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That Link You Just Posted Could Cost You 300 Euros

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the good-luck-with-that dept.

The Internet 227

Nate the greatest writes "Do you like to tweet or share links to interesting news articles? According to a coalition of Irish newspapers, that makes you a pirate. The National Newspapers of Ireland has adopted a new policy. Any website which links to one of the 15 NNI member newspapers will have to pay a minimum of 300 Euros, with the license fee going up if you post more links. Note that this is not a fee to post an excerpt or some punitive measure for the copying of an entire article. No, the NNI wants to charge for links alone. It's almost as if this organization has no idea how the web works. Or maybe they have found an elaborate way to commit suicide."

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Here's a link for all of them (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454339)

http://www.nni.ie/v2/broad/index.php [www.nni.ie]
And yes, I'm truly an anonymous coward.

Re:Here's a link for all of them (5, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | about a year ago | (#42454447)

The notion is that the owner of the website would have to pay for such links... It would be up to the website to extract payment from its users... Which, in the case if one that permits anonymous comments, is not possible, and the website would assume liability.

it's absurd, and can't be enforced outside of their own jurisdiction.

Re:Here's a link for all of them (4, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | about a year ago | (#42454703)

Well, they can say what they like on their web site's terms and conditions [goreyguardian.ie], like:

"Hypertext links to this website by other users and websites are permitted provided that the link to this website is in a simple list of companies by pointing to Goreyguardian.ie's home page http://www.goreyguardian.ie./ [www.goreyguardian.ie] This limited licence entitles other users and websites to link to Goreyguardian.ie's home page only, and linking to other content on or information in this website is prohibited without Goreyguardian.ie's express written consent. "

That doesn't make it enforceable law, though.

Re:Here's a link for all of them (5, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#42454715)

I doubt it can be enforced anywhere. It's a policy made by a group of organizations, and has as much legal status as you and I deciding that ginger chicks have to flop their norks out if we whistle the first line of "Dixie".

Re:Here's a link for all of them (4, Funny)

Spectre (1685) | about a year ago | (#42454819)

[...] has as much legal status as you and I deciding that ginger chicks have to flop their norks out if we whistle the first line of "Dixie".

Finally, legislation I can agree with!

Re:Here's a link for all of them (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42455527)

What is a ginger chick and a nork?

I am so confused.

Re:Here's a link for all of them (5, Insightful)

pclminion (145572) | about a year ago | (#42454759)

Why are you posting links to these jackasses? If they want to vanish into obscurity because nobody is permitted to link to (a.k.a. mention) them, why not let them die?

Re:Here's a link for all of them (5, Informative)

Pieroxy (222434) | about a year ago | (#42455081)

We'll show them the light ! Here they are, all of them in all their glory:

http://www.independent.ie/ [independent.ie]
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ [irishexaminer.com]
http://www.irishtimes.com/ [irishtimes.com]
http://www.thestar.ie/ [thestar.ie]
http://www.herald.ie/ [herald.ie]
http://www.independent.ie/ [independent.ie]
http://www.sundayworld.com/ [sundayworld.com]
http://www.businesspost.ie/ [businesspost.ie]
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/fr/viewer.aspx [pressdisplay.com] (they don't even have a website, how funny)
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/ [farmersjournal.ie]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html [dailymail.co.uk]
http://www.mirror.co.uk/ [mirror.co.uk]
http://www.thesun.ie/ [thesun.ie]
http://www.mirror.co.uk/ [mirror.co.uk]
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/ [thesundaytimes.co.uk]
http://www.thesun.co.uk/ [thesun.co.uk]

Most of them don't even have an irish dedicated website. They are pathetic. It's like passing a decree that makes people owing me $300 if they ever whisper my name in their car. There. Be warned.

Re:Here's a link for all of them (3, Interesting)

jc42 (318812) | about a year ago | (#42455155)

Why are you posting links to these jackasses?

Hey, it's a real service to some of us webmasters. We can now add a little routine to our servers that scans everything send, looks for these URLs, and when it finds them, changes them to a random item from a list of URLs. For that list, we need someone to build a site that provides the URLs for things like rickrolls, goatses, etc., and keeps it up to date.

With the help of this little list, we can probably cut way down on their incoming traffic. But we need to pass the word to other webmasters, and bring as many sites into "compliance" as we can manage.

(It might also help if the owners of the sites on this list would send us lists of their main competitors, so we can make "relevant" redirections of the URLs that they don't want us to tell people about.)

