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2012 Set Record For Most Expensive Gas In US

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the europeans-still-wonder-what-we're-whining-about dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "According to data from the American Automobile Association, the average price for a gallon of gas in the U.S. was higher in 2012 than in any year before it. Nationwide, gas averaged $3.60/gallon, up from $3.51/gallon in 2011. 'The states with the most expensive annual averages for 2012 included Hawaii ($4.31), Alaska ($4.09), California ($4.03), New York ($3.90) and Connecticut ($3.90). The states with the least-expensive annual averages included South Carolina ($3.35), Missouri ($3.38), Mississippi ($3.39), Tennessee ($3.40) and Oklahoma ($3.41). The highest daily statewide average of the year was $4.67 in Calif. on Oct. 9, while the lowest daily statewide average was $2.91 a gallon in South Carolina on July 3.' Bloomberg reports that fuel consumption is down 3.6% compared to last year, while U.S. oil production reached almost 7 million barrels a day recently, a level that hasn't been reached since 1993. AAA predicts gas prices will be cheaper in 2013."

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first post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445529)

because I am elite!

Price (4, Interesting)

zubieta (2653061) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445565)

Still cheaper than my country (Colombia) We extract oil in our land, and yet we have quite high prices. On average ~4.65 US for low octane fuel (81 ~ 84!!!) and the high octane fuel (which is really a joke by international standards) is ~5.50 US for 87~90 in octane scale

Re:Price (5, Informative)

zubieta (2653061) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445637)

Did some research, and as 2011, Colombia ranked 4th in price of gas (from most to least) in the whole American continent. USA ranked 15th, and Venezuela ranks last. Curiously, Venezuela is a country that is our immediate neighbor, and their price/gallon is under a dollar. We extract, they extract, but the difference is that their government has seized the properties of many international oil companies, kicking them out of the country, I think that near 2007~2008 they seized ExxonMobil assets and kicked them out, making their refineries state-controlled, which is really awful.

Re:Price (2)

alexandre_ganso (1227152) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445881)

Venezuela pays for their own fuel, in order to keep people happy. Everybody in their declining oil industry knows that - and everybody else, as it's pretty obvious. One of the promises of Chavez' government before it's first election was to bring the price to a level where companies would be at least even. After he rose to power, he stopped talking about it, as it would mean the end of his popularity.

Re:Price (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446305)

Venezuela is quickly going to pay BIG for their cheap gas. Not only they are not investing in oil exploration, they are subsidizing burning of their resources for *nothing*. Currently Venezuela is riding on investments made before nationalizations. And they have also used oil (futures) as currency, pre-selling future oil to China for current money. And unlike Exxon, you can't really say Fuck You to China.

Columbia has had major problems with sabotage of their infrastructure. People "steal" gas by making holes in gas pipelines causing major loses (leaks), explosions, etc. Fix that and security problem, and gas prices will get cheaper.

Anyway, subsidizing gas prices is something you DO NOT EVER want to do. It may get you some votes from ignorant population, but it will cause a lot of hurt. See Mexico as an example.

Re:Price (0, Troll)

xaxa (988988) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446413)

I think that near 2007~2008 they seized ExxonMobil assets and kicked them out, making their refineries state-controlled, which is really awful.

Why is that so bad? Far better to take the profit for the country than simply give it to a foreign company.

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445665)

maybe if you lowered the price of cocaine

Re:Price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446039)

There is a world wide price comparison table here.
http://www.kshitij.com/research/petrol.shtml
ranging from 0.12 (Saudi Arabia) to 2.62 (Norway)

Re:Price (2)

NFN_NLN (633283) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446133)

I had to do a dollar/gallon conversion but in Canada we pay north of $4.24/gallon.

We extract our own oil (Canada) ship it to the US and they ship back gasoline, but you think they would cut us a deal!

