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BioWare Launches "Gay Planet" For the Old Republic

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the welcome-to-the-club dept.

Star Wars Prequels 333

DavidGilbert99 writes "Labelled as an 'oddly regressive move,' developers of Star Wars: the Old Republic have decided that all gay characters will be stuck on a single planet called Makeb. The move comes with the release of the Rise of the Hutt Cartel pack and the Makeb planet will be the only place in the game where players can select 'flirtatious' dialogue options with characters of the same gender. From the article: 'BioWare executive producer Jeff Hickman apologised for same sex relationships taking so long to be added to the game, referring to the company's most famous title Mass Effect, where homosexual relationships are available by default: "First of all, I want to apologize that this is taking so long to get in the game," wrote Hickman in a blog post. "I realise that we promised SGR (same gender relationships) to you guys and that many of you believed that this would be with a companion character. Unfortunately, this will take a lot more work than we realised at the time and it (like some other pieces of content we talked about earlier in the year) has been delayed as we focused on the changes required to take the game Free-to-Play. '"

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Segregation never! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42581913)

Integration now!

Srsly? (5, Funny)

Orleron (835910) | about 2 years ago | (#42581919)

*Checks calendar to make sure it's not April 1st*

Re:Srsly? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582031)

Look elsewhere in the Star Wars universe...

You have the desert planet, the ice planet, the forest moon, the city planet...

Every planet has one damn definable feature. What's so absurd about it when Star Wars is nothing BUT a Planet of Hats [tvtropes.org] type setting?

Re:Srsly? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582799)

You have the desert planet, the ice planet, the forest moon, the city planet...

And now, finally, the FABULOUS planet.

Acceptable (5, Funny)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 2 years ago | (#42581937)

Well that takes care of 10% of their players. Now what about the robot female planet so the remaining 90% can feel accepted by their "I was born that way" mate preferences, too?

Re:Acceptable (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42581995)

So, you're saying you want a new area on planet Eroticon 6 called Valley of the RealDolls?

Re:Acceptable (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582003)

There's already plenty of female robots and characters you can bang.

Or Clang, as the case may be.

Go be gay over there... (5, Funny)

Manfre (631065) | about 2 years ago | (#42581939)

sounds like the digital version of don't ask, don't tell.

Re:Go be gay over there... (-1, Troll)

kieran (20691) | about 2 years ago | (#42582155)

More like Apartheid.

Re:Go be gay over there... (4, Funny)

ThePhilips (752041) | about 2 years ago | (#42582437)

They should have called the planet "Hell" or "Purgatory."

Might have attracted christian players.

Re:Go be gay over there... (2, Insightful)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about 2 years ago | (#42582519)

Seems more like "if this offends you, don't go there", since you neither have to ask nor be told to know what's going on there.

If there is no need to rub the GLBT issue in people's faces, why do it? If you ask me this is the reason places like California still do not have gay marriage. You can't make people change their minds, you arrange it so that they don't have to until it's too late.

Re:Go be gay over there... (2, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 2 years ago | (#42582669)

Would have been much easier to allow everywhere and let the individual players block incomming "flirtatious" dialogue for their own character(s). That way you could block or allow all such dialogue if you wanted, or just for your specific "female protocol droid" preference.

Ooookay. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42581945)

As much as I wanted my female twileks to be able to make flirtatious sapphic banter, this is probably the least of TOR's problems.

Please... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42581951)

...don't make RTFA, but where's Disney in all of this?

to boldly go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42581957)

where all men have come bfore...

bigotedly delicious! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42581969)

yellow stars, blue moons and now pink triangles!

Why is there flirtatious behavior? (2, Funny)

Amorymeltzer (1213818) | about 2 years ago | (#42581973)

I thought attachment was forbidden for a Jedi. It leads to jealousy, and last I heard the shadow of greed, that is.

Re:Why is there flirtatious behavior? (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | about 2 years ago | (#42581999)

Because only 2 out of the 8 classes are Jedi.

Re:Why is there flirtatious behavior? (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | about 2 years ago | (#42582013)

Jedi classes only comprise about a third of possible class options; lots of people would rather pretend to be a Han Solo or Boba Fett.

Re:Why is there flirtatious behavior? (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 2 years ago | (#42582263)

Jedi classes make up 2 out of 16, or 1/8th of the possible class options.

