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Canadian Court Rejects US Demand For Full Access To Megaupload Servers

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the prepare-the-invasion-fleet dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Nearly one year ago, the U.S. government launched a global takedown of Megaupload.com, with arrests of the leading executives in New Zealand and the execution of search warrants in nine countries. Canada was among the list of participating countries as the action included seizure of Megaupload.com servers. Last week, a Canadian court rejected a request to send mirror-imaged copies of 32 computer servers to authorities in the U.S., indicating that a more refined order is needed. Megaupload successfully argued 'that there is an enormous volume of information on the servers and that sending mirror image copies of all of this data would be overly broad, particularly in light of the scantiness of the evidence connecting these servers to the crimes alleged by the American prosecutors.'"

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The site is down, what's the point (5, Insightful)

schneidafunk (795759) | about a year ago | (#42604235)

What is the official reason for requesting the data anyway? Kim is being prosecuted and the site is down.

Re:The site is down, what's the point (4, Interesting)

schneidafunk (795759) | about a year ago | (#42604311)

Sorry, the reason is: "[6] The American prosecutors allege that individuals and the Respondent Megaupload Ltd. were parties to an offence of criminal infringement of copyright, conspiracy to infringe copyright, money laundering and racketeering. The allegation is that Megaupload Ltd. facilitated wrongful dissemination of copyright protected material such as movies and music."

However, Kim already successfully fought off extradition to the U.S., so how are these computers helpful?

Re:The site is down, what's the point (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604473)

They hope to get lucky and find more illegal files so they can charge Kim with hosting them as well and go for extradition on new, tougher charges. Obviously.

Re:The site is down, what's the point (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about a year ago | (#42604847)

They hope to get lucky and find more illegal files so they can charge Kim with hosting them as well and go for extradition on new, tougher charges. Obviously.

Or maybe they're thinking of going after users.

Re:The site is down, what's the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604969)

of course theyre going after users, among other things.

Re:The site is down, what's the point (2)

davester666 (731373) | about a year ago | (#42607019)

Maybe try to extradite Kim to Canada first, because New Zealand is being "difficult" about extraditing him directly to the US.

Re:The site is down, what's the point (1)

Tsingi (870990) | about a year ago | (#42608645)

What makes you think that Canada would be more likely to extradite him?

If there isn't enough evidence to turn over server data there likely isn't enough evidence to arrest him and send him to a country with draconian laws.

Re:The site is down, what's the point (2)

sjames (1099) | about a year ago | (#42605617)

Prosecutors hoping for some free porn for themselves and some free Disney movies for the kids?

Re:The site is down, what's the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42624557)

Couldn't they just torrent them?

Re:The site is down, what's the point (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42606643)

He is actually still fighting the extradition process in New Zealand.
It has however been established under NZ law the raid on his home was illegal, the taking of the servers and sending them to the US was illegal, the spying on him by a NZ government agency at the request of the US was illegal.

That may see the NZ government liable for millions in compensation, even to the point of loss of income for his business and it may make any evidence against him inadmissible and thus the extradition turned down.

The Unholy Shit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604475)

The rain was getting harder. It was now precisely 11:51 PM, and Mark was into his fifth beer. He was feeling pretty invincible but the night was young, and he intended to get wasted before it was all over. He had put in a rough week at work and he deserved it.

He lit another cigarette. He and his drinkin' buddies sat in their traditional circle, in Ian's apartment. The talk wandered from sex to work, back to sex, to basketball, finally settling on sex. Mark had eaten lunch at Taco Bell, and had drunk four cups of coffee between lunchtime and quitting. In addition, the beers were beginning to settle in. And now, at 11:51 PM, Mark had to take a shit. He stood up. "Shit break," he announced. It was customary among this group to make such an announcement.

Mark walked to the bathroom. As he locked the door behind him, thunder boomed. It was storming out there.

He pulled his pants down and sat on the toilet. Ian's bathroom was a mess. He counted five empty toilet paper rolls, two paperbacks, and yesterday's newspaper. His friends laughed about something. The lights flickered for a moment, and the pre-shit growl came from within. He could feel the product lined up inside him for disposal. Then, he began to push.

Plop. The first piece fell to the water. Then some movement, and Mark felt the main feature inside him, the mother lode. He grunted softly as he squeezed it out. It crackled past his sphincter, and splashed neatly into the bowl.

