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Connecticut Group Wants Your Violent Videogames — To Destroy Them

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the world-is-a-strange-place dept.

Crime 449

DavidGilbert99 writes with this excerpt from IB Times: "The Sandy Hook shooting once again raised the debate about how much power violent videogames wield over teenagers. Following proclamations from the National Rifle Association and the establishment of a study by the National Academy of Sciences to investigate the psychological effects of violent games on children, a group in Connecticut is now having its say Southington, a town 30 miles from where the shooting took place, is offering gift tokens in exchange for violent videogames, as well as other violent media such as DVDs or videos. The group, called SouthingtonSOS, said in a statement: 'There is ample evidence that violent video games, along with violent media of all kinds, including TV and movies portraying story after story showing a continuous stream of violence and killing, has contributed to increasing aggressiveness, fear, anxiety and is desensitizing our children to acts of violence including bullying.'" And Yes, they plan to destroy the traded-in games. (Note: Beware the obnoxious auto-playing video ad with sound; adjust volume accordingly.)

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Will they take any thing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42461983)

Will they take all my pirated games?

Give them a bit of credit .... (5, Insightful)

pollarda (632730) | about 2 years ago | (#42462199)

After all, they are asking people to voluntarily turn in their video games which people are free to do -- or not. This stands in stark contrast to those who would ban violent video games entirely and who would most likely support video game confiscation and for those who really want to play violent video games, background checks and registration. By requiring registration, it ensures that some newspaper will publish a map as to who owns violent video games or not so that violent video game owner's friends and neighbors may demonize them.

Meanwhile, I'll burn a stack of CD's that I can turn in for a stack of coupons.

Re:Give them a bit of credit .... (5, Insightful)

dcollins117 (1267462) | about 2 years ago | (#42462359)

While I understand the impulse to "do something" in response to the Sandy Hook shootings, I'm bewildered that this is the issue they've decided to pursue. It's quite simply a misdirected effort that will have absolutely no effect to curtail further mass shootings.

Re:Give them a bit of credit .... (5, Insightful)

jythie (914043) | about 2 years ago | (#42462603)

While initially (and likely) harmless, such events echo a dark past. The US has a long history of 'voluntary' destruction of scapegoat media which, if they latch on to a big enough moral panic, end up exerting significant social pressure on people to 'volunteer'. They also tend to have the problem of parents (or other quasi authority figures lik significant others) getting caught up in the hysteria and destroying their children/partner's media for them. They can actually have a pretty corrosive force.

And of course there is the effigy element of it. Even if other locals do not give up their media, knowing that a group is going around collecting for destruction something you consider important can be a bit unnerving... esp if they start using actual bonfires.

Thus, stuff like this in isolation seems harmless, but can tie in to a larger pattern or even become bigger themselves.

Better price than gamestop? (4, Funny)

Ogive17 (691899) | about 2 years ago | (#42461985)

I'd be willing to give up some of my old titles that I no longer play if they'd give me more value than gamestop...

Re:Better price than gamestop? (5, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | about 2 years ago | (#42462271)

Then you run into the same problem as people trading in broken or useless guns to the gun buyback:

By turning in your property, you effectively endorse their political cause. They get to say that "X number of people turned in this filth to get it off of our streets and out of our schools!". Personally, I'm not willing to become part of their cause and make that value of X going higher at any cost.

If you actually do find their message convincing then by all means turn in your games.

Re:Better price than gamestop? (5, Interesting)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about 2 years ago | (#42462663)

Then you run into the same problem as people trading in broken or useless guns to the gun buyback:

By turning in your property, you effectively endorse their political cause. They get to say that "X number of people turned in this filth to get it off of our streets and out of our schools!". Personally, I'm not willing to become part of their cause and make that value of X going higher at any cost.

If you actually do find their message convincing then by all means turn in your games.

But if you use the reward you get from the group to directly support the opposite of their agenda... did you really help them? For instance, using the gift token to buy a new FPS game.

I would like to think they would somehow arrange for the reward to not be able to be used in this way, but groups like this tend not to be terribly forward thinking.

Re:Better price than gamestop? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462439)

Can I use the gift token to buy Call of Duty? =)

Re:Better price than gamestop? (1)

Chewbacon (797801) | about 2 years ago | (#42462733)

I'd drink to that just so GameStop would hopefully get their heads outta their asses over their pricing schemes.

People should play more pinball (3, Insightful)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 2 years ago | (#42462013)

People should play more pinball.

Re:People should play more pinball (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462101)

NO! Pinball is too violent.
The little steel ball was resting comfortably when you put in the coins, then sart your abuse with hitting it out of its rest. This is followed by continuously slapping the ball with paddles and propelling it into walls! All the time, the ball is just trying to get back to the safety of its home, but NO, you keep batting it away.

The only civilized game is Canasta, because I'm not sure how to play it.

Re:People should play more pinball (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462671)

The only civilized game is Barbie's Horse Adventures, because I'm not sure how to play it.

Fixed that for you!

Re:People should play more pinball (2)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 2 years ago | (#42462135)

I'm sure The Who would approve of that.

