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Nokia N9: the World's Most Underrated Smartphone?

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the single-minded dept.

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jrepin writes "Eighteen months ago, Nokia announced a smartphone unlike any other it has produced before. It was a proper smartphone, one that looked miles away from previous Nokia phones: it was sleek, modern and simple at the same time. The hardware was pretty modern, too; no underpowered processors with severely limited RAM issues to be seen here. And, it runs on an operating system that Nokia had announced dead months before the phone's announcement. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the Nokia N9."

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This... is Zombo Com... (5, Funny)

TWX (665546) | about 2 years ago | (#42461503)

... you can do anything at Zombo com, the only limitation is yourself...

Welcome to Zombo Com!

Re:This... is Zombo Com... (2, Insightful)

TWX (665546) | about 2 years ago | (#42461619)

Interesting... Modded down when the point was to satirize the very writeup itself with the reference to the website that satirized the claims and promotions of the dotcom era...

Damn Microsoft (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461543)

They've ruined Nokia. I loved my N900 and was planning on buying the N9 for both my wife and I, but then they shot Meego in the head. I'm OK with Android, but really loved having full GNU/Linux/X access on my phone.

While Ubuntu has made some mis-steps, I still am greatly looking forward to running Ubuntu Phone on my Galaxy Nexus.

Re:Damn Microsoft (-1, Offtopic)

SpryGuy (206254) | about 2 years ago | (#42461657)

I have the Nokia 920. It's pretty awesome. One of the best screens available on any phone combined with one of the best cameras available on any phone. And WP8 is pretty nice too, so far. Great on-screen keyboard and far better auto-correct than iPhone.

Re:Damn Microsoft (-1, Troll)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#42461733)

Thanks for the ad.

Re:Damn Microsoft (0, Insightful)

SpryGuy (206254) | about 2 years ago | (#42461809)

Not an ad. Jesus Christ, it's relevant (not off topic, it's about Nokia and a direct response to the parent), and just an honest assessment of the phone I bought.

Re:Damn Microsoft (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462023)

You're on Slashdot, a small community of 45 numberred users, 55 Anonymous Trollers, and 7000 sock puppet accounts. In this exclusive community, Microsoft is EVIL(TM)(C) (they trademarked the all-caps evil), Apple is a Freudian construct out of Steve Jobs's insecurities, Linus Torvail is The Prophet, and Google is the Sacred Company.

As such, speaking any good of anything from Microsoft means you must be a paid advertiser.

Re:Damn Microsoft (1, Funny)

Jedismj (1751730) | about 2 years ago | (#42462191)

Micro$oft is EVIL... Get it right!

Re:Damn Microsoft (1)

r1348 (2567295) | about 2 years ago | (#42462683)

I assume you belong to the Anonymous Trollers...

Re:Damn Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42463041)

I've been trying to formulate a nice +5 Troll or +5 Flamebait, I often get carried away with either simple humor that gets a positive Funny or accidentally making an intelligent point.

Re:Damn Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42463089)

Once Microsoft stops paying thousands of people to shill for them, we'll stop accusing people of being Microsoft shills.

Re:Damn Microsoft (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462635)

Yeah because someone who's looking for a full GNU Linux mobile would be very interested with Windows Phone.

Re:Damn Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42463227)

Not an ad.

It is an ad. No honest assessment of a phone is "awesome" (it's a fucking phone, not the starship enterprise); only shills and similar lowlifes use that word in the context of a product.

Re:Damn Microsoft (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461749)

Get back under your fucking bridge, you blatant M$ astroturfing butt-weasel-troll-creature.

Re:Damn Microsoft (0, Offtopic)

SpryGuy (206254) | about 2 years ago | (#42461833)

Take your meds. Seriously.

It was an on-topic reply to the parent, about my personal experience with Nokia phones. There's nothign "astroturf" about it. And *I'm* not the troll in this scenario, you are.

Grow up.

Re:Damn Microsoft (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462339)

On-topic in what regards? The article talks about the N9 and you about some Lumia 920. The article is talking about a full blown linux running on the mobile device, while you talk about a crippled version of a crappy OS. If you're not an advertiser, you fail at basic reading skills.

Re:Damn Microsoft (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462825)

Take your meds.

No, you fuck off with your stinking Astroturf, you filthy shill.

You and your kind are ruining online discussion. Anybody with a clue knows WP7/8 phones are boring, useless pieces of shit, but you pop up in every discussion with your blatant product endorsements.

You, and the company that employs you are scum.

