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New Sony Patent Blocks Second-hand Games

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the one-console-to-play-them-all dept.

DRM 344

silentbrad writes in with a story about a Sony patent that would block the playing of second-hand games. "... the patent application was filed on 9 December 2012 by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, and will work by linking individual game discs to a user's account without requiring a network connection meaning any future attempt to use this disc on another user's console won't work. The patent explains that games will come with contactless tags that will be read by your console in much the same way as modern bank cards. When a disc is first used, the disc ID and player ID will be stored on the tag. Every time the disc is used in future, the tag will check if the two ID's match up and, if not, then the disc won't work. The document goes on to explain that such a device is part of Sony's ongoing efforts to deter second-hand games sales, and is a far simpler solution than always-on DRM or passwords. It's worth noting that Sony has not confirmed the existence of the device, and the patent doesn't state what machine it will be used in, with later paragraphs also mentioning accessories and peripherals. ... There's also the issue of what happens should your console break and need replacing, or if you have more than one console. Will the games be linked to your PSN account, meaning they can still be used, or the console, meaning an entire new library of titles would need to be purchased?"

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Sony shiting on its customers (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474137)

...customers do not (want to) know it and continue buying from these assholes.

Well, have a very nice fuck you year Sony.

Re:Sony shiting on its customers (5, Informative)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about a year ago | (#42474191)

Indeed. Sony is one of currently three companies I would not buy any digital equipment or software from (the other two are Apple and Activision Blizzard).

The rootkit on audio CDs and the deletion of Linux support from the PS3 are not forgotten. The patent in the article is only proof the thinking at Sony hasn't changed, it is not a new trend.

Patents work for once! (5, Informative)

Cryacin (657549) | about a year ago | (#42474243)

So the competition will be less tempted to steal their IP, and I as well as surely many others can take their business to them!

Officially, screw you Sony. I will never, ever, over my dead body buy another product from you, or an affiliated company.

And to their patent lawyers, please, I beg you - Make the patent watertight.

Re:Patents work for once! (2)

usuallylost (2468686) | about a year ago | (#42474333)

I have been avoiding Sony products for at least the last ten years. They are just to prone to putting some poison pill into their stuff that benefits them and screws their customers. Filing patents like this just convinces me that I have been correct in doing so.

Re:Patents work for once! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474355)

Worse yet for Sony if somebody confesses that stunts like this have been used since the first days of computing and were just "Hush Hush" secrets of the companies their patent stands about zero chance of holding anyway.

Re:Sony shiting on its customers (4, Interesting)

Pieroxy (222434) | about a year ago | (#42474405)

The worst of all is that once you've blown your console to bits and you buy another one, you have to buy all your games all over again. As always, this will hurt regular users and encourage piracy for people in this situation will feel entitled (rightly so IMO) to crack their console in order to play their already purchased games. And from that point on they will download torrentz instead of buying because they will hold a (legitimate IMO) grudge against SONY and their console is already cracked.

Apparently, shooting themselves in the foot feels good for them since they do it over and over again.

Re:Sony shiting on its customers (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#42474511)

While I hate this concept, I don't think it has that failing. Since it uses a user account instead of a console id adding the user account to the new console should allow replacing units.

Re:Sony shiting on its customers (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474667)

While I hate this concept, I don't think it has that failing. Since it uses a user account instead of a console id adding the user account to the new console should allow replacing units.

So when Sony decides to ban your account for <something they deem ban worthy (whether it is or not)> you also lose all your games. I bet their EULA will also contain "... by reading this line of text you forfeit your right to sue us as well as grant us the right to use your account in any manner which we see fit, including (but not limited to) claiming (on your behalf) that you did violate our terms and are very remorsefulness ...".

They will also need to pass the cost of this "feature" on to the consumer via the game console as well as a charge per game.