Re:People should play more pinball (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462155)

No, no, no. We all know it's because the kids stopped playing with Spirograph!

Re:People should play more pinball (1)

santiagoanders (1357681) | about 2 years ago | (#42462487)

Think about it!

less violence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462015)

more boobs plz

Re:less violence (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about 2 years ago | (#42462699)

more boobs plz

Amusingly enough the one thing these people typically find more taboo than violence, is sex.

Haw (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462019)

When's the last time you saw somebody who was a student athlete shoot up a school or movie theater?

Sports are charged with testosterone, true, but they also teach people how to lose gracefully and that losing is a part of life. I'd trust some football-playing hothead who says what's on his mind and cools down minutes after a rage much more than some silent, coddled, brooding nerd-loser who chooses to mass-murder out of anger at their own weakness and defeatism.

So in short, you accuse athletes of being bullies and brutes, but it turns out that the dumb louts actually manage their emotions better than you do.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Haw (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462045)

Also, they can't seem to figure out how to get the bullets to fit in the clip. That helps too.

Re:Haw (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 2 years ago | (#42462159)

I'd trust some football-playing hothead who says what's on his mind and cools down minutes after a rage much more than some silent, coddled, brooding nerd-loser who chooses to mass-murder out of anger at their own weakness and defeatism.

The problem is the mental wiring. A nerd-loser isn't wired to like sports, in the same way a jock isn't wired to like Dungeons and Dragons. A jock *enjoys* sports, a nerd-loser doesn't - So it's much harder to get them into it.

Re:Haw (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462217)

Volume of cable news coverage != mortality risk

Total up the number of other people those "dumb louts" took out in rage/testosterone/ethanol related car crashes. I'd wager it's a lot more than 20 every few years.

Re:Haw (4, Informative)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 2 years ago | (#42462557)

Not sure about student athletes, but there was the recent case of Jovan Belcher, a professional football player who killed his girlfriend, drove to the team headquarters, and killed himself in front of his head coach and GM. Also relevant is that the jocks are much more likely to be involved in assaults, rapes, vehicular homicides, and other violent acts other than shooting up a school.

George Carlin had this one right: ""They say it's the quiet ones you have to watch. Yeah, and while you're watching a quiet one, a noisy one will kill ya!"

Re:Haw (5, Interesting)

Mister Whirly (964219) | about 2 years ago | (#42462641)

No, the jocks don't do they actual shooting themselves. But they are likely the ones who bullied the nerd into the rage that triggered the nerd's violent actions, so they are also responsible to some degree.
I played hockey since I was 5, and also played for my high school for a year. But I had to quit - because of all the idiot jocks and their homophobia, misogyny, and general distaste for anything they couldn't understand or was slightly different from them. You should have heard the shit that was talked about in the locker room. Yeah, those dumb louts sure had a firm grip on their emotions all right.

Re:Haw (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#42462739)

Jocks go on to become executives, lawyers, and politicians. Social outcasts might shoot up a movie theater every year or so, but it was jocks who got us into Iraq and caused civilian casualties in the hundreds of thousands.

Re:Haw (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462763)

but it turns out that the dumb louts actually manage their emotions better than you do.

But I've never shot up a school. Most people haven't, in fact.

Put more effort into your trolling.

Before people fly off the hook here.. (0)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 years ago | (#42462025)

Notice that this is purely voluntary, and is not being run by the government. Hence your "government is taking away my Halo 12!" gripe does not apply here. Those who do not want to give up their violent games are under no obligation to do so.

Re:Before people fly off the hook here.. (4, Informative)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about 2 years ago | (#42462193)

Prohibition started with old biddies moral panicing about alcohol. You sound like an old biddy trying to reframe criticism of their behavior.

Re:Before people fly off the hook here.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462331)

Persuasion is voluntary and therefore moral and just, no matter whether you agree or disagree. This is pure persuasion as far as I can tell, not harrassment, and certainly not coercion. I don't personally agree with their position, but I don't have to. As a human being who realizes and accepts the solid, obvious line between voluntary association and coercion, I support their right to do this 100%.

Accordingly, the second government gets involved my support will drop to 0%.

Re:Before people fly off the hook here.. (1)

misexistentialist (1537887) | about 2 years ago | (#42462215)

It's a kind of coercive social pressure and market manipulation. Buying a copy of Mein Kampf and a portrait of Hitler to hang over your bed was completely "voluntary" too...

Re:Before people fly off the hook here.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462517)

If you think persuasion can be coercive, then you don't understand what coercion means. Coercion means physical force, fraud, or threat thereof. You don't get to change the meaning to suit your world view. So let's rephrase your statement using the definition of coercion:

It's a kind of social pressure and market manipulation achieved through physical force, fraud, or threat thereof

Now it sounds a lot more like the bullshit it really is, doesn't it?

The only exception to this rule (that coercion requires physical force) involves people who don't have the mental capacity to make adult decisions concerning their own welfare (i.e. abuse of children or the mentally handicapped). But these cases tend to be very straightforward.

