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Brewing Saké in Texas for Fun and Profit (Video)

Roblimo posted about 2 years ago | from the there-is-nothing-like-the-heady-arome-of-sake-in-the-morning dept.

Biotech 134

Let's say you are an IT stud named Yoed Anis, you spent a year in Japan and decided you really like Saké, and you're back home in Austin, Texas. Since Texas, like Japan, grows lots of rice, you obviously need to start the Texas Saké Company to produce Rising Star and Whooping Crane Sakés, which you sell online and through a number of Texas restaurants and retailers. But whatever we can say in print pales beside a two-part brewery tour conducted by Toji Yoed himself, accompanied by Timothy Lord and his trusty camcorder. Yes, there's a transcription. But the video tour itself is better, even though it regretfully does not include the delightful aroma of Saké being made. (Someday, perhaps, Slashdot Studios will be equipped for Smell-O-Vision, but that's at least a few years off.)

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ohh man (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475397)

I can smell the weaboo off this

Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475425)

I guess I'm actually quite interested in small business stories but I wasn't really expecting them here.

Another Video (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475427)

Here is the future of the Chinese domination : Video [youtube.com]

It's Japanese, not French (4, Informative)

neurovish (315867) | about 2 years ago | (#42475431)

Sake...no accent. If you're going to be pretentious and pedantic, then at least do it right.*

*Not typed in Kanji or Hiragana for those more pedantic than I because I am lazy

Re:It's Japanese, not French (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475493)

Not typed in Kanji or Hiragana for those more pedantic than I because I am lazy

I thought it was because slashdot hates Unicode.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

Megane (129182) | about 2 years ago | (#42475893)

Maybe they should ask slashdot.jp [slashdot.org] for their Unicode patches? (I just checked and it seems like they're using a relatively recent slashcode, with firehose access and collapsing threads and everything.)

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475921)

Yes, I bungled that link. Always click on your links in preview.

http://slashdot.jp/ [slashdot.jp]

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42476053)

Slashcode doesn't hate Unicode, per se. It just can't take the risk of allowing the horde of trolls another way to draw an ASCII art penis. Honestly, the troll situation right now is fairly manageable. When was the last time you read a GNAA post?

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42476263)

( ))==D

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42479181)

( ))==D(( )

Enhanced that for you

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475635)

True. Also, strictly speaking, in Japanese, any kind of alcoholic drink is sake or o-sake. If you want traditional Japanese rice wine (what Americans call Sake), then you have to ask for Nihon-shu (Japanese wine).
 

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475689)

The people who type "animé" are even more groan-worthy. While it's claimed by some that the term derives from the French word it is mostly done by elitist weeaboos.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475889)

I think you mean élitist ouiaboos.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475701)

Saké is a correct representation of the pronunciation using English orthography (cf. Pokémon). Sake should by rights by pronounced as a single syllable with the silent e indicating that the a is long rather than short, as it indeed is except when using a Romanization system that follows different rules than English.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 years ago | (#42475885)

Um... no. English doesn't have accents. The correct representation is sake and the context determines the pronunciation.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475957)

Um... no. English doesn't have accents.

You are incorrect. See the words résumé, piñata, and so forth.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42476287)

Not sure if troll.
résumé = French
piñata = Spanish

Re:It's Japanese, not French (2)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | about 2 years ago | (#42476461)

They're in English dictionaries and are considered valid words in English, even if they are loan words.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42477515)

résumé = French resume = English piñata = Spanish pinata = English

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42477981)

So the way someone translated some anime title is your justification for this??

More background information...

Of course the correct romanization is sake. The one suggested in the post would put stress in KE, which is not correct. Furthermore, "sake" just means alcohol in general in Japanese. What we know as sake is actually "nihonshu" (Japan-alcohol), where "shu" is the kanji that can also be read as "sake".

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

Olix (812847) | about 2 years ago | (#42475717)

It wouldn't make sense for him to romanize it like that. His target market is regular Americans who are not at all familiar with the Japanese language.

They would pronounce "sake" to rhyme with "wake" (as in wake up) or "hake" (as in the fish). They are much more likely to pronounce "saké", using a diacritic, correctly.