As usual... (5, Insightful)

Puls4r (724907) | about a year ago | (#42474149)

All these DRM schemes are future-failures. More specifically, at some point in the future, you will be denied the game you purchased because of the DRM. Get a new console? Now you have to (somehow) reset your card so you can run it on the new console. Want to take it to a friends house? Pack up your console! Company goes out of business, or stops supporting it because it's obsolete? Say goodbye. In the future, old games won't be worth more because of rarity. They'll be worth more if you still have some way to make them work after their DRM scheme fails. Of course, it will be cracked. Quickly. Which is a GOOD thing.

Re:As usual... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474441)

Or you wind up like this guy:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/11/how-nintendo-drm-trapped-400-of-downloaded-games-on-my-failing-wii/

Re:As usual... (4, Insightful)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#42474571)

A shame since I often find myself going back and playing older games from 10+ years ago.
Many times the companies who made them are long since gone.

I guess "Retro Gaming" is going to be redefined as playing last years Madden or CoD.

IANAL (5, Interesting)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#42474729)

IANAL, but I wonder if such a patent, assuming valid, would be legal to use in the US and other jurisdicitons. There is a lot of case law describing consumer sales and what one is allowed to do with what one purchases, including resale of said goods. While Sony might have a legal patent, it might not be legal to impliment it.

As I said, IANAL, but maybe somebody who is could chime in.

Obvious Solution (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474155)

Just don't buy anything by Sony.

Re:Obvious Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474219)

You think their competitors will do something different?

Re:Obvious Solution (2)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about a year ago | (#42474335)

Resale might be dying either way since physical media is becoming passe, but what I see a lot more of is small developers publishing reasonably priced (sub-$60) games, often without horrible DRM.

You do have plenty of options that don't include this kind of bullshit.

Re:Obvious Solution (5, Informative)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#42474399)

Actually, yes, it is possible. In the e-book market there are books that are now prominently promoting the fact that they are DRM free as a selling point.

If this occurs in the tight assed corporate game market it will take a while, as the customers are more oblivious... but wait until Joe Sixpack from Alabama gets bit by this a few times and you'll see the Ric Romeros of the world start to pick up on it.

Re:Obvious Solution (4, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#42474587)

You think their competitors will do something different?

If people stop buying Sony, you bet your ass their competitors will start doing something different.

I think the days when people start shopping more strategically are coming. When consumers discover the power of their choices, you will see a lot of things change real quickly. For the better. In a lot of areas of our lives.

Shop mindfully, I say. Even if you don't do anything differently, at least be aware of the ramifications of the choices you make as a consumer.

Re:Obvious Solution (3, Insightful)

AlabamaCajun (2710177) | about a year ago | (#42474557)

We did it before with their DRM DVDs and it stung them. Is Sony prepared to get kicked in the pecans again? Because of the DRM scandle, I still don't own any blue ray have gotten rid of Apple products and am dumping Microsoft this year. I also already dumped Verizon and paid out 15 months of contract just to get away from that fray (but I'll save more in that time). Humankind is in a state of rot with all the corporate takeover of people. Corporations now hold higher priority over life itself. Once lawyers coined the phrase "corporate entity" humans became second fiddle to the game of life. Bailouts, rights to discovery and intellect and disaster recovery all go to corporations before it goes to people. #OWS is a good example of this happening today. What was once a solid is now a liquid. In reality we only rent what we use as we can't take it with us when we go. Now we can't even pass it on.

The PS3 Is The Top Selling Console In The World (1, Interesting)

Argerich (2804589) | about a year ago | (#42474657)

The PS3 has been the top selling console in the world for over two years since the Wii started to rapidly fade in popularity.

Console gamers obviously are doing the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.

Boycott Sony! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474661)

I avoid Sony products like the plague. I expect there is nothing that they could do at this point to change that. I wish everyone felt the same way.

Good thing they patent it (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474177)

because then I just need to continue to avoid SONY and it won't affect me.

Re:Good thing they patent it (1)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#42474313)

Patents can be licensed you know.

I don't see the point in this technology though. I avoid discs where I can.

Re:Good thing they patent it (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#42474591)

And I'll then just avoid companies who license and make use of this technology.