Re:Price (3, Interesting)

mjwx (966435) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446145)

Still cheaper than my country (Colombia) We extract oil in our land, and yet we have quite high prices. On average ~4.65 US for low octane fuel (81 ~ 84!!!) and the high octane fuel (which is really a joke by international standards) is ~5.50 US for 87~90 in octane scale

Do you mean RON (Research Octane Number) or AKI (Anti-Knock Index)... Because most cars are designed to run on 91 RON. Most performance cars run 95 RON.

RON is used in most of the world to grade fuel with RON 91 being standard, RON 95 is premium and RON 98 is super (RON 94 and RON 100 are used by some countries). AKI is used in North America.

Re:Price (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446215)

It should be even higher. Tax it like Europe ... $2 or $3 /gallon

queue the whining (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445579)

from europeans.........

PEAK OIL! (-1, Troll)

CajunArson (465943) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445585)

The consumption figures can't go down because, as is posted constantly on Slashdot, capitalism is a lie and supply and demand are evil conspiracies created by corporations to repress the sheeple.

The U.S. couldn't possibly produce more oil since everybody knows that peak oil happened in the 70's and there is no more oil anywhere. Peak oil is right and Holocaust^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H "Peak Oil" deniers should be executed for the greater good.

Re:PEAK OIL! (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445601)

Not the cause is the FED printing cheap money [youtube.com] where the banks use that extra cash to buy oil and speculate the prices.

This is the first signs of inflation due to high debt and the printing of extra money to pay for it.

Re:PEAK OIL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445683)

Except that said money has already been printed for a decade or more via easy access to credit.

ovo -hoot

Re:PEAK OIL! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445645)

Psst buddy: here's a new year's resolution for you:

Starting in 2013, I will no longer use the made-up word "sheeple" which instantly brands me as an underemployed political talk radio addict.

Re:PEAK OIL! (1)

sco08y (615665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445885)

Psst buddy: here's a new year's resolution for you:

Starting in 2013, I will no longer use the made-up word "sheeple" which instantly brands me as an underemployed political talk radio addict.

And for you, a resolution to learn what a "parody" is.

Re:PEAK OIL! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445949)

I agree, start referring to them as fucking idiots. You know the moron republicans that are so stupid that they think raising taxes on the rich ($250,000 a year and higher) is a bad thing. you know the same morons that think that trickle down actually happens and that rich people are in fact job creators... You know the idiot simpletons of society.

So from now on it's the Democrat party and the Fucking Idiots Party.

Re:PEAK OIL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446063)

I agree, start referring to them as fucking idiots. You know the moron republicans that are so stupid... well maybe nothing like that was said on THIS thread so far, but on MANY OTHER threads I've read and I don't feel like waiting around for someone to make that same stupid approach

ftfy

Re:PEAK OIL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445781)

The consumption figures can't go down because, as is posted constantly on Slashdot, capitalism is a lie

The consumption figures can't go down because oil is an inelastic good. The office doesn't get any closer to my house just because the price of oil goes up.

Oh right, I know, when the economy completely tanks we'll all sell our houses and move closer to work. Sounds like a great plan, man. Can't see what could possibly go wrong with it, other than the economy tanking and nobody being able to buy a house closer to work or sell a house farther from work. But yeah, I guess that means capitalism is a lie (lolwut?)

Re:PEAK OIL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446281)

Oh right, I know, when the economy completely tanks we'll all sell our houses and move closer to work. Sounds like a great plan, man. Can't see what could possibly go wrong with it, other than the economy tanking and nobody being able to buy a house closer to work or sell a house farther from work.

The longer you wait to do it, the harder it will be.

Re:PEAK OIL! (5, Insightful)

Art Challenor (2621733) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445853)

I'm disappointed that someone who feels that the free market will provide is using roads that are provided by the tax payers. We should cut this budget cost and move it to the road users.

It would cost about another $4 or so per gallon to cover the cost of the road system in the US (or you could come up with some other solution. Technology would allow most roads to be toll roads). Of course, if this huge tax payer subsidy is removed then other forms of transportation would immediately become viable. In other words, trains and buses would become cost effective and the US would get an environmentally friendly transport network.