The correct romanization scheme to use for Japanese depends entirely on the context.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475743)

If you're going to be pretentious and pedantic, then at least do it right.

If you're going to be (meta)pedantic, then at least do it correctly.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

Aguazul2 (2591049) | about 2 years ago | (#42475835)

Does that mean that Walla is also Japanese?

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475869)

The accent is to emphasise that the 'e' is pronounced, and distinguish the word from “sake”, as in “for fuck's sake”; much like the New Yorker's use of the diaeresis in words like 'coördinate' to emphasise that the 'o's are separate.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#42475925)

I have had it hot and cold and in general are ok with it.
How the hell do you say it properly?

Usually when I have had it someone else ordered it or I bought it at the liquor store so there was no need to say it.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

thisisfutile (2640809) | about 2 years ago | (#42476147)

And because it has been done, you somehow feel justified in publicly proclaiming your opinion. You're just one notch away from the grammar police, IMHO. Oops, I just pulled a "neurovish"...I guess I'm starting to understand your drive.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 2 years ago | (#42476301)

Using accents is a valid romanization.
Not using them is too.

It depends which romanization style you're using.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

Roblimo (357) | about 2 years ago | (#42480081)

(shrug) I followed the usage on the guy's website. That doesn't mean it's right or wrong. Or worth a long discussion.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (2)

Zadaz (950521) | about 2 years ago | (#42476363)

If you want to be properly pedantic it's pronounced "nihonshu". Sake pretty much means "alcohol" in Japanese. Walking into a Japanese bar and ordering sake is like walking into an american bar and saying "One alcohol, please!"

Re:It's Japanese, not French (1)

halltk1983 (855209) | about 2 years ago | (#42479787)

People say "A drink, please" or "Another round", which is similar...

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42477311)

i agree that "saké" looks retarded, but it's an approximate english spelling of a japanese word. the japanese don't use the latin alphabet except for foreign words. therefore there's no one "correct" way of spelling kana -> latin interpretations.

while it's true japanese doesn't have stress accents like english, japanese words DO get stressed by native english-speakers when we bring them into our language. in english, it's common to see acute accents placed on foreign words - no matter what the original language - so speakers not educated in the japanese morae system know which syllable to stress. in fact, this is the ONLY use of acute accents in english these days. saying it should only apply to french loan words is silly; we just as often remove accents as add them (résumé, resume), and in the past we've even added accents to words that have long been standard english purely to mark stress.

remember, written language reflects speech, not the other way around. english is so crazy and full of loan words and inconsistencies that implying there's only one correct way to translate fucking *kana* is ridiculous.

Re:It's Japanese, not French (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42479953)

> Sake...no accent.

He was only there for a year and spent the time drinking, give him a break.

Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

eksith (2776419) | about 2 years ago | (#42475459)

They know this is quirky so I guess they're milking it as much as they can. Good for them, I say. If your state is weird and you're weird the opposite direction; emphasize that.

I may get in trouble for saying this, but I've never thought of Austin as being really "part" of Texas. This things just prove it.

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42475585)

No a true Scotsman, eh?

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#42475739)

Not really. It is a pretty true statement. Austin is very different to most of the rest of Texas. I say this having lived in Austin for 5 yeas, San Antonio for 8, Lubbock for 7 years and having frequently travelled to Dallas, Houston, and many of the small towns.

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475787)

heh; having lived all over the world, including DFW and Austin.. I can pretty much say Austin is still definitely Texas.

The only people who say things like that are basically texans who've not spent much time outside of that wretched state.

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

beep54 (1844432) | about 2 years ago | (#42475903)

Obviously you did not spend much time here in Austin. Me, I've already booked for a tour tomorrow. Also, if you were in DFW, you must have only been at the airport. Dallas and Fort Worth are totally different cities. Eh, too many foreigners coming here already. Buh-bye!

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#42476115)

Which is not true for myself. I grew up in Missouri and have frequently travelled through most of the midwest as that is where most of the rest of my family lives. Also as the person above me said, Dallas and Fort Worth are not some homogenuous metro. They are pretty distinct.