Re:Why is there flirtatious behavior? (2)

RKThoadan (89437) | about 2 years ago | (#42582409)

Actully, 2 out of 8 base classes, 4 out of 16 advanced classes. There were already standard Heterosexual relationships available for those who don't care so much about what the Order thinks.

Re:Why is there flirtatious behavior? (1)

Daetrin (576516) | about 2 years ago | (#42582257)

I am not a serious Star Wars geek, but i know the game is set a few thousand years before the movies, which among other things is why there are tons of Sith running around. The Jedi philosophy has changed a lot over the entire history of the Star Wars universe (if you check the Wookipedia they've got detailed articles about events going back at least tens of thousands and quite possibly hundreds of thousands of years, though i forget the exact details.)

It's possible that at that point in history the Jedi hadn't adopted some of the more extreme "modern" views (no emotional attachments, must begin training practically at birth.) And of course as others have pointed out, Jedi aren't the only kind of character you can play in the game.

Re:Why is there flirtatious behavior? (4, Interesting)

BriggsBU (1138021) | about 2 years ago | (#42582427)

In the Jedi starting area there's a quest chain where you discover two Jedi in a romantic relationship and have the choice to tell the instructors about them because it is against the Jedi code.

So.. Still was against the code in SWTOR's time frame.

Re:Why is there flirtatious behavior? (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 2 years ago | (#42582621)

KOTOR takes place in the world where rules are not really enforced all that strictly, even though they are in place. So if new kids in the order bang each other and they get found, they face about the same punishment as the kid in military school getting caught. Stop or be kicked out.

But lore on the Old Republic suggests a lot less obedience to the rulebook then at the time frame of the movies. Jedi order (and by extension sith) are not all that powerful, and there are quite a few force users that openly choose other paths and live to tell the tale.

Ah, virtual segregation... (4, Funny)

Ossifer (703813) | about 2 years ago | (#42581987)

... a heavily pixellated Geroge Wallace must be smiling in his recycle bin...

What the actual fuck? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582009)

Sick!

New Character (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582011)

Jabba the Butt

Just NPCs? (1)

Vintermann (400722) | about 2 years ago | (#42582027)

This is just about dialog options to NPCs, right?

Or is SW:TOR like one of those children's MMOs where you can only choose from a preset number of dialog options when engaging other players?

It was surprisingly hard to ascertain from the wikipedia page.

Re:Just NPCs? (3, Informative)

pr0nbot (313417) | about 2 years ago | (#42582079)

I presume it's dialogue with your companion NPC. In hetero-SWTOR (as I suppose we must now call it) you can end up flirting with your companion NPC, provided they're of the opposite gender.

Re:Just NPCs? (1)

RKThoadan (89437) | about 2 years ago | (#42582443)

Nope, just flirting with other NPCs out in the world. They apparently wanted to get it working for companions but it has apparently been harder than they expected.

Jaba moving to Makeb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582037)

I always knew there was something fishy about that guy.

Just one thing to say (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#42582039)

Bugger me!

"Regressive"? (5, Insightful)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | about 2 years ago | (#42582047)

Expanding sexual diversity in new content is not regressive. They've made it clear that they want to make it a full option throughout the game, but you can't just snap your fingers and make that happen. Same-gender romance is "restricted" to one planet because only one planet is being added in the expansion.

I'm not sure what the agenda is of the submitter/poster/etc., but it certainly isn't equality if they're whining about a step towards that. Also, this is a video game for crying out loud. Chill the fuck out.

Re:"Regressive"? (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about 2 years ago | (#42582189)

They didn't cater to a minority in the beginning, that means they hate that minority.

Re:"Regressive"? (4, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 2 years ago | (#42582279)

This.

Going back and changing scripting and bringing back all the original voice actors to voice new dialog for same-gender/same-sex dialogue is costly and a pain in the ass. So for new content moving forward, they're planning for it.

Bioware is trying to be inclusive by adding the content in the first place. They aren't trying to segregate players.

Re:"Regressive"? (1, Flamebait)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 2 years ago | (#42582819)

Is it more complicated than removing some "if(player1->gender != player2->gender) { do_sexy_time(); }" conditionals?

Are you imagining that they have to re-do voiceovers to make them camper?