Best camera is Nokia 808 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461857)

Chek that out, I'm amazed what they did with PureView (marketing term).

Re:Damn Microsoft (0, Flamebait)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#42461979)

Bullshit. It might might have been a nice screen 6 months ago maybe. 1080p is now available.

The camera might be nice, but we know you are shilling on the later points.

Re:Damn Microsoft (-1)

SpryGuy (206254) | about 2 years ago | (#42462111)

It's not bullshit really. Yeah, there are screens with a higher pixel count, but that's not the end-all, be-all of screen. This one can be used with gloves, and has an amazing refresh rate, and really bold colors, as well as having a higher pixel-density than the iPhone 4/4s's retina screen.

And I'm not just shilling. I'm giving my honest opinion as a user of both the iPhone 4, and now the Nokia 920. I cannot speak for other phones.

Re:Damn Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462391)

If you're not shilling, why do you keep comparing your shitphone with the iPhone, instead of, say, the phone this article is about? Do you realise that nobody here actually cares about the iPhone either? Did you buy that UID on ebay?

Re:Damn Microsoft (2)

JustOK (667959) | about 2 years ago | (#42462585)

Maybe because

I cannot speak for other phones.

Re:Damn Microsoft (0, Flamebait)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#42462425)

When you compare a brand new device vs a years old one it looks like shilling and MS loves to shill. The iPhones have never been near the high end of pixel density. They like to claim that, but it has just never been true. Even an old HTC Rezound beats the iPhone and that Nokia you are talking about.

How exactly is 60hz amazing? I think that is pretty standard.

I believe you like your device, I just think you are being a bit unfair comparing it to such old devices. I just don't see myself buying into anyone's Walled Garden much less the MS version.

Re:Damn Microsoft (2)

SpryGuy (206254) | about 2 years ago | (#42462841)

I just don't see myself buying into anyone's Walled Garden much less the MS version.

And that's fine if that's your choice. I'm talking about the hardware, and that the OS itself doesn't suck at all.

And I have a free copy of Visual Studio for Windows Phone, and can side load any app I want to develop myself (and I do). So it's not *entirely* walled garden from my perspective.

But my point was that nothing "ruined Nokia". It's good, solid hardware, with a decent OS, that deserves to catch on at least as much as iOS, and that 3-way competition in this space is a Good Thing(tm).

I just think you (and others, including the original parent I originally replied to) are being a bit unfair to Nokia and WP8. If WP8 doesn't meet your needs/wants/desires, that's fine. But it's not "crap" any more than iOS or Android is. And the N9 running Meego might be awesome, but it simply doesn't have a future (I doubt Meego would have competed all that well in a full 4-way race, any more than Palm Pre did... even if HP didn't grossly mishandle it... hell WP8 is going to have a serious struggle at this point). And a Linux Phone might be popular in this forum, but I can't really imagine it being any more than a niche player in the greater consumer world.

Re:Damn Microsoft (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#42463655)

In that case you can claim the iPhone is not a walled garden. 99% of the software people want to sideload is not compiled by them. Nor will I pay protection money to be able to run my own code.

The OS still does not run skype properly because of design decisions, I call that suck.

I think by ruined Nokia they mean it is going out of business and Elop is why.

Re:Damn Microsoft (3, Informative)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#42461987)

I think you missed the GP's point entirely, there are tons of locked-down "toy computer" phones out there, the N900 was a handheld PC that you could run anything you want on.

Re:Damn Microsoft (-1, Troll)

SpryGuy (206254) | about 2 years ago | (#42462147)

So, ... I could run Office on it? *cough*

Re:Damn Microsoft (2)

ssam (2723487) | about 2 years ago | (#42462225)

libreoffice.

(Or MS Office, assuming you had the source code. I guess you could probably do it through Qemu and wine if you really wanted)

Re:Damn Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462329)

I have a link to easy debian and openoffice in my N900 application menu.

Being limited that MS office doesnt run on linux anyway I presume that answer your question.

Oh, and if you as so much desire you can also install NITDroid(android version 2.something) and Ubuntu on the N900. Its called proper multi-boot.

Re:Damn Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462453)

You're being awfully snarky for being such a huge know-nothing dumbass...

They booted *desktop OS X* (NOT iOS) on those things. Even Windows 98, just for fun. (Both in qemu and obviously slow.)
And Quake 3 with mouse and keyboard support, fully playable and everything. Not emulated.

