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Missouri Republican Wants Violent Video Game Tax

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the guns-don't-kill-people,-imaginary-guns-do dept.

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New submitter sHr0oMaN writes with news that Diane Franklin, a Republican member of Missouri's state House of Representatives, has proposed a sales tax on violent video games. The proposal, HB0157I, is one of many responses to the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. The proceeds from the tax would go toward mental health programs and law enforcement in the hopes that future shootings can be prevented. The total amount taxed would be small — 1% — and would be applied to video games rated Teen, Mature, or Adult-only by the ESRB. Of course, many games earn the "Teen" rating without having violence in them, like Guitar Hero. The Entertainment Software Association responded to Rep. Franklin's bill with a statement: "Taxing First Amendment protected speech based on its content is not only wrong, but will end up costing Missouri taxpayers."

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506 comments

Misdirection (5, Interesting)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598879)

Looks to me like a Republican, in the face of potential gun bans, is pointing at video games and saying "LOOK OVER HERE! HERE! LOOK OVER HERE INSTEAD."

Mind you I'm completely against any gun legislation myself.

Re:Misdirection (5, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599097)

I'm for punishing criminals and leaving law abiding citizens the right to own whatever weapons they want. However, it would be dishonest of me to act like it was a copy of Star Craft II (the game news reports stated he played) was used to murder the 20+ people in the latest spree killing, rather than -- you know -- firearms. It'd also be dishonest to act like he was being influenced by Star Craft II, instead of medication. Or that he was influenced by Star Craft II, instead of a crazy end-of-times-preparing mother.

Re:Misdirection (1, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599157)

a crazy end-of-times-preparing mother

Perhaps it's the "speak no ill of the dead" rule, but I hadn't heard anything bad about the mother, almost nothing about her, other than she was trying to get him committed at the time, and even that seems unreliable, given the other early reports that were simply wrong, but repeated more than the truth itself.

Re:Misdirection (0)

jhoegl (638955) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599277)

Meh, if we are too stupid to fix things, change minds, and train properly, then we are simply a victim of our own ignorance.
This includes current parents who see nothing wrong with things such as gun proliferation, global warming, and over population.
Just like the debt, since I was a teenager, people have been saying "You are going to make our kids pay for your mistakes"
Guess what mother fuckers, the bill is due.

Re:Misdirection (2)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599279)

It has been mentioned that she was a survivalist type (which is why she had an AR-15). I don't know if that, true, but either way, she didn't survive.

Re:Misdirection (3, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599105)

Maybe, but that doesn't excuse the giant misdirection from the left with its assumption that more bans = safer (look at chicago, and we tried this with alcohol too). If anything, more bans increases the pressure of the conflict. People who shoot up schools/malls/whatever are highly motivated. Making guns harder to get will not stop these people. If the goal is to prevent these events, then the leadership should spend more time fixing the core problems of our society, like the dying economy and civil liberties instead of passing populist kneejerk unsolutions. When most people are doing well, fewer are interested in killing.

The exception proves the exception (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599167)

Outside the USA, gun bans are normal and deaths by weapons are all a tiny fraction of those in the USA. Where guns are allowed (e.g. Switzerland has quite a few) they get a lot more deaths, Swiss being more prone to just killing themselves than gun rampage+suicide.

Gun's don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

People with knives, you can run away from, guns though are designed to give the owner a killing advantage. There's simply no need for a killing advantage unless your intention is to kill.

"like the dying economy and civil liberties instead of passing populist kneejerk unsolutions"

So you're blaming the kid going into school with his moms GUN on the economy?
"Kneejerk", hardly kneejerk, this has been raised again and again and needs to be tackled but Republican gun nuts like Diane Franklin would sacrifice thousands of school children for their few thousand dollars NRA lobby money.

Re:The exception proves the exception (2, Insightful)

Lord Kano (13027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599205)

The factor that you ignore is that these countries with draconian gun controls had fewer per capita gun murders than the US when their people were armed.

LK

Re:The exception proves the exception (1, Interesting)

Ironhandx (1762146) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599413)

Also the fact that gun violence, in the UK at least, has increased, because they KNOW that their targets are not armed. The only ones with guns are the criminals.