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

Dan667 (564390) | about 2 years ago | (#42476823)

sorry, you are wrong. Austin is nothing like the rest of Texas. The liberal bias alone would get you blacklisted in most of the rest of the state.

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42475919)

Actual, it's the exact definition of that fallacy.
A real Texan is a redneck, owns guns an would never drink Sake.*
What about those Texans that do drink Sake?
well.. I don't consider them to be Texan.

*I'm not sure what about Texas you think is different,l so I made that up.

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#42476149)

A strawman is also a fallacy. That wasn't what the person you responded to either said or implied.

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

beep54 (1844432) | about 2 years ago | (#42475959)

No trouble at all. We think of ourselves as the little blue dot in the big red state. Also, we are already making plans to secede from Texas should Texas actually secede from the US. See ya at SXSW [or any of the innumerable film fests we have].

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | about 2 years ago | (#42477215)

And don't forget PsychFest!

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

radiumsoup (741987) | about 2 years ago | (#42476425)

oh, it's most certainly part of Texas, and integrally so... Texas is big enough that there are many different cultural regions, and Austin is just one of those regions. (Hell, Austin proper has a different culture than the suburbs where I live - we left central Austin for the suburbs about a year after getting here.) But, as a native Arizonan who moved to the Austin area 7 years ago, my observation is that part of what makes Texas "Texasy" is the acceptance that your neighboring town/county has the freedom to be as wacky as they want to be, as long as they keep it on their side of the fence, so to speak. Tolerance, live and let live and all that. Austin, in an odd twist from what you're led to think, leans the opposite way and enforces a lot more intolerant rules on what individual neighbors can and can't do than the surrounding areas. The rest of Texas just knowingly nods Austin's way in a "let 'em be" attitude.

so, I guess if you're measuring tolerance (at the governmental regulatory level), Austin is less tolerant, and therefore less "Texasy" than the rest of the state... but I know that's not what you had in mind when you talked about being "part" of Texas... nobody ever really seems to - especially the native Austinites, who I find are remarkably often unable to see themselves from an external perspective. Most folks "from" Austin are focused on the social aspect of their way of life, at the expense of economic and other aspects - even though they seem to think they have a good grasp on the big picture.

This guy fits in well with Texas as a whole - do your own thing, make money at it, have fun. That's not at all something limited to Austin culture. The fact, though, that he's doing it with alcohol... now that's impressive in Texas... we still have many weird Southern-style restrictions and controls on alcohol as a holdover from prohibition that haven't yet been repealed... like (last I checked) you can't both brew beer and sell it commercially, it has to go through a distributor first.

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (3, Insightful)

nospam007 (722110) | about 2 years ago | (#42476939)

"This guy fits in well with Texas as a whole - do your own thing, make money at it, have fun."

And whatever you do, use highly subsidized corn, rice or wheat do do your stuff, so that we taxpayers can add our share to your success, even if we don't like your product.

Re:Merchandise ahead of (or on par with) product? (1)

udachny (2454394) | about 2 years ago | (#42479973)

And whatever you do, use highly subsidized corn, rice or wheat do do your stuff, so that we taxpayers can add our share to your success, even if we don't like your product.

- you vote for politicians that promise you free stuff, but in reality what you are doing is voting away individual rights, you are voting for politicians who destroy individual rights and go above and beyond the Constitution. There shouldn't be any subsidies to businesses, including agriculture, there shouldn't be any subsidies to individuals, including food stamps (known as SNAP at this point, so it doesn't sound so bad).

But the politicians use your lack of morals and principles to get to power and they use the authorisation you give them to break the law (Constitution) in order to achieve their own goals, which is always the same: use their office to become rich, and to become rich they steal individual liberties sell them to the highest bidders, they break the law, they spit on the Constitution.

So you are creating the forces that distort the market and then you are complaining about some enterprising people who take advantage of these distortions. There shouldn't be any subsidies to corn or wheat, etc., and there shouldn't be any income taxes, minimum wage laws, labour laws, SS or Medicare or any other welfare scheme. There shouldn't be any illegal wars and drones killing people without a trial.