Really, what's the big deal, technically?

I expect it's not technical at all, it's more they fear the Christian Moms Against Faggotry lobby turning it into an Issue. I mean, you start with a bit of harmless man-on-man flirting, then it's wookie-on-trandoshan civil partnerships, and before you know it, everyone's marrying their gay bantha.

separate is not equal (0)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 2 years ago | (#42582573)

Expanding sexual diversity in new content is not regressive.

Forcing anyone who isn't hetrosexual into one area is. Decades years ago we declared that separate is not equal.

Also, this is a video game for crying out loud. Chill the fuck out.

No. It's not hard to figure out why GLBT people might be upset about this. For many of them, they've been forced into little 'gardens' all their lives, either out of fear or it being the only option given to them. If you understand why "civil unions" piss off the GLBT community, you'll understand why one planet being The Gay Planet does.

They've made it clear that they want to make it a full option throughout the game, but you can't just snap your fingers and make that happen

Yes, actually. They could disable the gender restrictions with a patch to the game engine, for example. They won't do it because of the raging homophobia in the gaming community.

Re:separate is not equal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582759)

Or how about the fact that they didn't record same-sex dialog for the original main characters and companions? The content isn't there, it isn't as easy as flipping a switch.

Oh no, it has to be homophobia...

Think.

Re:"Regressive"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582707)

I agree 100%; I would think this is extremely progressive of them actually.

People seem ot think that companies have a responsibility to cater to or take a stand on social issues. Nothing is further from the truth. A company has three roughly equal responsibilities: 1 - provide goods or services to it's customers, 2 - provide decent employment in a safe environment for it's workers, and 3 - provide value to it's shareholders. When taking a stand on a divisive political issue, they risk jeopardizing some or all of those three core responsibilities. COnsidering that SWTOR's F2P business model stinks to high heaven, they really need to spend their time there. Making the game have SGRs is not going to make people buy more stuff from them and make the game a good revenue earner; providing quality paid content is (and personally I think the Rise of the Hutt Cartel expansion is also the wrong direction, I mean expand on the war already! Make the game competitive between the Republic and the Empire!) To me focusing time and money on developing quest lines and additional content for SGRs is putting their employees at risk of unemployment.

So No Cure (-1, Troll)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about 2 years ago | (#42582061)

So in Star Wars homosexuality isn't a desease that has been cured through science. People can break the laws of physics and travel the speed of light but homosexuality still exists. I wonder if there a blind planet and a autism planet. Trying not to troll. I reliaze that the word desease is loaded.

Re:So No Cure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582107)

E for effort.

Re:So No Cure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582143)

Sorry, but if you had used your spellchecker, you would have known that desease is not a word.

Re:So No Cure (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about 2 years ago | (#42582215)

Sorry, but if you had used your spellchecker, you would have known that desease is not a word.

lol there is no cure for my ignorance.

It sure sounds like you're trying to troll.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582785)

But giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Star Wars has enough dark elements. Assuming that science could alter and link a person to exactly the kind of mate they would prefer, it seems unlikely they'd stop with gender. They would probably pick exactly the functional mate, blocky with big child bearing hips, and a strong brow... and make sure this was the only kind of person you could flirt with. It's like Gattica, only darker.

That's not Star Wars. Star wars is the bar into which they chased the assassin that tried to kill Padme. It's enormous diversity on an unimaginable scale. It's life, out of control, but civilized.

So to answer the idea you suggest, the technology for a governing body to exactly control your mate selection process doesn't belong in the Star Wars universe.

Perhaps romances among the Clone Army clones work the way you suggest... just not in the way you want. :)

Remove suggestive dialog options (2)

sanosuke001 (640243) | about 2 years ago | (#42582067)

How about, instead of banning flirtatious dialog to a single planet, they remove it altogether if they intent to coddle their user base? If you're going to censor your players either go all or nothing. If you intend to take a stand at ignorant and bigoted viewpoints, then open it up game-wide and don't try to hide possibly objectionable content in the closet so to speak and, instead, put it out in the open. It's 2013 ffs and if people can't deal with other people being different, well, they can go fuck themselves.