Making concealed carry hard to acquire is good. Allows cops to go after criminals for suspicious bulges. If they bother a law-abiding citizen they just won't find anything.

Re:The exception proves the exception (1, Insightful)

flayzernax (1060680) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599229)

Seriously your not going to blame a corrupted to the core economy which has a billion links and citations to go with it on people loosing their f'ing minds?

I can't get inside this dumb ass kids head, but I imagine he was pretty sure he was going to live a life of servitude to a master he didn't want. He probably didn't ever get a real shitkicking, so didn't learn empathy for pain and suffering. He probably suckled at his mothers teat his whole life. He probably was angry and wanted to end it. He probably was made fun of in school as a kid and blamed other kids for his unhappiness. He was also probably medicated into oblivion so at the time he just had rationalizations based on his anger issues.

The problem is our culture forbids natural selection. From the top down. Politicians and Rich first. We need to bring in a ninja caste to this god-damned country if you ask me.

Fuck banning guns, ban stupidity first. Thats why the fuck the 2cnd amendment was written. But no one wants to put their balls on the line, they stopped doing that when we eliminated militia's and when instead of loosing the war, the god-damned Nazi's just migrated into our country, minus a figurehead or two.

This Blonde "Bimbo" has more balls then any man I know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis [youtube.com]

And to my knowledge she didn't kill anybody yet, she's just grounded the fuck in reality.

Re:The exception proves the exception (2, Insightful)

flayzernax (1060680) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599263)

P.S. our medical system is 500% more fucking corrupt then our economic system. Pharmaceuticals, corrupt ass doctors, pushing drugs that destroy peoples sex drives and wreck their lives. Just for control and more money. Ignoring the real socia-political-cultural problems. We stopped dealing with it as a society when we stopped being politically incorrect and rallying, forcibly if necessary.

Re:The exception proves the exception (2, Interesting)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599353)

I agree with some of your post, except for two areas.

Bully anyone enough, even the most well-adjusted happy teenager, and you'll get a psychopath out the other end, regardless of his upbringing.. The public schools are breeding grounds for this kind of behavior because instead of teaching kids to stand up for themselves, our 'PC' culture teaches ineffectual passive-aggressive 'coping skills' that actually magnify the teasing as they destroy self-esteem. The 'normal' kids who aren't fully indoctrinated with them actually end up with better self esteem than the kids they tease as a result. So instead of a fist fight or two in 7th grade, he shoots up his school senior year.. or, much more likely, has some kind of breakdown. I've watched less extreme examples following the same dynamics go down time and time again while I was in school, and I can't imagine my school system was/is unique.

Oh, and simply kicking the crap out of children for every offense doesn't build empathy. It builds deep seated anger if done repeatedly to modify behavior. For example, I heard today there was a 12 year old who shot his neonazi father for abuse and the kid is serving 11 years for that. The claim is that the father regularly beat both the kid and his wife.

To those who say gun bans would've prevented this, I say it wouldn't have. Instead of a 'gun death', the murder/act of self defense would've been counted some other way as it would've likely still occurred.

Re:The exception proves the exception (0)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599253)

Outside the USA, gun bans are normal and deaths by weapons are all a tiny fraction of those in the USA. Where guns are allowed (e.g. Switzerland has quite a few) they get a lot more deaths, Swiss being more prone to just killing themselves than gun rampage+suicide.

That's nice. Consensus doesn't imply truth or justify a course of action unles the goal is solely to make people feel better temporarily.

People with knives, you can run away from, guns though are designed to give the owner a killing advantage. There's simply no need for a killing advantage unless your intention is to kill.

You can sanitize the environment all you like, but if someone wants to kill, they will.

So you're blaming the kid going into school with his moms GUN on the economy?
"Kneejerk", hardly kneejerk, this has been raised again and again and needs to be tackled but Republican gun nuts like Diane Franklin would sacrifice thousands of school children for their few thousand dollars NRA lobby money.

omg the children! the children! will someone please protect them? (the irony here being that schools are using armed guards WITH GUNS to do the protecting).