Yes, this was a real personal computer. And unlike your Windows machine, was also used as one.
So the exact opposite of the fixed-function designed-for-retards appliances that iOS and Android rape such devices down to.

Re:Damn Microsoft (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about 2 years ago | (#42462579)

I forgot, was the the camera where the ads used "simulated images" or something? It was so good that they dare not show it on TV?

Re:Damn Microsoft (1)

tantrum (261762) | about 2 years ago | (#42463101)

I forgot, was the the camera where the ads used "simulated images" or something? It was so good that they dare not show it on TV?

If you knew anything whatsover about cameras, you'd notice that Nokia wasn't the first (or last) company to use professional cameras instead of the crappychips in cellphones for their advertising.

Re:Damn Microsoft (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 2 years ago | (#42462383)

Android + Root + BusyBox Pro + BotBrew give a really decent experience that you might like.

Re:Damn Microsoft (3, Insightful)

radish (98371) | about 2 years ago | (#42463757)

Nokia killed Nokia, Whilst they may have made products that appealed to you specifically, they were failing spectacularly in the wider smartphone market. Staying on the same path wouldn't have improved anything, they needed a major overhaul. I'm not saying that the MS deal will save them in the long term but clearly something had to change.

Re:Damn Microsoft (4, Insightful)

dropadrop (1057046) | about 2 years ago | (#42464391)

Nokia killed Nokia, Whilst they may have made products that appealed to you specifically, they were failing spectacularly in the wider smartphone market. Staying on the same path wouldn't have improved anything, they needed a major overhaul. I'm not saying that the MS deal will save them in the long term but clearly something had to change.

Had problems deciding if I should mod you up or respond, but here goes... It's true they had to do something, but they actually already did now and then. The N9 for example was different and people liked it; so they did not sell it to people or make a new model out of it. They where already doing things, but they killed everything that could have saved them.

What really killed Nokia was the belief that years of good sales where due to them being so damn good. Internal competition combined with that attitude caused them to stagnate. "This is what they want, so we'll just keep doing the same thing over and over again". It's a perfect example of how middle management can kill a company...

So will MS phone save them? How could it? Phone manufacturing is outsourced, operating system is outsourced... The only thing left is what killed them in the first place. They might get something to work, but it will never be the same as before.

Re:Damn Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42464457)

While they lost market share because other players entered the smartphone market they had increasing sales and were profitable. They start failing spectacularly only after they declared Symbian dead and switching to windows phone which still sells less than Symbian even after Symbian sales crashed. Before switching to Windows Phone they had a credible plan for the future: Transition Symbian developers to Qt which would have offered a clear upgrade path to MeeGo for high end smartphones (and later meltemi for low end). The N9 also was good enough to appeal to the wider smartphone market. Much better than any windows phone. Now all Symbian developers have switched to Android or iOS.

Re:Damn Microsoft (3, Informative)

jonwil (467024) | about 2 years ago | (#42463797)

I have a N900 as my daily phone and I have yet to see any phone that comes close. I can (and do) use the touchscreen with a small-tipped stylus for greater accuracy, the hardware keyboard is the best I have ever used and I love the openness and hackability.

Fuck Nokia and Fuck Phones (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461575)

Who cares about this obvious fucking advertisement?

Fuck dice.com and their dumb corporate partners.

Re:Fuck Nokia and Fuck Phones (5, Insightful)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 2 years ago | (#42461701)

Who cares about this obvious fucking advertisement?

Fuck dice.com and their dumb corporate partners.

If it's an advertisement, it's timed rather poorly. Unless it's supposed to gin up sales on used phones.

Re:Fuck Nokia and Fuck Phones (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#42462181)

I wish it was an advertisement ... I'd buy one. They way it's looking right now, I'll probably buy a Nexus 4 if I can manage to get my hands on one. If Ubuntu gets a decent Linux phone out soon enough without screwing it up I might buy one of those.

Re:Fuck Nokia and Fuck Phones (4, Informative)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 2 years ago | (#42461731)

An advertisement for a phone you can't buy anymore? Are you taking your meds?

Why I didn't care, (5, Interesting)

paladinsama (1831732) | about 2 years ago | (#42461627)

21 Months ago Nokia announced that my digital purchases were no longer available for me to use. This is why I never cared for the N9.

Re:Why I didn't care, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462795)

Being on Slashdot, and not knowing that that was just *imaginary* property and *not real*, and that if one lives in a fantasy world, and obeys the criminal artificial scarcity of the organized crime, shit like that happens... Boo-fuckin'-hoo. Hand in your geek card, or I'll have to shoot you.