Re:Before people fly off the hook here.. (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | about 2 years ago | (#42462771)

Not quite. That is ONE definition of coercion. Merriam-Webster [merriam-webster.com] defines coercion as-
1 : to restrain or dominate by force
2 : to compel to an act or choice
3 : to achieve by force or threat

So #2 does not require force or threats, and one can be coerced without threats or physical force.

As a wise man on the internet once said "You don't get to change the meaning to suit your world view."

Re:Before people fly off the hook here.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462299)

Notice that this is purely voluntary, and is not being run by the government. Hence your "government is taking away my Halo 12!" gripe does not apply here. Those who do not want to give up their violent games are under no obligation to do so.

They have absolutely every right to do this, it's certainly not in question. I just think they're wrong to say there's ample evidence, when there isn't. Furthermore, the same first amendment rights which allow them to say this, allow me to call them fucking morons.

I cherish my right to call them fucking morons. Everybody deserves their first amendment rights, including these misguided souls, and the Westboro clan of bloodsucking lawyers, so I will also insult anybody who suggests they not be allowed to say such stupid drivel for not thinking through the consequences of their actions.

Thank goodness for the constitution. Pity it's been so thoroughly ignored as 'outdated' and 'irrelevant' by people too short sighted to see what they're giving up for shiny baubles and warm feelings.

One Little Problem with "Increasing" Crime Idea. (5, Informative)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42462323)

Violent crime is sharply down-down-down in the US since it peaked in 1995: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_over_time [wikipedia.org]

Folks might want to check the crime stats before making blanket statements about "increasing" levels of violent crime due to video games or access to computers. The Internet era has turned into the safest era since violent crimes shot up in the mid-70's, and rates of homicides and property crimes are at their lowest point since the 60's.

Re:One Little Problem with "Increasing" Crime Idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462575)

Violent crime is sharply down-down-down in the US since it peaked in 1995: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_over_time [wikipedia.org]

Folks might want to check the crime stats before making blanket statements about "increasing" levels of violent crime due to video games or access to computers. The Internet era has turned into the safest era since violent crimes shot up in the mid-70's, and rates of homicides and property crimes are at their lowest point since the 60's.

You are conflating all crime with (theoretical) video-game induced crime. The two are not the same. There may be no link, but submitting evidence that overall crime trends are down to refute the notion that video-game related crime does nothing to prove your point.

Posting anon since you slashdotters love to destroy anyone who dares criticize videogames. It's almost like some sort of obsession with you people. Lol.

Get your stinking paws off me (3, Insightful)

Dachannien (617929) | about 2 years ago | (#42462027)

They can have my violent video games when they pry them from my cold dead hands!

Re:Get your stinking paws off me (4, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 2 years ago | (#42462617)

You have poor circulation too? Yeah, it sucks. I sometimes wear gloves in the house.

Put videogames in the schools to protect them (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462037)

Clearly, the only solution is to install a violent videogame playing security guard at the entrance to each school.

Ban churches. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462051)

Hitler and Stalin both studied to be priests.

The latest shooter went to a Catholic private school.

Prisons are full of Christians.

The most peaceful countries are the least religious.

These are facts.

Re:Ban churches. (1)

He Who Has No Name (768306) | about 2 years ago | (#42462075)

There's a remarkably low amount of violent crime in Vatican City.

Can't quite say the same for North Korea... even if most of it is state-sponsored.

Re:Ban churches. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462289)

There's a remarkably low amount of violent crime in Vatican City.

Only because children being raped are too terrified and weak to resist.

"Ample Evidence" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462059)

Do they provide any of this evidence?

Re:"Ample Evidence" (5, Funny)

sunking2 (521698) | about 2 years ago | (#42462265)

The fact that witnesses in Columbine, Aurora, and Colorado have said the shooters were seen bunny hopping around to get from one place to another should suffice.

Re:"Ample Evidence" (1)

sunking2 (521698) | about 2 years ago | (#42462303)

Meant to be Connecticut, not CO.

Re:"Ample Evidence" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462455)

The fact that witnesses in Columbine, Aurora, and Colorado have said the shooters were seen bunny hopping around to get from one place to another should suffice.

You're joking, obviously, but I think there is an interesting question about whether the games lead to violence, as opposed to making those who do perform these acts more proficient by teaching tactics. I have no doubt that my extensive battlefield 2/3 experience would make me better at carrying out such an act. When I first started playing these games, I tended to unload a full clip into the center of one target. I've learned to instinctively take headshots, and to expend only as much ammo is necessary to dispatch a target. While I am shooting at one target, I'm selecting the next in my peripheral vision. These seem like useful skills to someone who wants to kill as many people as possible in the minimum amount of time.

Pathetic Excuse for Lack of Education / Parenting (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462065)

Parents need to start parenting and teaching their children fiction from reality. If you rely on popular entertainment, the educational system or what passes for news and public discourse to inform your kids, you're ultimately a failure as a parent due to being negligent in your duties. No amount of burying ideas, hiding the taboo, and erasing the purportedly obscene is going to cleanse the system.

Culture is screwed because a large enough portion of the population allows it to be such. Lack of critical thinking can't be fixed by legislation, book burning or other such ill-advised undertakings.

