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Has CES Lost Its Star Appeal?

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the not-so-bright dept.

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An opinion piece by tech writer David Gilbert looks at how CES might be losing some of its luster. "It's hard to know who the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) really benefits. A common perception is that CES is the place where all the major technology companies launch their latest and greatest gadgets. But this is simply not the case. Let's look at 2012 as an example. Last year's most talked about consumer technology products (in no particular order) were: the iPhone 5, iPad 3, iPad mini, Microsoft Surface, Samsung Galaxy S3, Google Nexus 7, Amazon Kindle Fire HD and the Wii U. How many were launched at CES 2012? None."

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Um, good? (5, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year ago | (#42499743)

The journo in the article is saying that CES is failing because companies no longer use it to launch their latest iteration of gadget. Instead, it's being used to showcase their pie-in-the-sky aspirations. It's becoming less a PR mouthpiece, and more a tech demo for cool, but not production-ready, tech.

In my opinion, that can only be a good thing.

Re:Um, good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500117)

Instead, it's being used to showcase their pie-in-the-sky aspirations. It's becoming less a PR mouthpiece, and more a tech demo for cool, but not production-ready, tech.

So, to use a car analogy, it's what the big 'Auto Show' has become?

Re:Um, good? (3, Interesting)

Denihil (1208200) | about a year ago | (#42500183)

it's become a showroom full of flying cars. they're super awesome, but they're not quite at production status yet,

Re:Um, good? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500605)

Speaking of no (re)production...

I just LOVE it when my Mistress steps on my BALLS until I PASS OUT!

Her stiletto heels are the best! If we go slow and savor every moment she uses sneakers.

Re:Um, good? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500357)

Notably absent is M$. But hey, why connect with consumers and compete in an open market when you can just legislate?

Re:Um, good? (2, Interesting)

Dave Emami (237460) | about a year ago | (#42501451)

Yes, Microsoft is absent this year, but Apple hasn't been there for ages, so any complaints about Microsoft apply to Apple many times over.

Re:Um, good? (2)

gtirloni (1531285) | about a year ago | (#42503467)

Sheeeesh. You're sounding too rational for /.

Don't move, leave slowly. Nobody will get hurt.

Re:Um, good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42511163)

Sheeeesh. You're sounding too rational for /. Don't move, leave slowly. Nobody will get hurt.

Heh. That would explain the person who modded it down as Troll.

Consumers vs Techs (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42502031)

I'm not sure that's so wise for a consumer show? If it was a tech enthusiast show maybe. I wouldn't bring my unfinished goods to market... don't keep consumers waiting or else!

Re:Consumers vs Techs (4, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year ago | (#42502293)

Thing is, it wasn't a consumer show. It was a journalist show. There's no such thing as a consumer show anyway - if consumers were excited enough about the goods in question, they'd be tech enthusiasts by definition.

Re:Consumers vs Techs (1)

dwightk (415372) | about a year ago | (#42505109)

consumer modifies electronics... they are consumer electronics... it isn't a *consumer* electronics show, it is a *consumer electronics* show

Re:Consumers vs Techs (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#42506225)

consumer modifies electronics... they are consumer electronics... it isn't a *consumer* electronics show, it is a *consumer electronics* show

Exactly. It's stuff that's going to show up to buy later tihs year, hopefully. Or at least supposed to - CES does have a habit of showing off really cool stuff that ends up not getting released in the end.

Though, I think "consumer electronics" has gotten very broad, given there's a whole bunch of non-consumer electronics out there as well. Stuff like RED cameras (a year's disposable income, anyone?) and lots of vendors showing off their new SoCs with the latest geegaws, but not something most people buy, but what the Apples/Samsungs/Asuses/etc buy.

Sort of like how E3 ("Electronic Entertainment") is really more about video games than any form of electronic entertainment (which can include anything from Netflix and the like to those dinky handheld games).

Re:Um, good? (5, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#42502305)

CES has been drowning for awhile, now. It's too soon after the new year for people to have any energy and really prepare. It's filled with crap that is too far in the future to be relevant, but too close to today to be interesting (for example, 4k televisions -- which are too expensive and far away from being even remotely affordable but too near in our future to be pie-in-the-sky-fantasy-interesting). It's filled with wireless speakers, soundbars, ipad covers, iphone attachments, shitty phones, next year's shitty ultrabooks and tablets that will be considered a failure the year after *that*, and lots of shitty little gimmicks. It's basically like being subscribed to the Engadget website's RSS feed, but in meats-space. Ick.

