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Adrian Lamo Explains His Decision To Expose Bradley Manning

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the manning-up dept.

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ilikenwf writes "Whether you agree with his rationale for doing so or not, Adrian Lamo has come forward to discuss his reasoning for exposing Bradley Manning. Manning, now in federal custody, leaked thousands of U.S. intelligence files and documents. Lamo's side of the story shows that he was concerned for Manning's mental health and stability, and for the lives Manning was risking by releasing classified material — Afghan informants, for instance. Either way, this goes to show that if you're going to release stolen/hacked documents, it's best you do it anonymously and don't brag about it."

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first! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480599)

first!

Re:first! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480641)

fuck, forgot to log in?

Pentagon: the leak "did not disclose...sources..." (5, Informative)

MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481619)

Lamo's concerns regarding disclosure of Afgahan informants from Wikileaks are thus far unfounded, and his claim that "WikiLeaks has a history of hand-waving away the consequences of their disclosures" doesn't seem to jive with the facts in this case. Below is a quote from the relevant section of the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] .

Informants named [wikipedia.org]

Some, including Barack Obama and Hamid Karzai, raised concerns that the detailed logs had exposed the names of Afghan informants, thus endangering their lives. Partially in response to this criticism, Wikileaks announced that it has sought the help of the Pentagon in reviewing a further 15,000 documents before releasing them. The Pentagon said it had not been contacted by Wikileaks. However, blogger Glenn Greenwald presented evidence that the Pentagon had, in fact, been contacted, and that it had refused the request.

On 11 August, a spokesman for the Pentagon told the Washington Post that "We have yet to see any harm come to anyone in Afghanistan that we can directly tie to exposure in the WikiLeaks documents", although the spokesman asserted "there is in all likelihood a lag between exposure of these documents and jeopardy in the field." On 17 August, the Associated Press reported that "so far there is no evidence that any Afghans named in the leaked documents as defectors or informants from the Taliban insurgency have been harmed in retaliation."

In October, the Pentagon concluded that the leak "did not disclose any sensitive intelligence sources or methods", and that furthermore "there has not been a single case of Afghans needing protection or to be moved because of the leak." Both Wikileaks and Greenwald pointed to this report as clear evidence that the danger caused by the leak had been vastly overstated.

Yes, I know I'm threadjacking an FP, but the issue that is often made of this so far non-issue I find annoying, particularly because it tends to overshadow the facts that were revealed.

Remember, folks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481709)

Civil disobedience is still disobedience. That's part of the fun of being this sort of activist.

Thanks for the concern (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480617)

but I think a few years in solitary isn't the best thing for one's mental health and stability.

Re:Thanks for the concern (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480767)

Speaking of mental health, from the interview:

" At age 13, I was violently mugged at a busy train station. There were dozens of onlookers, but none of them lent a hand. It was as though they couldn't see what was obviously happening in front of them, and if they did, couldn't justify to themselves the risks of getting involved. That was a defining point in that stage of my life. After that, I could never tell myself that it was someone else's problem..."

And now Lame-o has internalized the mindset of the bullies who beat his ass, because he projected onto manning the scared little impotent chump he was while he was getting his ass kicked in the subway and now Lame-o has the power. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, right? What a duplicitous, disingenuous little self-righteous and traitorous faggot. I hope lame-o gets his ass jumped again.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Thanks for the concern (2)

drakaan (688386) | about a year and a half ago | (#42480999)

...So, Manning's rationalization for exposing many more people and putting them in a much graver situation must be worse, right?

If you do something you know will put people in danger, then it's only OK if those people are soldiers and foreigners?

I'm guessing the weight of criticism Lamo has faced has forced him to figure out a plausible alternate explanation (aside from "Manning was going to get US soldiers killed, so I turned him in") that was more palatable to folks who don't much care for the US or its military.

I think he is indeed scared, and likely feeling impotent and bullied. I might feel that way too if I snitched on a traitor and got routinely called a "duplicitous, disingenuous little self-righteous and traitorous faggot", and had people wishing I'd suffer a repeat of a public mugging, for example.