Now, if this is because they don't want people harassing others with same-sex comments without actually being gay and are trying to limit that to a single planet then they should remove all suggestive comments entirely. If you're worried that a gay male character is going to offend a straight male character by telling him he looks sexy then don't have the comment available. The same can be said for a straight male making suggestive comments to a straight female; it can still be inappropriate and they don't have to be gay. If that's their issue; remove it entirely. (Well, I'd rather them ban players who can't behave like adults but that's another discussion I think.)

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (1)

sanosuke001 (640243) | about 2 years ago | (#42582091)

Sorry for the self-comment, but I just wanted to point out that I do not play SW:TOR and I am assuming these dialog choices are in-game macros like /wave and /dance (I've only ever played Final Fantasy XI and they were called emotes) or built-in chat messages that are also macros. I guess this could also be applied to chat filters but it didn't sound like it from the summary.

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582161)

I do not play SW:TOR and I am assuming these dialog choices are in-game macros like /wave and /dance

Well that explains why you couldn't have been more wrong with your assumptions. The dialog choices they are talking about are NPC dialog branches that flesh out your character's story. Normally in the game you can build a relationship with your crew members if you so choose, and previously they only implemented the story and dialog for hetero relationships. In the new expansion they are adding a new planet and so they apparently decided to add in homo as well as heterosexual options for the NPCs of this world. For the people who were asking for it, its too little too late to be honest, I'd rather they had waited until the whole game had the options or not done it at all. I personally can live without it.

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (1)

sanosuke001 (640243) | about 2 years ago | (#42582205)

So why only one planet? My comment still applies but it seems even more ridiculous. If you want people to opt-in/out of these choices, just ask for a sexual orientation during character creation (have an "other" section so people can see all options, maybe?). It's still ridiculous that it's limited to one planet. Does the star wars universe ferry all LGBT people to a single planet because they're a bunch of homophobic assholes? Seems shady at best on biowares part.

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582281)

I misread the last part of your comment as "ferry all the homophobic assholes to a single planet", thats a great idea!

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582647)

I misread the last part of your comment as "ferry all the homophobic assholes to a single planet", thats a great idea!

Or should you.. fairy them?

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582347)

If you haven't played SWTOR then you dont realize the insanely huge amount of dialog built into the game. It has the most voice actors of any game in history from what I recall. The reason the whole game doesn't have these choices is because they didn't have time in the initial development, and had planned on adding it later through an expansion, this expansion. Well they apparently miscalculated how much work it would take so they only did it on one planet. Lazy? Quite possibly. Homophobic? Not at all, the fact that they are adding it at all means they are at least trying to make the options available to those who want them. The only reason it is being requested in the first place is because they had the options in their previous games like Mass Effect so their fanbase is used to having those options.

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582407)

Looks like it is being added as part of an x-pack dealing with the Hutts, who are gangsters, so I'm willing to bet the new planet is a vice planet.

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (1)

HCase (533294) | about 2 years ago | (#42582471)

New planet, new NPCs, new voice acting lines. To retrofit it to the old planets, they'll need to bring back in voice actors and add dialog branches to already created NPCs.

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (4, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 2 years ago | (#42582365)

SW:TOR is a fully voiced MMO. Every line of dialogue has a voice actor. And most NPCs have a unique voice actor. Adding same-sex romance into the game meant going back and changing the scripting for each NPC, as well as bringing back the previous voice actors to record new dialogue.

That is why they're only doing it for new content.

Re:Remove suggestive dialog options (1)

jythie (914043) | about 2 years ago | (#42582207)

From what I gather, they worry that parents will not allow their kids to play the game if homosexual content is permitted. From talking to such parents, when you really drill down into it, it is less about fear that other people will make advances on them (though many still believe that gay == pedophile) and more about they do not want their kids to even have such options. They want a particular world view embedded in the game mechanics, so one is not even able to 'flirt' with same sex NPCs. It is all about restricting exploration due to fear that if they get a chance they might 'choose' to be corrupted into becoming gay, or even worse, getting used to homosexual narratives and seeing gay people as, well, people. It is easy to demonize an abstract and they do not want their children humanizing gays.

WBC (4, Funny)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#42582089)

And in response, the Westboro Baptist Church has announced that all 12 of their members will take to the streets of Makeb to protest.

