anyone.

Adblock:
Web Page Parser -->URL Analyzer -->Plugins ||| BLOCK

HOSTs:
Web Page Parser -->URL Analyzer -->Plugins --> DNS Lookup --> Process HOSTS file (sometimes in RAM) -->Timeout Period for Local Webserver (10-30secs) ||| BLOCK = Slower.

Hope you can handle that - not personal. And not a troll. To be honest if you're done your Google-sleuthing you'll see I've matured and become even more "white hat" IRL then ever. I'm simply not the character you were thinking I was.

What happens FIRST? Hosts (you're wrong) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42474269)

"As for HOSTs, give it, up you can't burn anyone." - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Friday January 04, @01:51AM (#42472651)

Oh, really? Ok - let's let MICROSOFT DOCUMENTATION do the talking, vs. your b.s.:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/172218 [microsoft.com]

Host name resolution generally uses the following sequence:

---

The client checks to see if the name queried is its own.

The client then searches a local Hosts file, a list of IP address and names stored on the local computer.

Domain Name System (DNS) servers are queried.

---

You "web-centric" people INCORRECTLY ASSUME the order begins in the webbrowser, as to what happens when & in what order, every single time...

* The IP stack does the work on what is blocked (or hardcoded as a favorite to avoid REMOTE DNS SERVER LOOKUPS), and the IP stack does it LONG BEFORE ANY BROWSER OPERATES, via hosts files content...

---

"Adblock:
Web Page Parser -->URL Analyzer -->Plugins ||| BLOCK

HOSTs:
Web Page Parser -->URL Analyzer -->Plugins --> DNS Lookup --> Process HOSTS file (sometimes in RAM) -->Timeout Period for Local Webserver (10-30secs) ||| BLOCK = Slower."
" - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Friday January 04, @01:51AM (#42472651)

VERY WRONG - Especially on the order for HOSTS, you fool! You list webbrowser work, url analyzer, plugins, & DNS (biggest fuckup there) FIRST!

(WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!)

Man - you 'web goofs', no wonder most of you suck @ programming & had to gravitate to programming webbrowsers... lol!

See the above!

Argue with Microsoft's documentation (and it's the same on ANY OS that uses a BSD based IP stack - most, if not ALL, do!).

---

* Lastly, by-the-by? Hosts are ALWAYS IN RAM once the IP stack FULLY kicks on!

E.G.-> The IP stack loads them either @ OS startup (Windows 9x/NT 3.5x-2000), OR upon 1st request to the internet (WinXP onwards). The DNS clientside cache can hold it (good with smaller hosts files), OR, the local kernelmode diskcaching subsystem does (like how I do it since i use a large hosts file).

YOU FAIL!

APK

P.S.=> I.E.-> A BROWSER CAN'T DO A DAMNED THING UNTIL A HOSTNAME/DOMAIN NAME IS RESOLVED TO AN IP ADDRESS... & what does that 1st? The IP stack, & Hosts files do!

Again - See above... you FAIL!

... apk

Additionally: 10 things hosts do adblock can't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42474579)

1.) Blocking rogue DNS servers malware makers use

2.) Blocking known sites/servers that serve up malware... like known sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malicious scripts

3.) Speeding up your FAVORITE SITES that hosts can speed up via hardcoded line item entries properly resolved by a reverse DNS ping

4.) AdBlock works on Mozilla products (browser & email), hosts work on ANY webbound app.

5.) AdBlock can't protect external to FireFox email programs, hosts can (think OUTLOOK, Eudora, & others)

6.) AdBlock can't help you blow past DNSBL's (DNS block lists)

7.) AdBlock can't help you avoid DNS request logs (hosts can via hardcoded favorites)

8.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. TRACKERS (hosts can)

9.) AdBlock can't protect you vs. DOWNED or "DNS-poisoned" redirected DNS servers (hosts can by hardcodes)

10.) Hosts are EASIER to manage, they're just a text file (adblock means you had BEST know your javascript, perl, & python (iirc as to what languages are used to make it from source)).

& more...

---

* Plus, by default, as I said to you before?

ADBLOCK DOESN'T BLOCK ALL ADS ANYMORE, & addons SLOW DOWN WEBBROWSERS - stack up a few in FireFox, see what happens... it slows down!

---

Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option

http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/12/12/2213233/adblock-plus-to-offer-acceptable-ads-option [slashdot.org]

---

(Just the way it is, & message passing overheads, even when they are "in process" slow it up, massively...)