But it all is happening. So some people decide that instead of fighting the windmills they are just going to partake in this wild feast in time of a plague. You gave them the tools, you created the incentives, you provided them with the clear path, don't be so angry now that they take it.

Only ships to Texas according to website (1)

CptNerd (455084) | about 2 years ago | (#42475517)

I went to the store seeing the "online" but read the details of the sake descriptions, which says "Please note, we currently are only able to ship to Texas." Had my hopes up, only to have them dashed. Ah well.

Re:Only ships to Texas according to website (1)

hism (561757) | about 2 years ago | (#42476747)

Had my hopes up, only to have them dashi [wikipedia.org] 'd. Ah well.

FTFY

Re:Only ships to Texas according to website (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42478677)

available on sakesocial.com too

IT Stud? (4, Funny)

Harold Halloway (1047486) | about 2 years ago | (#42475529)

What's an 'IT stud'? Is it the geek with the biggest hard drive?

Re:IT Stud? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475577)

It's the guy with the biggest pocket protector.

Re:IT Stud? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475631)

What's an 'IT stud'? Is it the geek with the biggest hard drive?

IT stud is a few ladder rungs below brogrammer.

Re:IT Stud? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475737)

No. It's one with a girlfriend.

Re:IT Stud? (2)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#42475891)

What's an 'IT stud'?

That's a reference to an IT Supervisor -- the dude in the server room who leans against the wall when fires are being put out.

Re:IT Stud? (3, Funny)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 2 years ago | (#42476041)

No, of course not, and I thought the term was self-explanatory.

As most of us are aware, it's unusual for those in IT and related professions to have sex. The reason for this is that sexual encounters are managed through a controlled breeding program, wherein the "stud" is paired with numerous females, just as you might see in cattle herds or the like. This is done in order to ensure the healthiest offspring possible, as well as the largest number of offspring (domestic breeding shortfalls in recent years have led to relying on offshore breeding programs to supplement our own).

Of course, there can be issues with this approach, such as propagating a particular condition into a population on account of them having a common ancestor. We see this rather often, with a number of individuals in these populations exhibiting issues with poor eyesight, spinal conditions, or excessive fatty buildup around the abdomen. Even so, this is fairly common practice in animal husbandry, so I'm surprised there's not more awareness of it among us.

Re:IT Stud? (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | about 2 years ago | (#42476457)

Someone in IT who can make their own booze.

I think we can all agree that's pretty awesome.

Re:IT Stud? (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about 2 years ago | (#42477579)

The one with the most RAM.

Sake vs. Vodka (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475555)

Which is the more boring, tasteless beverage? It's close!

Re:Sake vs. Vodka (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475741)

Come on! By definition, vodka is pure distilled alcohol and water. The closest it gets to tasteless, the better.

Nihon-shu (aka sake) is a complex fermented wine with a range from sweet to dry and complex fruity and yeasty undertones. It's usually 15% alcohol or less. If your Nihon-shu tastes boring or like vodka than either you have an extremely poorly made version or no sense of taste or both.

True, it's a much more subtle drink than wine or whisky. But that doesn't make it bland or uninteresting. There are striking and very noticeable differences between good varieties of Nihon-shu--much more so than Vodka or even Tequila or rum.

Re:Sake vs. Vodka (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475851)

It's probably close if you're a Russian that has destroyed all their taste buds from drinking vodka since birth.

Sake has a wide variety of flavors. I particularly like cold sakes more than warm (and even more specifically plum sake).

Re:Sake vs. Vodka (1)

Applekid (993327) | about 2 years ago | (#42475911)

Pro tip: drink it cold (not ice cold, fridge cold is close enough, although take it out for a bit so it can not be quite so cold) and you will be able to actually taste it.

Also, if the place you buy sake from has only one variety on the shelf, it's not the right place from which to buy.
If you are only going to experiment once, I highly recommend Ginga Shizuku's Divine Droplets, an absolutely fantasic Junmai Daiginjo. If you want to try something completely unlike any sake you might have been served in the past, try a Nigori like Tozai's Snow Maiden.