Re:Why I didn't care, (1)

paladinsama (1831732) | about 2 years ago | (#42464365)

I knew it was imaginary property just like my Steam purchases, or any other digital purchases I have made. But that doesn't mean I will have to deny myself the option to get it if I like it. And then be angry with a company and never deal with them again if they stop supporting something before a time I could think to be reasonable.

Re:Why I didn't care, (1)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42462799)

well, thank stephen elop, and his buddies back at the mothercop(microsoft)

otherwise meego would be running on more nokia devices instead of windows, and you'd still have support.

Re:Why I didn't care, (1)

paladinsama (1831732) | about 2 years ago | (#42463421)

I'm not sure if I can blame Elop about this.
Nokia announced that they were closing the NGAGE market and replacing it with the OVI market in October 2009, it was mentioned there was going to be a migration process and that by October 2010 the NGAGE website was going to be closed and purchases transferred to the new system. Elop started as the CEO for Nokia in September 2010 and by that date Nokia had enough time to prepare a migration process. The fact that they never worked out a transfer process and all purchases were lost on March 2011 when the authentication server was shut down seems to be a decision made before Elop took charge.
The thing is that I lost the games I bought on 2008 and 2009 for my Nokia N95 and I stopped buying anything from Nokia since that date.

It really is a pity it was killed (5, Informative)

CptPicard (680154) | about 2 years ago | (#42461631)

I own one, and it really is very nice. It's too bad Stephen Elop intentionally refused to have it sold in most major markets; I guess he wanted his precious WinPhones in people's pockets instead.

Where-ever it was sold however, I hear it did very well among enthusiasts such as myself. The UI has been marveled about by non-geeks when they've got to play with mine.

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (3, Informative)

Dynamoo (527749) | about 2 years ago | (#42461727)

It's quite often available on eBay for around €270 to €370 depending on model. However, if the N9 is a bit too mainstream for you, then there's the very rare Nokia N950, which is the developer's version with a slide-out QWERTY keyboard. The cheapest I've seen one of those is €750, with prices going up to over €2000 (!) which isn't bad for a device that was mostly given away for free to select developers.

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (2)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42462815)

the n950s were LEANT to devs, and not given.

They are illegal to sell, and ultra rare, with mabey around 400 of them existing in the wild.

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461937)

great jumpin jehosaphat
listen to your self
"I hear it did very well among enthusiasts such as myself"
do you have any idea what a marketing or sales Exec VP hears when he or she hears this ??

it translates to drop this dog as fast as possible

do you have any concept whatsoever about how many phones a compnay like nokia needs to sell ?
even an an answer that is correct to an order of magnitude ???

truly, there is nothing as self centered and oblivious to the needs of others as a slashdot nerd

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (2)

CptPicard (680154) | about 2 years ago | (#42462029)

As a Finnish guy who has been following Nokia since the 90s, yes I do have a pretty good idea.

The important part with enthusiasts is that the enthusiasts are early adopters and often developers. And I'd say that they can recognize a slick UI when they see one, and so can the rest of the population.

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (3, Insightful)

ThePhilips (752041) | about 2 years ago | (#42462287)

do you have any idea what a marketing or sales Exec VP hears when he or she hears this ??

it translates to drop this dog as fast as possible

Don't be an idiot. N9 is popular with enthusiasts because it is Linux based and well spec'ed. I was eyeing it too.

It never became "recommended" to normal users for the simple reason that Nokia announced drop of MeeGo OS about the same time as the N9 was released.

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (2)

Tridus (79566) | about 2 years ago | (#42462381)

Because selling Windows Phones is working out for them real well, right?

The enthusiast crowd itself isn't enough to sell anything, but when you have a product with mainstream AND enthusiast appeal, you're in good shape. Enthusiasts tend to talk to mainstream users, and having people "in the know" tell their less savvy friends that this phone is good helps it out, particularly if it's something that actually does appeal to them already.

The inverse is also true: having enthusiasts tell people that something sucks does not help it. Vista's reputation became toxic in the mainstream market because enthusiasts hated it and word spread outside that group. Windows 8 is facing similar problems now, and that poor reputation is carrying over to Windows Phone & Surface in a negative halo effect.

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (1)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42462837)

its still selling better than their windows phones.

going to an all windows shop was the biggest mistake nokia ever did. It might end the company.

Stephen Elop needs to never work as a corporate officer ever again.