Ghostery is the same too - Evidon, an advertiser, OWNS IT (talk about "Foxes guarding a henhouse", you'd have to a REAL 'cluck' to use it now) & it TRACKS YOU, by default, via GhostRank!

ADDITIONAL FACT: Browser addons SLOW UP WEBBROWSERS, in fact? Try this - load a few into FireFox, see what happens... lol! Slowdowns is what!

APK

P.S.=> Man - Between my last post & Microsoft documenation there -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3351357&cid=42474269 [slashdot.org] - which is TRUTH on ANY OS THAT USES A BSD BASED IP STACK (most all, if not ALL, do by the way, even MS)?

You made a HUGE BLUNDER!

Especially YOU saying DNS host-domain name resolution occurs before hosts files lookups do (lol) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3351357&cid=42474269 [slashdot.org] ?

YOU FAIL!

God was wise, making 'coders' like YOU, program webbrowsers instead of Operating Systems...

I.E.-> You'd have designed the SLOWEST ONES IN EXISTENCE (lol), since you ERRONEOUSLY *think* webbrowsers are "the center of the universe"... they cannot do a DAMNED THING out to the web, without the IP stack!

( & there is NO QUESTION that the IP stack does the work before ANYTHING ELSE DOES - it HAS TO!)

It is also done in kernelmode/ring 0/rpl 0 (fastest there is), vs. usermode/ring 3/rpl 3!!!

Mind you - which is where browsers & their addons, another layer of slowup per the test I told you to try above no less, OPERATE FROM & it's FAR slower!

(Which far, Far, FAR SLOWER mode of operation in usermode too vs. kernelmode IP stack work), as to resolving host-domain names to IP addresses which HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE A BROWSER CAN EVEN BEGIN TO DO ITS JOB! )

I.E.-> IP ADDRESS RESOLUTION of host-domain names IS DONE WAY PRIOR TO WEBBROWSER OPERATION!

Again - that's done when the IP stack 'kicks on' @ OS startup!

(Tcpip.sys load - which loads the hosts file as well, rignt into RAM for fastest possible access, mapping it into memory like ANY FILE, either into the DNS cache structure, or the local kernelmode diskcaching subsystem operating again, in kernelmode/ring 0/rpl 0 - which caches data of any kind, even hosts file data )...

... apk

Going to make this SIMPLE for you (tests) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42475115)

Any webbound app, even the OS itself, needs the IP stack for webaccess - just to know where to go via hostname/domainname resolution!

Plus, THE IP STACK's ALREADY LOADED @ OS STARTUP too (which means hosts have loaded already & blocked out bad sites in it too).

Again/once more - BROWSERS or any client app, INCLUDING THE OS USERMODE PARTS in usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 CANNOT DO A DAMNED THING WITHOUT THE IP STACK!

See here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/172218 [microsoft.com]

(DNS also gets queried AFTER hosts - you messed that up, royally... & it holds true for ANY OS that uses a BSD based IP stack... most all, if not ALL, do!)

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ALL, Per my last post(s)!

Which you blundered BADLY on as to hostname/domainname resolution to IP address order, no less) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3351357&cid=42474269 [slashdot.org]

By YOU saying DNS operates BEFORE hosts files do... WRONG!

(wrong, Wrong, WRONG - & MS own documentation proved it, & yes - it holds true on ANY OS that uses a BSD based IP stack - most all, if not ALL, do (because it's proven & works and is free to use for anyone).

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ADDITIONALLY:

Not only that above?

Additionally since hosts (via tcpip.sys, a driver) load first & know what is blocked out already?

THUS:

It makes ADBLOCK REDUNDANT (& adblock doesn't block all ads anymore by default either)...

THUS - Adblock's also become a WASTE of resources too!

Especially since it doesn't block all ads out anymore by default!

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* I used to recommend it in fact in security guides I've done online (that did EXTREMELY well in both RATINGS & RESULTS for end users of them)!

I recommended adblock, as added "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth" but not anymore because of the above (it doesn't block ALL ads out anymore by default) - not anymore though, because of the above.

APK

P.S.=> So, as you can see? BROWSERS & EVEN THE OS ITSELF, CAN'T DO A DAMNED THING until they know where to go!

And?

The SECOND you make a webbound request? The IP Stack works FIRST & the OS does this already @ startup, test it yourself... see below!