Re:Here's a link for all of them (2)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#42455225)

Why not post links? Its the best way to invoke the Streisand Effect [wikipedia.org] so that dog plus world can educate them on just how stupid their plan is. The sooner they get bitchslapped in court the better. The sooner they try to take someone to court the better. The farther they have to reach to take someone to court the better.

If they want a pay wall let them put up a pay wall instead of simply declaring one exists and threatening to charge money.

Re:Here's a link for all of them (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454797)

http://www.nni.ie/v2/broad/index.php [www.nni.ie]
And yes, I'm truly an anonymous coward.

Best look out for email from one of these addresses (from nni.ie):
NNI People

Matt Dempsey - Chairman
- no email provided -

Frank Cullen - Co-Ordinating Director
fcullen@cullencommunications.ie

Ann Marie Lenihan - Communications and Public Affairs Manager
amlenihan@cullencommunications.ie

Anna Clarke - Advertising and Marketing Manager
aclarke@cullencommunications.ie

Enda Buckley - Environment Officer
ebuckley@cullencommunications.ie

Re:Here's a link for all of them (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#42454837)

I didn't know there was an Irish edition of the Star, although I can hardly believe there is a UK one. How do rags like that keep going when their primary attraction (boobs) is available for free on the internet? Boobs are a commodity, it's not like theirs are somehow better than the internet ones.

Re:Here's a link for all of them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42455051)

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/love-sex/lets-write-about-sex-3295126.html

It's such fine prose!

Link please (4, Funny)

DarthBling (1733038) | about a year ago | (#42454347)

Anybody have a link to one of the 15 NNI member newspapers?

Re:Link please (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454453)

Irish Independent
Irish Examiner
The Irish Times
Irish Daily Star
Evening Herald
The Sunday Independent
Sunday World
The Sunday Business Post
Irish Mail on Sunday
Irish Farmers Journal
Irish Daily Mail
Irish Daily Mirror
Irish Sun
Irish Sunday Mirror
The Sunday Times
Irish Sun Sunday

Re:Link please (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454469)

Surely they'll pay me to spread their ad supported webpages?

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Re:Link please (0)

timeOday (582209) | about a year ago | (#42454549)

Shucks, I thought you were going to ask for a link to confirm this flimsy story, which is apparently based on somebody's blog. It really doesn't add up. Unless there is some bad Irish law regulating linking, the worst this could be is some company asking for money, and perhaps backing it up by trying to break inbound links that aren't licensed (which has been tried before, but I think without great success).

Re:Link please (1)

MrLint (519792) | about a year ago | (#42454579)

Well you might ask someone for a link to the newspapers for their own policy, but someone would have to pay to give it to you.

Re:Link please (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454685)

RTFA [mcgarrsolicitors.ie]

You can read about this story in the New York Observer,on Techcrunch, on Techdirt or, if you prefer not to look to the international press you can turn to Michael McDowell’s news source of choice Broadsheet.ie. But, apparently, it isn’t a story for Irish newspapers.

never underestimate the fenian scum (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454349)

the irish are known for being backwards for a reason

commence your american led declaration that you're all irish in some way (even obama) then wonder why you are as fucked up as you are

Re:never underestimate the fenian scum (0, Flamebait)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#42454779)

I remember one claiming to be "half Irish, half German and half Polack".

No fucking surprise he weighed 300 pounds.

Those who forget the past... (2)

the biologist (1659443) | about a year ago | (#42454351)

And since they're not just going after Google, they will be even faster to change their policy once they start sending out the license fee requests and actually get peoples' attention.

Re:Those who forget the past... (4, Informative)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year ago | (#42454489)

1. Bigger entities have tried going after google only to fail, google can just exclude the links, or if worse comes to worse blacklist Ireland (not likely they have tax entities there I think)

2. The only point of this article I really care about is that they're lobbying for this, which doesn't mean shit usually no idea how this made the news.

3. By doing this they'd encourage people to copy paste their articles, strip out the sources, possibly change some wording and republish, at least with links they get web traffic for ads.

Re:Those who forget the past... (2)

jimicus (737525) | about a year ago | (#42455315)

1. Bigger entities have tried going after google only to fail, google can just exclude the links, or if worse comes to worse blacklist Ireland (not likely they have tax entities there I think)

They most certainly do have tax entities in Ireland; Ireland has one of the lowest rates of corporation tax in Europe. As a result, Google (Europe) invoices their customers via an Irish company.