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (2)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#42462881)

Stephen Elop needed his company to focus on the product line. He wasn't interested in selling a few million extra phones that would divert the transition. Once they decided MeeGo was a dead end, he had to face tremendous resistance from both employees and customers who didn't think it was a dead end. Look at the lead article.

I love the N9. N9 was really cool. MeeGo was cool. I wish Jolla nothing but the best with Sailfish. All that being said, Elop did the right thing for Nokia.

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (2)

Dr_Barnowl (709838) | about 2 years ago | (#42463501)

Elop did the right thing for Microsoft.

For Nokia, not so much. If they were ready to acknowledge that they couldn't go on with their own separate phone OS any more, they should have bitten the bullet, embraced Android, and done what Nokia do best - good hardware with good antennae.

Instead they were sold the pipe dream of remaining special and recapturing the market, which they were all too eager to buy into. A shame it was a tar baby. Microsoft will pick over the corpse of their corporation for the juicy bits in a few years.

Re:It really is a pity it was killed (1)

ninkonpoop (1612987) | about 2 years ago | (#42463223)

Purchased N9 due to excellent reviews despite Nokia's announcement of (Elop) killing Meego. It is easily one of the best phones Nokia has produced and after 7 years of loyal support, it will likely be my last Nokia purchase. While it's not a perfect phone, its marriage of software and hardware was exceptionally well executed. I could only dream what this phone could be like after multiple generations (ala iphone). It is sad that development of this phone and OS has evaporated along with its brilliant team and despite an enthusiastic user community, it doesn't seem enough to rekindle serious development. Everybody has packed their bags and moved on. I have already accepted that there will be no more firmware updates nor continued app development. It's hard to say as a loyal Nokia fan but I fear their best days are over as the Nokia/Windows debacle gives little hope.

Was TFA hosted on an N9? (4, Funny)

plover (150551) | about 2 years ago | (#42461645)

Because if so, it is the world's most overrated server.

Re:Was TFA hosted on an N9? (3, Funny)

Dynamoo (527749) | about 2 years ago | (#42461735)

Wow, I haven't seen the Slashdot effect in action for ages.

Re:Was TFA hosted on an N9? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 years ago | (#42462445)

"Coral cache anyone?"

Not that great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461689)

I had a N9. Its not that great or all that is made out to be in the summary.

It is an OK phone, the screen is small but responsive. But the apps were shitty as usual and the interface is the same old Nokia.

Easy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461695)

Because they were too late, just like Ubuntu Phone OS, Jolla, Tizen, Firefox OS...

Surprisingly Competitive (5, Informative)

Cassini2 (956052) | about 2 years ago | (#42461705)

According to communities dominate brands by Tomi Ahohen [blogs.com] , the poor N9 and the outdated Symbian are expected to outsell the great savior, the Lumia Windows Phone 8 at Nokia this quarter. Not too shabby.

I would keep the N9 on my resume.

its a shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461721)

yup nokia commited suicide when they killed off meego/Maemo, i was really hoping to get this phone, and then they killed meego.... all the developers went android and nokia was left alone in a corner and had smashed its own windows(tm) ... bad choice nokia....

Not underrated at all (4, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | about 2 years ago | (#42461753)

The N9 has actually been rated pretty highly by people that managed to get one, and it's done really well in the market for a phone that got absolutely no corporate support at all from Nokia. Elop sent it out to die, and it didn't.... which has only made the Lumia's sales performance look bad in comparison. (Not that the Lumia's sales performance needed any help to look bad.)

Re:Not underrated at all (1)

julf (323835) | about 2 years ago | (#42461897)

Agree - love mine, and they sold really well for the short time they were available. Yes, it has bugs - but mainly because they fired the development team before they had a chance to fix the bugs.

Re:Not underrated at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462421)

Agree, loved my N9. The interface was phone perfection!

I hope Jolla can replicate this on their handsets (and tablets, maybe?)

Re:Not underrated at all (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42463855)

As a former n900 owner and a current n9 owner, I still kinda like the previous interface better. And I really miss my physical keyboard. Such a shame the N950 had such a small release. But yes, I've been happy with both, and that's all I've ever heard from owners.

Already slashed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461755)

Are they running their server on a phone? yuck yuck yuck. Seriously, Nokia, stick to making great winter tires.