Re:Thanks for the concern (4, Interesting)

jhoegl (638955) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481083)

Here is how I read this conversation...
Manning uncovered a lie by the USA Government.
Lamo uncovered a truth about a fellow soldier.
Both had just reasoning, but only one is being punished.
That is the problem here... these events would have never happened had the cover up never been.

Re:Thanks for the concern (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481245)

You're an idiot. Everyone knows governments lie. Manning had alternatives to dumping these docs, by contacting any number of people (heck, even his congressman) who would have been more privy to the information. Further, hackers aren't soldiers, and Lamo isn't some half-baked hacktivist like all of Anonymous.

Re:Thanks for the concern (3, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481279)

...So, Manning's rationalization for exposing many more people and putting them in a much graver situation must be worse, right?

Proven to be false, a complete "red herring".

Re:Thanks for the concern (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481295)

...So, Manning's rationalization for exposing many more people and putting them in a much graver situation must be worse, right?

Yea, about that...

It's been what, 2 years since Manning dumped those files, right? So, if there was any chance that said data would literally endanger the lives of agents in the field, as the government insists, surely said mortal danger would have occurred by now, or the agents would have been pulled, right?


OK, so where's the evidence that Manning's actions really did cause all this personal danger that the prosecution insists occurred? 'Cuz I haven't seen it, and as the months of nothing happening continue, I'm more and more inclined to call bullshit on the claims.

Re:Thanks for the concern (1)

_anomaly_ (127254) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481467)

So, since nothing happened, it wasn't a valid reason for concern? What kind of argument is that against him releasing what he did?

this goes to show that if you're going to release stolen/hacked documents, it's best you do it anonymously and don't brag about it.

Seriously? The submitter thinks that the thing to learn from this is that you need to do things anonymously and don't brag about it? My god. Does anyone think about consequences, or anyone but themselves, before acting anymore? And yes, that's a rhetorical question.

Re:Thanks for the concern (0)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481603)

So, since nothing happened, it wasn't a valid reason for concern? What kind of argument is that against him releasing what he did?

Uh, I never said it was an argument against Manning releasing the documents. I was implying that, since the release there has been absolutely zero loss of life as a result, the governments rationale (we're punishing him so severely because he endangered our agents) sounds more and more like bullshit every day.

Oh, wait, I didn't imply that - I straight up said it.

this goes to show that if you're going to release stolen/hacked documents, it's best you do it anonymously and don't brag about it.

Seriously? The submitter thinks that the thing to learn from this is that you need to do things anonymously and don't brag about it? My god. Does anyone think about consequences, or anyone but themselves, before acting anymore? And yes, that's a rhetorical question.

Okay.... are you somehow confusing me with the submitter? I don't understand why you're directing this rant towards me, please elucidate.

Re:Thanks for the concern (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481733)

Many of the sources are now dead, but that doesn't help anyone sell newspapers or get re-elected.Sucks to see people die because of childish bullshit like this.

Re:Thanks for the concern (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481337)

No, I never said that putting people in danger was conditional upon their nationality or position. Nor am I anti-military, I served.

What I am saying is that the American public has a right to know what its leadership is up to, and that its military should hold itself accountable to the public, especially as our domestic livelihoods are going to shit while the military spends billions and trillions on unnecessary wars. How many soldiers or informants died as a result of the leaks? Zero. The government says that the leaks harm national security, but they don't. What the leaks do is embarass the government and show the American public what their government is up to, and that scares the shit out of them because it puts a hamper on their holy crusade and war profiteering. Classified info is nothing but frequencies, aerial photographs of dirt hills, potential entry points of future wars; and yes, embarassments to our government.

You remind me of one of those idiots I work with, ex-military dinosaurs who still think China and Russia are the bad guys even as they are selling complex electronics to China, one of our biggest customers. You think it's fair that we're throwing millions and billions of dollars at people who hate us while our own are starving and unable to take care of themselves?