Yes, I am blaming it, indirectly, among other things. A miserable economy affects everyone's well being negatively. The worse things get for more people, the more 'canaries' like lanza you'll see come out of the woodwork. If kids are going batshit crazy in school, like columbine or VA tech, or are targeting schools years after they graduated even when the targeted school isn't one they attended, maybe the core problem lies elsewhere? Of course, that would require liberals to acknowledge that the public school system needs serious repair, but they won't do more than pay lip service to that.

Re:The exception proves the exception (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599313)

Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

no, no, that's quite incorrect.

"Guns don't kill people; apes with guns kill people."

at least that's what charleston heston used to say. he would know, right?

Re:The exception proves the exception (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599333)

"charleston heston"

sigh.

damn you, spell correct. damn you all to hell!

s/b charlton heston. afaik, he had nothing to do with that trendy dance, so long ago.

Re:The exception proves the exception (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599345)

Shill alert!

http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm [cryptome.org]

Read this and look for the signs. Nobody would post something like this normally unless they were paid to! Ignore and move on!

Only America has guns (1)

kawabago (551139) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599351)

Only America has these problems. You figure it out.

Re:Only America has guns (0)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599381)

That's my point. The problem is cultural. Simple bans will not alter this. ..and no, the USA is not the only country with problems. Quit restricting yourself to eurocentric media.

No taxation without representation ... (1)

DavidClarkeHR (2769805) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599181)

Looks to me like a Republican, in the face of potential gun bans, is pointing at video games and saying "LOOK OVER HERE! HERE! LOOK OVER HERE INSTEAD."

Well, I guess it would be okay if Colleen Lachowicz [dailymail.co.uk] was my representative. Otherwise, I'd refuse. I mean, are there even any republicans out there that have actually played a videogame?

Re:Misdirection (4, Insightful)

Muros (1167213) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599195)

Gun control is, unfortunately (or not, depending on your point of view) the only way to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people. There is much hand-wringing going on about why this guy shot a load of people, why people keep on doing things like this. The simple answer is that he was not right in the head. There will always be people like that around. Doesn't matter how good your mental health program is, welfare subsidised or not (and I'm a socialist, I'm all in favour of paying to keep crazy people slightly less crazy). Crazy people will still do things that no sane person of any religious or political affiliation would find remotely acceptable. I'm not saying you need to ban guns or anything in the US. I don't really care whether some lad who likes to hunt or just shoot at targets has a gun, it isn't something I'm into purely because I live in a country that is completely domesticated. The most dangerous wild animals here are badgers, and there is no big game. Hunters here shoot foxes & pheasants. People in the US have uses for guns that I don't, and I wouldn't take that away from them. That said... there really should be some way you can make sure that someone who is completely batshit crazy can't just pick up a gun and kill people with impunity until the cavalry arrives.

I don't want to ban guns. I'm male, and I think guns are cool. But seriously, sort yourselves out over there.

It has to be misdirection. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599209)

The rest of the fucking industrialized world has violent video games and violent movies, and the vast majority of them do not see the gun deaths we do.

Re:Misdirection (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599301)

Yeah, it's misdirection. But all this "legislate away tragedy" stuff is. I think politicians get a boner when they see disaster in the news.

Re:Misdirection (1, Insightful)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599343)

No silly, look over here [motherjones.com] . Then maybe over here [goo.gl] . The finally come over here [youtube.com] . Hopefully this brings some clarity for you.

Question (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598889)

How are mental health programs and law enforcement going to stop the one messed up kid who doesn't talk to anyone outside of the internet?

If nobody knows the psycho is out there, no amount of money can prevent them spazzing out.

Re:Question (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598917)

Well shucks kid, if he ain't out there playin' football like a healthy boy his age ought to do, I reckon there be something not right in that there head o' his and he should be seeing one o' dem head-looking-atter fellas or whatcha call em

right (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599011)

putting the mentally unstable out in the world is better

the Nazis did stuff like that they made the Jews (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599057)

the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear as well sending them off to camps and that was a very bad idea.