I still have one.... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461757)

... but I don't use it - I like my Lumia 920 (and 800 before that) way better than the N9. The N9 was innovative but it was buggy as hell - wifi drop outs, facebook and gtalk accounts would sign themselves off randomly, apps crashing etc. Heck the first time I turned on the phone and tried to update it via wifi it bricked due to the wifi drop out problem! Some of the problems were fixed when firmware PR1.2 came out but by that time it was no longer my daily driver, I didn't want another hack-a-thon just to get the phone to work - my reason for leaving non-Nexus Android in the first place. I *need* something that works without me having to hack something onto it.

I still keep the N9 as a monument of sorts though because it was pretty sleek - when it works properly.

Slashdotted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461769)

link, anyone?

Re:Slashdotted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462481)

What link?

No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461817)

"No".

Surprisingly uninteresting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461869)

I want the time i wasted reading this post back.

As a US N9 User... (5, Informative)

scorp1us (235526) | about 2 years ago | (#42461915)

I love the phone. It has some rough edges in the UI, but overall emotion = love. I have not felt that way since I got the Apple iPhone 2g. For the record I've used Android 2.3.5, 4.0 and iOS up to 4 as well.

What it does that your phone does not:
When not in a pocket or face-down it always shows the time. Always. This does not drain the battery at all.
Around the time are basic notifications - VM, facebook message, facebook notification, missed call. and there's a app for battery percentage.
My battery will last two whole days. And it completely charges in ~2 hours. Topping it off in a 1/2 ride to work in the car will keep the battery from going below 50% every day.

The swipe interface is good. You get 3 columns so swipe from the edge left/right between. Notification Feed (Facebook Twitter, RSS, etc) with weather at the top, a scrolling app icon list, and your running apps screen which shows 4 or 9 apps, which live-updates the screen. Swiping down from the top edge kills the app.
The top bar (battery indicator, WiFi, connctivity) etc is tap-able and you can change the state of what is on it. 2 taps to change your ring profile. (Android and iPhone are jarring because you have to pop to home and you have no idea if your app will be left running or killed)

All messaging services use the same messaging UI.

The phone never resets (my android did it a lot and iPhone did it occasionally)

What I don't like about it:
Some of the UI is layout less than optimally. For example in the dialer, if I bring up the number pad in-call I can't change speaker/mute without dismissing the number pad.
When reading items from my feeds list (in the application - like facebook) sometimes I get reset to the top of the list.
Lack of awesome apps. For the most part all your major services are supported by the phone and/or are free plugin download.I don't use many apps because the phone already does so much.
When calling voice mail, it shows you your voicemail number that you have to click on, rather than dialing it immediately.

What I wish:
I do wish for a dual core. it only does 720p video, and barely at that. Once in a while I'll get a force-close message but the app recovers by the time you get your finger over the button.
A better dialer UI. It's not a bad UI. It's just not "optimal".

I really like this phone and I look forward to trying Ubuntu's phone when this one dies.

Forgot to add (2, Funny)

scorp1us (235526) | about 2 years ago | (#42461935)

Unlike an iOS5 user, I have working maps. With traffic.

Re:Forgot to add (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 2 years ago | (#42462229)

Are nokia maps still updated for n9?

I know they're still updated for my symbian phone and I've been eyeballing a used N9 as my next phone when this one eventually dies.

Re:Forgot to add (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462363)

So far, yes.

Re:Forgot to add (1)

dugancent (2616577) | about 2 years ago | (#42462449)

I've had maps with traffic since iOS 3. There are dozens of apps on the AppStore.

Re:Forgot to add (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462773)

And I had maps with traffic on my Sony Ericsson K800. I made the Java app myself.

Re:As a US N9 User... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462749)

When not in a pocket or face-down it always shows the time. Always. This does not drain the battery at all.

Magic!

Also I'm surprised nobody has mentioned, the N9 has a rather unpleasant pentile display. That was the biggest turn off for me. Rose colored glasses now that it's dead?

Re:As a US N9 User... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462911)

> My battery will last two whole days.

Lol. Two whole days? Wow! So much? I don't even want to know how long an iDevice lasts then.

I'm used to "Everything under a week doesn't count". A week, at least, or I don't even look at it.

I wonder... (1)

andreyv (2754067) | about 2 years ago | (#42463697)

5+ years ago it was common for a phone's battery to last a week or more. I wonder, when did it become acceptable to have a device that you need to charge every (other) day?

Re:As a US N9 User... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42463215)

When not in a pocket or face-down it always shows the time. Always. This does not drain the battery at all.

