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HP Software Update Cancels Food Stamps

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the no-soup-for-you dept.

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Spy Handler writes "A software update of the California welfare computer system (CalWIN) caused 37,000 Food Stamp recipients to lose their EBT (a credit card paid for by the government) benefits last weekend. According to the article, Hewlett Packard was responsible for the failed update of CalWIN, but at 8:00 a.m. today Xerox (who administers another state welfare system called CalFresh) issued a patch that reactivated the EBT cards."

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Nice! (0, Troll)

Bodhammer (559311) | about a year and a half ago | (#42525837)

Can they do it at the National level?

Re:Nice! (4, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42525859)

Sure, why not? I mean, letting your citizens starve has worked out so well for North Korea, we should try it here.

Re:Nice! (2, Insightful)

cashxx (1882268) | about a year and a half ago | (#42525913)

I'm fine with welfare but they need to crack down on it. Alot of people are on it that don't need to be!

Re:Nice! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42525969)

Go fuck yourself.

Re:Nice! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526041)

Interesting how the pro-welfare crowd here launches right into crass insults. I guess a rational, supported argument is simply beyond them.

Re:Nice! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526071)

Go fuck yourself too.

Re:Nice! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526305)

Go fuck yourself too.

We are fed endless psychobabble about the subtle secondary effects of stuff like online dating [slashdot.org] but nothing is said about the savage hatred that emerges among dependents after they've been bought and paid-for by the welfare state.

Re:Nice! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526171)

What rational argument? There's only two "arguments" that ever come up:

"Hurr, durr, welfare queen derp" which has - since its inception - been a patently false concern.

"Herpaderpaderp smartphones lolololol" - yes, people who become unemployed actually have cellphones that they bought during their previous employment! What's more, they tend to keep them, since skipping out on the contract is generally catastrophically expensive when you have no income, and you generally need a phone to get a new job! Fucking amazing!

I won't even go into the, "THEY'RE BUYING ALL THIS STUFF THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY ACTUALLY BUYING BECAUSE I'M A LYING SACK OF SHIT WHO NEVER EVEN LOOKED AT THE LIST OF ALLOWED PURCHASES!" non-argument.

Re:Nice! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526405)

What rational argument? There's only two "arguments" that ever come up:

"Hurr, durr, welfare queen derp" which has - since its inception - been a patently false concern.

"Herpaderpaderp smartphones lolololol" - yes, people who become unemployed actually have cellphones that they bought during their previous employment! What's more, they tend to keep them, since skipping out on the contract is generally catastrophically expensive when you have no income, and you generally need a phone to get a new job! Fucking amazing!

I won't even go into the, "THEY'RE BUYING ALL THIS STUFF THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY ACTUALLY BUYING BECAUSE I'M A LYING SACK OF SHIT WHO NEVER EVEN LOOKED AT THE LIST OF ALLOWED PURCHASES!" non-argument.

Nice strawmen.

All bullshit, too.

You should read one very liberal Danial Patrick Moynihan's views on welfare.

You might learn something.

Probably not, though.

Re:Nice! (0)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526499)

People can use EBT cards to buy legit things and then trade them for other goods; for example buying Tide detergent and using it as a currency.

This isnt a problem you can solve with "allowed purchase lists".

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526575)

No but the lists would prevent the people I see buying nothing but junkfood and soda.

Re:Nice! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526509)

Wrong. Are tons of people that are scamming the welfare and disability programs and they are on them a lot longer than "the statistics" say they are. Go actually talk to a social worker about their "clients" and you get an earful about people who have never worked a day in their life hopping from program to program. If have worked, they do so until their benefits get cut and then they abandon the job.