Lame-o is nobody but a self-righeous prick who isn't even consciously aware of why he does the things he does, and manages to hide that fact from even himself by using meandering, verbose, and contradictory language. He claims to be sober but still has the slimy selfish attitude of a dope addict. You're right about one thing, though, Lameo is indeed just another sad wimp.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Thanks for the concern (2, Insightful)

Bomazi (1875554) | about a year and a half ago | (#42480893)

He is not responsible for the way Manning was treated. You have to thank your beloved commander in chief for that.

Re:Thanks for the concern (0, Flamebait)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42480921)

A snitch is a snitch even if it's a snitch of snitches.

Re:Thanks for the concern (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481027)

Manning technically snitched on the Army. So in your view, he's as guilty as anyone right?

Re:Thanks for the concern (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481305)

A fair point, in that context.

I'm an honest person, and normally I'd be the last to turn in a whistleblower. But this shit was way over their heads. I can definitely see a thought process something like:

Jesus, is this dangerous information to have out there? Is it dangerous to have someone like this leaking all kinds of classified info? What else is going to release? Maybe it's not going to endanger someone and he'll stop here, but what if it does? The risk here is american soldiers getting blown up or shot, while I did nothing about it. I think I'm going to put this in more qualified hands... ones accountable to the people. It's not my place to make decisions that could cost people their lives. People didn't elect me to do that. If people think this is info that should get out, and Manning isn't doing anything wrong, then they can deal with their representatives accordingly. Yeah, in this case, I should snitch.

Re:Thanks for the concern (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481765)

Snitching on an organization is called whistleblowing... screwing over your fellow man = you're a POS, screwing over the man (or a corp) = you're a hero to some. You're assuming society makes always sense, welcome to the real world.

Re:Thanks for the concern (1)

Normal Dan (1053064) | about a year and a half ago | (#42480985)

Philosophically speaking, what does it mean to be responsible?

Re:Thanks for the concern (2)

catchblue22 (1004569) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481237)

He claims he was concerned about Manning's mental health??? Manning has ended up locked in solitary confinement for YEARS on end. That is cruel and unusual punishment, a stone's throw away from medieval dungeons with assorted torture devices.

Re:Thanks for the concern (1)

sco08y (615665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481857)

That is cruel and unusual punishment, a stone's throw away from medieval dungeons with assorted torture devices.

Yes, except for the three meals a day, regulation cot, freshly laundered clothes, shower, toilet, heating and air conditioning, material to read, contact with family, mental health counseling, religious counseling, legal counsel and lack of torture devices, it's almost identical to a medieval dungeon with torture devices.

Re:Thanks for the concern (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481627)

He is not responsible for the way Manning was treated. You have to thank your beloved commander in chief for that.

Obama ordered Manning to be held in solitary? That seems extremely unlikely. Do you have any facts to point back that up? I did some searches and it seems James Averhart [google.com] was responsible for that call. Obama isn't the source of all evil.

Ironic Name? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480631)

Ironic, his name is Lamo (Lame-O)?

Yeah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480635)

Yeah, I would try to clear me name by claiming ultruistism too.

Re:Yeah (1)

QRDeNameland (873957) | about a year and a half ago | (#42480889)

Yeah, I would try to clear me name by claiming ultruistism too.

Do you mean "altruism"?

Re:Yeah (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481063)

Strange that spell check doesn't work on slashdot input fields, but it does on other forums like reddit.

Re:Yeah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481445)

You frequent Reddit?

Now I understand.

Re:Yeah (1)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481091)

Yeah, I would try to clear me name by claiming ultruistism too.

Do you mean "altruism"?

Except with rocket boots.

Brag? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480639)

He went to him for advice.

Babylon 5 (5, Insightful)

kentrel (526003) | about a year and a half ago | (#42480673)

Notice his bizarre reference to Babylon 5 that seems to be without irony. He's obviously a fan, but did he miss the message the show had about how a group of soldiers had to follow their conscience and expose war crimes and corruption from their government at home. These characters had to deal with propaganda from the government, professional snitches (Nightwatch) and threats of treason and imprisonment from their corrupt government. I guess Adrian Lamo was rooting for President Clarke all along.

