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Chromebook Takes Top Place In Laptop Sales On Amazon

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the where-did-you-come-from dept.

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rtfa-troll writes "Amazon's latest table of the top selling laptops will be a surprise for many on Slashdot whose first reaction when we discussed this before was 'so what,' with pundits describing it as 'an enterprise contender.' Given the recent launch and huge advertising campaign, you might expect that the top selling consumer laptop would be based on Win8. If you read recent discussions about Microsoft's troubled new system you might expect a Mac to be leading, but Google's Chromebook topping the sales chart on a consumer site without any major advertising campaign is a major surprise. We've discussed before that apart from its web based ChromeOS, Chromebooks are also very fast running Ubuntu Linux and have several other distributions already ported."

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so what (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448317)

so what

Re:so what (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448359)

so what

The calendar has been revised so that the years starts on the 1st of April... that's what.

Targeted customers (0, Troll)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year ago | (#42448537)

To buy that thing, one has to order it via Amazon - and fact is that, even today, not many people know how to order stuffs from Amazon.

It's a self-selecting process.

Those who know how to buy stuffs from Amazon are more in tune with technology to begin with, and many of those who are more in tune with technology want to try their hand on something new.

What's new to that crowd?

They already have desktop PC, laptop PC, Android tablets, iPhone/iPad, smartphones of many kinds, so what is "new" for them, actually, are:

1. Windows8 phone
2. Chromebook

Windows8 doesn't really charm people that much - in fact, there so many negative "reviews" from the Net - and the logical "toy" for the technologically savvy crowd to buy is left with only one choice ---

Chromebook

Re:Targeted customers (5, Informative)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448823)

Na - I got mine from BestBuy. I walked in and asked for one - had to order it and wait for two days. The store guys said they can't keep the store inventory up with the demand, but they keep getting them in the distribution warehouses.

Re:Targeted customers (2, Insightful)

segedunum (883035) | about a year ago | (#42448919)

You've split some pretty major hairs there to explain why the Chromebook is on top.

Re:so what (4, Funny)

rvw (755107) | about a year ago | (#42448679)

so what

So what??? This means 2013 must be the year of the Linux Desktop!

Re:so what (3, Informative)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448937)

I was waiting for a decent Android laptop, but with all the thousands of Android apps ported to Chrome, this Chromebook is the ticket.

Lame? The Slashdot blessing (2)

Subm (79417) | about a year ago | (#42448329)

Soon the tech industry will proudly proclaim

Declared "Lame" by Slashdot! ... with whatever that time's less space than a Nomad and having no wireless are.

Re:Lame? The Slashdot blessing (3, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#42448653)

You might be on to something there, since Slashdot just yesterday had a story about how net books were dead. Most poster didn't realize that the netbook simple morphed into chrombooks.

Great system for parents (5, Informative)

Cinder6 (894572) | about a year ago | (#42448335)

My mom's laptop failed, so I convinced her to get the Samsung Chromebook. So far, she says she really likes it. It's dead simple to use, as it pretty much only does what she needs--web browsing and email. There's no settings for her to mess up, updates are silent and automatic, and it's next to impossible to "break" the OS. I offered to set it up for her, but all I actually had to do was enter her Gmail password and the WiFi password. The only setting I changed was to enable Google Instant.

From my own observations of playing around for 10 minutes, the hardware itself leaves a (very) little bit to be desired. The trackpad feels a little rough (though I'm comparing it to a MacBook Air, so it's hardly a fair comparison), and there is a noticeable delay when switching tabs. Again, though, I'm comparing a $250 machine to a $1400 machine, so it's hard to complain. Software-wise, accessing the settings page is slightly unintuitive (from the "desktop", click your username; it's not in the app list). Also, there's no caps lock, which may or may not be annoying. It's been replaced by a search button which doubles as the Windows key on a PC keyboard.

Re:Great system for parents (2)

Ash-Fox (726320) | about a year ago | (#42448379)

The thing I find sucky about a Chromebook is the lack of Skype.

No working Skype for Android either (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448449)

I'd like to think Microsoft are deliberately making a second rate Android version, but I have to admit it's probably just incompetence.