Re:Nice! (1)

HairyNevus (992803) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526659)

I don't know about people's financial background by looking at them, so I can't comment on whether or not a lot of the EBT customers I know "deserve" (whoever defines what that means) food stamps, but I can say they they are misused and promote a false sense of entitlement. I used to work at a grocery store in the middle of a Downtown, and a lot of EBT people were wasting it on soda, chips, candy, etc. I mean, spending tax dollars that are set aside for food on something with no nutritional value is pretty backasswards. Also, it would make people ornery as fuck about things that weren't food stamp-able to the point management would rather just have us alter the code for an item and change it than to argue with them. In those cases it was always something like a prepared sandwich (food stamps aren't legal for restaurant/prepared food) or chocolates that they got from the greeting card section (the item was more about the box design and design than its sustenance).
BTW, just to clarify for you libertarians: your tax dollars are being spent so someone else can buy valentines chocolates for their girlfriend. *shields face from computer*

Re:Nice! (2)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526919)

(food stamps aren't legal for restaurant/prepared food)

In California they are. Most of the fast-food restaurants here accept EBT.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526997)

McDonald's must have some good lobbyists out there.

Re:Nice! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526177)

Eat shit you dickhead!

Re:Nice! (-1, Redundant)

Dishevel (1105119) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526307)

What ever you do do not piss off the massive number of people who are vacationing on years of Unemployment and Food Stamps.
They have nothing to do all day but troll the tubes.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526469)

Obviously they are part of the 47% who don't pay federal taxes. They are dependent on government payments (which some of them do deserve) and are inclined to vote to provide themselves more and more free benefits.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526489)

vacationing on years of Unemployment and Food Stamps

Another [huffingtonpost.com] big slug of borrowed Chinese money dumped into sit'n on the couch checks.

Re:Nice! (4, Interesting)

NIK282000 (737852) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526099)

Agreed. Canada has exactly the same problem. I came out of high school, worked 6 years as an apprentice got my license as an electrician and have since been out of work. I don't qualify for welfare but there is gov. subsidized housing down the street with a parking lot full of 2012 pickups and BMWs. Both countries need a serious overhaul to their welfare systems.

Re:Nice! (0, Troll)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526253)

Agreed. Canada has exactly the same problem. I came out of high school, worked 6 years as an apprentice got my license as an electrician and have since been out of work. I don't qualify for welfare but there is gov. subsidized housing down the street with a parking lot full of 2012 pickups and BMWs. Both countries need a serious overhaul to their welfare systems.

Did you by chance go to the subsidized housing and find out who owns which vehicles? They could be visitors, they could of been vehicles that they inherited from a relative, they could be other people who pay to park their cars there.

Instead you make assumptions.

Re:Nice! (1)

pclminion (145572) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526399)

Did you by chance go to the subsidized housing and find out who owns which vehicles? They could be visitors, they could of been vehicles that they inherited from a relative, they could be other people who pay to park their cars there.

I know which cars in my own neighborhood belong to residents, because I live here and have a set of eyes that let me learn shit like that. I assume the person you are responding to has a set of eyes as well.

Re:Nice! (4, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42527133)

Did you by chance go to the subsidized housing and find out who owns which vehicles? They could be visitors, they could of been vehicles that they inherited from a relative, they could be other people who pay to park their cars there.

I know which cars in my own neighborhood belong to residents, because I live here and have a set of eyes that let me learn shit like that. I assume the person you are responding to has a set of eyes as well.

I live in low income housing. We have people with nice cars here. I do NOT know their situation, I do NOT know why they have nice cars. Any guess I make is an assumption, and unless I go and ask the people, then I'm going to keep making assumptions.

If you think someone is getting over on welfare, then fucking report them or shut the fuck up. All this other talk is just bullshit. Let's get down on welfare because someone people might abuse it. Well, welcome to life, where people abuse whatever they can, from all walks of life. Either start reporting it, or stfu about it.

Just quit making fucking assumptions on shit you really do NOT know.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526553)

They are most likely the vehicles owned by the "baby daddies" who have jobs and spend all their money on cars & other stuff while their kids' mom(s) get subsidized/free housing.