Re:Babylon 5 (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480783)

Ugh, quoting a Sci-Fi show in any context for facts and reality - you are excused from the table young man, go to your room and play with your toys.

Re:Babylon 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481021)

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably."

Re:Babylon 5 (5, Insightful)

niftydude (1745144) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481371)

Ugh, quoting a Sci-Fi show in any context for facts and reality - you are excused from the table young man, go to your room and play with your toys.

Science fiction (both literature and tv shows) has a long and noble history of using future scenarios to make in-depth political and social commentary.
In fact, I recall one Star Trek OST episode was considered to be too critical of the Vietnam War, and so was censored down to 9 minutes (!) when it was first aired in Australia to make it less subversive.

If you've never seen past the future tech and aliens to understand the underlying themes to be found in good sci-fi, then I pity you.

Re:Babylon 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42482001)

Pity him anyway, at his age it's very hard to change when you have a closed mind.

Re:Babylon 5 (0, Troll)

Dishevel (1105119) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481127)

If he wanted to expose crimes that the US were responsible for he could have just released the pertinent documents cleaned of mentioning anything that could put a persons life in danger.
What he did was dangerous, stupid and selfish.
He just wanted to be the big man. Fuck Manning.

Re:Babylon 5 (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481327)

Yeah, the people who started these wars and set up the whole situation to begin with are COMPLETELY blameless and aren't responsible for the situations they created or the harm they've done! Fuck Manning! Asshole, making us aware of the horrors the US government commits on a daily fucking basis. What a selfish jerk!

Re:Babylon 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481565)

Not that I expect much ability from an AC but ...
If you had read the first sentence of my post you would not seem like such an idiot.
Hope that was helpful.

Re:Babylon 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481621)

You mean, like Wikileaks offered to, and the government turned them down?
http://www.salon.com/2010/08/20/wikileaks_5/

"Concerned" my ass (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480691)

Yeah, because when I'm "concerned" about somebody's mental stability, the FIRST thing I think of is sending them off to be held for 900+ days in solitary confinement and psychologically tortured.

This sort of post-hoc rationalization is actually *more* embarrassing than Lamo just coming and saying, "yeah, I did it for the fame. Suck my dick!"

Re:"Concerned" my ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480793)

Lamo is a prime grade CUNT for even making this rationalisation.

He's an FBI informant (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480705)

Now I'm going to RTFA and see what cover story did they come up with.

Mental health? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480709)

Turning him over to a government who have since spent much time making his life as unpleasant as possible. I'm sure that's done wonders for his psychological well-being.

I'm still also waiting to hear who had their lives put at risk by Manning... More to do with risk to certain peoples reputations, and the credibility of the US government.

Lamo only cares about getting paid (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480725)

It'd be nice to see Anonymous take on Lamo as a new "project." Someone ought to teach him that there's a price that comes with being a paid informant, even in a police state.

Re:Lamo only cares about getting paid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481325)

Your poorly placed faith in a group of government-puppeteered, 12-year old script kiddies is adorable.

Re:Lamo only cares about getting paid (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481677)

It would be nice to see Anonymous at the bottom of Lake Michigan. You would be a bonus.

Manning betrayed a trust and he's a hero to pathetic losers like you.
Lamo betrayed a trust and hate him.

You are a hypocrite.

It's hard reading (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480731)

Because Lamo can't write a coherent message to save his life.

But the message boils down to "You can't handle the truth. I'm far more intelligent than you are".

Re:It's hard reading (1)

Pliny (12671) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481143)

It though it boiled down to "Pay attention to ME!!!!!!!!!!!!"?

Re:It's hard reading (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481255)

In Lamo's place, I might've done the same.

In Manning's place, I might've also done the same.

I think the problem is the system, not the individuals who feel compelled to expose these things.

Re:It's hard reading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481589)

Thank you. I was beginning to think no one was able to look at this objectively.

Enjoy your pieces of silver (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480835)

Turncoat.