To list the major faults Skype for Android has:
1. Video is upside down, if you rotate the device, then both the camera and video playback are upside down, but the other person does see you right way up in that case.
2. Video is landscape only & very fuzzy, but the camera video is not fuzzy, probably the compression?
3. Audio plays back very very quietly even with full volume.
4. Lag, lots of it.
5. Occasionally Skype gets in a state where the Android tablet won't go into hibernation until you force-kill Skype. This really sucks down the battery juice.
6. Call receive ring is very quiet, even with full volume.

So as far as I'm concerned, there is no Skype that's viable for Android either. It doesn't really matter, there are plenty of messaging/video apps, I just don't count Skype among them.

Re:No working Skype for Android either (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year ago | (#42448521)

WP7 skype was utterly terrible as well. You couldn't even receive calls on it when it wasn't on foreground. It seems more an issue of actual incompetence then intentional malice.

Re:No working Skype for Android either (3, Informative)

djsmiley (752149) | about a year ago | (#42448629)

1. Not for me
2. Not for me
3. Not for me
4. Not for me
5. Not for me
6. Not for me.

Have you attempted to raise any bugs, give any indication of what device your using or anything you've tried? No?

I'm all for MS bashing (see previous comments :D) however spoutting utter shit like this without any facts is 1. expected on slashdot, 2. unhelpful to everyone other than trolls.

Re:No working Skype for Android either (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448917)

stfubitch

Re:No working Skype for Android either (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42449037)

The mating call of the loser.

Re:No working Skype for Android either (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448953)

Yeah, it's been downloaded over 100 million times and has a 4 star rating on the Play store, so clearly not everyone is running into all 6 of the OP's problems. Maybe he was using an older version - I heard it had some bugs on certain devices earlier.

Re:Great system for parents (3, Interesting)

bickerdyke (670000) | about a year ago | (#42448513)

Yes, though Hangouts are a good replacement.

But it's not a lack of skype, it's a lack of each and every local app, but then again, that's part of the concept.

Re:Great system for parents (0)

Ash-Fox (726320) | about a year ago | (#42449093)

Yes, though Hangouts are a good replacement.

Google Hangouts doesn't support conferencing with an actual real world phone, I also don't believe there is any POTS support at all. That's not really a replacement.

Re:Great system for parents (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | about a year ago | (#42448615)

Have you tried a web based IM service that supports voice? I know imo.im has voice call buttons for Skype... maybe that'll work.

Re:Great system for parents (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448845)

There are a couple of apps, such as "imo messenger" that claim they will connect you to a skype call from within Chrome. I haven't tried them, but they get decent reviews. There's some instructions here on how to get a skype call going from a chromebook with imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ArOPKoxE4Y [youtube.com]

Re:Great system for parents (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | about a year ago | (#42449115)

That seems really limited compared to the regular Skype client. I'm not really convinced that buying a Chromebook would be better than buying a netbook because I'd lose out on so much Skype functionality and there is nothing really stopping imo.im from going away like Meebo.

Why is it not Android? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448385)

I suspect this is about as good as when Zune topped the Amazon sales chart.

What I can't get my head around is, why isn't this running Android?

Re:Why is it not Android? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#42448639)

Because phone apps running on laptops are horrible.

Yeah, I know Microsoft disagrees with me, but we disagree on a lot!

Re:Why is it not Android? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448733)

"THE [fundamental principle of science]: that the sole test of validity for any idea is experiment." -- R. Feynman

Except for every science except physics (and frankly, ever since string theory, it's mostly not true for physics anymore either).

Re:Why is it not Android? (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448803)

Thousands of Android apps have already been ported to run under Chrome OS. Go to the store - it's a huge collection.

Re:Great system for parents (2)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year ago | (#42448565)

I just realized I never use Caps Lock anymore. I don't even know when was the last time I used it, but it was long ago.

Re:Great system for parents (5, Funny)

Graymalkin (13732) | about a year ago | (#42448631)

ME NEITHER.

Re:Great system for parents (5, Funny)

BronsCon (927697) | about a year ago | (#42448761)

LIKEWISE. I HIT IT ONCE AFTER I BOOT UP, TO MAKE SURE IT STILL WORKS, AND LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL THE NEXT REBOOT.

Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
Seriously, Slashdot? Way to fuck up my gag.
Nope, still can't post this, let's add a little more lowercase text.

Re:Great system for parents (1)

Archtech (159117) | about a year ago | (#42448697)

I just realized I never use Caps Lock anymore. I don't even know when was the last time I used it, but it was long ago.

Same here - intentionally anyway. Unfortunately, every now and then I discover that I've been using it unintentionally.

It's the main reason I occasionally consider learning to touch type...

Re:Great system for parents (1)

Threni (635302) | about a year ago | (#42448995)

I never deliberately select caps lock but I must be pressing it sometimes but I notice occasionally that when I go to enter a password I see the `caps lock is selected` message and have to press it to make it go away. Removing the damn key sounds like a result to me as I'd never see that message again.

Feel free to remove sysrq, pause and scroll-lock too - they either do nothing or are no use to me. Some of this stuff could be stuck on to other keys the way laptaps do, accessible via Fkeys or something. This would help standardise their location so you could move between devices with less pain.

Re:Great system for parents (1)

Cyberax (705495) | about a year ago | (#42449039)

I use it all the time to switch keyboard layout. There's more than one language, you know.

Re:Great system for parents (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#42448641)

Pretty near everyone I've talked to who's gotten a Chromebook has been happy with it. They know what they are getting when they buy it, the price is good, so they are satisfied.

Re:Great system for parents (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448805)

Yeah, it's pretty cool. Anyone can sign into it with their gmail account, so I pass it around to others a lot. Everyone loves the hell out of it. So small.

Re:Great system for parents (1)

greenfruitsalad (2008354) | about a year ago | (#42448991)

"They know what they are getting when they buy it"? Surely there are lawsuits and marketing twists that prove it can't be true.

Are these the same people who can't discriminate between Galaxy Tab and iPad? Same people who play with a GNU/Linux based netbook in the shop, buy it and then return it (allegedly) because they did not realise it wasn't running Windows?

Re:Great system for parents (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42449015)

You can change the search key back into capslock. This isn't some workaround, Google actually have it well documented:

http://support.google.com/chromeos/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=177875

People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448339)

My big question is what the return rate will be like. I suspect that some people are expecting a full desktop OS, like Windows.

Re:People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (5, Insightful)

isorox (205688) | about a year ago | (#42448389)

My big question is what the return rate will be like. I suspect that some people are expecting a full desktop OS, like Windows.

The big question is how few will tell the difference. Apple knows this, Microsoft knows this, google knows this. Slashdot doesn't.

You got that right. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448729)

My big question is what the return rate will be like. I suspect that some people are expecting a full desktop OS, like Windows.

The big question is how few will tell the difference. Apple knows this, Microsoft knows this, google knows this. Slashdot doesn't.

Anyone who has ever had to do any sort of tech support with the general public will have this sort of conversation:

Tech support: "What operating system are you running?"

Jane Q Public: "HP."

It's not an exaggeration.

Re:People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448413)

TFA says it runs Ubuntu -- "a full desktop OS."

Re:People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (5, Insightful)

Mostly a lurker (634878) | about a year ago | (#42448525)

TFA says it runs Ubuntu -- "a full desktop OS."

This means that it is possible to install Ubuntu (and several other Linux distributions) not that it is sold with Ubuntu already installed. For most buyers, the experience out of the box is what counts. Fwiiw, I think this will be perfectly acceptable for most bearing in mind the price tag.

Re:People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | about a year ago | (#42448551)

TFA says it runs Ubuntu -- "a full desktop OS."

This means that it is possible to install Ubuntu (and several other Linux distributions) not that it is sold with Ubuntu already installed. For most buyers, the experience out of the box is what counts. Fwiiw, I think this will be perfectly acceptable for most bearing in mind the price tag.

People running Linux know the difference between hardware and software, so this is a big plus for anyone who wants a linux laptop at what really is a great price for the hardware. Under $400 for a decent machine is really value for money.

Re:People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (1)

Teun (17872) | about a year ago | (#42449109)

Heh, so I wasn't the only one who had to re-read that part :)

With the word 'full' included it's probably Kubuntu.