Wake up already.

VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES DO NOT KILL PEOPLE !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462067)

Oh, wait !! They do, don't they !! Lots and lots of people !! FPS RULEZ !!

ESRB Ratings (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462073)

Please note, ESRB ratings have labels of 17+ for violent video games.
Kids should NOT be playing these games.

Re:ESRB Ratings (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462195)

#1 tool of "parents" trying to look cool to their kids: ignore the "M" rating. Little Jessie needs to have CoD just like little Johnny at school!

New business method available (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462077)

1. Create a simple violent video game
2. Buy a large set of cheap DVDs and burn it on them
3. Exchange DVDs for a set of gift tokens
4. Profit!

Re:New business method available (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | about 2 years ago | (#42462275)

Presuming that an open-source violent video game exists, Step 1 (the one that takes the most effort) is unnecessary.

Re:New business method available (1)

Megane (129182) | about 2 years ago | (#42462423)

Why go to that much trouble? It's not like they're actually going to insert the discs in something to verify what they have on them. Just get a nice CD printer and a bunch of cheap white label CD-R blanks, then download a bunch of disc art to print so that they don't get suspicious about the guy turning in 10 copies of the same game. (I'm not suggesting stick-on labels, because they may be stupid, but I would hope they're not *that* stupid.)

All violence and no sex gets us where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462119)

Over the years, our kids could go see the big bang action flicks, parents buying them toys to support the marketing of the movies but heaven forbid we let them see a "nekkid" body or people making love!! Maybe, just maybe, if we'd not been so uptight about sex and a little more uptight about violence, we'd be in a different place...

hmmm (3, Interesting)

davidmcg (796487) | about 2 years ago | (#42462123)

I'll believe that video games result in violent behaviour the day when someone gets arrested for mass murdering pigs by hurling various birds at them.

Re:hmmm (1)

razorh (853659) | about 2 years ago | (#42462467)

Challenge Accepted!

Here come the deniers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462129)

The science is settled with this a long time ago from the vast majority of behavioral psychologists, but the media (who profits from this) and players ignore it, just like climate change... Violent Video Games: Myths, Facts, and Unanswered Questions (from the American Psychological Association) [apa.org]

Quote: Myth 1. Violent video game research has yielded very mixed results. Facts: Some studies have yielded nonsignificant video game effects, just as some smoking studies failed to find a significant link to lung cancer. But when one combines all relevant empirical studies using meta-analytic techniques, five separate effects emerge with considerable consistency. Violent video games are significantly associated with: increased aggressive behavior, thoughts, and affect; increased physiological arousal; and decreased prosocial (helping) behavior. Average effect sizes for experimental studies (which help establish causality) and correlational studies (which allow examination of serious violent behavior) appear comparable (Anderson & Bushman, 2001). Myth 8. Unrealistic video game violence is completely safe for adolescents and older youths. Facts: Cartoonish and fantasy violence is often perceived (incorrectly) by parents and public policy makers as safe even for children. However, experimental studies with college students have consistently found increased aggression after exposure to clearly unrealistic and fantasy violent video games. Indeed, at least one recent study found significant increases in aggression by college students after playing E-rated (suitable for everyone) violent video games. Myth 9. The effects of violent video games are trivially small. Facts: Meta-analyses reveal that violent video game effect sizes are larger than the effect of second hand tobacco smoke on lung cancer, the effect of lead exposure to I.Q. scores in children, and calcium intake on bone mass. Furthermore, the fact that so many youths are exposed to such high levels of video game violence further increases the societal costs of this risk factor (Rosenthal, 1986).

... and An update on the effects of playing violent video games (Journal of Adolescence) [berkeley.edu] , where they say...

Quote: Basically, the scientific debate over whether media violence has an effect is over, and should have been over by 1975 (Bushman & Anderson, 2001).There are a number of negative behavioural, cognitive, and affective consequences of exposure to violent entertainment media, in both the immediate context as well as developmentally across time (for an excellent and current overview, see Gentile, 2003). Three findings are particularly important.First, as more studies of violent video games have been conducted, the significance of violent video game effects on key aggression and helpingrelated variables has become clearer.Second, the claim (or worry) that poor methodological characteristics of some studies has led to a false, inflated conclusion about violent video game effects is simply wrong.Third, video game studies with better methods typically yield bigger effects, suggesting that heightened concern about deleterious effects of exposure to violent video games is warranted. The magnitude of these effects is also somewhat alarming.The best estimate of the effect size of exposure to violent video games on aggressive behaviour is about 0.26 (Fig.2 ).This is larger than the effect of condom use on decreased HIV risk, the effect of exposure to passive smoke at work and lung cancer, and the effect of calcium intake on bone mass (Bushman & Huesmann, 2001).As a society, we have taken massive and expensive steps to educate the public about these smaller medical effects, but almost none to deal with the larger violent video game effects. I could quote more, but got my point across.

Go ahead and be like a climate change denier and say all those behavior psychologist studies are all wrong...