Considering the current state of gaming, and the rise of the Indie Dev, I now have more options then ever for gaming.

Remember Steam (2, Interesting)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | about a year ago | (#42474179)

So basically Sony want to do pretty much what Steam already does on the PC and people are saying "it doesn't work". Well guess what. It *does* work and chances are you're already using a service where you simply cannot resell games. As for the rest of the arguments, I heard them before. In 2003, when Steam went online. The world, amazingly did not end.

Re:Remember Steam (3, Insightful)

Shinmera (2514940) | about a year ago | (#42474239)

Except that Steam games are also available hacked, so it does not work. The reason why Steam works is because it makes actually buying the games attractive and it often has extremely good deals with sales months and so on.

Re:Remember Steam (5, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#42474281)

Also with Steam, I'm not locked to a specific machine. I can load my steam account on my Wife's PC or my Brothers laptop or one of my three other computers. Sony wants to lock the disk to a specific machine, which are normally not very portable.

Of course I already avoid all Sony products including any subsidiaries I know about.

Re:Remember Steam (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year ago | (#42474337)

Can you resell your Steam game?

Re:Remember Steam (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474437)

why would I want to resell them when I bought them for about 5€ a piece? I'm pretty sure games for Sony consoles will cost a lot more, which actually would make resale attractive.

Re:Remember Steam (2)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#42474507)

My point was under the proposed system Sony would be selling physical media, but handicapping it. Typically one of the advantages of physical media is I can loan it out or trade it, which would not longer be possible. I wouldn't even be able to play the game on a new console if my old one broke down. While on Steam, I CAN load my steam account on any machine and play a game from my account.

If I was paying $60 a pop for games on steam then I would expect to resell, but I'm not so that doesn't matter to me. I buy steam games so cheap I don't care about reselling them. If my account was lost and I lost all my games I might be peeved since I have quite a few and over time I've spent quite a bit, but typically if it's a game I really like I buy a physical copy so I can keep it in the event that Steam was to shutdown or my account was to be deleted.

Re:Remember Steam (1)

Mordermi (2432580) | about a year ago | (#42474623)

Why does everyone jump to conclusions? Why can't it be like Steam? It could be linked to a PSN account and played on multiple machines via that account. There is no why of knowing, since they didn't specify and since this is only a patent. Though I do agree that the console game prices could use a decrease.

Re:Remember Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474531)

Isn't this what is being described? It links the disc to the user id. Nothing there states the user id is then uniquely tied to a given hardware device.

Until an actual implementation is seen, it's hard to tell if this behave in a steam like manner or not.

Re:Remember Steam (0)

Mordermi (2432580) | about a year ago | (#42474559)

Does it say in the patent that it would be locked to a specific machine? I believe it says that it will be locked to a specific player ID. Now, whether that is a local user on the system or a PSN account, I don't know. But why couldn't it be a PSN account? You can have your PSN account on multiple systems, so I don't see why you couldn't play the disc on multiple systems. If it is PSN, then it only really affects resale of the game. There is no reason that you can't play it on another system, you just have to set up your PSN on that system. Similar to Steam.

OMG!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474721)

OMG Sony!!! Some dumbfuck poster on Slashdot isn't going buy any of your products!!!

So fucking hilarious that fucked in the head losers like you sit here post your dramatic proclamations thinking anyone but the handful of other nutcases here on Slashdot give a shit what some fuckstain does or doesn't buy.

 

Re:Remember Steam (2)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about a year ago | (#42474261)

Some of us are aware of that and adjust our purchasing habits accordingly.
In the case of Steam, I simply won't pay full price anymore for Steam games. I will pay maybe a quarter of the original retail price though. At that point, I'm willing to take the risk that Valve kills my account at some point.

Re:Remember Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474267)

Not being able to sell a used digital game/book/software is something understandable.
Not being able to sell a used physical game/book/software is something offensive.