Of course, Google can deal with this in two ways. They can either pay NNI their licensing fee or they can remove all Irish media from search results. I can very well see Google doing the latter.

Maybe they're charging for endorsement? (2)

pikine (771084) | about a year ago | (#42454541)

The website for Women's Aid linked to stories on the newspaper's website mentioning Women's Aid, as if the news stories are some form of endorsement. Maybe that's what the newspapers are charging for. It is not the same like Google or blogs bringing visitors to the newspaper.

Brilliant! (2)

Highland Deck Box (2786087) | about a year ago | (#42454361)

A newspaper (that depends on people reading it and it's website) punishing people for reading it or discussing it's stories via the internet and links. I can't see any flaws in this plan.

Re:Brilliant! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454505)

The correct spelling is "brillant [thedailywtf.com]".

ha haw (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454373)

hahaha. ha. hahah. lol. haha hahaahahahahahhahhahhahhhahahahahhahahahahahahsahahahahhahahhahhahah

Well that's easy (5, Insightful)

Lorens (597774) | about a year ago | (#42454377)

Google won't want to pay, so Google won't post a link to their sites. Ever. Anywhere.

Re:Well that's easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454585)

I already know how they will react, too!

Newspapers: "But that's not FAIR!!!"

We've already seen this story. This is just a re-run.

Re:Well that's easy (3, Insightful)

eth1 (94901) | about a year ago | (#42454659)

Is there some law that would force Google to pay? Otherwise, if they don't have an existing agreement, I would think they'd just file the bills in the circular filing cabinet under the desk. And maybe report them for some kind of fraud for sending out bogus bills?

Or is this just another case of "pay our 'fee' or we sue" extortion?

Pay-Per-Click (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454393)

I think whoever explained the pay-per-click model to them has gotten it backwards

Re:Pay-Per-Click (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#42454965)

I did. They paid me big money for my services.

I basically told them that Minitel was a great idea in the wrong hands and that they could do it right. They are actually trying to create their own internet and they beleive in it.

-Dr. Clotaire Rapaille

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel [wikipedia.org]

Does anyone have a list so that we can all post (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454401)

them hundreds of times today?

This looks like a simple minded (Irish) way to get a lot of links posted for free.
Being of Irish extraction (hence anonymous), I can understand how awesome this idea must have seemed ... after a few drinks.

Hey, did anyone see Ireland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454405)

It just, like, sort of vanished... in to mid-air.

Oh well. Bye I guess.

Re:Hey, did anyone see Ireland? (3, Funny)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year ago | (#42455391)

That has nothing to do with Google, I heard on Onion News that Apple are rearranging geography to suit their maps.

Perhaps... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454419)

Perhaps they could just stop connecting their servers to the web? That way they they don't risk that anyone actually reads any of their articles

Rubbish - If it's on the web (1)

presidenteloco (659168) | about a year ago | (#42454421)

its linkable

Re:Rubbish - If it's on the web (5, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | about a year ago | (#42454557)

Its definable, not necessarily linkable, beyond the domain name.

Its pretty trivial to make a dynamic website, for the sake of example, moronirishnewspaper.com and all the links on that are random numbers which are mapped to the the real story. Then every minute or whatever add new links and destroy the links that are more than 30 minutes old. So MIN.com/123456.html points to the most recent blarney competition, but in an hour, that URL will be deleted and/or repointed to goatse or whatever instead of the original story.

One amusing thing you can do, if you rotate every minute and keep the last 60 links around for an hour, is trivially analyze how long someone's been on the site and/or how long between clicks. You can also get all "top sekrit" security by obscurity and give different random number links to each subscriber, so if you see a link out in the wild, you know exactly who released it and when and what it was linked to. Other than that, it is a pretty moronic stunt or experiment. Why yes, I have done some pretty bizarre things solely for the F of it in the past 20 years.

re: dynamic links (1)

presidenteloco (659168) | about a year ago | (#42454637)

I didn't mean that the link would necessarily work. (Take you to content). Just that the act of linking to a published http url on on the world wide web must be considered a legal act.

The name "World Wide Web" implies this. This was the fundamental intent of the core technology that has enabled the mainstream and worldwide use of the Internet.
Either the web as a whole is illegal, or linking to whatever links are published must be legal. Anything else is not practically administrable, is prima face ridiculous, and must be considered a nullity by any competent legal jurisdiction.