Re:Question (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598953)

It can't. The real question is, how the fuck yet another mental case shooting up a school automatically the result of video games?

And once again, the answer is that they don't. People always have to pick something to blame that the majority of people like to do.

Re:Question (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599085)

Exactly. They might as well tax gangsta rap "music".

Blaming video games is quick and easy, and taxing them is also quick and easy.
The real problem is that since the Carter administration, this country has been turning nut cases loose in massive numbers. Look at the homeless population of any large city and you will find enough whack jobs to fill an asylum.

But it goes farther than that. The very definition of insane has been made obsolete in the rush to accept diversity of every possible kind. Therefore there is no longer any method for anyone to even determine if anyone needs attention or watching or a full bore intervention. Any assertion that some one might be worth watching is chocked up to bigotry. And its not just civilians that are doubted. Professionals are equally at sea in this environment.

So lets blame video games. They seem kind of creepy, and we don't like the looks of the kid looking at them in the stores.

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599147)

Allot of people who would normally be alright in communities that weren't ruled by the almighty dollar, power, and institutionalized living also wouldn't be insane normally either. Yet our culture does not reward courage, honesty, integrity, respect, or any other Christian values, and I'm not talking about bigotry towards gays, a real Christ like person would look the other way and shun them, see that they were fed, and not abuse them. Not that I'm Christian, just pointing out that there are value systems that work if people bothered to learn from them rather then use them as a means of control.

Lets not forget about self determination, your tested for what your good at.
Lets not forget free creativity, everyone owns your mind (intellectual property).

But this country is polarized towards several classes. Some just surviving, some trying to hold on to what they have, and the last tiny class of politicians and plutocrats just seeing how many peons they can push over the edge. Then making sensationalist news out of it so they can fuck the other two. Because they are afraid of us. They know once we realize that the bullshit rules and money, and banks, and credit are bullshit, that we will do what we want anyway and their empires will collapse.

This is just all part of the plan. Call me crazy if you want.

Probably the Real Problem (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599163)

Rap music, celebrating and perpetuating thuggery, is probably a substantial contributor to gun violence. It's certainly a leading tool to push "don't snitch"

Re:Probably the Real Problem (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599221)

The behavior of the police in minority communities is the driving force behind the "stop snitching" movement. When you are mistreated by law enforcement, it doesn't give you much of an incentive to cooperate with them.

LK

Re:Probably the Real Problem (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599331)

The behavior of the police in minority communities is the driving force behind the "stop snitching" movement.

Really? That's not what I hear.
The driving force behind "stop snitching" is the gang bangers that show up at your door if you snitch.

Re:Question (0)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599123)

Well, the firearms that his mother kept accessible to her crazy son, whom she knew was crazy, obviously aren't to blame. The medication obviously wasn't. It obviously wasn't the anti-depressants which often have a listed side-effect of causing suicidal thoughts in young persons prescribed them, which was at fault. It clearly wasn't the end-of-times apocalypse preparing mother who stockpiled food, weapons, and ammo who was at fault. It clearly wasn't any family or friends or school officials who may have ignored things. It definitely couldn't have been his own fault. Just because it's a thing that one out of like one-hundred-million people do, it couldn't have just been an unavoidable freak event that nobody can prepare themselves for or save themselves from and should just accept that sometimes bad shit happens out of the blue with no explanation.

It had to be the video games. Because the news said he enjoyed playing Star Craft II and everyone knows that it's a slippery slope from real-time-strategy games to murdering dozens of toddlers with firearms. And because, while the above things were all fairly unique to this guy and his family, Star Craft II is something that tens of millions of people play. So obviously, that . . . . OH WAIT A SECOND.

Re:Question (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599149)

The real question is, how the fuck yet another mental case shooting up a school automatically the result of video games

It wasn't the video games, man. It was the briefcase. That kid carried a briefcase. We should be, like, taxing them. Briefcases are the problem, man.

It's briefcases, all the way down . . .

Re:Question (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599337)

Dude, just give up. The crazies have taken over, and they're running things.