Re:Remember Steam (2)

lorenlal (164133) | about a year ago | (#42474271)

There is an expectation when you have physical media. If you pay full retail for something, and you can hold the installation (or game media), you should be able to sell it. There may or may not be any laws that reinforce that expectation, I have no idea... But this is why activation schemes, media encryption, and all other sorts of DRM are heavily frowned upon.

It's not a matter of typing it to you, it's a matter of tying it to you and then giving you no way to protect that. You still need the disc to play the game, even if you copy the thing to the local storage. If something happens to that disc, you're SOL. With that risk, why shouldn't you be able to resell the game? You lose the ability to play it, but you gain value in no longer having to protect it.

Steam gives you no physical media, they merely attach the game to your account and you can install it anywhere you are, and play. They adopted a model where there is no expectation of resell, but the good side is that it doesn't take up any desk or cabinet space either. You also don't have to keep fragile media scratch free. The fact that they discount often doesn't hurt either.

Re:Remember Steam (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year ago | (#42474353)

There is an expectation when you have physical media. If you pay full retail for something, and you can hold the installation (or game media), you should be able to sell it.

That hasn't been the case with PC games for years now (and PC gamers stood by and let it happen with barely a whimper). They're just bringing it over to consoles now.

Re:Remember Steam (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#42474521)

Huh?

Assuming the CD key is with the materials where is the problem with it?

I have several PC games I got that way and they work fine. I guess if you have to register with steam or something that might break it.

Re:Remember Steam (1)

Dot.Com.CEO (624226) | about a year ago | (#42474653)

If it's a steam game, you cannot resell it. You can sell your physical disk all you want but whoever buys it won't be able to install it.

Re:Remember Steam (2)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#42474671)

Huh?

Assuming the CD key is with the materials where is the problem with it?

I have several PC games I got that way and they work fine. I guess if you have to register with steam or something that might break it.

Because Sony's patent isn't about the user having to enter a key, but the console somehow modifying the disk so that the disk and console are linked and the game will only play on that specific console. Basically, once the game has been installed, it can never be installed on another console again, thereby killing off the second hand game market.

Assuming the patent is valid, it will be interesting to see what the courts have to say about the legality of using it.

Re:Remember Steam (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about a year ago | (#42474427)

Steam gives you no physical media

That is true if you buy from them directly online.

OTOH if someone goes into a store and buys a copy of one of valve's recent (since HL2) games or a game from another publisher that has bought deeply into steam then they have a physical copy and yet the only way they can use it is to permanently tie it to my steam account.

IIRC initially if you installed from the disc it insisted that you both have the disc in the drive and were connected to steam (though if you installed from the internet they didn't even if your "license" originally came with a disc). Dunno if they changed that in an update.

Re:Remember Steam (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about a year ago | (#42474431)

permanently tie it to my steam account.

That should be "thier" steam account. I initially wrote the sentance in the first person but then changed it to the third person since i've personally never bought a retail copy of a steam game.

Re:Remember Steam (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474285)

Though it was a recent legal battle, in at least in one European country Steam has to allow resale of purchases. Don't know when it is coming into effect or if it will proliferate to other regions, but it is a battle fought and lost by them.

Re:Remember Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474783)

I've not heard of this before, nor does Google give me any results: Where are your sources? Why are people modding you 'Informative' when no sources have been supplied?

Re:Remember Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474331)

So basically Sony want to do pretty much what Steam already does on the PC and people are saying "it doesn't work".

There are differences. Steam doesn't care if the machine I'm running a game on isn't the same as the first machine I ran it on, as long as I prove I own the account by logging in. If my PC breaks, I can run steam on my new one and play the games just fine. If I visit a mate's house I can use my account on his machine fine. If I have more than one PC Steam doesn't give a damn.

As pointed out in the summary, these are all issues with the tags system.

I'm not saying Steam doesn't have flaws, but they're nowhere near as large as the flaws in this sytem.

Re:Remember Steam (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474469)

HOW DARE YOU SPEAK BADLY ABOUT OUR BELOVED STEAM.