I feel bad for people who have to attend CES to report on it, these days. Especially those doing it for TV and net shows, where they have to produce a lot of content in quick succession. Dealing with the crowds and Vegas itself and the endless halls of schlocky garbage for what amounts to very little that really gets your tech-buzz or day-dreaming purring seems like an absolutely miserable task.

Re:Um, good? (1)

rshimizu12 (668412) | about a year ago | (#42504435)

Large generic trade shows/conferences are fading away. Comdex is gone then Network World died and now CES is slowly fading away. There is just not enough ROI for many exhibitors and attendees. These days the more focused conferences are surviving. Conferences have gotten to expensive. Your average conference is pushing $2000 and that is a lot when you factor hotel and travel. MS set a new record of $3000 for it's World wide developers conference a few years back.

Snookie Fones (2)

Cryacin (657549) | about a year ago | (#42499747)

From TFA:

But travelling halfway around the world to see someone from Jersey Shore launch a pair of headphones, just doesn't seem to be cut it anymore.

Yeah, that's reason enough for me to run for the hills.

Re:Snookie Fones (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500611)

Jesus Harold Christ Snookie and her friend are such shallow drama-queen useless CUNTS who need to get the fuck over themselves. They're like two-year-olds who somehow ended up implanted into adult bodies. God damn just how shallow and self-centered can a woman be? Does it get worse than them?

Yeah she has a nice body but the bait ain't so appealing when you can see the hook! Any man who would be with her will get the HELLISH life he deserves. They should be permanently surgically sterilized for the good of the land.

Re:Snookie Fones (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42501537)

you think she has a nice body? wow !!
shes looks like she has taken more loads than grandpas old dump truck.
you should get out side more often---look at some real women and then come back and we can talk about realy beauty

even on tv ------>http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1434&bih=695&tbm=isch&tbnid=LIaeZ6miLaI34M:&imgrefurl=http://www.fiscalsummit.com/%3Fp%3D1090&docid=EfQJ5o0j5sVy9M&imgurl=http://fiscalsummit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/bio.burnett.jpg&w=211&h=252&ei=kmTqUObrBcPkiwL57oHIDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=316&vpy=324&dur=11470&hovh=201&hovw=168&tx=68&ty=219&sig=112786452293491359313&page=1&tbnh=149&tbnw=122&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0,i:186

nice bodyWOW truly --->rotfl

Re:Snookie Fones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42503135)

Yeah, that's reason enough for me to run for the hills.

True. Anyone wanting to find overpriced headphones designed with the motto "just keep adding bass until people buy it" can head straight over to Monster Cable, and pick-up a a 60 dollar 2 metre HDMI cable while they're there.

Coming soon from Monster Cable. A magic amulet, which when worn, increases signal fidelity in your audio cables, leading to warmer spherical sound! Guaranteed made from 14% iron sourced from genuine meteorites!

Horrible article - auto-plays video (5, Insightful)

Rurik (113882) | about a year ago | (#42499761)

An article that automatically plays two videos, one with full audio, upon being loaded? Such actions should preclude such articles from being posted.

Won't somebody please think of the bandwidth?!

Re:Horrible article - auto-plays video (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500269)

I sure hope you don't use Facebook, if Facebook decides to go through with their plans... not that Facebook's site isn't bad enough already with its bandwidth and bullshit....

Re:Horrible article - auto-plays video (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500641)

An article that automatically plays two videos, one with full audio, upon being loaded? Such actions should preclude such articles from being posted.

Won't somebody please think of the bandwidth?!

It's not Slashdot's fault that you're too stupid to use NoScript.

"My name's Rurik and I like to be at the mercy of every shitty poorly designed web site. I sure as hell don't want to take any control over my experience, ohhh noo, I want the web to be a total push medium just like TV! That way I never have to do any thinking or make any decision for myself, cuz all that's just tooo hard *whine*".

Fuck. That. Shit. And fuck you with it. Stop crying about something when you could be doing something about it.