Re:Question (4, Insightful)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599183)

Call me crazy but aren't most people educated in public facilities that could theoretically have people in them? Of those theoretical people how many would you say probably have at least one functioning eye and one functioning ear? Now of that subset how many do you figure would have a functioning mouth?

The real problem isn't the lack of observers but the lack of responders to the observations from the observers. The criminal justice system is the only established means of dealing with mental illness in the United States. If a kid has a problem and the parents can't/won't bankroll it themselves, then there are effectively zero treatment options available until the kid gets a criminal record. The government won't pay for it neither will health insurance won't pay for it. Even if they did, there exists no legal framework outside of criminal law to force someone into treatment when justified.

the rest of missouri wants (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42598895)

the rest of missouri wants a tax on violent republicans

Elephants *do* forget (5, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598907)

A Republican wants a tax? Someone is about to receive a pair of "Norquist galoshes".

Missouri Tyrant Wants Violent Video Game Tax (2)

mfwitten (1906728) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598961)

People should start referring to these people properly.

Quit framing this as Democrat vs. Republican issue; this is an issue of Tyranny vs. Liberty, and Tyranny will rear its ugly head in any party that it can!

Re:Missouri Tyrant Wants Violent Video Game Tax (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599109)

Okay, Jedi's versus Darths

Re:Elephants *do* forget (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599111)

Obviously guns are not generating enough revenue to the US because the heavy underground traffic doesn't pay taxes (neither contraband, or drugs, etc).

Instead, let's tax something that cannot be easily trafficked with (Let's face it the studios, and anti piracy groups have this fairly controlled generating lots of revenue for them).

Taxes (2)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598909)

And pray tell, honorable senator from Missouri, what will these taxes go to? Because given your party's actions to date, I'm pretty sure it won't be helping to educate anyone. Maybe a discount on some voucher program? Paying for adults to stand in front of teens and explain to them how condoms are only for bananas? Or maybe a rainy day fund for members of your party caught in airport restrooms?

Ok, fine (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42598915)

Then put a tax on guns too.

Re:Ok, fine (1)

davydagger (2566757) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598987)

two wrongs don't make a right.

Re:Ok, fine (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599349)

Perhaps in his world, they do.

Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42598927)

I liked a comment recently made (can't remember who) that violent games and entertainment are a reflection of our society. Not projecting violence on it.

Re:Mirror (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599141)

First, that's applied to all art and entertainment.

Second, even if it DID project violence on to it -- even if it was in some minor way responsible for desensitizing people (it isn't), then so what? We're going to take an axe to the first amendment, because one person out of every fifty to one hundred million is negatively impacted by stupid shit? Of course not. Which renders all of this fucking moot.

ESRB as tax-man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42598929)

Giving the ESRB power to effectively levy a tax is a horrible, horrible, idea. Bonus points if somehow they can direct the revenue back to themselves.

Why mention party? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42598945)

I love how often REPUBLICAN is screamed at the top of the lungs when the topic is perceived to be something "evil" but when it's a corrupt Democrat, even one convicted, or one up to no good ... *crickets*

Re:Why mention party? (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599061)

Republicans are learning from Democrats: next they'll tax gay-ness and Darwin Winter Holiday Trees.

Re:Why mention party? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599079)

Because this is a new tax being pushed by a member of a party that fights all other taxes tooth and nail? Adds an element of hypocracy to the whole thing that's newsworthy, does it not?

Don't worry, we still remember who was putting the stickers on the cassette tapes and who pushed the DMCA. Though it'd help if there was ever a strong backlash by the Republicans in favor of free speech instead of ... *crickets*.

Re:Why mention party? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599089)

Ah poor whiny persecuted Republican. Got to complain about the liberals in the media picking you, right?

That way you don't actually have to deal with the criticism, but can dismiss it as the other side being intolerant and judgmental.

Sorry dipshit, but you know the right-wing propaganda machine ballyhoos liberal and Democrats as dirty words, so you can't even pretend to be aggrieved without being hypocritical.

Oh wait, you're defending a Conservative Republican idea. Hypocrisy is in your bones.

Quick, try accusing me of being a hypocrite too!