He's trolling (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526743)

or an Astro Turfer for a right wing blog. One of the two. People who live in the projects can't afford $1000/mo car payments. Also, the social workers track what kind of car you own. Even the drug dealers [wimp.com] don't do that well.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42527109)

Or, like me, he knows who drives them because he sees them use their EBT, or perhaps even sells or rents them things (like houses).

I learned a lot about welfare fraud as a landlord. It's amazing and terrifyingly bad.

Re:Nice! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526923)

Completely off topic.

Re:Nice! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526123)

I'm sure you have documentation providing proof of this illegal behavior. Please provide. No references to Glen Beck, Fox News, InfoNews, Rush Limbaugh, or any other batshit source accepted.

Re:Nice! (4, Informative)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526269)

http://www.whptv.com/mostpopular/story/Sixteen-PA-residents-pleaded-guilty-to-welfare/xAQekhwrt0ar1uqAE18a6g.cspx [whptv.com]

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Broome-County-Arrests-12-on-Welfare-Fraud-Charges-185548162.html [wbng.com]

Those are both CBS affiliates. I've seen 60 minutes also do an expose on food stamp fraud a few years back. They videotaped people exchanging food stamps for drugs at a store in Chicago. It's so common no one even blinks about it anymore. If you haven't seen news about it on even the left wing tv affiliates then you just don't watch the news or you selectively listen to it.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526635)

I would.

It's all on the card now, and oh wait, wait, your example shows they arrest them.

Damn, it's almost like it's a crime that is prosecuted.

Did it ever occur to you (3, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526755)

that maybe, just maybe these people's drug problems are caused by poverty, instead of the other way around? I'm not asking you to stop judging (I'm judging you right now), I'm asking you to think reasonable about cause and affect, and ask yourself if you're really just looking for excuses to leave these people to their (rather horrible) fate.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526377)

So no real source of news allowed than? With the ones you listed, we are only really left with 'Obama approved' media.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526993)

how come right wingers always fall back to a conspiracy theory when someone interrupts their oral flatulence?

Re:Nice! (2, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526217)

I'm fine with welfare but they need to crack down on it. Alot of people are on it that don't need to be!

You know this for fact? If you know people that are on welfare that shouldn't be, then report them.

If you don't know anyone that is taking advantage of Welfare and are just saying this because you hate paying taxes. Fuck off.

People like you are worse then those who take advantage of Welfare.

If you got proof, bring it. If you don't, fuck off.

Re:Nice! (1)

shibashaba (683026) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526425)

It's easy to see all around you. It's all these unmarried couples that live together with kids. Man goes out and makes money, while wife stays at home crying about being a single mother. Or the man works under the table.

BTW, common sense has it that people who commit fraud are worse than people who simply have opinions.

Re:Nice! (-1, Troll)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526655)

It's easy to see all around you. It's all these unmarried couples that live together with kids. Man goes out and makes money, while wife stays at home crying about being a single mother. Or the man works under the table.

BTW, common sense has it that people who commit fraud are worse than people who simply have opinions.

Then report it.

And your common sense isn't common sense, that is an assumption. Common sense says that if you commit fraud, people are going to get pissed. Assumption says that people who commit fraud are worse then people who simply have options. 2 different things there.

Re:Nice! (1)

shibashaba (683026) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526841)

I said opinions. Not options. They are different words with different meanings.

There is little to report in cases like this. It would be defamation at the least without having hard evidence. This discussion was about the welfare system in the USA.

You see, in America there is this principle of innocent until proven guilty. Not to mention, people have rights to privacy. As a private citizen, I don't have the right to investigate other peoples private actions. Most of the funds for welfare come from the federal government or states, which is administered by the local counties. The counties are not going to hire people to investigate what happens with other peoples money.

Re:Nice! (-1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42527079)

I said opinions. Not options. They are different words with different meanings.