Again - the IP stack's already @ work @ OS startup... tcpip.sys loads first! & that means hosts do also!

(Mind you also - The IP Stack also does the socketstreaming for webpage data download too as well)

The IP stack, once a request from a client occurs (which is the OS itself mind you), already KNOWS, via the hosts file, which I proved works before DNS does (big blunder on YOUR part there), and before usermode apps do!

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** Please - DO test it in Windows as I show you how to do, below, & it is a COMPLETELY VALID easy to do test...!

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Heck, or even Linux (though I don't know if it has an indicator for this as Windows does that you can see easily in GUI form)!

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TEST #1:

In Windows - per NETWORKING PROPERTIES in Control Panel, make the network connections trayicon resident & visible @ OS startup & logon to Windows!

Don't even OPEN a browser yet... watch the IP stack kick on (FIRST)

Thus, proof, & proof that the IP stack has already begun its job to pass data to the usermode apps! Guess what?

THAT ALSO MEANS THE HOSTS FILE HAS ALREADY BEGUN TO DO ITS JOB AS WELL!

(Which IS a far slower ring of privelege & access vs. tcpip.sys, a driver)

Right from far, Far, FAR faster kernelmode/ring 0/rpl 0, to usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 apps!

(Especially ones that get slowed up more, & put a few addons into FireFox, it slows down a LOT, & adblock? It's a browser addon)

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TEST #2:

Do this too - Load up FireFox with a few addons... does it go faster? HELL NO!

This? Man - it's a KNOWN ISSUE with browser addons! Especially in FireFox!

All due to messagepassing overheads, even when done "in process" (meaning loaded in same memory address space like libs do, vs. exe's).

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You can't win/YOU FAIL!

You're thinking = "non-sequitur"!

That is that - just the way it is, & like most "WebMonkeys"? YOU seem to *think* the browser does the job without the IP stack & is "the center of the universe"...

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Clue/NewsFlash/NEW News:

Browers, & even the OS, NEED the IP stack to determine where to go FIRST, via host-domain name resolution -

Once the OS kicks on?

Hosts & the IP stack, via tcpip.sys are already @ work, loading the hosts file into RAM like any file data is, mapped to ram for fastest possible access, which already blocks out what you told it to - far before webbrowsers do even...

... apk

Lastly - tomhudson question answered (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42475367)

"I still don't know what the real origin of all this "cyclops" stuff and animosity about Barbara Hudson is" - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Friday January 04, @01:51AM (#42472651)

Tomhudson (alias Barbara, not Barbie) libeled me, 1st -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35192078 [slashdot.org]

Saying "I had no professional industry experience" (lol, he/she *claims" to have "industry experience" @ SIEMENS? lmao - I claim then that SHE IS THE REASON SIEMENS SCADA IS SO EXPLOITED then!)

In other posts?

She also said "I live with my 'mommy'" etc./et al type illogical off topic ad hominem attacks!

(To wit - I haven't lived @ home other than temporarily, when between jobs circa 1994-1995 during schooling, or when I contracted all over this nation coding or networking, before I saved $ to buy a home (and more), & own my own home fully PAID off with rental properties as well, since, oh... 1988-2008 or so on timeframes involved)

& more...

* Would you like a LARGE LIST of all the times I corrected him/her on TECHNICAL BLUNDERS IN COMPUTING as well?

I can produce them in seconds!

Just like the above!

Yes - I kept a list, I know trolls, so I 'prepped' in advance - LONG in advance, and was ADVISED TO DO SO, by law enforcement & other sources, vs. such libeling of myself online... you defend yourself? I do it BETTER THAN ANYONE & have to since I use my REAL NAME out here (the "road less travelled" ala ROBERT FROST, but it's worked out pretty well so far!).

(As the roman general said? "IF YOU WANT PEACE? PREPARE FOR WAR!", & lady? I never, EVER, lose!)

APK

P.S.=> That "satisfy your curiousity"? It's proof, documented verifiable UNDENIABLE proof no less, quoting the scumbag multiple account using troll herself/himself, libeling me no less...

... apk

"You would destroy the cybermen w/ 4 daleks?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42475597)

LOL, yes... twice (per this link since we both like Dr. Who -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysvNOmDMVvk [youtube.com] ):

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"You are superior in only 1 respect - YOU ARE BETTER AT DYING", ala:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42444775 [slashdot.org]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42446777 [slashdot.org]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42447057 [slashdot.org]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42447777 [slashdot.org] (with its addendum edit beneath it regarding tenebrousedge's FAIL in his bogus rigged 'test')

WHERE YOU FAILED TO MEET 4 CHALLENGES I PUT TO YOU! Every single time, no less!