Adrian Lamo is a douche canoe (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480853)

Hasn't he milked enough fame out of this already?

He's not a respected hacker or computer expert or whatever the fuck he thinks he is. He's just a shit heel troll who should be ignored.

Whistleblower protection (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480857)

Free Bradley!

I don't believe him (2)

Mirage (9375) | about a year and a half ago | (#42480911)

I can't believe these were his primary goals at the time. I think he got into something that was way more than he expected, and he pulled a c.y.a. move and sent Manning down the river. Saying he did it for the good of the Afghan people that might be named in the documents seems revisionist. But I guess only he knows, so he gets to tell whatever story he wants.

As Wikileaks is fond of saying: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480953)

"Information wants to be free". They don't mind promoting other peoples' secrets, so it should be no problem to expose theirs.

Just about everybody that gets caught online... (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42480967)

1. used their real name w the accounts they used to commit their crime
2. told somebody what they're doing
3. don't understand enough about computers to not get caught
4. used their home IP

Missing anything? There's a trend forming here...

Re:Just about everybody that gets caught online... (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481241)

Used an actual machine instead of a throw-away virtual one?

Re:Just about everybody that gets caught online... (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481803)

Uhhh... the only incrementing evidence there is the MAC address, which is hardware specific, but it's easily spoofed without loss of functionality of the machine. Of course VMs auto-assign MAC addresses themselves.

Lamo = Traitor, Manning = Nobel Peace Prize (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480983)

2012: Lamo: Hero, Manning: Traitor
2018: Lamo: Traitor, Manning: Nobel Peace Prize
2020: Manning released . . .

Hold on to your prejudices (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480987)

Either way, this goes to show that if you're going to release stolen/hacked documents, it's best you do it anonymously and don't brag about it."

Manning never "bragged" about anything. He was reaching out to a fellow hacker (who claimed to be a priest that Manning could confess to without consequence).

Manning was in a hostile environment with NO friends and with leaders who were corrupt and untrustworthy. His own father hated him for his homosexuality. He had nobody and was under an extreme amount of stress while trying to expose the corruption of his government. Almost ANYBODY would have made the mistake of trying to seek out a person that would be like-minded.

If this Adrian Lamo were honest and not just trying to save what is left of his "journalism" career, then he would be doing everything in his power to try and free Manning for standing by his principles.

Eyewitness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42480989)

Manning was and still is an eyewitness in a fucked up system he did not consider competent enough to care for consequences of their activities, so he went public. Thats not a question of mental health, but one of common sense.

Unfortunately he came across Lamo, whose condition would make me go very far away from him as he might be in a situation that is not advantageous to discretion. And i am not necessarily talking about the FBI here.

Hate Bradley's treatment, but... (3, Insightful)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481015)

there's a good way and a bad way to leak information to the press. Wholesale dumps that destroy innocuous diplomatic relationships and endanger spies and contacts is a bad way.

Re:Hate Bradley's treatment, but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481131)

Mod this guy up! I don't understand how people can be so pissed off about this. It's not Lamo's fault for how Manning was/is treated. If you read the chat logs and everything, Manning seemed really unstable mentally - I think that the options of him shooting up his fellow soldiers was a concern in Lamo's mind, if you read around. On top of all that, Manning's life in exchange for whoever was mentioned in the dumped files is a worthy exchange IMO.

If he'd come to Lamo and said something like "I'm uncomfortable because I've seen how our government is handling things, and I need to find a proper way to voice and prove this without further threatening anyone's life," I have a feeling Lamo would've actually helped him.

Re:Hate Bradley's treatment, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481229)

Finally an exception to the groupthink.
The neckbeards are out of touch. Most Americans don't support what Bradley did.

Re:Hate Bradley's treatment, but... (0, Troll)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481555)

You're right, most Americans don't support what Bradley did. Most Americans are as morally bankrupt as their leaders are. Most Americans support the TSA, they supported the war in Iraq, they supported the imprisonment of pot smokers for 70 years. Most Americans care more about 20 children killed by a crazy person in CT than they care about 20 children killed by their president in Afghanistan. Most Americans don't believe in evolution or climate change. Most Americans are idiots or assholes or both. If most Americans support you, you're probably doing something terribly wrong.