So, I support you totally in your efforts to tell your socialist representatives to stop subsidizing roads with tax dollars. Please feel free to post copies of the letters you send to them here (or elsewhere).

Re:PEAK OIL! (1)

sco08y (615665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445931)

I'm disappointed that someone who feels that the free market will provide is using roads that are provided by the tax payers. We should cut this budget cost and move it to the road users.

It would cost about another $4 or so per gallon to cover the cost of the road system in the US (or you could come up with some other solution. Technology would allow most roads to be toll roads). Of course, if this huge tax payer subsidy is removed then other forms of transportation would immediately become viable. In other words, trains and buses would become cost effective and the US would get an environmentally friendly transport network.

So, I support you totally in your efforts to tell your socialist representatives to stop subsidizing roads with tax dollars. Please feel free to post copies of the letters you send to them here (or elsewhere).

As another free marketer, I'd be perfectly happy if all government subsidies were removed from all forms of transit, and all the roads were tolled and privately owned, buses were privatized and taxi cartels were eliminated.

We'd get all those tax dollars back, there would be transit services going where customers wanted to go, not mapping out political districts, and the constant traffic jams would be a thing of the past.

Re:PEAK OIL! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445943)

Shut up and learn from Germany - where gas costs 7 bucks a gallon, but there are almost no accidents on the roads (did I mention they don't have a speed limit?), the cars are BMW, Mercedes, Porsche and Audi, not Ford and whatever shitty brand GM uses, where cars are better, more economic, faster and in general more efficient than american crap made to last one year and be replaced.. And even though this country has a WAY better form of public transport by bus, train, metro, tram and bike.

Grow up and go see the world.

Re:PEAK OIL! (0)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446031)

Shut up and learn from Germany - where gas costs 7 bucks a gallon, but there are almost no accidents on the roads (did I mention they don't have a speed limit?), the cars are BMW, Mercedes, Porsche and Audi, not Ford and whatever shitty brand GM uses, where cars are better, more economic, faster and in general more efficient than american crap made to last one year and be replaced.. And even though this country has a WAY better form of public transport by bus, train, metro, tram and bike.

Grow up and go see the world.

Socialist Commie.

LA LA LA LA LA!

We can't hear you! (That's because AT&T sucks but we shall save that for another rant.)

Re:PEAK OIL! (2)

demonlapin (527802) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446207)

I just want to take this chance to reach across the political aisle and agree: AT&T sucks.

Re:PEAK OIL! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446249)

Socialist? Commie?

Sorry, can't hear you at 160 mph on my bmw bike, as the radio is playing loud something from spotify (oh, mobile internet here is fast and cheap, by the way)

Re:PEAK OIL! (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446421)

Socialist? Commie?

Sorry, can't hear you at 160 mph on my bmw bike, as the radio is playing loud something from spotify (oh, mobile internet here is fast and cheap, by the way)

Shut. Up.

You'll get yours when you find out you have to bail out the rest of the EU. Including your friends the Frogs.

Re:PEAK OIL! (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445975)

I actually support making all the highways TOLL roads and force people to pay a toll to use them based on the weight of their vehicle.

Let the idiots that own that F350 supercab they drive to work in alone and empty every day pay an extra $14.95 to get to work each day... oh and another $14.95 to get home.

Only the leaches of society will use entitlements like Highways, Police, Fire, etc...

Re:PEAK OIL! (1)

demonlapin (527802) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446229)

Only the leaches of society will use entitlements like Highways, Police, Fire, etc...

Ah, so you're a bureaucrat yourself, I see? Threaten to cut the basic services instead of winter public pool hours?

Re:PEAK OIL! (3, Informative)

Sepodati (746220) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446147)

We pay a yearly road tax based on engine size in Belgum. I'm sure it's done the same in other European countries, too, but I've only lived here.

Re:PEAK OIL! (5, Insightful)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446309)

I'm disappointed that someone who feels that the free market will provide is using roads that are provided by the tax payers. We should cut this budget cost and move it to the road users.