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And of course, from the same video:

"WE WOULD DESTROY THE CYBERMEN (trolls & Pro-*NIX people) WITH ONLY 1 DALEK" (lol, me)

As my replies in the links above, to the troll webmistressrachel, clearly illustrates, point-by-point, in her COMPLETELY 'failing' challenges put to her vs. her words/claims!

AND

For her literally ADMITTING she trolls me here on this site (for YEARS now) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42438977 [slashdot.org]

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TOTAL * "MEGA FAIL" on your end & on ALL FRONTS NOTED, with documented proofs...

(Especially on how & WHEN the IP stack works, see below, because it ALL begins in ring 0/rpl 0/kernelmode (tcpip.sys) NOT usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 in clientside apps & even the OS shell too!)

Long before & faster than, browsers... that is FOR SURE, & it makes browser addons REDUNDANT (adBlock)!

Browser addons also SLOW DOWN what is already slower than a driver in tcpip.sys too, a fact, try stacking addons into FireFox, you'll see... a KNOWN issue, even in 'in process' addons loads (like libs/dlls, vs. exe's out of process) due to messagepassing overheads.

All, since hosts & the IP stack block out what's in hosts, FIRST operating in kernelmode via tcpip.sys, a driver!

(Yes - AND, you blew it on DNS order too vs. MS' documentations, & that holds true on ANY OS using a BSD based IP stack - most all, if not ALL, do - since it's proven, free, & works!).

APK

P.S.=> Also, of course these "4 daleks" too (since you like Dr. Who as I do)? The "next 4 daleks", again (but trolls like you are HARD TO KILL, lol, but you did yourself in 2x):

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4 more 'daleks' regarding the IP stack loading FAR before anything in usermode does, including the browser & other rpl 3/ring 3/usermode apps do once you logon:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3351357&cid=42474269 [slashdot.org]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3351357&cid=42474579 [slashdot.org]

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3351357&cid=42475115 [slashdot.org]

And, on your question about "dual-identity" MULTIPLE ACCOUNT USING TROLL that left /. after I exposed him/her in doing THAT b.s.:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3351357&cid=42475367 [slashdot.org]

Where he/she began libeling me publicly here... your admitting you STALK & TROLL me too?

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ALL THAT - Along, with others stating you are tomhudson/barbara, not barbie as well -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2290782&cid=36644586 [slashdot.org]

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(So - Was I supposed to BELIEVE you are not he/she? Especially since she used multiple registered accounts, as trolls do & even BRUCE PERENS knows about? Hey, listen - you're an AMATEUR @ It!)

HBGary & the Chinese Water Army were 'busted' in it also using TONS of multiple guises online...

(YOU, & your "kind" online? Your deceits do you in, every single time!)

HELL - Others even SAID you are tomhudson/Barbara, not Barbie -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2290782&cid=36644586 [slashdot.org]

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TROLL - you FAILED... hugely, & on ALL fronts! See above links, proofs right in them...

"EXTERMINATE" - per the DALEKS in the same video for our "video analogy" here, you cybermen trolls, vs. me, the DALEK (lol, supreme dalek no less)... since we BOTH dig Dr. Who? It fits, & I couldn't think of a better analogy here...

... apk

Musk has been active in the media lately (2)

amightywind (691887) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446511)

Anyone ever find out why the Falcon 9 left a trail of big parts on the way up to the station last launch? Time is wasting for reforming NASA while we watch this carnival act.

bashing vs progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447257)

Another Musk-basher? Nobody's perfect, and certainly SpaceX is entitled to make a few mistakes, just like anybody else.
There'll be plenty of chances for them to improve.

Furthermore, their plan for reusable rockets really helps to differentiate them in the market, and could eventually put them way ahead on price. I'm absolutely delighted at how aggressive and rapid their progress has been on this front. If they come out with a reusable F9R within 5 years, I'll be thrilled. What amazing progress for a company hardly anybody heard of 5 years ago.

Re:bashing vs progress (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447767)

Another Musk-basher?

Harsh.
Though some people might call you another Musk bitch?

Ah ... No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446855)

The 'Private' space companies do NOT wield formidable and fanatical armies to slaughter and commit acts of genocide on their opponents at any and ALL COSTS ... yet.