I stopped reading at this point, because it is complete nonsense. My Android phone can show the time, always, when not in a pocket or face down. I'm pretty sure iOS could do the same. And both phones, just like yours, will drain the battery when doing so because it requires use of the display -- one of the most power-hungry parts of any phone.

Yes, it's AMOLED and so uses less power than some displays, but AMOLED displays are common on Android as well.

Your first positive is imaginary. I will assume your other positives are equally imaginary, and so I won't waste my time reading them.

good phone indeed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461939)

I have one and have been using it. the core system is really polished and the swipe ui is fantastic.

theres also a lot of community tweaks such as rotation lock and speedup.

biggest problem is the battery lasting shorter and shorter. also the browser is somewhat lacking.

Nokia is the new, old Apple (5, Interesting)

BravoZuluM (232200) | about 2 years ago | (#42461941)

Years ago, Steve Jobs was ousted by Apple's Board of Directors. He was replaced by, John Sculley, a proper CEO. Sculley had convinced Apple that he would sell a computer like a bottle of soda. He, of course, was wrong as were the following CEOs. It was only when Apple was selling at $12 a share and Apple was dead did the board bring back Jobs, his vision for the long term and the Next OS. The rest is history.

Nokia is repeating the mistakes of Apple. The Nokia board bought into the Elop burning platform. Never mind that Nokia was on the verge of a great break through in their adoption of a Linux based OS with a world class framework, Qt, to back it. Elop doesn't have the vision or the technical prowess to pull Nokia back from destruction. He is the captain of the Valdez. His oil rig is still burning and spewing oil. Maybe, just maybe, when Nokia is all but dead and irrelevant, a technically savvy CEO with a vision will come in and turn around Nokia. Until then, the N8 was my last Nokia phone.

Meego is an excellent OS platform. Had Nokia proceeded to stay the course, the N10 would have been a must have product.

Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#42463001)

Sculley had convinced Apple that he would sell a computer like a bottle of soda.

No he didn't. Scully had convinced Apple that the right path was high margin gradual shrinkage to a niche product line. He was focused on the Newton and the PowerPC project as the direction forward.

Never mind that Nokia was on the verge of a great break through in their adoption of a Linux based OS with a world class framework, Qt, to back it

No they weren't. If they were they board wouldn't have changed horses that radically. What Nokia was on the verge of was a series of interlocking conflicting plans which were unachievable with no solid product pipeline to create the revenue to fix the mess. Why is it so hard to believe that the board was right given that every insider has defended Elop's assessment?

Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42464095)

"Why is it so hard to believe that the board was right given that every insider has defended Elop's assessment?"

Because they were wrong. DEAD WRONG!
If you want another example of executive mistakes completely destroying a tech company, take a look at what happened to DEC. They missed the PC boat and were finally bought-out by Compaq.

Re:Nokia is the new, old Apple (2)

Grand Facade (35180) | about 2 years ago | (#42463509)

Maybe they were paid to squash it?

Just one missing thing (2)

gmuslera (3436) | about 2 years ago | (#42462033)

Physical Keyboard. The screen is superb, the swipe interface is the foundation of so many new mobile user interfaces, and have good memory/cpu/base OS. But the keyboard... thats what i miss from the N900, the one it have is not bad for being a touchscreen one, and you have a pretty translucent one for console in Fingerterm, but still not there. Too bad the N950 was just for (few) devels.

Anyway, could have a future, Nitdroid [nitdroid.com] enables to dual boot with Android (or run natively a few android games with Apkenv [maemo.org] ), and probably will be available for it Firefox OS, Sailfish and Ubuntu mobile.

Re:Just one missing thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42463643)

Other things missing:
- telescopic antenna
- 3 1/2" floppy drive
- rotary dial
- math co-processor
- SCSI interface

N9 = Amiga + 20 yrs. (2)

The Conductor (758639) | about 2 years ago | (#42464117)

The existence of things like the Nitdroid project and Jolla/Sailfish, plus the fact that N9 matched or possibly outsold the Lumia crud despite the massive disparity in corporate support, shows how good the technology was. The last time I saw this was...ooh it hurts to type this name...the Amiga. Commodore went under, not due to poor demand for the Amiga, which was profitable to the very end, but due to massive losses in PC clones that led them to credit default with their suppliers. They couldn't get parts to build Amigas anymore.

I hope that the prevalence of open source these days gives the keepers of the Meego flame more success then the Amigans had.

I have an N9 (2)

kurt555gs (309278) | about 2 years ago | (#42462309)

It;s wonderful. The interface is the best that has ever been made. Sad to see innovation die with Nokia.