Re:WBC (4, Funny)

CheeseTroll (696413) | about 2 years ago | (#42582301)

They'll be edited into the background of Darth Vader's funeral pyre, harassing Luke with anti-gay vitriol, in the next release of ROTJ.

Re:WBC (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#42582413)

Poor C3PO will never hear the end of it!

Re:WBC (4, Funny)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#42582447)

And on the other side of their signs, WBC will write "But marrying your sister would be OK"

Re:WBC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582379)

IT'S A TRAP!

Inflammatory headline (5, Insightful)

turiel (144552) | about 2 years ago | (#42582115)

What actually happened:
New content will include will include same-sex options. It just happens that the new content only includes one planet. Future new content will also include same-sex options.

I don't understand why the submitter is taking such an offensive stance with their post. There is no conspiracy against gays, especially when it comes to Bioware who are one of the pioneers of same-sex relationships in their games (dating back to Baldur's Gate).

What would you prefer, that this content wasn't added at all? No let me guess, you'd prefer they revamp the whole game. Nevermind that their team has been cut down to a fraction of their original size due to the commercial unsuccessfulness of the game. Instead lets invent a big issue out of their good-faith attempt to add same-sex content even with their dwindling resources that would arguably better be spent on content like warzones, flashpoints, and operations.

Re:Inflammatory headline (2)

Seumas (6865) | about 2 years ago | (#42582153)

Bioware hasn't been "Bioware" in quite awhile, sadly.

Re:Inflammatory headline (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 2 years ago | (#42582649)

Bioware that makes SWTOR was known as "Mythic" before they were brought in by EA and fused into Bioware to take advantage of the brand.

So you're very much correct. Bioware's brand has been diluted harshly by EA that chose to use the well-known brand as a rubber stamp on games that had little to do with the original studio that made the name what is was.

Re:Inflammatory headline (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582243)

You need to check your heteronormative privilege. Portraying the full spectrum of human sexuality is more important than making a game "fun".

Re:Inflammatory headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582319)

Because I'm sure its so damn hard to turn on a flirt macro globally instead of locally. If only the team hadn't been cut down they'd have twice as many people to find that line of code.

Re:Inflammatory headline (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582399)

It has nothing to do with macros... It is about voice acted dialog with NPCs. Its not a simple line of code when you have to go back and record a hundred or two lines of dialog for each of the dozens of possible crew members, as well as any quest related characters on this planet.

Re:Inflammatory headline (1)

TheLink (130905) | about 2 years ago | (#42582475)

And because of the commercial unsuccessfulness of their game it may make sense to have it all on one planet/server. When I last trialed the game, the server populations were rather low. Finding people to do stuff with wasn't that easy. Yes there were people around, but only a subset of those would want to team up with random people. So if you wanted to be gay in game and were looking for like-minded people (for more fun) you'd have even more difficulty if you weren't all on one server.

FWIW when the trial ended I didn't really feel a sense of loss. So even with the F2P options I'm not sure if I'd bother trying it out again. The PvE and PvP gameplay was boring to me. And yes I've had someone show me a lot of lev 50 PvP, hutt ball and all that for a few weeks. GW2's WvW stuff looks more interesting but if their player numbers drop that big WvW map is going to be an even bigger ghost town unless they can have decent AI NPCs to help out if there aren't enough on one side.

finally... (2)

Shivetya (243324) | about 2 years ago | (#42582603)

all those guys playing female Jedi can chase Kira and have her talk dirty to them....

Re:Inflammatory headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582659)

Even when I thought this might be a legitimate story, I mostly felt sad that people cared about relationships in a video game.

Re:Inflammatory headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582789)

And people wonder why most games don't have this type of content. Because of backlash like this from LGBT groups that claim the game doesnt have ENOUGH same sex content. Developers are more likely to avoid the issue entirely than deal with this. Bioware legitimately tried to follow through on their promise to add same sex dialog content and now people attack them for only adding it on their new expansion planet rather than going back and recording voices retroactively for the dozens of other planets already out there. This article is such a knee jerk misinterpretation of the story its unreal.

Jar Jar Binks (3, Funny)

RedHackTea (2779623) | about 2 years ago | (#42582135)

Queen of Makeb.

Because. (0)

Seumas (6865) | about 2 years ago | (#42582137)

The only thing keeping your precious little boy from sucking on a cock is a trivial interaction in a stupid video game.