Re:Horrible article - auto-plays video (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year ago | (#42502429)

I thought pretty much every major browser had a plugin that prevents autoplay of videos available. Hell I think I have about three installed in firefox since different people think it's obnoxious enough that they all include it as a feature.

Re:Horrible article - auto-plays video (1)

afidel (530433) | about a year ago | (#42505145)

Wow, somebody on slashdot has yet to install flashblock? I think that says more about you than it does about their site =)

Tech is commodified now (5, Insightful)

50000BTU_barbecue (588132) | about a year ago | (#42499769)

It's no longer something surprising, or requiring "buzz" from a tradeshow. No one attends tradeshows for farm equipment except other farmers and a few mech engs here and there. We just open the fridge and expect a complex world-wide net of dependencies to put an apple in the bin.

Same with technology. It's a faceless world-wide empire of giant companies, no one cares except the people directly involved in creating the things. We just shop online, say "ohh shiny" and buy whatever.

Stuff is also a lot cheaper so there's less risk in buying things on sight alone. Back when an empty motherboard cost thousands of dollars, it made sense to spend time and money to check things out in person. Not anymore.

The only thing that can change that equation is booth babes.

Where is Ceren Ercen these days anyhow?

Re:Tech is commodified now (3, Informative)

mystik (38627) | about a year ago | (#42499849)

She's right here:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/cerenercen [linkedin.com] :)

Re:Tech is commodified now (0)

Nostromo21 (1947840) | about a year ago | (#42500305)

Just to be clear, I'd do her even if she wasn't an infraops chickee-babe! <EG>

Re:Tech is commodified now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500341)

She is delicious beyond words. The physical attraction is obvious, but I want to know her.

Re:Tech is commodified now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42503463)

I don't encypt my email because I am sure that 90% or more of the people I email would then be unable to read it. Of the few people that I email that I know have an OpenPGP key, I do encypt email to them. The rest, how should I encypt my emails?

Re:Tech is commodified now (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#42500619)

In a way it might be comparable to a gun show though. People of all stripes go to gun shows, except of course pacifists. Firearms are pretty well commoditized. Like technology, there are so many variations of them and even a lot of engineering that goes into them. Not only that but there's a lot of survival and outdoors gear, military surplus, knives of all kinds, and more.

Re:Tech is commodified now (1)

Wovel (964431) | about a year ago | (#42503925)

Gun Shows exist for a very different purpose. They are designed to support the private exchange of firearms between individuals... CES does not exist for that (or anything like that) at all.

Waiting around for CES... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42499775)

...to launch a product is suicide.

Large companies don't use CES that way.... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42499801)

They have there own conferences and that is where they announce there latest and greatest product. Given that these companies are the ones with the advertising dollars it is no wonder CES isn't where the most talked about product launches are announced/demonstrated. That doesn't mean CES doesn't have cool stuff. It just means it is smaller companies and/or not leading products from the largest companies that end up at CES.

Re:Large companies don't use CES that way.... (1)

davester666 (731373) | about a year ago | (#42501535)

I would say what's killing CES is what happened last year. A kajillion companies launched/demo'ed/promoted tablets. Some that actually worked, some that were just assembled parts, some what were just plastic models. A tiny fraction of them actually shipped.

I wonder what this years "product" will be.

Changing market (5, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#42499843)

A lot of the new technology is more mobile related, that is usually presented at Barcelona instead.

Also, lot if not all of those announcements were done by big companies doing their own, exclusive events, focused mostly single products, very awaited and with long enough preannoucements campaigns, usually not meant for shared space/attention with other companies.

Not surprised... (5, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#42499867)

Fairly well known musicians play at music festivals, where they can be one of many drawing people to go there. Superstars hold a concert and fill a stadium all by themselves. Why launch at CES if you're big enough to get all the attention you want on your own without sharing the spotlight?

Re:Not surprised... (2)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about a year ago | (#42500321)

"Why launch at CES if you're big enough to get all the attention you want on your own without sharing the spotlight?"