Re:People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (5, Informative)

idealego (32141) | about a year ago | (#42448429)

It currently receives 4/5 stars based on 569 reviews, so it's fair to say that people like it.

I browsed over the reviews and there's nothing there to suggest that many people are returning it because it's a Chromebook.

Re:People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (1)

bickerdyke (670000) | about a year ago | (#42448519)

I'm intrested in that number, too...

But if you get people to accept Win8RT instead of a full desktop app, ChromeOS should be on the safe side....

Re:People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (4, Interesting)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448853)

I asked the guys at BestBuy that I bought mine from. They said they weren't getting returns. When I bought mine, they were pretty aggressive in making sure I knew that it was a web-based system, and not Windows or Mac.

Re:People not aware that it runs ChromeOS? (1)

segedunum (883035) | about a year ago | (#42448931)

My big question is what the return rate will be like. I suspect that some people are expecting a full desktop OS, like Windows.

That's the general line Microsoft like to tot out - that people will be expecting Windows. From the reviews, worryingly, it appears not.

does not surprise me one bit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448363)

what with all the hoopla surrounding windows 8
the unacceptable reality field apple is emanating,
bad press from the ubuntus for different reasons
android still does not have a good office suite--even abiword would be good
they still remember all those laptops network cards that sent them back to windows
this cant be a "bad" thing any way i look at it

And Windows 8 almost edges out 7 (3, Insightful)

DingerX (847589) | about a year ago | (#42448365)

1. Chrome
2. OSX
3. Win 7
4. OSX
5. Win 8
6. Win 7
7. Win 7
8. OSX
9. Win 8
10. Win 8


So, certainly, laptops come in so many different flavors that the OSs that circulate in "one size fits all" SKUs will float to the top. We'd expect Macs and Chromebooks to sell more of a given configuration than a Microsoft box. But two months after the launch of Win 8, to see Win 7 beating it in the retail channel, that's news.

Re:And Windows 8 almost edges out 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448465)

Except your look is disingenuous at best.

All of the Windows 7 machines in the top 10 list are budget laptops. Number 3 (overpriced $467.89 Core i3 Dell) has been sitting at number 3, given there is no green/red arrow next to it, and both number 4 and number 5 are higher than they were previously. That means the Windows 8-based number 5 has been getting more popular. Number 6 is in the same situation as number 3--no change, and it's an Acer. It's more likely being purchased based on its price rather than its merits ($399.99, currently).

Beyond number 10 (itself having fallen to #10, which is surprising for the Lenovo Twist to have gotten that high), it's a series of Windows 8 machines that are all rising in rankings with the exception of the Lenovo Twist. The fact that the #6 Acer should pretty much tell you everything that you need to know about the list.

Re:And Windows 8 almost edges out 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448553)

if there were new models coming out with Win 7, there might be a different result.

One interesting exercise I was involved in on Thanksgiving Day was scouring the ads for laptops that *didn't* have Windows 8, rather than just the hottest deals like usual. This was by the request of less techie potential buyers in my family.

Apple Leads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448377)

Let's put it in perspective. Three of the top ten are Apple Macs.

Re:Apple Leads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448401)

that is some twisted perspective considering 6 of the top 10 are windows lol.

Re:Apple Leads (2)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about a year ago | (#42448499)

that is some twisted perspective considering 6 of the top 10 are windows lol.

I think he meant that this would be news if there were more Chrome-books on that list than Apple Macs since Apple is a smaller competitor to beat when it comes to laptop sales than the 800 pound gorilla that is Windows Laptops. Chrome-books displacing Windows laptops on the top 10 most sold list would be the next hurdle. Personally, I'll be impressed one of these Chrome-books managed to stays on that list on for any length of time, not that I'm especially impressed by that list, the one for music players still has third place on the Amazon list and it is discontinued.

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Hard-Drive-Based/zgbs/electronics/15752041 [amazon.com]

Re:Apple Leads (3, Funny)

rvw (755107) | about a year ago | (#42448703)

that is some twisted perspective considering 6 of the top 10 are windows lol.

I think he meant that this would be news if there were more Chrome-books on that list than Apple Macs since Apple is a smaller competitor to beat when it comes to laptop sales than the 800 pound gorilla that is Windows Laptops.