Seriously, though, I've noticed that any bad-mouthing Steam instantly leads to dozens of, "No, it's different, and here is my weak ass reason why" posts, no matter what the forum. I find that fascinating.

Re:Remember Steam (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#42474673)

I think this is because steam sells cheap games. I have had a steam account since it opened. I still will not risk full price and any game I really expect to like I get a physical copy of so that I can crack it if the day comes that Valve burns me.

I pretty much stopped buying games, until they added linux support. I am more than willing to risk $6 on Serious Sam 3, even if it means I might one day lose access to the game.

Re:Remember Steam (2)

DaveGod (703167) | about a year ago | (#42474519)

This is not doing "pretty much what Steam already does on the PC". The only thing they have in common is that games bought with it cannot be sold second-hand.

Re:Remember Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474837)

you deserve to be modded up because the steam way of doing business IS worrisome, and it seems a good comparison at least at first. However I must argue that:
- steam is not locked into just one machine, I could actually lend my whole videogame library to a friend while I'm not using it, just by giving him my steam login,
- when you use a playstation machine you're using a dedicaded machine that is not compatible with anything else, that's already pretty bad on it's own, adding even more locking down without any new convenience just for the sake of locking goes against the consumer and makes your comparison with steam seems kind of unfair,
- steam games MAY exist outside the steam ecosystem since you have keys for each game, that's quite the oposite when it comes to the playstation ecosystem.

And Sony continues the war (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474193)

The War against its own Customers :S

They seem content swirling the drain...sad

Customer focus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474195)

Yet another solution from Sony designed at alienating customers. More reason to avoid their inferior products.

This is Sony we are talking about here (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about a year ago | (#42474197)

This is Sony we are talking about here. Why would it even be a question? Of course you will need to buy a whole new catalog of games if your console breaks and needs to be replaced. Sony does not consider their customers to be individuals with whom they enter into agreements to reach mutually satisfying exchanges of goods and services. Sony views their customers as sheep to be fleeced. If you are not a sheep, don't do business with Sony! (I know a few people who are not sheep who do business with Sony, but they are people who are willing to put out the effort to take advantage of certain market conditions).

Re:This is Sony we are talking about here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474247)

This is Sony we are talking about here. Why would it even be a question? Of course you will need to buy a whole new catalog of games if your console breaks and needs to be replaced.

I would be amazed if it isn't both, actually: if your account gets banned, you'll lose all your games. If your console breaks, you'll lose all your games.

This will crack down on that other horror: players letting other people borrow their games. Or, horror among horrors, siblings playing the same games on the same console, but with different accounts.

I mean, it's Sony. They don't do half-evil, they go ALL THE WAY.

Let me be the first to say that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474259)

After having bought over $500 worth of merchandise from Sony in the past year alone, I for one will never pay another dollar to those leisure suit-wearing, coke-snorting, hooker-banging, lets-do-lunch-having, darkened limo cruising, Chardonnay-swilling, New York Times-reading, NPR-listening...

Hold on, I got kinda mixed up for a sec. Let me start over. Those no good leisure suit-wearing, hooker banging....

Fine, but not the problem they should be tackling. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474217)

The 2nd hand market exists because the price of games are too high.

Half the price of games, enjoy more than double the profit. The more than double comes from the fact that more people will likely buy games who would normally only buy brand new games and zero used, and those people who would make more impulse buys of random games just to see if they would like them or not.
It isn't rocket surgery, there has been so many examples of this working and gaining a far higher profit than would be expected.

One hopes that such a system wouldn't be used to lock out entire games, but lock out only extra stuff, or cut out some game sequences that would make the story seem incomplete. But don't lock out the entire game, that's just dick-ish.

Me myself, I am part of the "only buys new games every other season and no used" side.
If games were half price, I would likely be able to buy more than 1.5 the games I normally could.
Your move, gaming industry.

Re:Fine, but not the problem they should be tackli (4, Insightful)

FireFury03 (653718) | about a year ago | (#42474387)

The 2nd hand market exists because the price of games are too high.