Re:Here come the deniers (3, Insightful)

Fuzi719 (1107665) | about 2 years ago | (#42462519)

So what of all those children in other Western countries who watch the same movies and TV shows and play the same video games and have nearly the same access to weapons as do Americans, yet they don't go on violent rampages with the frequency of Americans?

Connecticunt (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462131)

That place is fucked up.

Re:Connecticunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462485)

Look for the witch trials and burnings to commence there soon.

Re:Connecticunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462627)

You should see sCUNThorpe (Lincolnshire, UK)

It's true (1)

koan (80826) | about 2 years ago | (#42462141)

"Human knowledge is based on stories and the human brain consists of cognitive machinery necessary to understand, remember and tell stories.[8] Humans are storytelling organisms that both individually and socially, lead storied lives.[9] Stories mirror human thought as humans think in narrative structures and most often remember facts in story form. Facts can be understood as smaller versions of a larger story thus storytelling can supplement analytical thinking. Because storytelling requires auditory and visual senses from listeners, one can learn to organize their mental representation of a story, recognize structure of language and express his/her thoughts.[10]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storytelling [wikipedia.org]

If you agree with the above then it's hard for me to imagine disagreeing with the idea that TV, movies, and video games have poisoned our society.

Re:It's true (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462401)

I disagree with the above. Human knowledge is based on the propagation of memes. Where a meme is the social equivalent to a gene in biology. The theory is that memes form ideas, and ideas themselves are a form of life that proliferate and grow. Some memes become extinct.

Your quote and wiki entry are pretty hilarious to those of us studying in the field of anthropology. Mainly because human knowledge existed way before human language, and way before any human language was advanced enough to tell a story.

Fact cannot be understood as smaller versions of a larger story... that is some New Age mystical pseudo-science if I've ever heard any. Fact is synonymous with truth. The truth can either be understood or cannot, and truth is not concerned with any story.

This won't put a dent in anything (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462143)

Violence and realism are what sells these days. Gamers aren't going to go back to playing Pac-Man or Pong. The article doesn't mention what the gift tokens are good for, but if there are no restrictions, I can see people abusing this system and turning in a bunch of crappy old games towards a purchase of GTA V or Borderlands 2.

I was an avid gamer and still do play when I have time. I have played some of the most violent games out there and gibbed (and been gibbed by) many an enemy. However, my gaming experiences have never instilled in me a desire to go into a public place and empty a magazine. I'm sure that many other gamers will feel this way as well. Most sane people have a solid mental distinction between action on an LCD panel and reality.

Bottom line is: Neither guns nor violent games are the root cause of the problem. Proper care of people with serious mental health and/or societal issues is key to solving this.

Pumped Up! (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 2 years ago | (#42462161)

After a few rounds of Flower (by thatgamecompany) I know I'm ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.

"Any Yes" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462169)

Huh? Is TFS trying to come up with a new, hipper, way of saying 'anyway'?

Why don't they give all their violent videogames to me?

Any Yes, how is everyone today?

Re:"Any Yes" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462623)

I think the intent was to write "And yes." They're called typos, get used to them on the Internet.

Maybe Some Merit? (1)

sycodon (149926) | about 2 years ago | (#42462171)

I have long thought attempts to do this kind of thing were stupid and intrusive.

But think, those of you with kids, how many times have you refused your kids desire to watch a program because it is too violent? If you are any kind of parent, then that happens often. Desensitization [killology.com] is a long time practice in the military and kids watching/playing violent shows/games is very similar to the process the military goes through.

I think it's time that this subject is given a hard look. Unfortunately, any solution I can think of (in the five minutes I've been writing this post) would be a big legal mess, running afoul of any number of existing rights and freedoms.

Don't get it (3, Insightful)

LiquidMind (150126) | about 2 years ago | (#42462175)

i really REALLY don't get this obsession with linking violent video games to violent behavior. Take yours truly:

Born in 1980, I played all the big titles: From Wolfenstein, Doom, Solider of Fortune, to whatever latest titles are out (I can't remember what all the Call of Duty flavors are called, but you get the idea). Hell, I even designed Doom and Half-Life levels based on my old high school (shit, don't tell anyone or they'll come after me next!!!)

At some point in my 20s, I joined the Marines for 4 years, so I know how to use a rifle.

Neither before nor after my service have i EVER had violent tendencies that made me go on a shooting spree. I deal with stress every day (Hello IT, working for an international liquor company that needs to be up 24/7) yet I still score normal blood pressure numbers.

I just don't get this obsession. There are always a few nuts. The rest of us are fairly well-adjusted.

Stupid media. Stupid fear-mongering. Stupid people.

done ranting now.

S/F

Re:Don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462327)

i really REALLY don't get this obsession with linking violent video games to violent behavior.

Many people are often happy to ignore reality if it involves blaming someone/something else, particularly if it's someone/something else they have no involvement or attachment to.

Re:Don't get it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462429)

So what you are saying is, "I don't understand the difference between anecdotes and data". Good for you. Others are a little more pragmatic when it comes to social studies.