Not saying this is the case at CES, but I see some good reasons for a superstar to share the spotlight with other stars. Winning in the Olympics, where there are more star athletes, gives you more prestige than winning at a sports event where your competitors aren't quite world class. So I say it depends. If you have a mediocre product, launching at the same tech show as Apple would be the kiss of death. But if you're Apple and you know you have a great product or at least one that "looks" great to the industry press, then it wouldn't hurt to be the supernova that outshines a galaxy of so-so gadgets.

Re:Not surprised... (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year ago | (#42500477)

But if you're huge like Apple and you launched your product at a show where there is potentially another product better yours, its damaging to your brand.

If you're huge you stand out on your own surrounded by your own marketing. Everyone in attendance can go "wow" instead of "wow, that does almost everything that product over there does"

Microsoft always last to leave the party (4, Informative)

Tough Love (215404) | about a year ago | (#42499881)

Microsoft is famously last to leave the party. Remember Comdex? After years of scatch-your-eyes-out boring keynotes by Bill Gates, it finally bit the biscuit. Microsoft kept going right to the bitter end. Replay at CES: Microsoft to announce the walking wounded XBox 720 without the remotest chance of keeping up with even mid specced PCs, and with idie revival the new game in town. Clue train on the way, last stop is Microsoft.

So are Nokia attending CES 2013? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500293)

Well mini-Microsoft, aka Nokia are presumably also attending to show off their new and exciting Windows RT tablet product and their range of 'top' selling Windows phones?

Re:Microsoft always last to leave the party (1)

timeOday (582209) | about a year ago | (#42500551)

Am I totally misunderstanding you? Microsoft is not exhibiting at CES this year. FTA: "Microsoft, one of the mainstays of CES for many years is not in Las Vegas this week, deciding last year that it would take a year out from giving the keynote address by its head man - formerly Bill Gates, lately the Marmite-like Steve Ballmer.

Microsoft also went down the route of holding it's own one-off launch event for the Surface tablet, showing once again that CES is not the place to show off your next big thing."

Re:Microsoft always last to leave the party (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42504049)

This comment shows that Slashdot users like CES are stuck in the 90s. Microsoft isn't even at CES this year, but yet this troll can't resist taking shots at them. CES is irrelevant and now so is Slashdot.

Re:Microsoft always last to leave the party (1)

David_Hart (1184661) | about a year ago | (#42507439)

Microsoft is famously last to leave the party. Remember Comdex? After years of scatch-your-eyes-out boring keynotes by Bill Gates, it finally bit the biscuit. Microsoft kept going right to the bitter end. Replay at CES: Microsoft to announce the walking wounded XBox 720 without the remotest chance of keeping up with even mid specced PCs, and with idie revival the new game in town. Clue train on the way, last stop is Microsoft.

The Xbox 720 isn't supposed to be announced until later this year at the Electronic Entertainment Expo. Rumors are that the Oban chips just went into production. There are rumors that the PS4 will be announced at the end of February, but more like is an E3 announcement as well.

CES glory days were the 1980s (4, Insightful)

tjstork (137384) | about a year ago | (#42499891)

CES's glory days were the 1980s, during the first personal computer boom. Then, everyone I think introduced stuff at CES... I remember reading old Compute! and Byte for goings on at the CES - there were reviews of the new Ataris, Apples, Commodores... and then I think even console systems were introduced there as well. So, CES meant, PC in its exciting newness, and already the luster faded a bit as computers became more commonplace. I imagine CES is still pretty cool, and if I were a retailer, I would think I'd want to check it out for the not marquee labels that introduce things that might still sell. But its not the center of the computing universe that, for one brief time, it was.

Re:CES glory days were the 1980s (2)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#42500633)

> the luster faded a bit as computers became more commonplace

Not just commonplace, but the diversity and creativity has disappeared from the market.

The luster faded as the field narrowed from literally hundreds of different platforms, to just two for the consumer level, and then eventually, one, for the desktop (OSX machines are just IBM PC clones with a different OS). There's only a little bit of excitement for portable platforms, but again, there hasn't been anything Earth-shattering for the journos to get excited about. You get a choice between just three major platforms, ARM, Apple, and x86/x86-64.

"We have both kinds of music here. Country and western!"

Meh.

--
BMO

Re:CES glory days were the 1980s (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#42503471)

There are arguably MORE different computing platforms than ever. They just don't look or act like the 'general purpose' computers that you, and I suspect much of the rest of the Slashdot demographic, is waxing nostalgic about.