Interesting way of putting it - 800 pound Gorilla. The fact is that even if those Windows laptops are 800 pound Gorillas, the macbooks are probably 1200 GBP gorillas.

silly comparison (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | about a year ago | (#42448383)

a few models vs thousands of models and the story submitter is surprised that it can be the number 1 selling model? The only thing I am surprised at is that it beat out the also limited model ranges of Mac's.

It is a great system with Ubuntu (5, Informative)

asola (2778943) | about a year ago | (#42448397)

I have been using the new ARM Chromebook with ChrUbuntu Alpha + refinemeents for almost 2 weeks and I have to say that it already a usable configuration. Most of the important desktop stuff already works (suspend-resume, playing videos...etc) and with good speed. This new Exynos 5250 is really a desktop class processor (at least as strong as the one in my old Toshiba Portege m200). For example: it cold-starts LibreOffice Writer in 5s which is pretty unheard of in the ARM world. If I manage to setup hw accelerated video playing and Oracle's Java, I will be an extremely happy Chromebook owner but I already consider it a good purchase in its current state.

Re:It is a great system with Ubuntu (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448555)

If I manage to setup hw accelerated video playing and Oracle's Java

Why would you ruin it like that with Java??

Re:It is a great system with Ubuntu (1)

asola (2778943) | about a year ago | (#42448811)

I want to use desktop Java apps on it. There are quite a few usable ones. I also want to have an emergency-case Netbeans installation on it in case my desktop fails for some reason and I quickly need to fix something in the Java based SAS software our company is selling.

Re:It is a great system with Ubuntu (5, Interesting)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448929)

Yeah, it's shocking how fast this Exynos processor is, and the Chromebook handles graphics processes with ease. I can run more videos concurrently on it than on my desktop. My daughter hooks up the HDMI port to run her big flat screen TV with it and watch Hulu. I guess Netflix isn't working yet on the $250 model, but they are supposed to fix that soon. Also nice that you get a full-sized USB 3.0 port, a full-sized USB 2.0 port, and a full-sized HDMI port. Nicer than the MacBook Air in that regard - no need to run out and buy the MacBook-to-HDMI conversion adaptor for $30.

Android story reloaded (3, Informative)

should_be_linear (779431) | about a year ago | (#42448405)

Just like Android, this OS will bring $100 Chinese laptops, that would be great for Linux users, and also provide great OLPC solution as a side effect. Only feature I need in future ChromeOS editions, is integrated VirtualBox, so that I can launch Ubuntu from within ChromeOS.

Re:Android story reloaded (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448877)

Chrome Remote Desktop works so well on the Chromebook, I haven't felt the need for a VM running on it - I just call up my desktop. But I'm doing that less and less, as the apps work really well, and the most important apps are almost all available offline now. In fact, I find the spreadsheet program to be more nimble and have some features that are missing in Excel, and I've been using it more than Excel recently.

Re:Android story reloaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448985)

VirtualBox on a $100 laptop??

Re:Android story reloaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448999)

Indeed, this is the netbook done properly. I should try whether it runs on my netbook, actually...

It's obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448439)

People are tired of virus and malware laden Windows laptops.

Captcha: cheaper

Not surprising if you think about it (4, Interesting)

WegianWarrior (649800) | about a year ago | (#42448443)

It's cheap and do what most people want a laptop to do - check emails, surf the web and type up the occasional letter. It's also a good machine for geeks, since it's not locked down with Windows or OSX - meaning you can stick any flavour of Linux you want on it if you know how. In the current economic situation it taps into the same markets as the original netbooks - the 7" and 9" Eee - did; people needing a cheap machine to get online and geek-heads wanting a toy.

The danger is off course that the Chromebook will go down the same slippery slope as the netbooks fif; bigger screens, more beefed up hardware... until they are just another laptop.

Re:Not surprising if you think about it (2)

Henriok (6762) | about a year ago | (#42448523)

No Mac is locked down in a way that you can't run Windows or Linux on them. A Mac isn't locked down in any other way I can think of either

Re:Not surprising if you think about it (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448655)

A Mac is locked down so you can't *only* run Windows on it - Windows cannot update the boot configuration if you try and do a fully native install! You need to install it via bootcamp.