Re:Sake vs. Vodka (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | about 2 years ago | (#42476279)

Also, though it's a tad ironic to mention in a thread spawned by a 'kura' in Texas, don't buy domestic. A lot of the mass produced crap from Gekkeikan, Sho Chiku Bai, etc. (the Budweiser and Coors et al of Nihonshu) is made in the US and even their own employees admit they'd never serve what they make in the US to Japanese people. Now maybe this Texan company is inspired enough to worth trying, but in general, buy imported.

ALSO: Nihonshu is not wine! It doesn't age well (by and large, there are special exceptions), so if it's older than ~18 months do not buy (imports sometimes are dated in the Japanese imperial calendar which is annoying and I still haven't learned it). If you see somebody who doesn't know what they're doing selling namazake off a shelf at room temperature (I've seen this!) DO NOT BUY! Namazake is unpastuerized, must be refridgerated at all times, and should be consumed within 3 months.

really? (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42475571)

I've been programming computers for 30 years, and this morning I took a dump that had a wide array of browns in it. Maybe that should be a /. article?

Do you think if I went to a Sake* website, do you think they would talk about this guys IT work because he also happened to make sake?

If everything is going to qualify as news for nerds, whey not just call it dumb ass random internet stories for dumb as random people?

*note the 'e', idiot.

Re:really? (1)

Megane (129182) | about 2 years ago | (#42476023)

That's because this is apparently a Roblimo blog entry. (Which I'm not complaining about, FWIW.)

If you want something to complain about, how about the quality of "Ask Slashdot" articles? (Then again, from what I see in firehose, it's not like they have a lot of good stuff to pick from. There's a whole lot of "just fucking google it", "you expect /. readers to know enough about your obscure shit to give advice?", etc. submissions in there.)

Re:really? (1)

twistofsin (718250) | about 2 years ago | (#42479605)

Lighten up!

Many geeks consider Sushi and Sake part of "geek culture" and home brewing is definitely a geeky pastime.

I enjoyed the videos and am glad it was greenlit. If it doesn't interest you then just scroll down to the next article ffs. Pull the stick out of your ass to.

Why in Texas? (2)

Sez Zero (586611) | about 2 years ago | (#42475637)

Why do they grow rice in Texas (a drought state)? There's always a big hubbub in Austin when the LCRA releases water to the south Texas rice farmers when we're in the middle of a drought.

Don't grow rice in a desert!

Re:Why in Texas? (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | about 2 years ago | (#42476345)

Why do they grow rice in Texas (a drought state)? There's always a big hubbub in Austin when the LCRA releases water to the south Texas rice farmers when we're in the middle of a drought.

Don't grow rice in a desert!

You can grow rice without flooding the field; however, you save a lot of pesticide if you do. Water is a green pesticide.

Re:Why in Texas? (2)

interval1066 (668936) | about 2 years ago | (#42476519)

Don't grow rice in a desert!

Texas has only had problems within the last few years, the Rio Grand is still one of the biggest, fertile waterways in the the mid south.

Re:Why in Texas? (1)

findoutmoretoday (1475299) | about 2 years ago | (#42478043)

Texas has only had problems within the last few years, the Rio Grand is still one of the biggest, fertile waterways in the the mid south.

or is it

The water of the Rio Grande is over-appropriated: that is, there are more users for the water than there is water in the river..

Re:Why in Texas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42479309)

This can't be overstated enough: TEXAS IS HUGE. We have deserts in the west and pine forests and swamps in the east. Rice is grown around Houston, which averages almost 50 inches of rain a year.

Re:Why in Texas? (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#42479587)

Common ignorance. Texas is not a "desert" with tumbleweeds blowing about. West Texas, maybe, but Texas is a pretty big place. Bigger than France. Texas has all of the major terrain types except rain forest and tundra. On the Gulf Coast near Houston, it is watery and swampy. Floods are a common hazard. THAT'S where the rice is grown, asshole. Desert, bullshit.

we've had american (1)

nimbius (983462) | about 2 years ago | (#42475659)

sake for quite some time, its brewed in california by Takara Sake. Brands like Sho Chiku Bai and Takara Sierra rival the best imported brands from japan on a consistent basis. Their Nigori sake is an accurate and high quality representation for example. Color me skeptical but having experienced texans attempt at bourbon whiskey, and 'lone star' beer, i am not very excited to see their tenuous jaunt into sake.