Is there a planet just for the atheists to play? I mean, you wouldn't want your precious little babies fake-breathing the same virtual air as a non-believer, would you?! For that matter, maybe there better be a separate planet to relegate the "obviously jewy" players who have names containing "burg" and "stein" in them.

So, hold up... (1)

bistromath007 (1253428) | about 2 years ago | (#42582157)

Is this worse than the race of strippers with head-tails, or pretty much the same?

Re:So, hold up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582337)

Only a few Twi'lek were exotic dancers. Some where even great power brokers in the Galactic Senate.

Re:So, hold up... (0)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 2 years ago | (#42582677)

I'm not a lore master of star wars, but from what I've seen in KOTOR (1,2, SWTOR) twileks are basically modeled on blacks in USA. They're mostly slaves and low education level workers in the universe, but some of them do get to climb to power. But these are exceptions to the rule.

Re:So, hold up... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582709)

Nerd!

Get off the horse, dongleberry (1)

fey000 (1374173) | about 2 years ago | (#42582177)

Seriously, you are calling Bioware regressive for not adding "enough" gay material? If you want to fork in the money for the development teams, I'm pretty sure they'd be happy to rewrite the entire game to allow for homosexual relationships with all companions (assuming the Jedi are okay with that, but they fight with glowing vibrators, so it's probably all good).
Otherwise, they are most likely busy working on content that the entire playerbase can enjoy, you know, the kind of development that generates income.

In summary, get off the high horse, and realize that a mole-hill is not a mountain. If you need further clarification: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molehill [wikipedia.org] != http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain [wikipedia.org] (not to be confused with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokeback_Mountain [wikipedia.org] ).

Re:Get off the horse, dongleberry (1)

Tridus (79566) | about 2 years ago | (#42582487)

If they have to "rewrite the entire game" to add dialog options and some more lines of voice acting, then they're doing it very, very wrong.

Besides, hetero relationships aren't possible with all the companions, so there was no expectation that every single one would be available for same-sex relationships either.

How is this a regressive move? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582199)

i don't get it.
The rep came out and said "It is proving to be harder to do then we expected" which makes sence as nearly every NPC in that game has unique vocal dialoge that would need to be re-done or tweaked. So insted they're implimenting it from this point going forward, which so far is 1 planet.
No where do they say "This is the only planet it'll be allowed on!" but instead just "here's the first planet it's enabled on."

Rishrathra planet next? (1)

dpilot (134227) | about 2 years ago | (#42582259)

So when are they going to add a planet for rishrathra?

Re:Rishrathra planet next? (1)

locopuyo (1433631) | about 2 years ago | (#42582311)

I don't think ringworlds count as planets.

Re:Rishrathra planet next? (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#42582739)

So when are they going to add a planet for rishrathra?

I believe they called that "second life". Something like a decade ago /. had a story on SL like every other day. I distinctly remember it was the "first" "major" game that required more than W98 it required W2000 or better which was highly unusual at that time. Then they banned everything everyone could remotely be offended by (cybersex, pr0n, gambling, basically everything that makes life worth living) leaving no one with any reason to go there anymore. Not sure if its even still up. Might check into it for laughs.

One thing I remember was it was pretty much the minecraft of the 00s. Wanna see a giant "life size" star trek enterprise? We gots one. Etc.

It was the kind of place where if you were not fascinated for at least 50 hours exploring, there was something wrong with your curiosity level, but after 50 or so hours it got kinda repetitive and boring, so...

I remember the funniest thing about SL was it banned real names, everyone had to use a psuedonym with a very short list of last name psudonyms. Lots of whining about that. I used "Turbo Pascal" because I wrote stuff on Borlands miracle ide back in the 80s on my first ibm pc xt (or was it the at clone?). Anyway I had a continuous stream of people coming up to me on SL and commenting "hey, I bet you don't know this, but there's was a compiler named after you". Yeah no kidding, that's exactly why I selected the name... so I stopped using that name. Oh well.

It could have been worse... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582307)

Instead of shipping them off to the prison planet, they wanted to make all gay characters wear little pink triangles.

PR speak decryptor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582313)

"Unfortunately, this will take a lot more work than we realised at the time and it (like some other pieces of content we talked about earlier in the year) has been delayed as we focused on the changes required to take the game Free-to-Play."