Second hand markets will continue to exist, no matter what the price of the new product; so dropping the price of new games isn't going to solve that "problem". I do wonder what effect abolishing the second hand market would have on new games sales though - nievely you might say that new sales will increase because there is nolonger any competition, but that ignores the fact that the customer only has a finite amount of money. Lots of people fund their new purchases (in part) by selling stuff they no longer want, if they can't sell their old stuff they have less money to invest in new stuff. I'd certianly be less inclined to blow £50 on a game if I knew I could never sell it, and similarly less inclined to spend £hundreds on a console if I knew I could never buy any cheap games for it. (But then maybe I'm wrong - I'm not a gamer, I can think of far more fun things to do with my time and money than sit in a darkened room in front of a console for hours on end).

It's Sony... (2)

TractorBarry (788340) | about a year ago | (#42474245)

It's Sony. It's stupid. Why does anybody still buy their crap ? Why does anybody buy any sort of crap like this ?

Re:It's Sony... (1)

Scutter (18425) | about a year ago | (#42474295)

I stopped buying Sony several years ago for this and other reasons. I just laugh when I see them pull more of this crap now.

Re:It's Sony... (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about a year ago | (#42474447)

Some (most) people don't read this kind of news and don't know what they're getting into when they buy a console. If anything, it legitimize piracy because piracy becomes the only way to play your games. After the thing is cracked, who cares what DRM was there originally?

Re:It's Sony... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#42474685)

Some (most) people don't read this kind of news and don't know what they're getting into when they buy a console. If anything, it legitimize piracy because piracy becomes the only way to play your games. After the thing is cracked, who cares what DRM was there originally?

It doesn't legitimize piracy. However, it does help explain why piracy exists.

Re:It's Sony... (1)

DMoylan (65079) | about a year ago | (#42474451)

in the same way the tobacco industry needed to recruit new young smokers to replace those killed by their products sony needs to replace those that are driven away by restricted hardware.

the kids and parents that buy the ps3 are those that haven't experienced the lockouts and restrictions enough to realise there are better companies to support.

on the plus side sony stores around dublin seem to be closing and their sales are slumping so maybe the message is filtering down.

Simple 1 step solution (5, Insightful)

Terry95 (2690775) | about a year ago | (#42474249)

There is a really simple solution to this. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM SONY. Complain to magazines and web sites that review their stuff. If they ignore you then boycott that site / mag too. DONE. Don't bitch and whine about it. Don't wave your arms and scream it's unconstitutional while you stand in line to fork over $75.00 for the latest repackage of the same game you've already played 50 times. Just Freaking walk away! People really fail to grasp this. Don't bother to pirate their stuff. Sure this can be broken - but why? Treat them like they don't exist. Honest you WILL live without Sony. But Sony will NOT live without customers. Then if this actually matters to enough people Sony will become a responsible corporation and behave in polite society. If not then you will have taken the moral high ground anyway, and probably given your money to a responsible studio that doesn't treat its paying customers as mortal enemies. Had you rather be on the side of good - or play Killzone 15? Free choice. It cuts both ways.

Re:Simple 1 step solution (2)

Cryacin (657549) | about a year ago | (#42474289)

I bought Sins of a Solar Empire purely because it didn't have any DRM. It was cheap, and turned out to be one of the more innovative games I had ever played. Well said, and good advice from the Parent Poster.

Re:Simple 1 step solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474411)

Meh, the only thing that doesn't get old after the first hour of that game is the Vangelis soundtrack.

two words (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474251)

FUCK THAT!

-dirtbag

Easy solution (1)

JestersGrind (2549938) | about a year ago | (#42474253)

Do not buy anything with Sony's name on it. Cast your vote with your spending dollars. If enough people oppose this, it will hit Sony where it hurts. Of course if most people don't care, Sony will probably get away with it and set a new low for the industry.

Leave it to Sony (4, Funny)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year ago | (#42474309)

Always behind on technology, but on the cutting edge of evil.