Everything north of pencil has a CPU in it. There are more opportunities to interact with electronics from a consumer standpoint than ever. They just don't have floppies and RS-232 ports.

Not saying this is cause and effect, but... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42499927)

2013 is the first year Microsoft has missed CES since 1995. In fact, either Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer usually delivers the CES keynote. This year, no booth, no Surface, no Windows 8, no Windows Phone, no Xbox, nada.

2013 also marks the shift in scheduling: AEE (Adult Entertainment Expo, the industry convention for porn stars) is now being held the week *after* CES, instead of *the same week* on the Vegas strip (which used to give both presenters and attendees extra incentive to book a trip to CES).

Coincidence? Ah yeah, I guess..

Re:Not saying this is cause and effect, but... (2)

soundguy (415780) | about a year ago | (#42500637)

AEE changed the schedule in 2012. Also, instead of holding it at the gigantic Sands Expo like they did for years, they physically moved the show to several very small and wholly inadequate separate conference rooms at The Hard Rock Hotel. Apparently they didn't learn their lesson, because they are holding it there again this year.

Since there were buses to the LVCC from the Sands all day long, you could travel between the shows easily. I think AEE moved because their main crowd got tired of paying the "jacked-up-5-times-higher-than-normal" room rates during CES.

Re:Not saying this is cause and effect, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42513503)

Might be worth paying higher Vegas hotel rates to catch Malena Morgan [yahoo.com] though.

I dont care about any tradeshow. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42499967)

The idea of a tradeshow somehow being important is just stupid. Its companies showcasing their products, they dont need a show to do that. They could just do it themselves without wasting millions of dollars. Samsung want to show off some kick ass new tv with video, descriptions and pictures? They could do that on their website anytime they want to.

Tradeshows are basically just scams run by the people who operate them. Companies spend a lot of money and time and energy to be at them for no real reason. If companies actually collectively said "We spent like 8 million bucks going to e3 and ces. How about we dont do that this year, save 8 million bucks and just advertise on our websites" then ces would be no more and millions would be saved.

I know tradeshows are just ways of getting advertising time and all but I just dont give a shit.

1- I still cant own or purchase items at a tradeshow so I dont care.

2- I can read about products in articles on companies websites or read related news on websites I frequent.

3- You dont actually learn anything from tradeshows and can not get an honest opinion because youre seeing a carefully crafted and setup demo unit. You dont get to see the real world end product or hear opinions on it from people who have used the product for any length of time in the real world. I dont buy tech stuff anymore until its been out atleast a month.

4- Tradeshows made a lot of sense back in the day. But when I can read previews before a product even comes out at a hundred websites, see a thousand video reviews once it comes out and basically get every single bit of information I could possibly want and a whole lot more on the internet anytime I want it, why do I need a tradeshow? The internet and google are my personal tradeshow thats there for me 24 hours a day. You can get information anywhere and anytime you want now. Back in the day all you had were magazines and occasional newsletters so a tradeshow was important because it allowed people to connect, but now I can connect with anyone in the world while sitting on a toilet in a airplane flying over the ocean.

I get so much god damn advertising, sales pitches and annoying slogans thrown at me in my life everyday the last thing I want is to subject myself to more of it in a giant room of high concentration sales people. I went to e3 awhile back 3 years in a row and god damn, the was enough to last me my whole life.

Re:I dont care about any tradeshow. (5, Insightful)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year ago | (#42500271)

But when I can read previews before a product even comes out at a hundred websites, see a thousand video reviews once it comes out and basically get every single bit of information I could possibly want and a whole lot more on the internet anytime I want it, why do I need a tradeshow?

Do you work in sales, marketing or business development? I go to numerous shows per year, and they're all about the meetings that go on in the background. Discussions around sales channels, marketing, training - Pricing. Trade shows are an opportunity where eveyone is already all together, so they're a highly efficient way to get business done. You can go on one plane flight instead of 20.

Re:I dont care about any tradeshow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42504931)

Absolutely. Think of it as B2B meetings to show off your wares.

For AC spouting "me, me, me": Well, no, there isn't much for consumers to care about directly.