N9 was an unambitous advance on N900 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462533)

When Nokia brought out the 770, also known as "the internet tablet", I bought one. It shifted paradigms, and I was very excited by it. (See Review: Nokia 770 [davidnewall.com] and Second Review of Nokia 770 [davidnewall.com] .) For the first time ever, I could walk the planet with the internet in my pocket, so to speak.

As if the software wasn't enough, the hardware was pretty special, too. Where all of the other brands sported quarter-VGA screens, the 770 had widescreen VGA.

When Nokia brought out the N900, I bought one. It was a little faster than the 770, and had more RAM, but the main advantage (apart from more mature software) was inclusion of a GSM/3G radio, thus I only needed to carry one device, and only had one battery to keep charged. The physical keyboard was handy, too, but the N900 wasn't revolutionary like the 770.

I only recently bought an N9, and the reason I upgraded was that shoddy N900 hardware was letting me down. The USB charging port broke off the circuit board two years ago (a common problem with N900), which I was living with. But one of the magnets on the battery cover fell out, and without it the firmware wont activate the removable MMC card. I couldn't find a replacement, and despite a statutory requirement to ensure spare parts are available, Nokia claim that they don't sell them. (Blatantly illegal, and it shows how far Nokia has slid.)

The reason I resisted upgrading until now was because there was no compelling case to upgrade. The miserly 54 extra pixels down the screen was irrelevant; and the software was, as far as I could tell, very equivalent.

Frankly, I'm disappointed that Nokia squandered their lead. When everybody else had QVGA, the 770 had WVGA. But then, when everybody else put HD screens on their phones, and Apple had their beautiful Retina display, Nokia still only had WVGA. Possibly it was worse than unambitious. Possibly it was stark complacency.

Before upgrading to N9 I thought seriously about switching to Samsung Galaxy SIII — a seriously nice bit of kit — but was put off by Android which, it seems to me, is not so different than Apple's little IOS walled-garden. I like my computers to run Linux. My ADSL modem does; my Wifi AP does; my notebook does; my servers do; and my old phone did. It's the reason why I've been able to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat so often, and I see no reason to give it up now. I know I can still get down to the Linux level on Android phones, but the available applications all work up at the byte-code level, and frankly, that doesn't please me.

Nokia could have recovered their lead; after all, they had Linux on their phone where everybody else had an immitation of Java (i.e. byte-code) but, no, they bought an ex-Microsoft executive who killed the product line, sacked the developers and sold off the intellectual property. In one fell swoop this man took Nokia from being king of the hill, with a highly vertically integrated product, to being an also-ran. Appearances are probably deceiving, but it does seem to be a most spectacular case of industrial sabotage.

David Newall

Nokia stll makes phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462995)

Just asking. I didn't even know that Nokia made a smartphone. I've seen Apple iPhones, Samsung, LG, and kyocera phones. I haven't seen a Nokia phone in ages. Come to think if it, I haven't seen a "bar" phone either.

N9 vs. iPhone (4, Funny)

TimHunter (174406) | about 2 years ago | (#42463467)

The N9 would smash an iPhone the way the Hulk smashed Loki. Pick it up by its leg and fling into the floor, left, right, left, right, leaving iPhone-sized dents in the floor, then grunt "Puny phone" and lumber away.

Of course the iPhone, being a god, would get up, shake itself off, and go on about its business plaguing the earth.

N770, N810 Lines (2)

gral (697468) | about 2 years ago | (#42463505)

I had the N770 and the N810. They could have used them as a base for great phones. I believe the N9 was a start in that direction. All they needed was to CONTINUE. Not scrap everything they had done, and go with MS. Luckily Google came in and showed them what could have been done.

Love (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42464169)

I love my N9, and since I can now pick them up used for ~$100, with 64GB flash I think my next phone will also be an N9 when this one wears out... worst decision ever by Nokia to scrap that project!

Nokia abandon Meego because operators didn't want (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42464349)

EOM

It's not underrated and here's why. (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | about 2 years ago | (#42464595)

Nokia is stupid.

We are beyond Symbian. When the world left Symbian behind, Nokia just didn't get it. And they were left behind.

They then tried their own day late, dollar short version of Linux. Enormous mistake. The world left them behind. That and the $800 n-series phones. What a mistake.

Now, it's either android or ios. Nothing else is relevant. And before you say, windows phone, the dude who uses that still wears camouflage cargo shorts. Irrelevant.

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