You also cannot boot the Windows install media from an external device (hard disk, usb key or external dvd drive) on many Macs - the Mac won't allow it, you have to boot it fm the internal DVD drive.

You also cannot boot OSX externally and try and partition the non-boot disk for Bootcamp, again it won't allow it. You have to partition the device OSX is booted from.

So, right now, my 256GB SSD in my 2010 MBP sports a 10GB OSX partition that wll never again be booted into. Rather sad :(

Re:Not surprising if you think about it (1)

dadelbunts (1727498) | about a year ago | (#42448585)

What windows pc is locked down? You can format and install whatever you want on just about any windows pc. You can stick any flavor of linux you want on them.

Re:Not surprising if you think about it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448673)

Try nearly any Win 8 device, ever heard of Secure boot?

Re:Not surprising if you think about it (1)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | about a year ago | (#42448789)

Only Windows 8 ARM (ie RT) based devices. None of the x86 based machines have Secure Boot enabled.

Re:Not surprising if you think about it (3, Interesting)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448891)

Mostly the Chromebook is just so lightweight. My daughter's 11.6 inch MacBook Air is heavy compared to this thing.

What strategy will Microsoft's Ballmer employ? (1)

bogaboga (793279) | about a year ago | (#42448455)

Let's just wait for it. The strategy will be known soon, right?

Writedown something Gates bought (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448591)

Same as Ballmer did the last quarter, find something Bill Gates bought, write it down by a massive amount that could never be justified*, then claim the profits would be higher than ever if only the write-down hadn't happened, and blame Bill.

He can't make profit, but he can inflate write-downs, and with a bit of spin, those can be pretend profits!

* Last quarters loss was blamed on a massive write-down of the online advertising company bought by Gates. Basically all the bad performance of all the online businesses was assembled into one big write-down, and dumped on the only business (advertising) that could ever have brought in money to pay for it. It was also a major over the top write-down, since that business only needed 2.5% of Googles revenue to justify it's price.

This year's "thin client." (2)

Shag (3737) | about a year ago | (#42448561)

Does the basics (but don't look for serious application software for it soon, if ever), is as cheap as an old netbook was, and by being largely cloud-based, is probably "safer" in a lot of ways - not just malware, but the potential for corporations or institutions to remotely configure, update and "manage" (control) what their users can access.

Does it run Linux? (2)

devent (1627873) | about a year ago | (#42448581)

I mean, can I install Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora on the Box? Is it locked down or can I just boot from USB stick?

Thanks for the info.

Win8 is Doing Fine (0)

Toreo asesino (951231) | about a year ago | (#42448605)

Those stats from the other day compared percentage of all machines at the time running Vista, and a % of all machines now running Windows 8, with the % now after 2 months of W8 users less than it was after the same time period of Vista being out. There are a lot more PCs now than there were then so it was a false equivalence. Windows 8 may or may not be the most popular Windows ever; it's very different on some levels (not on others) for one thing and people don't like change, but for sure it's not tanking as many on here would love everyone to believe.

I appreciate much of Slashdot don't want Windows 8 or Microsoft to survive any longer than necessary but has it really come to creative number massaging to convince the world of a narrative you're going to believe anyway? How are /. nerds any different from any PR/sales drones at this point?

No major ad campaign? (1)

Daetrin (576516) | about a year ago | (#42448613)

What qualifies as major? I know i've seen ads for it a number of times. Admittedly i can't remember now if they were on TV or YouTube. Obviously putting self-promoting ads on YouTube is pretty easy for Google, but it's not like a lot of people wouldn't see them there.

Re:No major ad campaign? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448671)

There are Chrome Book ads on national prime time TV here in the UK, started before Christmas and still going on.

Better than an iBitch I suppose; but gBitch? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448617)

I'll stick to real Linux friendly laptops that run free software and don't lock you into services or treat you as a product. And yea- Ubuntu is sucking more and more, Linux Mint is a little better in some ways, although Trisquel gets it even if you don't (Trisquel respects your freedom). It might not be the best supported solution although it isn't the fault of the developers. And in some ways it actually is the best supported distribution out there because at least one company fully backs it with an entire product lineup. The problem is the people and companies whom you communicate with. Stop communicating and start contributing to the solution!