Re:Why mention party? (0)

lightknight (213164) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599359)

Enough. It's open season on both parties. Shoot who you like, and be mindful that there is no bag limit.

Re:Why mention party? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599375)

Uh. really? Nobody ever talks about Liberals or Democrats enmeshed in scandals?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_edwards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_weiner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_spitzer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich (and well, half the democrats who have ever held major public office in my home state...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder (and several others in the obama administration - Libya, Fast and the Furious, etc...)

and from longer ago... but I seem to recall an Awful lot of talk about...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton

These are just a few of the big ones off the top of my head.... Politicians of both parties cause scandals, politicians of both parties are called out for their scandals.

This ultra-conservative nonsense of blaming the liberal media for everything has gotten ridiculous. Just because you're to the 'left' of FoxNews doesn't make you a liberal on an absolute scale. It just means you aren't ultra-conservative.

This hyper-partisanship is turning a moderate Republican like me into a Democrat-leaning independent. I didn't sign up for creationism in schools, rape-sperm shields, blaming video games for gun violence, saving the ultra-rich, gay marriages will turn kids gay, quality healthcare only for the wealthy, censorship - think of the children!, blocking ANY regulation of businesses - even after major scandals, the endless war on drugs, tax cuts on the wealthy, no gun control of any kind, anything that comes from the mouth of Todd Akin, Rush Limbaugh or Rick Santorum, spending cuts always being balanced by defense spending increases, hyper-nationalism bordering on jingoism, and intolerance in general.

I signed up for fiscal conservatism mixed with a moderate dose of social responsibility.
I signed up for the Moderate Right - which is dead and buried. Rest in Peace.

Free speech should be free/gratis. (0)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598947)

As soon as you start charging for it or place limits on redistribution and dissemination, it is no longer free expression but it becomes commerce. If I am charging for speech then I am conducting a "business" transaction which can be regulated by the state but if I am distributing my "speech" for free then it is still speech. If a video game costs money then it is a product and no longer "free" expression. The same thing goes for porn. If you are "expressing" yourself for profit then you are not "expressing" yourself but rather trying to sell something.

Re:Free speech should be free/gratis. (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599043)

Very well. But what if the primary methods of distribution people use to disseminate "speech" rely upon a revenue stream to run? (e.g. print, radio, broadcast television, cable, youtube) Given the infrastructure costs for "speech" in modern media, should all methods of distribution which aren't non-profit be regarded as engaging in commerce rather than speech and regulated accordingly? Is free speech and expression limited to what I can do using my voice in the town square?

Re:Free speech should be free/gratis. (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599231)

As soon as you start charging for it or place limits on redistribution and dissemination,

Errrmmm... So, aristotle... let's be "logical" to the end.

So... you know... if one starts placing restriction on who the one makes sex with, it's no longer a form of expression, it's becoming commerce and, as such, subject to state regulations. The monogamous marriages would better go and... (either pay money as a tax, also as an option:) fsck the states' tax offices too... in the percentage established by tax regulations. Specifically, if a condom is used during the act, the percentage should be higher (not only the sex is restricted to a single person, but the dissemination of the... well, the product called semen... is artificially restricted as well).
Given the percentage of monogamous population (e.g. fundamentalist Christians of one flavour or the other in the "bible belt"), this will either result in paying the public debt in a very short time or in sperm inflation and total depreciation of sperm banks as institutions... which will result in job losses. A risky proposition, wouldn't you agree dude?

Funds go where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42598949)

Yeah, funds will go towards mental health, just like cigarette taxes go towards healthcare for smokers. Also, I've got a bridge you might like to buy...

Yet another reason to pirate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42598971)

Yet another reason to pirate
Extra 0,5$ in game prices

just buy online and pay 0 tax so they give up sale (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599071)

just buy online and pay 0 tax so they give up sales tax with this BS as well.

Tax violent news and television too!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42598973)

Tax violent news and television too!! Effin retarded!

Not such a bad idea (0)

Ichijo (607641) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598983)

If you can calculate the external cost of some product or activity, why would you *not* want to correct the market failure by internalizing that cost into a tax? That said, I doubt 1.00% is the actual cost to society of violent video games. It's a suspiciously round number, just like most taxes we pay. Making up numbers out of thin air like this is an irresponsible way to create legislation.