Re:Leave it to Sony (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about a year ago | (#42474549)

Really? PC game vendors have been implementing anti-resale measures for years. Console vendors are just starting to implement them.

Behind on technology? (2)

oneiros27 (46144) | about a year ago | (#42474583)

Where have you been? C'mon... the walkman, trinitron ... minidisc!

Okay, sure minidisc wasn't popular in the US ... and they tried keeping CRTs around for too long due to trinitron ... but back in the 80s and 90s, Sony was way ahead in technology.

Even their laptops were considered years ahead in design 'til Apple put out the TiBook.

So, if you said 'behind on technology for the last 15 years', sure, I could agree ... but *always* behind? no. I mean, they had some of the most advanced rootkits for their time.

(in the bluray vs. hddvd wars, bluray wouldn't have won over HD-DVD if it hadn't taken payoffs to other companies and selling PS3s at a loss ... I refuse to change over to their crap format that just means that I'm forced to sit through 10 min of commercials every time I put in a disk)

Is someone forcing (2)

Swampash (1131503) | about a year ago | (#42474325)

you to buy Sony toys? No? then STFU AND STOP BUYING THEM.

Re:Is someone forcing (1)

Mordermi (2432580) | about a year ago | (#42474481)

Exactly. There is a lot of Sony hate and bashing on here, and why? I buy new games and never resell, so I could care less if it is linked to my account. My Steam games are linked to my account. Also, since everything is eventually moving off of physical media, isn't this just a step towards eliminating said media? Everything is eventually going to be download only and linked to your account, what does it matter that they do it with discs now? Will it make all of your games unplayable if your console dies? I doubt it. I see no good reason to think that it would.

Oh yes, and let's not forget that this is a patent. This does not mean that all games forward will use this. This does not even mean that it will ever make it to the PS4. There are a ton of unused patents out there, so there is no reason to equate a patent to something that is definitely going to happen.

So yeah.. If you don't like Sony, don't buy their product. "I stopped buying anything Sony years ago after such and such incident." Who cares? I know Sony doesn't, and your hate for them is not going to prevent me from buying their product. I am not a sheep, as some would say. I get many hours of enjoyment out of my PS3, and I have no quarrels with Sony. They have a product that I want, and it is a good product.

Boycott (1)

DiSKiLLeR (17651) | about a year ago | (#42474339)

I just don't understand why people put up with this crap and don't just boycott Sony?

Personally I avoid all DRM and walled gardens like the plague for this very reason.

Re:Boycott (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#42474569)

I just don't understand why people put up with this crap and don't just boycott Sony?

One reason is that Sony doesn't actually block sales of games, but they have a patent on blocking sales of used games. Which means Sony can or can not use that technology, as they choose, but everyone else can _not_ use this technology anymore without permission from Sony and without paying license fees to Sony. The second part is surely a good thing. The first part is fine as long as Sony doesn't use this technology.

Don't buy sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474347)

All I got from this article was "Don't buy sony", and that's the same view I have towards every single other company that does crap like this. My 2 cents.

EU Law (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474419)

Think there was a court case in July with the outcome being that it was illegal for publishers to oppose second hand game sales. Can anyone shed some light on this?

UK statutory rights (2)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#42474449)

A seller (store) is responsible that goods work for a reasonable time. Typically two years for electronic goods. A snag is that after six months, the buyer has to prove that the fault was present at time of purchase (within the first six months, the seller would have to prove that the fault was not present at the time of purchase).

I'd consider it a very clear fault if a game that I purchased doesn't work after I had to buy a replacement console for a broken one. And since the fault was intentionally built into the game, having to prove the fault was present is no problem. So stores in the UK and elsewhere in Europe will be very, very, very unhappy with this. I'd also consider it a serious fault if I can't sell a game because it doesn't work on the console of a prospective buyer.

used games fuel sales (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474453)

When I was growing up, I LIVED off used NES cartridges. I would hunt them down at used game stores through most of the '90s. When I graduated college and got my first full time job in 2003, my first big purchase was a gamecube and a bunch of games. Whatever the game companies "lost" due to my used game purchases, they regained multiple times over with my adult purchases. If not for those used NES carts in my younger days, I'm sure that I would have found a different way to spend my time.