Re:Don't get it (3, Insightful)

rokstar (865523) | about 2 years ago | (#42462567)

The obsession isn't anything new, the target is just different now. Used to be that comic books were the cause of all moral decay in america's youth. Go far enough back and i'd put good money that someone thought opera was the reason for violent crime. So just remember that you don't understand this obsession when holographic vid novels are dragged through the mud as being responsible for all of societies woes and maybe we can break this stupid cycle.

Re:Don't get it (3, Interesting)

LanMan04 (790429) | about 2 years ago | (#42462621)

Hell, I even designed Doom and Half-Life levels based on my old high school (shit, don't tell anyone or they'll come after me next!!!)

Heh, I did the same thing with Bungie's Marathon II and their level/physics editors 'Anvil" and "Forge".

Now I'd get expelled for talking about it. So sad.

Re:Don't get it (2)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | about 2 years ago | (#42462727)

i really REALLY don't get this obsession with linking violent video games to violent behavior. Take yours truly:

Born in 1980, I played all the big titles: From Wolfenstein, Doom, Solider of Fortune, to whatever latest titles are out (I can't remember what all the Call of Duty flavors are called, but you get the idea). Hell, I even designed Doom and Half-Life levels based on my old high school (shit, don't tell anyone or they'll come after me next!!!)

At some point in my 20s, I joined the Marines for 4 years, so I know how to use a rifle.

Neither before nor after my service have i EVER had violent tendencies that made me go on a shooting spree. I deal with stress every day (Hello IT, working for an international liquor company that needs to be up 24/7) yet I still score normal blood pressure numbers.

I just don't get this obsession. There are always a few nuts. The rest of us are fairly well-adjusted.

Stupid media. Stupid fear-mongering. Stupid people.

done ranting now.

S/F

You became a professional soldier but you don't see that as an expression of your violent tendencies?

Step back from yourself for a moment and think about that.

Re:Don't get it (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462729)

I just don't get this obsession. There are always a few nuts. The rest of us are fairly well-adjusted.

THIS. A thousand times.

Look -- I think the gun control crowd basically has one legitimate point that is nearly triviailly weighed against. My bias declared up front.

But there's been school shootings for at least four centuries. Their frequency is likely easily plotted out with some basic statistical physics or similar applications. The "epidemic" is so insubstantial as to be boring to everyone but CDC types with a moral obligation to treat it as such.

But I don't even need science for this, just memory and a bit of knowledge of history.

Before I was born there were witch trials, pogroms, purges, mccarthyism.... and all of these were in reaction to *shit happening* (although not necessarily caused by the victims of these activities)

In my relatively short lifetime there's been panic over D&D/satanism, rock & rap music (remember tipper gore?), trenchcoats (after columbine), pedos, terrorism, and I would claim drug use. Every five years or so we need a new internal societal threat.

These might all have a legit correlation with some form of violence. I really don't know (or care -- if they are or aren't correlated is immaterial to me, they mostly fall under the guise of the 0th freedom of thought).

But people want to find a way to understand bad things happening. They will latch on and clasp desperately to God, to an outlier, to anything to explain the 'senseless' violence they see rather than admit we are big dangerous apes with a thin veneer of civilization.

To point out anything not them that they can collectively engage in risk-free destruction of in part of the big orgy of lynchmobbery -- ideally through the tyranny of the majority driven through by the rifles of the government and their easy taxy dollars. Because this is how civilized white people destroy things -- with a pen stroke instead of a rioting mob.

And that is really all that well-adjusted means.

BRB, gonnna watch some CNN and Fox....

Your violent movies are next (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462183)

then violent books. Then Historical books and movies. Then sad books and movies. Then books and movies that don't follow Dear Leader's philosophy. Each of those steps can be done by different groups, and the results are the same.

Sim School Shooting: (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462273)

I'd like to see a video game where you control the fate of disaffected parents. You would navigate your avatars to go vote on things like bicycle helmets, closing mental health care facilities, building new prisons, raising taxes, and giving up/taking away their inalienable rights.

Softcore porn scans and molesting should also obviously be required of your avatar before travel. Also don't even think about making your avatars leave their simulated homes without their virtual papers.

Wait... this isn't a video game I'm describing... is it?

Can I help destroy them? *evil grin* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462285)

I need some target practice with that new assault weapon Santa gave me for Christmas.

No simple solutions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462293)

The causes behind any school shooting tend to be complex and involve mental health issues and problems with the shooter's personal experiences and upbringing, and other issues far more complex than just consuming violent mass media. If anything I'd say that the violence glorified in certain video games is a symptom of problems within society, and human nature itself. It is unlikely that there would be any significant(I know: wiggle word, define your terms AC!) positive change from just burning all our violent media.

Battle Toads (1)

stevegee58 (1179505) | about 2 years ago | (#42462315)

They'll be prying my copy of Battle Toads from my cold, dead fingers.

Re:Battle Toads (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462785)

They'll be prying my copy of Battle Toads from my cold, dead fingers.

Battletoads drove more people to violence than any other game of its era. It was just violence against NES controllers and televisions rather than people, but still, it inspired pretty hefty violence.