There is little to report in cases like this. It would be defamation at the least without having hard evidence. This discussion was about the welfare system in the USA.

You see, in America there is this principle of innocent until proven guilty. Not to mention, people have rights to privacy. As a private citizen, I don't have the right to investigate other peoples private actions. Most of the funds for welfare come from the federal government or states, which is administered by the local counties. The counties are not going to hire people to investigate what happens with other peoples money.

Opinions, Options, doesn't matter, what you said was an assumption, not common sense.

Did you know that reporting someone isn't defaming? Now, if you went in the public and started saying, John Tron is abusing the welfare system, then ya, maybe he has a case against you. You reporting to DSHS that you think John Tron is abusing his welfare (and give a reason), that is okay, because that is what the system is for. That is all your responsibility extends to. Wether the DSHS decides to investigate it or not doesn't matter to you.

You are making excuses and assumptions about what DSHS would do, something you have no knowledge of, and doens't even matter to them. If you do NOT report the person, then of course DSHS is going to do nothing.

By your common sense, that means you are helping the person commit fraud. Fortunately for you, that is not common sense, that is an assumption.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526817)

I know at least 3 proud abusers of the system. I buy weed from them.

Re:Nice! (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526261)

There will always be people who exploit the system, any system, but at some point the costs will be higher to keep the system 'pure' than it is catching every single last abuser.

Same applies to millionaires and taxes (but lordy lordy, we can't crack down on THEM abusing the system!)

Why not explain, in detail, how much is being wasted each year?

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526423)

Legally available loopholes that anyone can use if the they bothered are not abuse.

And they are 'abusing' it with money 'they' earned, not other peoples money.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526533)

Your comment about millionaires and taxes implies that you classify "obeying in the law"with "abusing the system."

That reveals a "class warfare" bias in your thinking.

Citation needed (4, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526717)

my brother tried, very unsuccessfully, to get food stamps after losing his job (single father). Also, if you do manage to get on public assistance there is a) a Maximum of 5 years cash assistance, after that it's food stamps only and they average $102/mo and b) you're social worker will force you to take the first job that comes along (and yes, they can and will cut you off if you don't), which depresses your wages.

So I say again, citation needed.

Re:Nice! (-1, Troll)

Bodhammer (559311) | about a year and a half ago | (#42525925)

Re:Nice! (3, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | about a year and a half ago | (#42525977)

Because some people abuse a system, that we should shut an entire system down and let people starve instead.

Right.

"Am I my brother's keeper?"

Yes, yes you are. Civilization is a lot better than the alternative.

--
BMO

Re:Nice! (2, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526045)

Because some people abuse a system, that we should shut an entire system down and let people starve instead.

Right.

"Am I my brother's keeper?"

Yes, yes you are. Civilization is a lot better than the alternative.

--
BMO

Because some people abuse a system, we should punish the abusers and fix the system. We are currently rewarding the abusers and expanding the broken system.

That's retarded on the face of it, you don't even have to start the debate of whether or not the system should exist in the first place.

Re:Nice! (1)

ewieling (90662) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526183)

There is fraud, of course, but it might not be as much as you think.

These stats are for USA Unemployment Insurance, not welfare payments. Both are large programs, but I don't know if their fraud rates compare.

"Finally, $580 million of the $2.45 billion in total UI overpayments for 2001, or 1.9% of total UI payments for that year, was attributable to fraud or abuse within the UI program. By any standard, these figures add up to a lot of money. That is why the Department of Labor has been hard at work on the problem."

Re:Nice! (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526557)

2012 UI: $520 billion

Now, I don't know where you get your $2.45 billion figure from, but if $2.45 billion was 1.9% of the total cost of UI as you claim, then UI only cost the taxpayer $127 billion in 2001 while it costs $520 billion today.,

Are unemployment payouts really 4 times higher now than in 2001? Whats going on?