Re:Rubbish - If it's on the web (2)

hawaiian717 (559933) | about a year ago | (#42454833)

I think you're trying too hard. All you have to do is replace the site with a Flash applet. Or for extra awesomeness, use Java instead. Now the only functional hyperlinks will be to the main page that loads the applet, which will load their content cover page, and all article content is accessed there, within the applet. Plus since the content won't be searchable, the won't have to worry about Google and friends providing links directly to their site.

Or they can just do what brain-dead mobile site developers do and redirect all incoming links that don't have a referrer of their own site back to the home page.

Re:Rubbish - If it's on the web (1)

vlm (69642) | about a year ago | (#42455007)

Yes that'll work. My insane link farm idea (from more than a decade ago) was sort of a psuedo MUD / text adventure on the net, with the idea that you decide if your instance is private, group, or public based on how you publicize "your" url or not. With the added metagame that instead of using sensible 128 bit hashes or whatever, I intentionally made the urls small and human enough that a devoted lunatic could randomly skip around and hit something once in a while, see whats going on. Needless to say, never deployed, although it was hilarious to design and implement.

It was originally inspired by stories in the news (at that time) of big companies doing things like embedding account numbers in URLs and then issuing easily guessable sequential account numbers to all users... hmm what could possibly go wrong...

In practice given the hardware of the era I basically made a machine that could DOS itself with practically no users. Maybe now it would work.

Re:Rubbish - If it's on the web (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42455087)

You are trying way too hard. All you have to do is load all of the articles with ajax. It takes extra effort to link directly to pages that have state (read, hash tags).

Links, such as these: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454431)

http://www.herald.ie/news/mums-fears-as-son-misses-own-birthday-3340444.html
http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/01/02/cork-spends-300000e-collecting-house-fee/
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/heineken-cup/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/
http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/healey-gallery.php
http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/sw-irish-crime.php?aid=13949

I make that 1800 euro and you can go f*** yourselves.

Re:Links, such as these: (1)

mark-t (151149) | about a year ago | (#42454493)

Actually, that fee would end up coming from slashdot, if it were actually enforceable outside Ireland

Re:Links, such as these: (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#42455099)

No, I don't get those link as clickable so I would have to cut and paste and no referrer from /. would be sent to their server.

It just made me think about a small script that would request their pages and fake referrers from various sites the attacker wishes to get into rouble with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer [wikipedia.org]

Re:Links, such as these: (1)

Gresyth (1103851) | about a year ago | (#42455049)

http://www.herald.ie/news/mums-fears-as-son-misses-own-birthday-3340444.html http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/01/02/cork-spends-300000e-collecting-house-fee/ [eveningecho.ie] http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/heineken-cup/ [independent.ie] http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/ [irishexaminer.com] http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/healey-gallery.php [theirishfield.ie] http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/sw-irish-crime.php?aid=13949 [sundayworld.com]

I make that 1800 euro and you can go f*** yourselves.

When you get the bill send THIS [amishrakefight.org] back to them.

Or the greatest SEO plan ever (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454483)

All the extra links will create a huge pagerank boost. That's worth quite a bit.

Content... (1)

redbeardcanada (1052028) | about a year ago | (#42454485)

They must have some really top notch content if they are worried about linking with only the summary threatening their business. I typically read articles for the insight and interpretation (the why and the how), not just the details of what happened when and where.

If they are actually providing some deeper level content they should want anything that links to their site (drives traffic, ad revenue, etc). Unless of course it is behind a paywall...

You Wouldn't Download a Potato (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454561)

Would you?

Hell, I'm impressed (4, Funny)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year ago | (#42454565)

I'm just impressed they were able to sober up enough to write the stories in the first place. They must have rounded up all five sober people in Dublin to pull that off.

Re:Hell, I'm impressed (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | about a year ago | (#42454807)

I'm just impressed they were able to sober up enough to write the stories in the first place. They must have rounded up all five sober people in Dublin to pull that off.

Didn't need to round them up. In Dublin the police keep all the sober people in jail to sleep it off. Else they wouldn't have enough room...

You have all been fooled. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454693)

This is all just a big ploy to get us to go to their publications websites and get us to link to them....earning them more clicks, page views etc.

We have all been duped!