Great! Because in the US, cars are a net revenue producer [dot.gov] for the highway system. I guess we need to seriously bump up the costs of planes, buses, and trains however to make them also pay for the costs of using the systems provided by the tax payers...

Silly Americans (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445593)

You don't know how good you have it.

Enjoy the ride.

srsly America. (3, Interesting)

dominux (731134) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445597)

you have cheap fuel. Really. http://imgur.com/r/MapPorn/YIpi5 [imgur.com]

Re: Seriously, America? (4, Informative)

crow (16139) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445693)

Gas prices before taxes are fairly consistent throughout most of the developed world. My understanding is that the difference between Europe and the United States has arisen primarily because Europe taxes as a percentage of the price, while the United States taxes on the amount of gasoline. Hence, if the base price doubles, the taxes also double in Europe, but stay the same in the United States. Over time, the difference in price has risen, and should be expected to grow even larger.

Re:srsly America. (1)

alexandre_ganso (1227152) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445969)

Russia and Brazil have FAR higher gas prices than US. I'd call this bollocks.

$7.90 for 91 in NZ (1)

wibblewibble (2766235) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446205)

+1 We pay $7.90 for 91 octane at the moment (it has gone higher)

Nah... (-1, Flamebait)

CptNerd (455084) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445599)

AAA predicts gas prices will be cheaper in 2013

Not if the Federal Government has anything to say about it, and they do.

Raising the gasoline tax a lot more, more stringent EPA regulations, OSHA regs to shut down refineries, all manner of things can be used to keep gasoline prices high.

And they will be used, because it's been the stated goal of the Obama Administration and others to keep fossil fuel costs high in order to "persuade" people to switch to alternatives, like mass transit (powered by windmills, no doubt).

Re:Nah... (5, Interesting)

FranTaylor (164577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445733)

And they will be used, because it's been the stated goal of the Obama Administration and others to keep fossil fuel costs high in order to "persuade" people to switch to alternatives, like mass transit (powered by windmills, no doubt).

Someone need to remind you WHY WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT.

You seem to think that our society runs "on automatic" and that government interference is "bad"

The NEWS for you is that the entire reason we have a petroleum infrastructure and gas stations and roads and cars is because the GOVERNMENT "persuaded" people to adopt them.

Oh but YOU seem to think that the government gets in the way of civilization when in fact government is the DIFFERENCE between prosperity and despair.

Why don't you TRY to speculate on what the price of gasoline would be if the government were not interfering. Trust me you won't like the answer.

Re:Nah... (0, Flamebait)

CptNerd (455084) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445891)

Apparently according to you, we can't do anything without hundreds of thousands of regulations and more government employees than private workers, and a constantly growing Bureaucratic State. You must be part of the Bureaucratic State, or at least dependent upon it for your life.

Good luck dealing with your Benevolent Masters when you finally run afoul of some set of regs that prevent you from doing something you really want to do to pursue your happiness.

Re:Nah... (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445735)

Well, cities are quite suitable for mass transit. If you live and work in a city, you pretty much don't need a car. You certainly don't need a three tonne 4WD truck that gets through an absurd amount of fuel.

Re:Nah... (1)

chronokitsune3233 (2170390) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445753)

Mass transit is great unless you have somewhere you need to be, and you live an hour from the city. This is the problem with America. Too much land. Not enough people filling it. Of course if we had that many people, this country would likely have been finished financially decades ago.

Re:Nah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446381)

Make good transit and people will converge around it. Or make the choice to live an hour from the city, instead of having the developers essentially force people there because "everyone has a car" (as there is no mass transit to begin with) and "get away from the city" (be crammed next to your neighbors as in the city, but without any of the services), but actually because the lands cheaper and they can. Being an hour away from the city is lack of (good) mass transit on both ends, on one end you have to have a car even if you begin in the city (so now you are amenable to moving out) and on the other because there is no incentive to move anywhere else after, it's all driving no matter what.