A quick search reveals that in 2001, unemployment hit 4.9% .. "highest in 4 years" ..
As of September 2012, unemployment was at 7.9%.

1.6 times as many people on unemployment, but 4 times as much money being spent on it...

Do you really want to continue to use unemployment as a model for some sort of fiscal responsibility metric?

Re:Nice! (3, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526803)

Are unemployment payouts really 4 times higher now than in 2001? Whats going on?

High paying jobs are going overseas, and we're importing massive numbers of workers on visas (H1-B et all). The media doesn't mention any of this any more than they mention the Koch Brothers letter to Boehner telling him not to vote on Sandy relief. Everything you hold dear and love is being taken away from you by the investor class.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526157)

Yes, yes you are. Civilization is a lot better than the alternative.

Bankrupting ourselves to feed feral dependents is not the purpose of civilization.

Re:Nice! (1)

Slyfox696 (2432554) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526229)

A shame for you that we're not bankrupting ourselves to feed dependents. We're bankrupting ourselves to support the massive military complex, and to keep old people alive and healthy.

So if you want to be the one to tell those who make lethal weapons they are all out of job or old people they just need to die, go ahead.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526603)

So if you want to be the one

No need for me to intervene. Once we rack up enough debt the lenders will do that for me. Then we'll blow out the currency trying to keep the mess propped up but in the end we'll get our due.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526619)

No we're not. Between the state and Federal governments, nearly a trillion dollars a year is spent on over 120 different poverty assistance programs. That's enough to just give every family in poverty $60K/year. These and other entitlements are growing & out of control. We could drop DoD spending to zero and we'd still have massive deficits.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526197)

By civilization do you mean getting fucked in the ass by a government that takes more and more and lets deadbeats do nothing all day but breed other deadbeats?
 
By the sweat of my brow I produce civilization. Tell me what those lazy fuckers contribute besides more waste and turmoil.
 
Oh, and go fuck yourself, cunt. You're totally skirting the complexity of the situation by acting like if you're not 100% onboard with letting the system run wild that you want people to starve. It's a bullshit form of logic and you know it. Go go fuck yourself again.

Re:Nice! (3, Insightful)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526687)

getting fucked in the ass by a government that takes more and more

Hey troll, tax rates are lower right now then they've been in a long long time. They were a good bit higher in Clinton's day, and it keeps on going higher when you go back a lot further. That's the problem. We are spending, but not paying for it.

Look how much we payed back in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's.

Ever since old Ronny took office, we've had low taxes, and been driving the deficit up and up because we aren't paying anywhere near what we used to.

Government taking more and more, what a laugh. You must get all your 'information' from FAUX news.

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federal-individual-1.html [ntu.org]

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526225)

When did the Bank of Montreal get involved?

Re:Nice! (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526295)

I don't have any problem feeding people who honestly need help but anyone except an idiot knows the system is broken. Why everyone starts foaming at the mouth anytime anyone mentions fixing the fraud in the system is beyond me. No one....well...most people don't want anyone to starve but we don't like being taken advantage of either. Why can't you see that?

Re:Nice! (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526281)

Sure, why not? I mean, letting your citizens starve has worked out so well for North Korea, we should try it here.

Note to self:

Bring up North Korea (one of the poorest countries in Asia) instead of South Korea (one of the richest in Asia) as an example of how to run or not run a country.

Re:Nice! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526463)

Actually, the CalWIN system is designed, written, and maintained by EDS. EDS was absorbed by HP a while back.It's always been a kludgy system and has failures of one part or another every week.

Re:Nice! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42525893)

Worth a shot. Seems like very time I go to the grocery store, someone is in front of me loading up on Oreos, Doritos, soda, and ice cream and putting it on the food stamp card. I'm all for helping people who need it, but they should only be able to buy fruit, veggies, meat, milk, and pasta. Na, forget the meat. They can pay for their own lobster. If they can tear themselves away from the strip club. [humanevents.com]

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42525919)

The real problem there is education, which is also abysmal in the United States.