Re:we've had american (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 2 years ago | (#42475817)

Gotta say the inexpensive Japanese run American Sake brewery (Gekkaikan) produces a superior product at a great price IMHO. I won't claim it rivals the best Japanese brands though.

Don't recall the brand, the stuff brewed in Berkeley tastes like ass.

Re:we've had american (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about 2 years ago | (#42476381)

As a fan of sake in general and nigori sake in particular the price of Gekkeikan certainly reflects its quality. To get a truly good nigori unfortunately you need to spend some bucks.

Re:we've had american (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | about 2 years ago | (#42476401)

Domestic Gekkeikan and SCB are crap. Takara USA is mediocre. It's all personal taste, so if you can float your boat on the cheapest, most generic and readily available domestically produced Nihonshu, in some strange way I envy you.

However 100% of the people I've talked to who've tried "sake" and left with an impression that ranged from unimpressed to disgusted were those exposed to those domestic products. I've given people who thought they hated sake some awesome imports (like Bunraku's Nihonjin no Wasuremono, sweet jesus), and they completely flipped opinions. Americans are not going to develop a love of Nihonshu when the first things they're given are the equivalents of Budweiser and Coors.

Re:we've had american (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 2 years ago | (#42477603)

Hot with sashimi is about the only way I drink Sake.

I found the Takara to be much, much worse then Gekkeikan. I poured it out (alcohol abuse).

The consensus among the Japanese I know is the American Gekkeikan is 'not bad', amazing value for money.

Re:we've had american (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | about 2 years ago | (#42478219)

You only drink it hot? Are you aware that WW2 and rice rationing are over no longer necessitating a practice that is Chinese in origin? (Though it came originally from a mindset that hot things were healthier than cold things, in WW2 it was a common practice because rice rationing decreased Nihonshu quality and the only way it could be tolerated was through increasing the temperature to mask the flaws.)

Granted, not all Nihonshu is intended to be consumed cold either, and usually the brewer will include a recommendation on serving temperature to achieve the specific flavor profile he designed. So I have to ask, have you ever even had a good cold kimoto or yamahai? That's some smooth complexity...

Re:we've had american (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 2 years ago | (#42478925)

Japanese Horin Gekkeikan on hand. Given to me by a Sake snob. Clearly better then the American Gekkeikan.

I should say warm sake, not really hot. To me sake goes with fish, like red wine I'm not going to drink much of it unless with food.

Still I remember the stuff you claim is better (Takaru), it tasted like ass compared to both varieties of Gekkeikan (which are closer in flavor to each other then the Takaru).

I should also note. I live in the same city as the Gekkeikan brewery (Sacramento). Perhaps they just ship it wrong?

I also wounder about the price affect. There are many idiots (including some on /.) who spend real money on fucking Vodka. They claim that spending $50/750ml makes pure ethanol and water taste somehow different. It's amazing what people can convince themselves of.

Re:we've had american (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 2 years ago | (#42476331)

why have american sake in the first place?
If you're having sake, it's because you're in a japanese restaurant and you want exotism.

Re:we've had american (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | about 2 years ago | (#42476617)

I guess if you're just a hipsterish yuppie maybe. I drink good things because they're good. If I knew a US producer who was as good as Bunraku or Rihaku or something, I'd buy all the time.

Re:we've had american (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about 2 years ago | (#42476395)

Brands like Sho Chiku Bai and Takara Sierra rival the best imported brands from japan on a consistent basis...

Right, which is why I'd like to see if I can order a bottle of this stuff and see for my self.

Re:we've had american (1)

Synn (6288) | about 2 years ago | (#42476705)

I've always liked the stuff from http://sakeone.com/ which is made up in Oregon.