And used game sales fuel new sales a different way too. People trading in used games tend to use the store credit to buy new games. Pretending that these people will replace the trade in credit with more money from their pockets once trade ins are not allowed is nonsense. People will buy less games.

First Sale Conflict (1)

skyraker (1977528) | about a year ago | (#42474455)

I'm sure any attempt by Sony to prevent second-hand sales will be highly contested in court on the first sale principle. So if they persue this an injunction will be pushed through while it sits in the court.

Re:First Sale Conflict (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#42474615)

I'm sure any attempt by Sony to prevent second-hand sales will be highly contested in court on the first sale principle. So if they persue this an injunction will be pushed through while it sits in the court.

That might be difficult. I have the right to sell the wallpaper that I put into my living room to you, but I just can't remove it and give it to you in a useful condition. Anyone using this patent could say "You are free to sell this game. It just won't work on any console other than the one it was first played on, so good luck selling it". And this wouldn't stop you from selling the console and all your games together.

I guess I am done with consoles (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#42474499)

The Wii U is not interesting to me, if the PS4 uses this I will not buy it and I flat out will not have Microsoft products in my house.

Maybe I should look into that OUYA thing slashdot keeps advertising.

./ idiocy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474505)

All of you are idiots and a lot are probably unconfessed pirates. If this scheme, or any future scheme from wherever, works, every content producer would license the idea and stop the pirates among you cold. So buying or not buying doesn't really do anything. It seems to just to show how many Playstation 3 owners are in here HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I mean, come on, this is where MOST of all the Sony hate is coming from.

People buy in order to sell later (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474541)

That's one of the main reasons people buy game 'X' at such and such a price - they know that when they eventually get bored of it, they can sell it for maybe 50% of what they paid, maybe 30%, but at least something - so they sell two, three or four games, and buy another new one. We can sell virtually everything else we have bought, why not games? This is ridiculous, and will just lead to fewer sales for Sony - people will soon learn that if they can't sell on their Sony games, they will buy other companies' new games, which they can eventually sell on. It's sheer greed and stupidity, and is bound to fail.

New Name for PS4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474561)

PayStation :)

Ah, Sony doesn't want to stay in business then (3, Insightful)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about a year ago | (#42474577)

So, I have seen the light and realize that Sony is a company that will do more harm to itself then good and therefore deserves to be losing the billions it does.

Sony's gaming division is the only thing Sony has left. They lost in the consumer electronics race for TV's, home audio, mobile audio, eBook readers. I mean the last 20 years of Sony's history has been about failure more then success. However I don't think Sony will create a decent product in the PS4 if this is the direction they are taking by creating consoles that will reject used games and require some kind of network registration to play a new game for the first time.

Sony should do one of two things, either sell off the hardware to Samsung, or sell off their entertainment divisions to Hollywood. By trying to be both a hardware manufacturer and content provider, Sony has always been at odds between trying to protect their content and creating innovative devices, they are failing to do both now.

Sony stopped trying to make the best products and instead are only succeeding in becoming the world's best asshole company, which is amazing given that Apple exists,

Yes, because this is exactly what they'll do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474625)

They'll restrict used game sales which is itself a separate market, and that separate market is responsible for a lot of their newer retail game sales as well.

So SONY is going to bite the hand that feeds and implement a system that disallows a customer to resell their media.

I think not.

I think this will be used for something else, if anything at all. Maybe a way to implement the stupid-ass codes they use now for online passes or something.

But restricting the resell market, altogether? No. If you think that, you're a gigantic fool who hasn't thought outside the box in a long time.

Yet another fantastic reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42474805)

For simply pirating the games, if you want to play them. Why deal with stupid DRM when you get a much easier and better user experience by pirating?

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