Hungry stupid people, there's a good combination for violence.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526091)

That is the way the current US government wants it. They all want their 'free' Obama phone, and everything else the government will give them for 'free', and of course no taxes the 'poor' people, but high taxes for the working class and above.

When the general population becomes violent as you stated, than the current US government seize their firearms, laughter them and lock up the remainder in reeducation camps.

Obama is a joke. Anyone who voted for him, is getting what they deserve.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526363)

The real problem there is education, which is also abysmal in the United States.

Hungry stupid people, there's a good combination for violence.

And which party does the educational establishment in the US literally spend tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars per Presidential election cycle supporting?

Re:Nice! (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526609)

Unions?

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526009)

Go fuck yourself, asshole.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526341)

I've tried for years but I just can't manage it. How do you manage to do it?

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526031)

they should only be able to buy fruit, veggies, meat, milk, and pasta.

Sounds like a plan. Now, can we make the fresh food cheaper than the processed crap $ per calorie?

Re:Nice! (1)

Cryacin (657549) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526389)

In the US at least, calories are not the issue.

Re:Nice! (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526151)

Worth a shot. Seems like very time I go to the grocery store, someone is in front of me loading up on Oreos, Doritos, soda, and ice cream and putting it on the food stamp card.

The most calories for the least amount of money. Also, the least amount of necessary preparation time, as many of those recipients work more hours than you do.

Re:Nice! (1, Interesting)

eljasbo (671696) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526083)

I remember when food assistance programs meant you got your monthly allotment of government welfare cheese and other staples delivered to your door. im all for taking it back to that time. The 'modern' method of distributing benefits definitely opens the way to fraud, especially when you can get cash from the ebt card at casinos. It has made fraud so easy now many of the benefits are not going to their intended purpose. However, there are not too many crack dealers that will trade a block of cheese for drugs. That is the way it should be. Keep the benefits, just change the method of delivery. i think that would help more than anything. im tired of working hard to fund some other's drug or gambling habit with this kind of abuse.

Re:Nice! (5, Informative)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526337)

I remember when food assistance programs meant you got your monthly allotment of government welfare cheese and other staples delivered to your door. im all for taking it back to that time. The 'modern' method of distributing benefits definitely opens the way to fraud, especially when you can get cash from the ebt card at casinos. It has made fraud so easy now many of the benefits are not going to their intended purpose. However, there are not too many crack dealers that will trade a block of cheese for drugs. That is the way it should be. Keep the benefits, just change the method of delivery. i think that would help more than anything. im tired of working hard to fund some other's drug or gambling habit with this kind of abuse.

You have no idea what a EBT is do you?

EBT have 2 uses. 1 use if for food stamps. That money on the card for food stamps can ONLY be used to purchase food. You can NOT use it to take money out of your food part.

The other use of EBT is putting on money from services like DSHS.

For example, before I was on disability I got $330 a month to live on from DSHS, and $190 in Food stamps (food credit really). I was able to take out $330 using an ATM, but the $190 was just for Food.

That money I got monthly doesn't matter if I got it on the EBT card, or if I got it in a check, it was my money to spend. And it has nothing to do with Food Stamps.

So, if you saw a person using a EBT to take out money, he/she was doing what they are allowed to. They are NOT using their Food Stamps to get money from an ATM. That is NOT even possible.

So before you start spouting off about what you saw, trying learning a bit about it first before you make accusations that are NOT true.

Re:Nice! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526747)

but why should I have to pay for that $330 to pay a stripper? Maybe it should instead be distributed as a check payable directly to landlord/mortgage/etc.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526837)

"Interesting"? Try "idiot". You have absolutely no idea how EBT cards work. If you're on food stamps, you have an allotment of funds that can only be used to buy food. It doesn't even work on other things sold at a grocery store, like alcohol or tobacco.