Get rich quick (5, Funny)

paiute (550198) | about a year ago | (#42454697)

Their next scheme: billboards covered with giant tarps. You have to pay them to unroll the tarp and show you the ad. Brilliant!

Re:Get rich quick (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42455195)

Their next scheme: billboards covered with giant tarps. You have to pay them to unroll the tarp and show you the ad. Brilliant!

It's a tarp!

Car analogy (4, Insightful)

Andrio (2580551) | about a year ago | (#42454707)

It's like a car dealership sueing anyone that shares the street address of the car dealership.

Re:Car analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454943)

no it is more like the car dealership suing anyone who tells their friends about the car dealership.

I see no problem with this (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about a year ago | (#42454751)

They clearly don't want to be in business anymore, and who are we to stop them? I wish them the greatest success in their... um... endeavours.

This is really dumb. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454781)

Posting a link to someones article is like saying "The store down the street has a good deal on ...". Is that stealing? Its more like free advertising.

Those who forget the past ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454813)

This sounds like that "No Deep Linking my website" crap again. Hasn't that been to court more than a few times?
Who won?

Re:Those who forget the past ... (1)

Shrike Valeo (2198124) | about a year ago | (#42455061)

Depends where you look, google finds me various cases that win or lose.

I can see the validity in not wanting users to potentially completely circumvent their advertising, knocking off revenue, however don't some sites have advertisements for a discounted, for example, so you go to that product on it's site, have a look, then maybe see what else is on offer?

They are getting free advertising to some extent, and with users these days wanting minimal effort (would you rather copy and paste or search for the content, especially on a phone / tablet? I thought not..) they shouldn't be clamping down on a nation of speed readers..

It will cost them more than 300 Euros (1)

overmoderated (2703703) | about a year ago | (#42454817)

If we all decide to boycot this nonsense and not visit their website at all. That will be 0 hits, 0 revenue. Catch my drift? Maybe they don't understand the "Inter" word in Internet.

Nonsense, UNEFORCEABLE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454867)

As a Swiss Roman Lawyer also familiar with ASCL (TNLA CYOL), you have to prove and quantify damages to recover under tort, linking \IS NOT USE, tell anybody, expecially in Europe, where the looser pays costs, to go piss up a rope!

MFG, omb

Google.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454869)

Nah... Google would just setup a company in the Caymen's that all of the links would go to instead. Then that one company in the Caymen's would just redirect the traffic to the Irish URLs.

See? No NNI links in Google.

Hey, if it is good enough for avoiding US taxation, it is good enough for this.

NNI's submission to Copyright Review (5, Informative)

qwe4rty (2599703) | about a year ago | (#42454889)

I was skeptical when I first read this submission so I did some digging around and found the National Newspapers of Ireland's submission to the Copyright Review Committee here [www.djei.ie]. I'm dumbfounded

The Consultation Paper, at page 48, briefly discusses the issue of linking and goes on to provide for a proposed amendment to existing copyright legislation to provide that the offering of a link on a page on the internet is not an infringement of copyright law. The underlying rationale set out by the Consultation Paper in this section is misconceived and we do not accept as being based on fact.

Section 6.3 of the Consultation Paper provides that Courts, (although it does not specify which Courts) are increasingly concluding that a link, by itself, should never be seen as a publication, reproduction or communication of the content to which it refers, even where that content is an infringement of copyright. The NNI takes serious exception to the statement included in the Consultation Paper that “the fact that links make access to that content straightforward does not change the reality that a link, by itself, is content neutral.” "

It is the view of NNI that a link to copyright material does constitute infringement of copyright, and would be so found by the Courts.

Just when you thought people couldn't get any stupider...

how to pay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42454927)

how are people in the United States of America supposed to pay The National Newspapers of Ireland? Can we write them a check drawn from U.S. Bank Corp? Send them a Moneygram or international money order? Just asking. I don't see any option of sending them a payment via postal mail. Maybe I looked in the wrong place.

Re:how to pay? (1)

Matt.Battey (1741550) | about a year ago | (#42455089)

The USPS has the facility for international money orders. (https://www.usps.com/shop/money-orders.htm) Handy when doing international business in small amounts. Otherwise, direct-wire transactions are available through most banks.

Wait, wait, wait... (1)

Matt.Battey (1741550) | about a year ago | (#42455067)

I thought someone else linking to your content was a good thing, as it pushes business your way, free advertising and all.