Re:Nah... (4, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445799)

The gas tax has been declining due to inflation to the point where it doesn't even pay for highway construction/maintenance anymore. The Highway Trust Fund has been running a deficit since 2008, and has to grab general tax revenues to pay for it. I think it's fair to raise the gas tax to a level where it covers the cost of maintaining highways, instead of subsidizing them out of general taxes.

Re:Nah... (4, Informative)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446321)

It's not cars that cause the deficit, it's subsidies for buses and trains [dot.gov] that are depleting the Highway Trust Fund. Congress authorized spending from that pot of money for mass transit - and it's a massive drain on the system. Conversely, cars actually generate net revenue for the system.

Re:Nah... (1)

StormyWeather (543593) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446419)

Inflation causes tax windfalls. One of the first things covered in macro econ.

About the same as 1980 in real terms (4, Interesting)

dpbsmith (263124) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445611)

In real dollars, [sandiego.edu] i.e. corrected for inflation, it's about the same as in 1979-1980.

It's interesting, without shortages and lines at the pump, how much less threatening it seems. I remember visiting my aunt that Christmas and being quite concerned because our tank wasn't big enough to hold gas for the whole round trip, and in addition to lines, many, many gas stations had short hours--there was no certainty of being able to find a gas station open on Christmas day.

Re:About the same as 1980 in real terms (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445973)

Thanks to Barak Hussein Obongo that is. Gas was $2 under Presedent Bush

Re:About the same as 1980 in real terms (3, Insightful)

soundguy (415780) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446153)

It was less than $1.00 under Clinton

Re:About the same as 1980 in real terms (1)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446183)

It touched $1 for a week or so. I remember that week

After that it was up up and away

Re:About the same as 1980 in real terms (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446409)

I remember filling up for $0.69 a gallon around winter of 2000.

Put into perspective . . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445643)

About the same as a gallon of milk. Not that expensive. And we waste so much of it.

It's called inflation (3, Interesting)

jklovanc (1603149) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445649)

The increase in the price of gas is 2.5%, The average inflation rate for 2012 was 2.1%. So the increase was 15% over inflation but that is understandable. I bet most of the things we but would have a highest price ever this year.

Re:It's called inflation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445709)

lol you think inflation was 2.1%, try closer to 10% but keep using fed generated stats that no longer take into account non-essential items like...FOOD!

Bwahahahaha

Re:It's called inflation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446089)

Grocery prices have year-over-year fluctuations ranging from -2% to 6% with an average of about 2% over the last decade.

Re:It's called inflation (2)

Graymalkin (13732) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446325)

Uh oh, you better check some real sources...like the BLS website. Looks like food [bls.gov] is in fact the top item category in the CPI-U calculation. The Federal Reserve uses the all items less food and energy, known as the "Core", CPI-U numbers even though the BLS releases numbers including and excluding food and energy. Even then the Fed uses PCE numbers to make actual policy decisions rather than the CPI. The PCE calculation is close to the Chained CPI-U numbers the BLS now releases which take into account things like item substitution.

Re:It's called inflation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446115)

Your math is wrong.
2.5% divided by 2.1% is not a measure of the price increase.

The price increase when dealing with percentages in this context is 0.4% - almost nil.
I don't think 2.1% for inflation is accurate for the past few years.

Re:It's called inflation (4, Insightful)

Rockoon (1252108) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446129)

It is curious that you are comparing the increase in the price of gas with the increase in the price of things including gas, but labeling one inflation and the other simply a price increase.

Has to be wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445677)

The data has to be wrong, Washington state has terrible gas prices and soon we're going to be getting taxed another 18cents a gallon.

Ok I dislike Obama.. (1)

StormyWeather (543593) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445689)

However high gas prices are more a result of a weak dollar than any other reason including the war on fossil fuels. Also see the cost of bacon, gold, copper, etc. Even if demand falls if the oilfield production costs go up and the dollar falls in value on a globally traded commodity it really isn't rocket science.

Re:Ok I dislike Obama.. (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445811)

The weak US dollar is moving jobs to the US.

Dear America, (5, Insightful)

NIK282000 (737852) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445719)

Stop it.
 