If you want something half respectable ThinkPenguin has real laptops which are the most respecting of users freedoms available and you can actually get stuff done without any dependence on Microsoft, Adobe, Google, etc. You can be more than a consumer with a freedom respecting device. Not so with MS Windows 8 device, Google devices, or your ohh so cool iDevices.

Another kick in the balls for Intel. Thanks ARM! (3, Interesting)

water-and-sewer (612923) | about a year ago | (#42448755)

Yes I know, Chipzilla is doing just fine, thankyaverymuch. But think about it: about 10 years ago we thought AMD would be the big challenger that would compete with Intel and reduce the Wintel monopoly. But AMD only did that semi-effectively. Yes it helped control costs (God help us to think what we'd be paying for computers these days if Intel were allowed to set its prices in a world without competition). But Android on ARM, some netbooks not long ago, and now Chromebooks seem to be the ones challenging the dominant computing paradigm. That means ARM has actually been the chip(s) that is currently causing the folks at Intel to sweat a little bit. Interesting times we live in.

Re:Another kick in the balls for Intel. Thanks ARM (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42448819)

For either $200 or $300 you can get an Asus Chromebook with an Intel Celeron and a big hard drive. Or you can stick with the ARM devices. Lots of choices.

Re:Another kick in the balls for Intel. Thanks ARM (1)

dragonquest (1003473) | about a year ago | (#42448939)

AMD did one very important thing though. It made people realize that Intel is not a given, there are alternatives. Before K5 and K6 processors, the only choice people thought existed was choosing between P-I and P-II.

It's just the price (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42448769)

So the number 1 selling machine is also the cheapest one... during Christmas, now that every kid and his grandma' wants a device to check Facebook... BIG SURPRISE!

I remember the same thing happened when the first netbooks arrived with Linux at a very cheap price-point. What happened after a few months? The price dropped for the Windows netbooks and we all remember the rest.

Doesn't surprise me that much (5, Insightful)

jimicus (737525) | about a year ago | (#42448773)

This doesn't surprise me for a number of reasons:

  - There have also been plenty of prime-time ads for Chromebooks on TV - at least in the UK, and I imagine elsewhere.

  - IME, most people don't really like Windows, they see it as a necessary evil. The advent of smartphones and tablets has very efficiently demonstrated that it's no longer necessary.

  - Why don't people like Windows? There's a number of reasons, but most of them relate to incomprehensible and/or nonsensical error messages, a death-by-a-thousand-cuts of other expenses you pretty much have to incur like antivirus software, cheap hardware that's so damn nasty it doesn't look very cheap once you start trying to use it and dealing with the fallout when despite all of that you still click on the wrong thing and need to get someone in to fix it. (Yes, I know Android, iOS and ChromeOS are all hypothetically susceptible to similar issues. But the important point is they're not being actively exploited today).

  - What is the recommended fix for these issues? Go out and buy the next version of Windows! (Which many people automatically assume means "buy a new PC", even if that's not true. You'd be surprised how many people honestly have no idea that you can replace Windows with a different version or even with something else entirely).

  - Google has carved out an extremely strong brand. People see the word Google and associate it with finding what they want quickly and easily with a minimal amount of bullshit getting in the way. Associate Google with a laptop that doesn't do any of the things people dislike about Windows and you have a very interesting product indeed.

The end of the rainbow is getting closer (2)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#42449051)

Maybe by then desktop will lose its meaning or be irrelevant, but many signals are pointing in the direction that in a not so far future will finally reach the year of Linux in the desktop. Is already the main OS for servers, supercomputers, mobile, computing devices [zdnet.com] in general (those last 2 mainly because Android), and not sure about embedded. And Chromebooks, Steam and Windows 8, among other factors, will be giving it a nice push this year.

The next debate probably will be that what is in the desktop (over the linux kernel) won't be a "traditional" linux desktop, KDE/Gnome and others will still be around, but the mainly used user interface/programs could be something not so native like android or html5 apps, but being Linux probably will be options to use what you prefer.

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