Re:I dont care about any tradeshow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42506825)

So.... you're saying that it's an excellent place to collude prices and make oligopolies? Good to know.

Re:I dont care about any tradeshow. (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year ago | (#42508031)

So.... you're saying that it's an excellent place to collude prices and make oligopolies?

No you Anonymous Coward, typically it's the opposite: "What deal did you give Dell? Whatever it is, I want a better price."

Re:I dont care about any tradeshow. (2)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#42500547)

Tradeshows are basically just scams run by the people who operate them. Companies spend a lot of money and time and energy to be at them for no real reason... I just dont give a shit.

...

I get so much god damn advertising, sales pitches and annoying slogans thrown at me in my life everyday the last thing I want is to subject myself to more of it in a giant room of high concentration sales people. I went to e3 awhile back 3 years in a row and god damn, the was enough to last me my whole life.

All good and dandy, dude, but... are you somehow saying the free t-shirts you've got in 3 years at e3 are enough to last you an entire life?

CES (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42499987)

Similar to what happen to COMDEX.. Was a great show then they just got so big and expensive that people just didnt show up any more. Why wait a year to announce something, With the web and socail netwroks anyday and be a big announcement day.

Surprising but not completely unexpected (2)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#42500001)

> "How many were launched at CES 2012? None."

Even Belladonna introduced her latest VigorTech(r) WiFi remote-controlled dildory elsewhere. Even the basement at CES is empty now.

Well yes and for many years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500043)

I remember when CES stood for Computer Electronics Show.

Wikipedia, search ces, will give a very short story.

Yes, CES has perhaps outlived any sort of usefulness other than charging a few K$ to the company's expense account.

The internet, aka world wide web, can not provide the Cubicle Ladies Lab Dancing To My 100 dollar bills stuffed strategically into their bikini panties. :) \m/

Oh the joys of remembrance on a cold winters night.

Thank you for this posting.

It's not what it use to be anyplace else either (2)

bobjr94 (1120555) | about a year ago | (#42500077)

I was in my local computer store a few weeks ago, the store is now cut in half, a minimum of products and just one employee working. Back from the mid 90's to mid 2000's that store was always hopping, 4 or 5 people working at any time, always full of customers, ads and weekly flyers. Most of the other local computer stores closed up in the 2005-2008 range. Electronics have lost their appeal, they are becoming like appliances. People don't rush out and line up to buy the new 2013 kenmore microwave or get excited the new maytag washer has 1 more washing mode than before.

Re:It's not what it use to be anyplace else either (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year ago | (#42501423)

Perhaps someone thought the populace was becoming too intelligent via the interweb, and put into play a plan to stop that.

Re:It's not what it use to be anyplace else either (1)

vlm (69642) | about a year ago | (#42503537)

Perhaps someone thought the populace was becoming too intelligent via the interweb, and put into play a plan to stop that.

I don't think facebook has anything to do with this.

The problem facing "computer stores" is the upgrade treadmill is dead. Hmm my video card from 2 years ago pretty much does everything I'd want it to do. I'm still not out of memory on my main desktop. The audio market has gone spec crazy with higher and higher sample rates and theoretical bits and extra channels, although no one wants to talk about actual SNR.

Re:It's not what it use to be anyplace else either (1)

mrclisdue (1321513) | about a year ago | (#42503159)

...People don't rush out and line up to buy the new 2013 kenmore microwave or get excited the new maytag washer has 1 more washing mode than before.

Hey! I have a neckbeard and a black pseudo-turtleneck (aka "dickey"), and I just heard that there's a shiny new button on an i-Device.

I'm on my way to camp out at the Apple Store, you insensitive clod.

cheers,

reality check (0)

Swampash (1131503) | about a year ago | (#42500125)

A show about Consumer Electronics that is not attended by Apple is a fail right from the word go.

Re:reality check (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | about a year ago | (#42500203)

considering apple only make a few items, even if they are incredibly popular, that is hardly a fail without them. Apple make up a tiny percent of the total consumer electronics market.

Re:reality check (1)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#42500213)

Only if you're an Apple worshiper. The rest of the world is interested in what others will be producing.

Re:reality check (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500217)

CES is about new devices, Apple haven't really had anything new or exciting for 3 or 4 years now. The real killer to CES is timing of it, way too early in the year for major product announcements.