Re:Hate Bradley's treatment, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481613)

Actually most Americans only care for themselves, and as a result, they elect crappy leadership that gives them all the things they want from the tax coffers while waging wars and letting corporations buy laws in order to keep the cycle going.

What the American people think is irrelevant because they still elect leaders who allow these things to happen.

frost p5ist (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481031)

future. Even 'Yes' to any lube is wi4ed oof OF AMERICA) is the

Lamo is self-serving POS (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481047)

Lamo was arrested in 2003 for breaking into the NY Times website along with Yahoo, Microsoft and other. Before that he broke into various corporate networks, Lexis-Nexis, etc. [wired.com] Facing a possible 15 year prison sentence he took a plea bargain with reduced it to 6 month to be spent under house arrest at his parent's home. How did he get such a sweet deal? Was part of the deal an agreement to become an FBI informant possibly? Because if the Anonymous arrests have proven one thing, when hackers are faced with serving serious jail time, they will rat their own mothers out to cut a deal.

Re:Lamo is self-serving POS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481187)

Doesn't that make calling him a "self-serving POS" unnecessary, as well as all this "snitch" and "traitor" crap? You and anyone else here would sell out to get off the hook for something like this. I've seen people sell out everything they stand for, for even less. If anything, this anger should be turned towards the Congress and President (and those of the past), who cause all of this crap to happen in the first place.

Re:Lamo is self-serving POS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481625)

No, he's a self-serving POS for being a publicity whore who's trying garner media praise for pretending to make a conscientious decision on the info he got. He didn't care one whit for Manning, Afghani informants, national security, or anything other than his own image. Read the Wired article I linked to. Self aggrandizement is what this dude has been about for his whole life. He's owned by the FBI, but he wants other people to think otherwise.

Like with most situations in life... (4, Insightful)

Q-Hack! (37846) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481073)

One has to pick their path.

The things that really sticks out in this saga are 1) Manning had legal resources available to him to expose wrong doing in the classified world. He chose to ignore that route and used the media instead. 2) Lamo looked at the shear number of documents and had to make a choice to either do nothing with the possibility of many people being killed, or turn Manning in with the possibility of facing the death penalty. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

This saga has parallels in history. Think back to the first atomic bombs dropped on Japan. There were those in the program that had to come to grips with the fact that the work they did led to 250,000+ dead. They had basically two choices. Accept the notion that dropping those bombs led the the end of the war and ultimately reduce the total number of dead, or go crazy thinking otherwise, since we can never know for sure.

Right or wrong, Lamo chose his path and I will not fault him for it. Manning on the other hand choose poorly.

 

Re:Like with most situations in life... (5, Insightful)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481231)

Manning had legal resources available to him to expose wrong doing in the classified world.

This assumes it is considered wrong-doing by the people he is required to report to.

So how did they view the wrong-doing? You'll notice the lack of arrests other than Manning.

Re:Like with most situations in life... (0)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481353)

1) Manning had legal resources available to him to expose wrong doing in the classified world.

And absolutely no reason to believe that they would work. And he was right. To date the government has done nothing about the crimes Manning revealed. The government has done nothing to punish anyone who inappropriately classified documents to cover up crimes.

There's no reason whatsoever to believe the result would be different if he had used the official channels to file a complaint. The realistic result is that nothing would be done after filing an official complaint, and he would be the first suspect if those documents were later leaked.

Manning did the right thing in leaking the data. He did the wrong thing in speaking about it.

Lamo fail. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481081)

If he was truly concerned about the leak, he could have informed the DOD about a leak and not the leaker.

Odd that this is not addressed.

Why does he need to explain himself? (1, Insightful)

Intropy (2009018) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481099)

He had evidence of espionage and turned over that evidence to authorities who could act on it. Why does he need to justify that?