Re:we've had american (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42479025)

sake for quite some time, its brewed in california by Takara Sake. Brands like Sho Chiku Bai and Takara Sierra rival the best imported brands from japan on a consistent basis. Their Nigori sake is an accurate and high quality representation for example. Color me skeptical but having experienced texans attempt at bourbon whiskey, and 'lone star' beer, i am not very excited to see their tenuous jaunt into sake.

My favorite sake is Momokawa (Oregon). As good as a top end Japanese sake, for one third the price. As for the person recommending Gekkaikan. That stuff is as awful as it is cheap. For years I just assumed all sake tasted like ass, thanks to Gekkaikan.

Texas has some very good beers now, but you need to get something from a microbrewery. The people who drink Lone Star are the Bud and Miller drinkers. Shiner is a little bit better and a good choice if the bar caters to the tasteless lager folks. Thirsty Planet (Austin), 512 (Austin), Real Ale (Blanco) and Live Oak (Austin) all produce amazingly good beers.

We've also got some decent vodka now. While I don't like Tito's. I quite enjoy Dripping Springs and Deep Edie.

BTW, please don't include the subject as part of your first sentence. That's from some other forum, not Slashdot and it's just silly and confusing in this format.

Re:we've had american (1)

dane23 (135106) | about 2 years ago | (#42479421)

One whiskey and one beer? Yep, that's all we make here in Texas. Way to get to the bottom of that case Rockford.

Patent Pending Steam on Trays? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475707)

Cool process, but patenting sticking a cart full of trays into a closet full of steam? Give me a break

News for Nerds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475761)

What does any of this have to do with Slashdot? Nothing.

re: rice and water (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42475857)

I'll just note that at least in Central Texas, which has been experiencing both a drought and unprecedented growth, there are some questions as to whether or not rice farming in our part of The Great State should continue.

Please don't put layout elements in TF summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42476171)

Added this to my slashdot user script:

$('.slashtv-river-thumbnail').hide();

Fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42476251)

It's pronounced Sah-Keh, not Sah-Key

smell-o-vision?! (2)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | about 2 years ago | (#42476295)

How about we get proper html5 video first, instead of this flash player nonsense

This is /. and you send me to facebook!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42476305)

Thankfully: This content is currently unavailable
https://www.facebook.com/yhtomit?fref=ts [facebook.com]

The address is wrong or my HOSTS file is working.

Pathetic (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | about 2 years ago | (#42477371)

Although it doesn't really add anything to say so, as a 'sake geek' I have to say it's pathetic that the discussion on this topic so far is more than half about how the summary was worded and less than half about, you know, sake! (Nihonshu)

That was a fun video (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42477717)

Thanks for sharing!

Word "Sake" misused in the west (1)

mutherhacker (638199) | about 2 years ago | (#42477937)

Sake literally means "Alcohol". It's being mis-used in the western world and as such it's no surprise when foreigners visit japan and get blank looks from store-owners when they ask for "Sake". It's like going to a bar and saying "Alcohol please!". Japanese alcohol made (mostly) from rice is called Nihon-Shu () in Japan, which literally translates to "Japanese Alcohol".

arsenic (1)

DriveDog (822962) | about 2 years ago | (#42478379)

How much of the arsenic ends up in the final product?

lol (1)

hamburger lady (218108) | about 2 years ago | (#42478553)

Since Texas, like Japan, grows lots of rice

not for long.

Pronunciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42479187)

His constant flipping back and forth between a reasonably good pronunciation of "sake" and a butchered one (sa-kay vs sa-key, approximately) drove me nuts. Mispronunciation I can understand, but since he does both I can only assume he doesn't hear the difference? Do other English speakers not hear the difference either? Is this a rare case of a phoneme that exists in Japanese but not English (like how the English /l/ and /r/ or /b/ and /v/ sounds are indistinguishable by many Japanese speakers)?

Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42479747)

I wanted to make myself some sake too but then I found out that it requires somewhere around 9 to 12 months to get it done and I quit.
I will never taste sake. ;_;

eh? (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 2 years ago | (#42480017)

So now the slashvertisements have nothing to do with tech?

It's not like this is even news, I've heard of several small sake breweries in NA. There's at least one (I think two, now) here in Vancouver (BC).

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