Will they take Obama's drones away too ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462351)

Of course I said the above in jest, but there is a very real point to be made :

When the highest levels of US government are engaged in state-sponsored violence
against people who have never attacked the US, it is not realistic to presume that
the ordinary citizen might not be affected by such conduct on the part of his or her
government.

The US is a violent country, and is engaged in wanton acts of aggression all over the
world.

Support the troops ? Only an idiot does that. The troops are murderers.

as well as other violent media? (0, Offtopic)

Hiekkaa (2611999) | about 2 years ago | (#42462353)

Will they accept my copy of the Bible?

Opportunity (4, Funny)

c (8461) | about 2 years ago | (#42462373)

Someone needs to set up and publicize an NRA-branded parody site offering a guns-for-games exchange where the site offers free firearms in exchange for violent video games.

Re:Opportunity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462745)

Why? If nothing else that only supports two stereotypes that are easily proven false. The satire value of this is pretty low.
 
But hey, since it's your idea why don't you do it? Or do you realize how stupid it is in the first place?

Used to be Rock and Roll, now video games. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462407)

Whatever the generation in power didn't grow up with becomes the Bogeyman. In the 60s through the 80s it was that Devil music Rock And Roll. In the 90s it was Rap. Now it's Violent video games. After violent video games I'm sure it'll be something else to blame for the problems in society.

People just have bad memories and think when They Grew Up, it was some golden age. Nope.. no societal problems in the 50s or 60s. No Sirrr-ee.

Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462419)

Good luck destroying my games in the cloud!

Yep (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462463)

Yep because Japan with all those violent video games kids are playing, and strict gun laws making sure that good, law abiding citizens don't have guns to protect themselves, and their unChristian government is a horrid violent place with all those gun deaths.

Oh, wait...

Blame the Videos and the Games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462465)

It may be an unpopular stance, but if they want to blame video games they better blame TV and Movies too. I am guessing people are VASTLY more exposed to violence in TV and Movies than they are to violence in video games. For instance, TV makes up 2.8 hours a day for the average American (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm) versus Video Games which make up less than a half hour a day for the average American (http://www.statista.com/statistics/186960/time-spent-with-videogames-in-the-us-since-2002/). That is a hell of a lot more exposure to TV than video games.

Frankly, I hate watching violent movies or TV, because they toss around guns and gun violence like it is no big deal. I'd like it if we toned down the violence in TV/Movies. As it is, I don't watch those programs (or try not to). But TV has a way of changing opinions (hence why TV advertising works).

We don't need to get rid of violence or guns in media, but just tone it down. Clean up our act across ALL media, not just video games.

Ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462479)

But what about the millions of gamers who enjoy FPS and never entertained the thought of mass murder?

Its one fruit loop in a bowl, your not going to fix it by regulating games, guns, or anything else. Now get off your high-horse and quit looking for answers where there are none.

The best anyone could do in a situation like this is be better PROTECTED and prepared for the next fruit loop.

Connecticut group can kiss my ass. (1)

gfxguy (98788) | about 2 years ago | (#42462499)

It's been my experience that when kids can work out tension playing these games they tend to be better off in real life than the kids whose parents won't even let them play cops and robbers, let alone have a toy gun.

Than why aren't we all farmers? (1)

Mafiasecurity (2561885) | about 2 years ago | (#42462521)

IF VIDEO GAMES influenced people then the majority of Facebook users would be farmers by now. MAYBE.. I'm about to blow your mind here.. MAYBE the type of person to do bad things, gravitates to those kinds of video games.. and MAYBE the game doesn't really influence anything

Do video games burn as well as books? (2)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 2 years ago | (#42462551)

Maybe the temperature needs to be a bit higher than 451.

Freedom to Speech (1)

cgiannelli (2740647) | about 2 years ago | (#42462577)

Feeding into the political frenzy, the most precious Freedoms we have a the Bill of rights. Amendment 1 and 2 seem to be fighting it out recently. This small town is allowed their freedom to peaceful protest and their own opinions. It is when they try to enforce their opinions upon others is when they cross the line and no longer practice free speech and peaceful protest. While I personally don't agree with their linking violence to video games it is their right to this form of protest and opinion sharing. Because it is their opinions. It would be like linking Porn to sex offenders, or Romantic comedy to stalking and obsessive behaviors. I've grown up with the like of Wolfenstein 3D and Doom and the whole lineage. I've never owned a gun, never killed a person, though there have been many times I wanted to, but knowing it is wrong, and that this is real life, made the choice to not do it. That is in the end what these actions are. These violent individuals live sheltered lives as just another nobody. So they decided to end their own life and to be remembered. Since our society puts so much value on the evils, of man, instead of people who've had a positive influence or contribution. These people have made the choice to go out with the biggest, most gruesome killing spree possible. The Movie theater guy, we were lucky to catch him alive. But he planned it for months on end. It wasn't just a random freak out grab a gun and murder. As a point to the above, most people you talk to would know quite a bit about Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan, Musolini, or several other famously cruel leaders. But most would barely know a thing about Nikoli Tesla, Marconi and so many others who have given us the modern life we live today. So they chose to be in history as evil, because we remember and put a higher price on evil deeds. In closing, we need to change the paradigm of evil remembrance. We need to cherish those who have contributed to society, celebrate these members, not as a footnote, or an honorable mention, but as great contributors to the life we live. Hitler and the rest should be shoved in a closet, to be remembered for their actions so we may learn from history, but not memorialized, and almost celebrated through movies, video games and the likes. Though to be honest, it's far more fun to shoot Nazis in a game than to invent short wave radios.