Re:Why does he need to explain himself? (2)

PhxBlue (562201) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481213)

"Espionage" in what sense, exactly? He wasn't in the employ of a foreign government.

Re:Why does he need to explain himself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481263)

Treason, then

Re:Why does he need to explain himself? (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481403)

Because the "espionage" is actually evidence of crimes, and the authorities are criminals. I know it's hard to accept, but the people in charge are not always right and good.

Re:Why does he need to explain himself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481647)

And the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

Argh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481169)

I read the article expecting to hear how Adriana Lima came forward and exposed for Peyton Manning.

Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481219)

I would have turned him in, too. Violating a security clearance IS a major felony, regardless of motivation, and releasing classified information without authority is just flat-out wrong. I am far more sympathetic to Wikileaks and Julian Assange, but really don't give one whit what they do to Manning.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481341)

So this is basically the equivalent of "Using pot should be legal, but growers should be arrested."

Hmm, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481253)

For an insight into how Lamo thinks, take a close look at the baseball cap he's wearing in the article.

Summary (1)

faustoc4 (2766155) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481269)

Q: Why?
Lamo: Because I became FBI's bitch

Why? (0)

m0s3m8n (1335861) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481273)

Because it was the right thing to do. Very simple.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481493)

I notice that right and wrong has nothing to do with the actual actions he committed in your mind. How very left wing of you. A person's political persuasion shouldn't be the only factor in which you judge them by.

Your logic isn't simple. It's just perverted and selfish.

History Will Judge Them (1)

Tokolosh (1256448) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481373)

And I'm of the opinion that Manning will be the winner.

Re:History Will Judge Them (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481689)

Hopefully Manning and AssSausage would both be either beaten to death or left out in the cold to freeze solid.
 
What they did isn't whistle blowing. It was reckless and potentially damaging to otherwise innocent parties.

Adrian Lamo: Poster Child for Power Patriotism (3, Insightful)

copponex (13876) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481375)

He's the kind of fuckhead who would be ratting his friends out an invading force the week after they rolled over his town. He's loyal to power, doesn't have any semblance of principles that exist outside of worshiping power, and therefore he's a fucking model American (or German or Frenchman or whomever is running the show).

He probably spends weekends having wet dreams about exposing plots that discredit Old Glory, or any of the principles she has pretended to have over the past 200 years. He sleeps with on hand on a flagpole, stroking it erotically as he tries to imagine a thousand dead bodies and ten thousand eviscerated limbs and container ships full of blood pouring over his naked body to celebrate the March of Freedom -- making a pitstop in weak Arab States before it returns to bring justice to the nigger Filipinos and nigger Mexicanos and Panamanians and Nicaraguans and Hatians, fouling his financial lebensraum and ruining a diverse America predicated on the phallus worship of power and of the gun and all her related orgasms of control and death -- as long as Freedom worships American Freedom unconditionally. Unconditionally, as judicious as God: you are either with Us, or you are against Us and you are doomed to die if you do not obey. But you won't have to wait for hell in the afterlife. This is currently available for overnight delivery, if you call now.

Just before he climaxes, a tear forms in Adrian's eye as he imagines how glorious and good he is, offering the savage Arab a chance to get on their knees and sign up for slavery instead of being killed on the spot. He revels in the moment that God was in the room when his Lord and Savior, George Herbert Walker, decided in his infinite wisdom to kill a few hundred thousand Iraqis and displace two million more in order to improve women's rights by sending tens of thousands of them into prostitution after killing their husbands on the battlefield. In his own way, Adrian has freed the Iraqi people from the tyranny of owning their own resources, and replaced their struggle against corruption of their government with a loss of basic security, infrastructure, and education.

And when he does climax, Adrian thinks about the power he protects. He thinks about raping and murdering a prisoner and then helping cover it up without having to answer to any semblance of a court. He heaves his entire body into rapture as he pictures an innocent man being electrocuted to death by someone from the Agency while Bradley Manning is forced to watch from a prison cell, crying for mercy, as part of his "non-torture" permanent solitary confinement that Adrian bravely initiated because... why?