There is no sympathy from the rest of the world. Here in Canada "cheap" gas is 4.50USD/Gallon, in Europe its way worse then that, no one wants to hear about it any more. Pick some other non-issue to cry about like how expensive starbucks coffee is or how horrible it is that the millionaire hockey players aren't playing.

Re:Dear America, (5, Insightful)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445803)

in Europe its way worse then that

... and even despite that, it costs about the same per kilometer to drive in the EU and UK than it does in the US, thanks to their comically inefficient vehicles.

Re:Dear America, (2)

NIK282000 (737852) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445875)

Canada has the same problem but compounded. Outside of major cities (and inside some) you can not expect to go anywhere after it snows unless the plow has been by OR you have all wheel drive/4x4 and a high ground clearance. Unfortunately you don't find those features on many high MPG cars and the plows don't hit residential or side streets until some time after noon. You'll also be hard pressed to find a boss in Canada that lets you take snow days ;)

Re:Dear America, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445981)

Note: that's for 2 months of the year... and it only snows that bad 1-5 times a month.

Re:Dear America, (1)

cmdr_tofu (826352) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446201)

Thats true, but if you have to be at work every day, then your only alternative would be to own 2 cars: 1 for good days and 1 for snowy days. Also there is a risk of unpredicted snow (being stuck at work because your SmartCar cannot be driven on unplowed roads). I'm still going with a car that can be both fuel efficient and good in snow.

Re:Dear America, (4, Interesting)

corychristison (951993) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446371)

Note: that's for 2 months of the year... and it only snows that bad 1-5 times a month.

Where the fuck do you live? 2 months out of the year? Ha! I wish.

I live in a city with a population around 35,000 people in Saskatchewan. We get dumped on from mid-october right thru May, spilling into early March.

My cities mayor and board members have their head up their ass, so snow removal takes days on busy streets and most residential areas get one or two pass-overs a year.

I have two cars, a small fairly efficient car my wife uses to go to work, and the family car, an AWD Chevy Equinox.

With good tires and driving with caution, she does well with the small car. Very rarely does she ever need to take the family car to work.

Our monthly gas buget is around $120. A little over what the insurance costs on my Equunox. Really gas prices are not terible, right now sitting at $1.09/L. I don't know the conversion off hand but roughly in my head that's around $4/US Gallon (if someone cares to do the math they are free to do so).

Re:Dear America, (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445995)

bull. I have friends in northern canada that have no problems in a Suburau Outback. Low ground clearance and only AWD.

Re:Dear America, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446425)

I was amused on the one day when it snowed in London and all the drivers decided it would be a great idea to drive down an icy hill... helped push a few cars back onto the road to freedom but noticed it was the 4WD landrover that was first in the ditch and the ancient stationwagon driven by a older driver (with his family in back) that slowly and steadily made it down the road safely. Not that anything should have been driving on that hill. Kids were sledging on the road which really didn't help.

Re:Dear America, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446025)

In Israel it's over $9 ($9.28 in August: http://www.haaretz.com/business/israel-gas-prices-ranked-third-highest-in-the-world-1.459475 ). From that link, Norway's got it spot-on.

Re:Dear America, (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446069)

So for the two or three days a year you might not get to work, you buy a huge 4x4 that spends the other 360-odd days of the year being a collossal drain on your resources?

Yeah, that sounds quite sensible.

Re:Dear America, (1)

cmdr_tofu (826352) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446187)

I drive a VW TDI with low-ground clearance front-wheel drive and 4 studded winter tires. I'm not in Ontario, but I can get around pretty well on unplowed roads here in snowy New England (often better than people with 4wd and all season tires). I admit being higher off the ground would be an advantage (I have a small shovel in the trunk for the rare occasions when I get stuck), but 40+ MPG is an advantage too.

Mod parent up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445857)

+1

Happy new year!

Re:Dear America, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445979)

Slashdot, Apple fanbois, Planet America, Google bashing etc etc. Just as well that "news for nerds" bit isn't found anywhere on the website, it would be really embarassing.