Something they all have in common w/ the shooter.. (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about 2 years ago | (#42462593)

They're all fucking mentally deranged morons. And since they are against entertainment media (and basically freedom of speech and expression) while apparently the killer wasn't, I conclude that violent video games are not the common correlation here. It's dumbasses. I'd rather see the country rid itself of them, send them away for "disposal," but that will of course never happen.

Looks like I have to prove once again... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462605)

Boy youd think once I proved 100% without a doubt that video games dont cause violence that it would be the end of the discussion. But Ill do it again and anyone here is free to re-use my points all they like and copy/paste them as needed allover the internet.

1- If video games cause violent behavior, I mean truly caused violent behavior then every person who ever played a violent video game would be going out and commiting shootings right now. Considering that call of duty black ops 2 released not long ago and sold 11.22 million copies in 7 days, so that would mean there would be 11.22 million out there commiting violent crimes right now, but guess what? There arent over 11 million shootings going on right now and why is that? Because games dont cause violence if they did then every single person who played a violent game would become violent, but that isnt the case at all.

2- If violent games are the source of school shootings and violent behavior then someone please tell me this. Which call of duty game was it hitler played when he exterminated millions of people? Was it Doom that charles whitman played when he got a rifle and shot all those people at the texas college in the 60s? Or what game was played by the man who killed his wife, set fire to his home, then went to a school and blew up like 50 little kids in the year 1927 in bath township michigan? You see, violent behavior and school shootings/bombings have been around WAYYYYY before video games ever existed, hell violent behavior has existed since long before even electricity.

So there you have it, 2 simple statements that prove video games do not cause violent behavior.

As an added bonus I will also say this. Get rid of religion. If you get rid of religion thousands of lives will be saved every year and people will generally be much happier. Hitler, the crusades, all the senseless killing in the middle east for hundreds of years, planes flown into the twin towers, the fact that stem cell research is doing amazing things now but christians cock blocked it for decades and if they hadnt imagine how much further we would be now if they didnt hold it back, and well I could go on and on and on and on about all the negative things religion has brought into our lives. So I say, religion causes more violent behavior than video ever could. I say religion causes more violence, hatred, judgemental mentalities, sadness, ignorance, pain, suffering and death than anything ever has in the entire history of mankind. So if you want to single out one paticullar thing to get rid I say religion would make the most positive impact on our society and the world.

unacceptable (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about 2 years ago | (#42462647)

"Rather, SouthingtonSOS is saying that there is ample evidence that violent video games, along with violent media of all kinds, including TV and movies portraying story after story showing a continuous stream of violence and killing, has contributed to increasing aggressiveness, fear, anxiety and is desensitizing our children to acts of violence including bullying.

The "or" means it could contribute only to a single one of them and the entire statement would still be true, but totally meaningless. Furthermore, "aggressiveness, fear, anxiety and desensitization" aren't the same as school violence or mass murder.

They are trying to push a political agenda by innuendo and guilt-by-association. Even if these people had a reasonable cause, such deliberate deception is unacceptable.

So wait.... (1)

argStyopa (232550) | about 2 years ago | (#42462701)

All the crappy FPS shooters and worthless ancient violent games that I have filling up my bookcase since 1992, I can give to these guys and I'll get CREDIT that I can use toward some other game that I might actually want??
(No I didn't read TFA, I'm not going to that site, thanks.)

LOL, let the great shovelware crap-pile commence!

Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42462717)

They want to put a book that contains graphic deceptions of violence and death and has been the influence for hundreds of thousands of deaths for 2000 years into the hands of every grade school child.

I Like the Idea, but... (1)

ivi (126837) | about 2 years ago | (#42462755)

I can destroy any such games myself - eg, while videoing the happy process - without paying any postage.

*Facepalm* (1)

Zadaz (950521) | about 2 years ago | (#42462791)

Game companies like this because it takes traded in games off the market and so they'll sell more new games. This only serves as an inducement to make more violent games.

So, giant failure.

Even bigger failure is that there is no correlation between video games and violence. There are countless studies, but I like this fact: Japan has 0.6% as many gun deaths as the US.* I wonder if they play video games over there?

* 10.2 per 100,000 per year in the US vs 0.07 for Japan according to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] .

Evidence? (1)

Psyborgue (699890) | about 2 years ago | (#42462793)

Is there any evidence whatsoever that the recent shooter even played video games at all? I hate these people. Bunch of fucking reactionary idiots. We have these shootings because we've created gun-free target practice zones for anybody who wants to ignore the sign and shoot up the place. There have always been and will always be crazy people willing to kill a lot of innocents. This shit just happens now because we've given them ample opportunity to cause an extreme amount of damage without any hindrance whatsoever.
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