Because you shmucks wouldn't subscribe to the game we had to cut all the budgets except Lucas's and the C-Level execs and gut everything that was moderately decent about the game (or promised) to give you any sort of update.

penis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582331)

Gee, th-thanks Jewish m-media. I'll check my cis p-privilege after my morning coffee, I p-promise.

Misleading much... (2)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 2 years ago | (#42582403)

Same gender relationships are new content to TOR. New content goes in new places. Trying to back add it into existing content would be a nightmare. It's not that Markab is the 'gay'planet, it's that it's the first planet going forward that supports what they are calling SGR. And all future planets likely will as well.

There are two basic problems with trying to add SGR into existing content

First: Cost. TOR has been an epic financial failure. Trying to rehire a bunch of voice actors, add in appropriate points for them to have SGR dialogue etc. is a lot of work, and importantly:

Second: What do you do for characters that have already done the content you're changing? For good or ill, your character has made a series of choices throughout the game that set the state of that characters relationships (notably with companions). Building huge content branches where you can either change after the fact, or only effect new characters is certainly possible, but it's a lot of work for content a lot of players aren't going to see.

Besides that, as was said, BioWare didn't really understand just what it was getting itself into with an MMO, and discovering after the fact that this is going to take a lot longer than they thought necessarily means making some compromises. And the longer it goes on without SGR the harder it becomes to fix because there will be more players who've gone through the existing content because they've given up waiting on the developers.

Re:Misleading much... (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 2 years ago | (#42582719)

As a semi-casual player, I think I can answer the question on replaying content. Replaying content is the core of SWTOR. They even made a legacy system which specifically requires you to play through the game time and time again to get rewards. Vast majority of their content and essentially most if not all of the interesting content is in the personal stories, which require you to keep replaying the game time and time again to see.

It's simply the way the game is made. It's also why so many of us were confused at F2P model which gave the best content for free, and tries to charge for content that is sub-par (such as end game).

Re:Misleading much... (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#42582829)

I love SWTOR.

It is only a failure because EA is giving up on it too soon. Yes at launch it had issues compared to WOW. It is not fair it was not as mature as WOW as it is 7 years old. IT has improved with a flashpoint finder, more dailies, more balanced PVP etc. SWTOR has things brand new in MMOs too which I like.

I disagree it is new content. What about the dialogue with your companions that is already done? Just voice edit it and enable gay mode in the menus in the game? Most straight players do not want to see the flirt options with other same sex characters anyway and it should disabled by default.

Then have the same sex content available with more than companion scenes in the new planet if the user selects it on. Putting it back in is free or very little cost with the companions. Just edit the sounds of the existing straight conversions with the new voice replying back.

software. (0)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | about 2 years ago | (#42582467)

"Sorry, we can;t make the product that you've paid for do what we promised we would do so you would be able to use your purchase the way you want - we're too busy working on the task of making the product you paid for something that we can give to everyone else for free."

The software industry was the first to get away with shipping product known to be defective, at first using the "we'll fix it for you later" excuse, and then the "we'll make sure the NEW version works better, if you buy it... um, except for all of the new things that won't work."

Yeah, I know, this was a feature request and not a bug fix... but I see the software company influence pervading the actual hard PRODUCT market now too.

After all, what really is Newegg and Amazon feedback, often with bugfixes mentioned, driver updates, and techniques to get the product to work? It's handing part of the customer service work to the buyer, is what it is.

This summary is stupid. (2)

twocows (1216842) | about 2 years ago | (#42582513)

I'm biased against EA, Bioware, and SWTOR. KotOR 2 is my favorite game ever (especially with TSLRCM), and I think SWTOR ruined the franchise beyond repair, like George did with the new trilogy. There's no going back, they already retconned like half the stuff form KotOR 2 and just labelled Kreia (a fantastic character with a lot of depth) a "crazy old woman." I doubt we'll ever get another KotOR game; this is probably the end, and for what? Yet another MMO moneygrab, and a buggy one at that. I think what EA did with this is absolutely shameful and I refuse to buy EA products now because of it.