Well duh? (5, Funny)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | about a year ago | (#42455163)

It's almost as if this organization has no idea how the web works.

Wow, they sound like people from that old and expensive form of media.
You know, those things that are all dying out because they're no longer needed?
Hmm, what were they called again?

According to a coalition of Irish newspapers

Ohh, that's right, newspapers! Haha, man, that sure takes me back.

sum of all fears (3, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#42455185)

Any website which links to one of the 15 NNI member newspapers will have to pay a minimum of 300 Euros

Any website?

1) Go onto each member of the cartel^H coalition's site .
2) Find therein a comment board and post a metric bucketload of links to all of the others.
3) ...
4) Eat popcorn.

To illustrate the technical idiocy... (3, Funny)

Shuntros (1059306) | about a year ago | (#42455209)

I decided, having had a couple of stiff ones (drinks) this evening, to drop them a line via the website in an attempt to contribute a tiny amount of sanity and/or education.

Unfortunately I was told my email could not contain anything other then [0-9|a-z] IN THE BODY and due to my use of punctuation I was not allowed to email them. I was going to "correct" my correspondence, but the I thought "fuck it, I've got work tomorrow", and I have a glass of wine and 2/3 of a frankly very good cigar to do in.

DNS disconnect? (2)

TooTechy (191509) | about a year ago | (#42455237)

If one argued that DNS is the root of all web links then perhaps that too should be removed. That would show them how to completely disconnect them from the web.

Who want to get excessive on their butts?

You clever bastards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42455269)

They're pulling a Reverse Streisand! There's no better way to increase traffic to your site than telling people not to post links!

I am a pirate. (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#42455303)

Because I download copyrighted material.

Sharing links is like sharing addresses. If I tell you that house on the corner of Main St. & Spring Ave is a crack house, did I break the law?

Just because you have a link to something doesn't mean you are going to use it. Or that what the link points to is actually even what it says it is, or is even still to a viable file.

Of course, most of us know that, but law makers don't seem to, and their lobbyist are probably paying them enough money not to care.

Seems more like it makes them the pirate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42455325)

TYped some more to make the filter happy

They're clueless (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42455335)

"Any website which links to one of the 15 NNI member newspapers will have to pay a minimum of 300 Euros"

They're completely clueless as to not just how the web works but how international law works. Most web sites are NOT in their jurisdiction. They can't enforce this. I would simply ignore them. And I would make a point of NEVER going to Ireland, etc so I'll never be in their jurisdiction. It's a filthy little country that my ancestors fled generations ago.

Maybe Ireland could collect taxes from corps? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about a year ago | (#42455345)

Maybe if Ireland just collected taxes from Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and other internet firms that claim to be "arts" and locate themselves in Ireland, they wouldn't have to go after poor people to infill for rich people's tax avoidance?

Other nations have print media subsidies. Smart online papers provide buffered news service - realtime or developing to subscribers, time delayed or AP wire to non-subscribers. It's not hard.

Flailing upward (1)

WaffleMonster (969671) | about a year ago | (#42455409)

This is a shining example of why every effort must be made to shitcan any certified mental cases in positions of authority within your organization before it is too late.

It is ok to throw the ethics rulebook out the window without regard for who it may fall on if it gets the batshit crazy idiots in your company fired.

Oh yeah? (1)

firewrought (36952) | about a year ago | (#42455531)

Well I'm going to post links to Irish newspapers and charge them $300 per click-thru. If they don't like it, they don't have to respond to HTTP requests with my referrer URL.

Oh, and I'm also hitting them with a one time € 1,000,000 idiot fine. Failure to pay fine will result in confiscation of all assets that belong to NNI, its members and their subsidiaries, as well as the personal property of all high-level executives working for same.

Making sh*t up is fun. Making legal sh*t up is fun and (given all the lawyers I see) very profitable.

I have a store (1)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | about a year ago | (#42455541)

and sometimes I have sales. It turns out that most of my customers that come in during my sales heard about the sale by word of mouth.

How to I sue all those people infringing on my sale by telling others about it?

NNI should be the liable party (5, Insightful)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about a year ago | (#42455543)

If they don't want people linking to them, the should set up an Apache Redirect Rule for all Get Requests that have a Foreign site as the Referrer.

Silencing free speech and expression with lawsuits when you can easily curtail that behavior on your own should be seen as unconscionable and any such lawsuit dismissed, with any fees associated in the defense against those claims rewarded to the defendant.

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