I worked as a grocery store cashier for 7 years, and always have to roll my eyes at people who complain wildly about food stamp abuse. There isn't any. People who are on food stamps are forced to buy food, and they're buying the same food as everyone else does. These are just normal people down on their luck, they're not people out to milk the system, regardless of what your Fox News-addled minds think.

Re:Nice! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42527067)

you live in fantasy, I live in reality, a reality where just this morning there was a woman and her maybe 5 year old kid at the gas station in front of me, the little shit was finger fucking every candybar and momma was totally oblivious, she buys the kid a 20 ounce coke and a doughnut on EBT, then pays with a 100$ bill for a carton of cigarettes, then drives off in a practically brand new Yukon with the speakers rattling the fucking windows.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42527071)

4, Interesting

Good job, slashdot; you are astoundingly retarded.

Re:Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526097)

But how else is your crackwhore wife going to feed Tyrone's black babies?

Oddly written... (0)

Antony T Curtis (89990) | about a year and a half ago | (#42525853)

This article seems to be worded to make Xerox look good and HP look bad.

Re:Oddly written... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526905)

? it's not the article that makes HP look bad, they do that on their own.... I'm just suprised it was not a printer driver update that hosed the system.

HP - You Found the Garage Again! You Rock! (-1)

DukeLinux (644551) | about a year and a half ago | (#42525857)

For the first time in how many years Hewlett Packard finally does something right. Could this be the predicted turn-around Meg Whitman had hoped for? With all the things they have screwed-up lately, let's congratulate them on this one.

Re:HP - You Found the Garage Again! You Rock! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42525985)

California almost trimmed the state budget!

Re:HP - You Found the Garage Again! You Rock! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526013)

hp can go to hell...the bastards sent billions of dollars to goddamn foreigners...moved american jobs to fuckin ass HP Israel ...and laid off many Americans.

Re:HP - You Found the Garage Again! You Rock! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526539)

Americans who want 40$ an hour to scrub toilets and mow grass... its California after all, dont expect me to shed a tear when some asshat looses their 40$ an hour car washing job they should have never even had.

Teabaggers at work. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42525865)

Geeze Teabaggers! What next? Go out with your AR-15s and start shoot'em in the streets?

Food stamps should be STAMPS (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42525941)

People used to want to get off food stamps due to the public shame associated with them. Now, since no one knows your on them, their is no shame for living on the dole.

It's not a bug (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526033)

It's a feature.

Good! (1)

p51d007 (656414) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526065)

Good! Make them get up off their butts and work instead of living off the taxpayers!

stealth Republicanism (2)

ewertz (1191025) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526193)

That was a time-bomb put in by Carly Fiorina years ago, thinking that she'd (still) be Governor by now.

The faciststs arrived right on cue (5, Insightful)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526203)

Knew when I saw the title, there would be posts praising HP for their blunder. Look, welfare needs reform, no one (sane) doubts that, but to end the whole system indiscriminately is both counterproductive and inhumane. There are many reasons why someone would need to go on welfare so learn a bit more sympathy and please stop the thinly veiled "kill 'em all" attitude.

Besides, the they fixed the mess in a day, so at most this was a major inconvenience.

Something isn't right here? (4, Informative)

powerspike (729889) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526279)

If HP Issued the patches, and xerox pushed a fix, then who's fault is it really?

One of the biggest gripes about the patch release cycles is that they are slow. Companies like HP state this is for people to be able to do full testing etc to make sure nothing goes wrong. So the real question here is who didn't do their testing on the systems before the patches go live?

It's obvious there has been mistakes made, but blaming the wrong company/person never helps the situation. There are people who currently rely on the welfare payments to make ends meet, and ensuring this type of stuff doesn't happen is critical. Regardless if you agree or not to the payments themselves, while they are valid they need to make sure they are delivered on time and correctly.