"space flight" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447169)

That's a loaded term, especially for uncritical gee-whiz people who think sci-fi is real. But I guess "the year of the upper atmosphere stunt" doesn't roll of the tongue quite same way.

2013 Will Be a Big Year For Private Spaceflight (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447227)

Well DUH?
Given Elon Musk got his draft dodging ass kicked by the big boys in the business in 2012, he's got no where to go but up.
You have to love the ass backwards hype that somehow dead weight "legs" and extra propellant are suppose to be some kind of improvement.

We American taxpayers really need to step up with more funding for this two times (Tesla and SpaceX) South African Loser.

Go Big or Go Home (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447307)

Legs aren't nearly as much dead weight as wings are. Furthermore, even winged vehicles have legs in the form of landing gear. SpaceX is just being efficient and going by the numbers.

Hell, if Musk had been born 30 years earlier, we'd all be on Mars by now.

No comments on the spacecraft? (2, Interesting)

mykepredko (40154) | about a year and a half ago | (#42447701)

Disappointing because Elon Musk is doing more to make spaceflight exciting than probably anybody since the 1960s by being up front and centre about what he is doing. The Dragon 2 sounds quite interesting and I'm looking forward to seeing the evolving concept (especially in light of the experiments that SpaceX have been publicizing).

The Boeing entry, even though it is similar to SpaceX's just seems to be "corporate".

XCOR seems to be an (interesting) contender for sub-orbital while Scaled Composites & SS2 have kind of dropped off the radar and has been eclipsed by SpaceX showing that individuals can actually make it into space for real.

Nice to see progress and some renewed promise for space!

myke

Re:No comments on the spacecraft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447751)

How is it exciting to go to the same empty place as before? There's a reason even the government stopped caring... It just makes no sense whatsoever. What is the "promise" of space, exactly? Is it like a religion? Even though anyone with eyes can see space is an endless deadly vacuum, the "true believers" see chocolate cake and bunnies everywhere?

Re:No comments on the spacecraft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447903)

How is it exciting to go to the same empty place as before? There's a reason even the government stopped caring... It just makes no sense whatsoever. What is the "promise" of space, exactly? Is it like a religion? Even though anyone with eyes can see space is an endless deadly vacuum, the "true believers" see chocolate cake and bunnies everywhere?

even if it is chocolate cake and bunnies, why shouldn't we send robots? What's the point of "spam in a can"...

Re:No comments on the spacecraft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42447937)

Robots? As in a camera with a computer on a tiny rocket? Sure. Great. But when you get the pseudo-religious whackjobs with their manifest destiny crap and asteroid of death fear, no.

Re:No comments on the spacecraft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42448149)

How is it exciting to go to the same empty place as before?

Good marketing can make anything exciting.

What is the "promise" of space, exactly? Is it like a religion?

From whose point of view? From the government's, sending a payload to space and back equals being able to nuke any place on Earth. There's also satellites.
I think, although I don't know for sure, people feel like an astronaut's achievement is their own even if they never worked in the space industry (hence why so many people somehow manage to care about sending humans up but don't give a shit about machines even though the latter did much more for space exploration than the former). So in a way it's similar to religion.

Re:No comments on the trolling? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42448209)

What was the point of becoming seafaring, and going to the same wet place as before?

Well, the obvious answer is that there were other interesting places on the other side of that "wet place" called the ocean.
Likewise, there are other interesting places on the other side of that "empty space" you complain about.

People want to go see those places and possibly even settle there, and they don't need your permission for it.
If you don't like those places, you're free to go back under the bridge, troll.

Re:No comments on the trolling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42449199)

"wet" is already infinitely better than a vacuum, no? And anyone could just walk to the beach, can you walk to your precious vacuum? "Settle" there? You haven't given this more than three seconds thought in your entire life. If you did, you'd see how utterly impossible that is.

Re:No comments on the spacecraft? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#42451043)

the promise is more space and stuff that's in it.

sure, going on a cruise on the high seas makes little sense but bringing home some tea or staying on the islands as a tax dodge has always bee pretty worthwhile.

Re:No comments on the spacecraft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42448903)

It is too us-centric and too boring for Europeans.

Captive Audience (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42448023)

I imagine in a Space-X capsule you have to constantly decline Bill Me Later.

2013 Will Be a Big Year For Private Spaceflight (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42451893)

2014 Will Be a Big Year For Private Spaceflight bankruptcies.

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