Re:Not such a bad idea (2)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599155)

So you don't want a made-up number for the tax levied to a product that is an imaginary culprit for a freak-event that occurs with one person every couple of years?

Re:Not such a bad idea (1)

Ichijo (607641) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599227)

Why would you ever want a made-up number?

Video Game Tax (5, Funny)

technomom (444378) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598985)

Right. Because nothing says Republican idea of small government more than taxing video games does. Thanks, dude.

Re:Video Game Tax (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599107)

The Republican idea of small government is as big as it can be while only being slightly smaller than the Democrats what it to be.

Re:Video Game Tax (4, Insightful)

trims (10010) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599285)

Actually, the Republican ideal of small government is just enough government that will fit in your bedroom.

Re:Video Game Tax (3, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599365)

small government really means 'go light on the social services'. that's the code word translation from republican-speak to normal english.

note that 'social services' includes our sewers, roads, infrastructure; you know, what us commoners rely on.

Re:Video Game Tax (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599371)

Yeah, a lot of people have noticed that. Which is why they were stripped of their 'small government' titles before the last election.

They are never going to get them back.

Stupid questions (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#42598997)

does a politician want exposure without committing any budget?

(given that's a republican politician): how much for "law enforcement" and what proportion for "mental health"?

What does violent games have to do with "mental health"? If "depicting violence whenever accessed" is the key for the answer, why not tax all the TV station for every news about violence? Or, indeed, any display of violence... even in sports involving fighting or... wars???

Never let a serious crisis go to waste... (5, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599003)

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

-Rahm Emanuel

So everyone you see these days flogging one plan or another in wake of Sandy Hook really don't give 2 shits about the kids that were killed, just about using the emotional uproar to advance their agenda and get it passed in a flurry of reflexive emotion.

Gonna be one odd IRS application to write: (4, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599017)

Sample Game Tax List:
$0.03 per ounce of blood visible
Spleen visible: $1
Spleen split/burst: $3
Brain visible: $2.50
Brain split/burst: $5
Heart visible: $2
Heart split/burst: $4
Intestine visible: $1.75
Intestine split/burst: $3.75
Choking/strangulation using intestine: $8
Choking/strangulation using victim's own intestine: $12
Flying eyeball: $2 per ball
Decapitation: $3 per head
Robot death: $0.30

Re:Gonna be one odd IRS application to write: (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599373)

I guess 'global thermonuclear war' is gonna be at least, what, $5.50?

perhaps a nice game of chess, instead, would be in order?

Perfect Combination (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599051)

Two things politicians love, new revenue and scapegoats.

Counterproductive (2)

steelfood (895457) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599063)

Make violent video games harder to get and play, and it's just going to increase the amount of violence in the real world.

There are always a few kids "inspired" by violent games, but for the majority of the people who play these things, it's an outlet for some pent-up aggression that they'd otherwise have trouble releasing.

A lot of these mass shootings are done by people who want control, but feel that it is slipping away from them. Video games, and violent video games in particular, give them this control, if only temporarily.

Re:Counterproductive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599247)

Calm down, calm down. It's not a tax on violent video games. You're reading it wrong. It's a tax on all video games, delivered violently. If you've ever wanted the chance to legally throw a roll of quarters through your congresscritter's limo, this'll be your chance!

Make life harder for poor people (3, Funny)

Roblimo (357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599073)

Ah yes.... there's little Timmy (the Dickens one, not the Slashdot one), saving to buy "Beserkers: The game with real bloodspurt(tm) certified by the NRA for massacre training, endorsed by Ted Nugent" and he's at the GameStart store and he's 14 cents short because of the tax.

DAMN YOU, Republicans! How dare you deny a child a game because of your endless taxes! It's like how in Florida you've run the cost of a carry permit up to ~$150 so people who live in poor, crime-ridden neighborhoods can't afford them.

Mitt Romney, this is all your fault. Grrrr.

Re:Make life harder for poor people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599135)

You're fucking retarded. Only the dolts that own this site would employ a fucking dunce like you.