Duh (1)

iceperson (582205) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445983)

Where do you think the money for your "free" healthcare and other social programs comes from?

Re:Duh (1)

NIK282000 (737852) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446017)

The taxes on our income, liquor and tobacco that are all also higher then the corresponding US tax rates.

Re:Dear America, (0)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445987)

Wahh! the dang canadians wont send us more Gravy and cheeses curds for our French Fries!

Re:Dear America, (2)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446059)

Wahh! the dang canadians wont send us more Gravy and cheeses curds for our French Fries!

Who needs gravy and Canadian cheese curds when you can just put chili and some good Wisconsin or Vermont cheddar on your fries instead?

Re:Dear America, (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446171)

Drugs. And broadband.

Oh, and maple syrup. We're sending a raiding party up to capture some.

Nope (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446339)

Fuck you, it used to be cheap. We want it back that way. The rest of the world agreed to fund social programs and public transport through high fuel taxes. We did not.

Well duh .... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445727)

The Obama administration's Energy Secretary believes Americans should pay European gas prices to encourage people to buy fuel efficient cars and reduce sprawl. They want to social engineer the US to fit their world view.

"In an interview with The Wall Street Journal in late 2008 -- before Obama was elected and at a point when Chu had no ties to Obama -- Chu told the newspaper that he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl.

"Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe," Chu said in an interview with the Journal in September 2008. The quote did not appear in print until December, when the Journal ran a story after news emerged that Chu was being tapped as energy secretary."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/14/newt-gingrich/gingrich-said-energy-secretary-advocated-raising-g/

Comparison with Europe (1, Informative)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445729)

$4.31 per gallon is 0.86 euro per litre.
i.e. the highest price ever of gas in the worst part of the US is more than two times cheaper than the average price in Europe.

2012 Set Record For Most Expensive Gas In World (3, Insightful)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445743)

2012 Set Record For Most Expensive Gas In the World

would have been more interesting since gas is still relatively cheap in the US.

Try moving to Sweden! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445771)

Try moving to Sweden! You pay $3.51 a gallon we pay on average $7.65 a gallon! All because of your wars!

Re:Try moving to Sweden! (5, Insightful)

sco08y (615665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445967)

Try moving to Sweden! You pay $3.51 a gallon we pay on average $7.65 a gallon! All because of your wars!

And it has nothing to do with your government soaking you for $4 a gallon in taxes.

Still half the price (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445779)

...in Australia.

Re:Still half the price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446087)

Are you saying Petrol is half the price in Australia?
I live in a country town, so I'll assume Petrol in somewhere like Sydney is 10c per Litre cheaper than where I am at $1.47 for 92 octane. (No - I don't count docket discounts)
So $1.37 * 3.78541 (litres in a US gallon) = $5.19 So no, we are more expensive than the most expensive state in the US.

Re:Still half the price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446167)

The price quotes in the US is for 87 octane regular gas. You are comparing regular to what would be premium in the US. US prices for premium are about $0.30 - $0.35 more than regular so US price for premium is pretty close to Australia.

Compare apples to apples.

Re:Still half the price (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446273)

Except that the US uses a different octane scale than the rest of the world. 92 is regular in most of the world, premium is 95 or 98.

Re:Still half the price (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446243)

...in Australia.

In Australia we pay about US$5.50 to US$6.00 a gallon. A$1.30 per litre (cheap petrol) is about $3.40 for a US gallon.

The excise on petrol is about A$0.40 per litre and that pays for roads, the US has to pay for roads via taxation. Personally I'd rather have the consumption tax as it punishes the heaviest users (I.E. the bogans in V8 utes that get around 18L/100 KM). Also like everything else, fuel is subject to 10% GST.

Been trending up a long while, peaked in 2008 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42445793)

Gas prices in the US have been trending up for a long time. Peak was in 2008.
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=average+prices+for+gallon+of+gas+in+united+states+since+1990

Price keeps going up (1)

tie_guy_matt (176397) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445807)

In the short term the price of gas goes up and down. However in the long term the price of gas goes up and up. It is almost like oil is a non-renewable resource or something. Nah that is crazy commy talk.