Re:Something isn't right here? (1)

patch5 (1990504) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526711)

My best guess, based on what's in the article: HP initially developed the system, probably while administering the State's IT systems. Later, the state changed vendors from HP to Xerox, and Xerox took over managing the HP-designed solution. Eventually the solution broke, or Xerox wanted to move it to a newer system, couldn't figure out how to make it work, called on HP to get assistance with the transition, likely got a green tech who recommended something like updating from a 10-year-old version of Java, and this then caused the system to go down, leaving the mess thoroughly all over Xerox's hands.

Guaranteed: if Xerox fixed it, it was Xerox's screw up, and certainly their responsibility. TFA doesn't specify anything about patching, so I'm thinking that this whole monster is likely a disparate collection of antiquated software that's gotten gradually more crotchety and difficult to maintain over the years, and is probably long overdue to be rebuilt from scratch.

welfare (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526391)

I bet there are a lot more people that cheat on their income taxes then cheat on welfare

Re:welfare (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526451)

I bet there are a lot more people that cheat on their income taxes then cheat on welfare

You mean "than".
Greater than.
Less than.
Smaller than.

He went to the park, "then" he went shopping.

EBT cards and Food Stamps (5, Informative)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526421)

Okay, since most of you probably never been on it, I will give you some info.

Back before EBT was thought up, we had Food Stamps. They were basicly like paper money, but food stamps, only could be spend on food, but you got real change back. So this was abused. People would purposedly by cheap stuff to get change back to spend on drugs/alcohol.

In the 90's they decided to go to a debit like card. This had a few purposes. One was about giving people actually real money change for the food stamps, the other it was cheaper to get digital.

So they decided to go with EBT cards. The Food Stamp part of the card is only for buying Food. You can NOT use it to take money out, you can NOT use it to buy Alcohol. Only food.

They also decided to put DSHS monthly payments on it, which is why you might see using one in an ATM machine, but they are NOT using the Food Stamp part of it.

What about the Strippers and Blackjack tables? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526471)

So the strip clubs and casinos will have less visitors?

Economics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526651)

What I hate about stories like this, are the comments, commending the bug because "there are too many people on welfare, and it costs us too much." Yet these commenters, have zero economic evidence to back that up... How do I know? Well, I read actual governmental reports, looking at spending, do some basic arithmetic, and then come to a conclusion provided by evidence. I've head it called "science" before, but I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with the term.

Even more sad, to me, is that most of our "welfare" services are quite cheap (nominal) compared to Medicare/Medicaid and Defense spending. Especially, when actual costly budget items (like tax breaks/incentives) go relatively unscathed. I for one would like to see an increase in spending on programs like Food Stamps; so, instead of less. Welfare programs should not be a zero-sum game (and aren't unless administered poorly).

I'd highly recommend most of you look at the CBO or BEA websites for actual statistics:

http://www.cbo.gov/
http://www.bea.gov/

And actually find out how much is spent on things like Food Stamps (SNAP)... Or for the overtly lazy, but curious:

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43175 ... which translates to less than 3%

-Seve

P.S. Pro tip for anyone who doesn't know: correlation is not causation.

Re:Economics (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526871)

Pro tip for people claiming to do some basic math: they actually do some math

1 out of 7 people receive SNAP benefits, and this costs each household in America $631.58/year .. thats just the outlays, not the administrative costs.

Whats sad to me is people that don't want to include the numbers while declaring that things are cheap, all-the-while admonishing others for not doing math. Really?

I'm curious what you thought that you were hiding by not revealing the "basic math" numbers to us.

Re:Economics (0)

choko (44196) | about a year and a half ago | (#42526933)

Read some of the other comments in this post. There is plenty of evidence that the welfare system is broken.

Here's your reform. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526849)

50k lifetime benefit, food, medical, whatever. When that's done, you either have your shit together or you get thrown in a grinder.

Finally something good by HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42526999)

Well finally something good comes out of HP. It's been a long time.

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