Re:Make life harder for poor people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599317)

Re:Make life harder for poor people (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599383)

To be honest, he has a 3-number ID, and you are posting as an Anonymous Coward...chances are that even if he purchased that account off of eBay, he's still doing pretty well in life.

Religion (3, Insightful)

Xanlexian (122112) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599095)

Religion causes more violence than video games.

Tax churches.

Re:Religion (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599257)

So does being a self righteous asshat? How does that work out for you?

Re:Religion (1)

Xanlexian (122112) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599321)

You genuinely believe video games causes more violence than religion?

  Working out quite well for me, actually.

Can't always get what you want (3, Insightful)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599099)

Missouri Republican Wants Violent Video Game Tax

And I want idiots like him to shut the fuck up, respect my freedom, and do something useful. Oh well, I guess we can't always get what we want, and I suspect neither of us will in this case.

Already against this on principle. (3, Informative)

icannotthinkofaname (1480543) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599115)

Like TFS states, games can receive T, M, or AO ratings without being violent. If a game is AO for explicit sexual content, that isn't a violent video game (and I would be hard-pressed to find someone other than this Missouri representative who would believe otherwise). The ESRB does give specific qualifiers in the ratings for why a game is rated as it is. The ESRB will tell you, on the box, if a video game received its rating because of violent content.

If section 144.1020 were re-written so as to appear to be the product of a reasonable human being, I might be in favor of this idea.

Tax bullets (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599117)

They're a little more directly responsible when somebody dies from getting shot, no?

PA (1)

Riddler Sensei (979333) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599127)

Obligatory Penny-Arcade [penny-arcade.com] .

Re:PA (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599391)

Ah, that comic finally makes sense.

How about taxing the FUCKING GUNS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599171)

Man, Republicans are idiots.

This is Slashdot. You will be modded down . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599369)

Your statements are politically incorrect around here. They will offend a lot of Slashdotters.

Is there a contest going on? (4, Insightful)

sootman (158191) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599185)

"Stupidest Proposed Law in Response to a Tragedy" or something? I'm seeing a lot of entries lately.

Maybe... (1, Funny)

TsuruchiBrian (2731979) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599191)

Maybe the money from the tax should go towards buying guns for good guys so they can stop the bad guys?

this is what happens when (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599193)

lawmakers don't count to 10 before proposing or passing knee-jerk legislation after a 'significant event'.

Tax on Missouri Republicans (2, Funny)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599213)

You can have your tax on violent video games. But, only if I can get a tax on Missouri Republicans.

right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599273)

how about instead of guns and video games we tax and ban anti-depressants.

Ugh... (3, Interesting)

JasoninKS (1783390) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599339)

Alrighty Ms. Franklin, and just who gets to decide what is a "violent" video game? You and your church ladies?
I'm sure it'll have a broad enough definition that nearly every game could count. Space Invaders? You shot a weapon at enemies. Pac-Man? Ran around eating dots until eating "special" dots that make you strong enough to go take out your enemies. Super Mario Brothers? Stomped on enemies or sometimes shot them with fire once obtaining a special weapon.

Yet another bill proposed by someone that hasn't got a clue about the real world around them.

It will never fly (3, Interesting)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about a year and a half ago | (#42599399)

No one is going to accept paying more for a "violent" video game. Even if such a tax did some how make it through to the customer, game developers will just find a way to make the "violent" game rate not-violent. On the other hand if a "violent" video game does get taxed more the end result realistically will be nothing. A person who is going to kill doesn't care about $2 more for a video game, of course like I've said before, Video games don't make anyone kill or become violent so really this is an attempt to make money. The most violent people who have ever lived never even touched a video game, so to all those "violent video games cause violence", please explain.

How about movies and tv show? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599401)

Seriously, before putting a tax on violent videogame, how about putting one on all those gory movies and violent tv show first? And possibly also on the music of certain "rapper"/death metal "artist", that are filled with everything bad.

Rape Apologists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42599411)

Those kids at Sandy Hook were dressed provocatively and hold some of the responsibility.

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