That said, this summary is absolutely ridiculous. How is adding content that people requested (if only in a small chunk at first) "anti-gay?" The summary makes it sound like anyone who ever wanted same-sex options are forced to stay on one planet, which isn't the case at all; the content just hasn't been added to the other places yet. I don't know who wrote this summary, but they ought to be ashamed, too. There are plenty of bad things to say about SWTOR, EA, and Bioware that are actually true that nobody should need to make shit up.

Other features of the planet (0)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | about 2 years ago | (#42582521)

Other notable features of the planet will include lots of really cute boutique stores, constant thudding dance music at night, and day trips for antiques.

Now someone explain how the people on this planet reproduced before they developed biotechnology. Mitosis? Budding?

Space tourists, beware! (0)

felizago (1371355) | about 2 years ago | (#42582539)

"Beware of the planet Faggotor, where the use of 'force' on your 'dark-side' is mandatory".

Planet Name (3, Funny)

kdogg73 (771674) | about 2 years ago | (#42582553)

Uranus

Okay... I'm sorry. Don't be mad. I cringed too when it crossed my mind.

No safe answer here (1)

onyxruby (118189) | about 2 years ago | (#42582561)

They were in a bind on this with no safe way to do this at all. Make something that is politically correct in some parts of the world and you'll deeply offend other people in other parts of the world with different values. Different cultures simply don't share the same set of values and when we try to impose are values on other cultures it creates a lot of resentment.

It's a balancing act and Bioware is well aware of this. They tried to strike a balance and they were going to be damned no matter what they did. I'm not saying I had a better idea (I don't) on how to do this, but give them credit for trying. There's a country song out right now that's become popular that could just as well be relevant about this as well, "Southern Comfort Zone".

Re:Easy solution (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#42582767)

Put the option in the menus. By default it is off. Turn it on and options appear.

Sounds like a solution rather than spending money with same sex content and acting.

Diversion (1)

ButchDeLoria (2772751) | about 2 years ago | (#42582635)

EA's been using its very very recent pro-LGBTQ stance to just thinly veil the fact that $300 million was spent on this atrocity of a tribute to the Titanic film.

You guys needs to grow up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42582639)

It is THEIR game and they can do anything they want with it. If you dont like it then dont play it, it really is that easy. But oh no, everyone thinks if something isnt as they think it should be then they complain and try to change it. Well did you ever stop and think that when you tell others what to think or do that youre just being a facist jerk? Were supposed to be free in this country, that means free to do as you want. So if they want to make a planet for gay characters right or wrong its their choice and when you say its wrong youre trying to take away their choice.

Thats the problem with people who preach freedom because they only want the freedom to make things how they think it should be. And everyone preaches tolerance when you guys obviously arent being tolerant, you only want others to tolerate you but you dont want to tolerate them. Hell if bioware wants to make a KKK game then they should be allowed to without complaint because they are supposed to be free to do as they wish and were supposed to be tolerant enough to accept them and their decisions.

So if you dont like it then dont play it and shut up. Stop trying to conedemn others, focus on your own life and mind your own business for christ sake.

Re:You guys needs to grow up. (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#42582833)

Well did you ever stop and think that when you tell others what to think or do that youre just being a facist jerk?

The funniest defense against contract law I've ever seen. They don't want an opinion, they shouldn't ask for money.

Companions? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#42582725)

The point of relationships is only companions can get intimate enough with your characters. The others are just flirts.

I think gay and lesbian players would want a RT with someone they are close too in the game. I do not liek the gay planet idea. It will discourage straight players from going there and it means homophobia for the rest of the galaxy. In real life gay and lesbian people exist everwhere and I think in the dialoge would be great if the user went into the advanced settings to enable. By default keep it straight.

That way it is non offensive and kid friendly and nice for those who want a female character but have no men hitting on them either :-)

Nothing to see, move along (1)

Gibgezr (2025238) | about 2 years ago | (#42582769)

Adding in extra story choices/dialog/voiceovers/animations to support new "flirts" is a big job. It has NOTHING to do with whether the "flirt" is homosexual or heterosexual (or robosexual!), the extra work is there with every "flirt" they add. Going back and making the old encounters support more "flirts" is a big job, one that they don't have the resources to do right now, especially as the original voice actors would have to be recalled.

Whoever labelled their commitment to adding homosexual flirtations to new encounters an 'oddly regressive move' is an idiot.

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