Re:Price keeps going up (3, Informative)

sco08y (615665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446051)

In the short term the price of gas goes up and down. However in the long term the price of gas goes up and up. It is almost like oil is a non-renewable resource or something. Nah that is crazy commy talk.

No, it's called "inflation," and it happens with all sorts of commodities. We measure it with the Consumer Price Index.

The real cost of commodities generally declines over time. In fact, Julian Simon and Paul Erlich made a famous bet about this. Paul Erlich, you'll recall, was the doomsayer who predicted the population bomb and recommended eugenics, sterilization and a global government control over all resources. (Notably, the coauthor for his book laying all this out was John Holdren [zombietime.com] , now Obama's chief science adviser.)

They bet on the prices of various commodities, and every single one of them went down [wikipedia.org] . Simon won his bet, and Erlich had to pay up.

But it doesn't matter how many times you loons are wrong, you'll just keep predicting doom, over and over again.

Re:Price keeps going up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446313)

We have bought time by a number of things. Shifting pollution overseas, shifting to lignite coal for all factories, using petroleum products as fertilizer, environmental consequences be damned. Real solutions like nuclear (and research on plentiful thorium) are left feared and ignored, and fusion is never funded.

Realistically, everything is going up in cost, and incomes are not going up to match that. In 1995, a college student would graduate with a $35,000 entry level job. A decent car would be around $20,000, and a high-end car about $30,000. Rent? $500 would get you a two bed, two bath in a good apartment.

Fast forward to 2013. Guess what, $35,000 is what a graduating student is lucky to get, or any job with a salary at all (compared to hourly pay and busing tables.) That $20,000 car is now $40k, the luxury car is $80k, the $500 apartment now means living with a roommate in the side of town where you do not go out after dusk, period. In the US, the "good" jobs are outsourced or handed to H-1Bs.

Remember, Malthus can be only delayed; not denied.

The average price for just about anything... (5, Insightful)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about a year and a half ago | (#42445961)

"the average price for a gallon of gas in the U.S. was higher in 2012 than in any year before it"

Huh? The average price for just about anything in the U.S. was higher in 2012 than in any year before it...

So, follow Denmark's example: EV's (Elec Cars) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446077)

Forget any residual "EV range anxiety" you may feel,
& focus on EV's with a -swappable- battery pack, eg,
those from BetterPlace.com.

Take 18 min's to view Shai Agassi's talk at TED.com
from 2009. ...and, maybe, his hour-long detailed version - from
Melbourne - on YouTube or Fora.tv (paywalled, but
you can download it.

Get off petroleum-fuels & enjoy (someday: Thorium
(LFTR) fueled) Electric Cars.

Make intelligent choices -now- (It's -not- too late),
as the Danes have: embrace Zero-Emission EV's.

Win, win, win... :-)

still using gallons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42446103)

US hasn't switched to petrol or liters? just askin'.

Petrol is € 2,00 per liter in Europe. Not sure how that translates to US dollars.

Isn't every year a record year for gas prices? (4, Insightful)

MikeTheGreat (34142) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446135)

Given that the price of gas keeps going up, isn't every year a record year for gas prices?

Seems to have gone down just after the election (1)

Steve1952 (651150) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446139)

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the price of gas is down by nearly $1.00 a gallon since the election. Duh...which party generally controls gas prices?

Re:Seems to have gone down just after the election (2)

Megane (129182) | about a year and a half ago | (#42446283)

You do know that US gas prices always go down in winter, right? There are two main reasons. First, summer fuel blends cost more, second, gas is sold to the stations by the tanker gallon. When it is delivered in the summer, the temperature difference between the tanker and the underground storage tanks causes literal shrinkage. Still, they did start going down a bit early this year.

And if you're going to correlate gas prices with elections, the national average price was $1.86/gal when Obama was sworn in, and he has an energy secretary who thinks the price should be higher. Right now the price is about as low as it's been since then.

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