Re:reality check [uhm, check your facts!] (1)

Thagg (9904) | about a year ago | (#42500299)

Apple does attend CES -- last year they had 250 or so people attending [huffingtonpost.com]. No, they don't have a booth, but they felt the need to spend a couple of million dollars to have people go to stay in touch with the consumer zeitgeist.

And that's the whole reason for trade shows. I would never go to a trade show to find information on a particular product -- if I know what I'm interested in, there are a number of better ways to find out about it online. What is unique and vital about trade shows is the serendipity. I see one product here, one presentation there, talk to an old buddy at lunch, and all of a sudden I can put those things together into something new and revolutionary.

I'll be there!

Yes. (4, Insightful)

scottbomb (1290580) | about a year ago | (#42500157)

Ever since they kicked out the consumer.

Re:Yes. (2)

Jetra (2622687) | about a year ago | (#42500449)

It's not that, it's just that technology isn't what people expected. We were all hyped about 3D. It comes and it's a flop. Blu Ray came and that didn't really get much attention. Hell, we still use DVDs in my house.

dont buy into it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42501949)

i got this external blu ray writer
came with software tiger direct posters said oh great no issues etc
i get it home it works great to watch them BUT i cant burn my own videos , i have to put that pc on the net ( its a expensive one and i dont want to....) and then pay and upgrade...what a fucking scam.

on the flipside the cost of blurays is now quite nice
i bought a total of 19 blurays for about 160$ after taxes
just about 4 n change each....and some were box sets.

Re:dont buy into it (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#42503495)

Maybe your problem is that you spent all your money on a Blu-Ray player and not enough on a keyboard with a shift key.

Re:dont buy into it (1)

Jetra (2622687) | about a year ago | (#42512521)

Actually, who buys a blu ray player these days? Those died out really quickly to online streaming.

We have the Internet now (3, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#42500165)

We don't really need trade shows to show us new products and technology anymore.

And Yet There's Something About... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42502051)

I'm afraid some things are still better done in person. We have video conferencing technology, why fly across the country?

CES Visit ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500245)

I went to CES for a few years... And I must say after going 3 year in a row, it get REALLY BORING... It all the same stuff years after years... There is a few good finds, but there is just soo much stuff that you can get to miss the good one.

I'll skip another year before going again.

Google chose ASUS Eee Pad MeMO ME370T from CES2012 (3, Informative)

CFrankBernard (605994) | about a year ago | (#42500355)

The prototype ASUS Eee Pad MeMO ME370T was revealed at CES 2012 and its release delayed when Google chose it as the Nexus 7.

Re:Google chose ASUS Eee Pad MeMO ME370T from CES2 (2)

theurge14 (820596) | about a year ago | (#42507059)

"ASUS Eee Pad MeMO ME370T"

Wow, did someone get paid to come up with this name?

Hmm (1)

Christopher Woods (634699) | about a year ago | (#42500389)

In stark contrast to the original commentator's thoughts on CES' irrelevancy, BBC News this weekend published a fairly insightful article looking forward to how CES has been (and will continue to be) adapting to follow the zeitgeist. It also mentioned how a Chinese company snapped up most of the premium floorspace previously occupied by Microsoft...

I think we'll see many more mobile device iterations and perhaps some new product (soft?)launches at CES this year. Sure, MWC is the destination event for mobile devices, but CES started as a spinoff of a music conference, its scope is more than broad enough to survive a while longer. And hey, there's first generation production OLED screens to be demoed! You won't see those in Barca.

ObBetteridge (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42500659)

No.

They're still writing articles about CES that these submissions link to, right?

Times have changed (4, Interesting)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about a year ago | (#42500947)

Just like ComDex, CES is becoming irrelevant due to the internet. The whole point of trade shows was always to get the reporters and salesman in front of new products and (hopefully) generate some positive press leading to consumer demand. Once the internet started to go big, and magazine reviews weren't quite as necessary for product exposure, the tradeshows tried to almost evolve into entertainment expos.

The final nail in the coffin has been when individual studios or manufacturers get enough industry cloud to host their own tradeshow, which just fractures the already weakened idea.

CES reminds me a lot of Kodak and Polaroid and other older businesses that have chosen to brute force their way into the future, rather than change their models to fit it. It never works out.