Because in Adrian's sick fantasy, Bradley Manning is the individual who needs to be cured of dangerous fantasies. But the truth is that Adrian Lamo is a hallow imitation of a human being, and when he passes away there probably won't be a soul left to save. Lamo will worship whoever has the biggest gun, and it will serve him well because parasites make up for their lack of intelligence and abandoned independence with dependence on larger, more powerful entities who will accept fealty from any random piece of shit from the street, including Adrian Lamo.

Re:Adrian Lamo: Poster Child for Power Patriotism (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481459)

I hope your posting privileges get removed.

Re:Adrian Lamo: Poster Child for Power Patriotism (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481687)

I hope you have diarrhea. For 6 hours non stop.

Re:Adrian Lamo: Poster Child for Power Patriotism (1)

Spectre (1685) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481671)

...

And when he does climax, Adrian thinks about the power he protects. He thinks about raping and murdering a prisoner and then helping cover it up without having to answer to any semblance of a court. He heaves his entire body into rapture as he pictures an innocent man being electrocuted to death by someone from the Agency while Bradley Manning is forced to watch from a prison cell, crying for mercy, as part of his "non-torture" permanent solitary confinement that Adrian bravely initiated because... why?

...

I really, really hope the parent poster is some type of forum robot (pseudo-AI) whose algorithm/database has run amok ...

Re:Adrian Lamo: Poster Child for Power Patriotism (2)

Sephwrath (2467088) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481731)

That's the most vitriolic and agreeable post I've ever read. You had me at the first paragraph, the rest was just icing. Nice work, I've vote you up if I had mod points.

Living up to his name ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481435)

... this guy is quite a Lame-O

not really. (3, Informative)

flip-flop (178593) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481559)

This submission text is tainted by the poster's personal opinions - opinions which are, to say the very least, not unanimously shared. If you read the article it is striking how Lamo seems completely bereft of any sympathy for Manning, how he might have possibly fooled him into confessing by promising to treat it in confidence - and how he likes to hide behind complex (made up?) words and phrases instead of answering the interviewer's questions directly. One for the psychologists...

./ needs more fiber (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481599)

Wow. The moral fiber here in ./ has shaken my faith in humanity. So many of you fancy yourselves hackers or part of the hacker culture and saying what Lamo did was traitorous, without even reading a single word of his explanation. I thought what he said in the interview was well thought out and highlights a highly intelligent, and sane person. Of course, he did have 2 years to erudite, but he is by no means any of the shit spewed here. Maybe you all should really read the article before resorting to your knee-jerk ways. He may be lying through his teeth, but everything he said in the article holds a true message. Regardless of who he is, he did the right thing, and it may be tough for the stupid of you to comprehend, but that his words match his actions means that this was the truth from the very start. Whatever happened to Manning while in custody of the law is something Lamo had no control over. I'd turn all of you retards in for backing Manning up. If Manning weren't stupid and really wanted to do good, then he would have filtered the leak to only expose what needed to be. But noooooooooooooo...

Not complicated (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42481615)

He did it because he's a cunt.  And everyone will know he's a cunt for the rest of his life.

To hell with Manning (1)

Vladius (2577555) | about a year and a half ago | (#42481801)

It kills me all of this mindless hero worship for Manning. I don't care that he was gay even though it's obvious he had serious mental issues and should have never been allowed in the service much less given a security clearance. What really bothers me is that after leaking the information he could have likely gone unnoticed afterward. Wanna know how he got caught? He was bragging and making jokes about what he did with Adrian Lamo. Yes sir, that makes him a real hero. Manning was a real bradass...LOL On the other hand I don't agree with the government going after Assange. He's a Swedish citizen that owes no loyalty to the US. If all he did was receive and retransmit what Manning sent them then that's fine. If Assange helped him though that might be a different story. I also don't agree with the mistreatment of Manning. Someone needs to be brought to task for this. We have combatants in custody that are likely being treated better. I wonder. Just how many people may have died due to Manning's leak.
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