Trade Shows vs. Internet (1)

edibobb (113989) | about a year ago | (#42500951)

Trade shows have been in decline due to the internet (and, to some extent, cheap overnight delivery) since the late '90s. It's surprising to me that CES has remained so popular 10 years after the demise of Comdex. Who needs a trade show when you can get all complete information online and sample products overnight?

Yuo Fail It (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42501809)

aal over America

They still launch products (1)

wakeboarder (2695839) | about a year ago | (#42502109)

Check out nikonrumours.com, nikon is slated to release the D5200 around that time.

Re:They still launch products (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#42503517)

Woo hoo! ANOTHER low range just-a-bit-better-than-last-year's camera.

Stop the presses. Call the Pope. See if Beyonce can do the intro.

ces (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42502751)

las vegas is a fascinating environment. best to know poker odds .

Electronic organizer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42502917)

I'd like to have a cheap electronic organizer with keyboard that can be synced to PC, runs on ordinary AAA batteries and has more than one year of battery life. They used to make them in the 90s but I can't seem to find one now.

Is there anything like this at CES?

Re:Electronic organizer (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#42503525)

I'd like to have a cheap electronic organizer with keyboard that can be synced to PC, runs on ordinary AAA batteries and has more than one year of battery life. They used to make them in the 90s but I can't seem to find one now.

Is there anything like this at CES?

I don't think that time machines will be demo'd until 2019, at the earliest. Right after they get holographic storage nailed down.

Re:Electronic organizer (2)

vlm (69642) | about a year ago | (#42503589)

That's not following the herd, and manufacturers are only allowed to participate in herd behavior. There really isn't much at a place like CES. Its like having 50 farmers at a farmers market all selling genetically identical potatoes and claiming they're the pinnacle of variety because there's 50 of them, missing the point that all 50 are doing exactly the same thing the other 49 have done, and almost exactly the same thing they've done for 10 years.

The specs you listed are pretty much a brand new HP50G calculator for about $90 from amazon. Sadly its basically identical to my HP48 from about 20 years ago other than minor specsmanship. Unless they've removed something in the last 20 years, it has a tolerable little alphanumeric keyboard, it syncs via a cable to my PC (I used to use ckermit around linux ver 1.2 to transfer programs and data off the '48). It uses AAA batteries which do last a rather long time, depending on usage. Maybe during my school years a set of batteries only lasted a semester, but that was pretty intense use. For me, $90 is cheap. I believe its cheaper than what I paid for my '48 20 years ago, and "everyone other than me" pays more than $90/month for cellphone, etc. So... yeah, the flagship hp calculator would do. Its not "new" so its not going to be at CES, its basically a quarter century old.

What could be at the root of lack of interest? (1)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#42503613)

Let's think:

1. Down economy -- people are rethinking how much they "need" these new things

2. Lack of creativity -- companies seek to control whole classes of products through patent legislation which, hopefully enables them to slow the release of new things so that they can sell new versions of the same old sheit with a couple of new things or changes.

Possibly (1)

HangingChad (677530) | about a year ago | (#42503843)

CES may lose some of it's star appeal, but as long as it's still upstairs from the porn convention it's sure not going to lose any of its popularity.

We used to sneak downstairs during breaks. It may have changed, but in the early days a vendor badge got you in either place.

yes, about 31 years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42503923)

I remember the president of Encom saying that if you've seen one, you have seen them all.

It depends.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42505601)

What made "headlines" is not really what the show was about. There are thousands of innovative retail ready or retail close items at CES. Just not ones that catch the big headlines. Phones are big right now in the media and blogs. Without big phone announcements for people to jump on does not mean CES is dead. TBieber and the Kardigans are not the only two out there.

Take a picture tour of some of the previous CES shows.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/4/3828848/ces-photo-history [theverge.com]

CES is not about what's popular... (1)

David_Hart (1184661) | about a year ago | (#42507051)

In my opinion, CES is a show where vendors can showcase their offerings to the media, industry, etc. It's not about showcasing popular gadgets. If so, based on the Apple love lately, it would simply be held in an Apple showroom. My thought is that It benefits smaller companies the most, since moves by larger companies are already followed by the media.

 

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