Then another one queued up, and came out. It was almost as big as its predecessor. Mark would have well-purged bowels tonight, he realized with a smirk. He heard thunder again, closer this time.

Another one? Jeez, he thought. When was my last shit? It ventured forth, Mark's muscles helping it out. It was the biggest one so far. The shit's passage through his anus, that rarest mix of pain and pleasure, was longer than any he could remember. Ahhhh...the stout log advanced with conviction. This was definitely going to be his finest creation; this was a huge one. Still grinning, he wondered if Ian had a camera.

He pushed. Peering between his legs, past his genitals, he saw that it had reached the water. This was like seeing the longest freight train ever. Damn, it was a wide one. And it was still attached! And there was more! He pushed more, harder. It kept coming. He couldn't even feel the end of this one yet; soon it was bending, folding on itself like a sundae topping. Mark stopped pushing and caught his breath. He was sweating; he realized that however long this piece of shit was, it wasn't nearly all the way out yet. He still couldn't feel the end.

He pushed, he strained, it kept coming. His intestines couldn't be that damn long, but this shit just wouldn't quit. In fact, he was feeling the diarrhoeal urgency of *having* to shit. He dutifully answered nature's call, and pushed harder. His efforts were rewarded with more shit. His sphincter was too strained to even pinch the loaf off. It was whole and complete.

He couldn't feel the end.

Fear now came to Mark. He flushed the toilet to make room for more. Even as the bowl refilled, the cramps rose up, and he pushed. Within seconds, the shit extended from his anus to bottom of the bowl. The harder he pushed, the more he had to shit. And it was getting worse. He scarcely had time to catch his breath; his face was quite red as he grunted and struggled to keep up. The shit seemed endless. He looked between his legs again, and gasped as he saw that the bowl was fully a quarter filled with his product, the water dangerously high. The tank wasn't even done filling, but he flushed again. Unfortunately, the plumbing was unable to handle the volume of feces, and the toilet backed up. Mark jumped when the cold water touched his buttocks.

It was now 11:57. Thunder roared outside as water and shit particles flowed onto the tile.

Mark's pants were bunched about his ankles, and he was in pain. The shit advanced relentlessly as he stumbled into the bathtub. He was almost panicking now, and didn't notice the trail of solid feces he had left. Gripping the tub for support, he squatted and kept pushing.

The conversation in the front room had stopped. Eddie smelled it first, and blamed a fart on Ian, but this was no fart. This was pure and concentrated; this was the smell that only the freshest shit can make. The four looked at each other, puzzled. Then they heard Mark's groaning from the bathroom.

"Mark, are you beating off again?" Doug asked. No answer.

The smell was worse. Brian sniffed deeply and gagged. "Jesus H. ...". Ian grimaced. "Goddamn...". They all went for the bathroom door at the same time. Ian jiggled the locked doorknob. Brian pounded on the door. "Dude, what the FUCK did you eat today?" No answer. Mark groaned. "You all right in there, Mark?"

They looked at each other again. Eddie sniffed and winced. There was no answer from inside. Brian knocked again. "Hey man, you OK?" No answer. A short scream came from within the bathroom.

Brian kicked the door open. Nobody spoke.

The odor was intense, feces was piled on the floor and in the bathtub. Mark was squatting next to the wall, his face impossibly red, his eyes helpless and terrified. Firm stool thrust forward from his anus like meat from a grinder. It landed in his pants bunched about his ankles, spilling over and piling up. He gritted his teeth and strained; all he could do was keep pushing. There was a sound like a ripping sheet and Mark's colon came loose from his now shapeless sphincter, oozing to the floor. His friends watched as the slimy organ descended, with shit still flowing from it. Mark screamed again, and somebody's watch beeped.

Brian got the worst of it, since he was closest to the door. He would later tell the police that he thought he had seen Mark's abdomen expand for an instant before it happened. None of the others had reported this. But they had all described the sound as a "dull thud", they had all been splattered with innards and feces as Mark's torso separated from the rest of his body.

"Massive gastrointestinal rupture/trauma secondary to indeterminate blockage" was noted in the medical examiner's report. An "unusually large amount of fecal matter" is also recorded, though the amount was not measured.

The funeral was closed-casket. Brian and Eddie seem to have recovered pretty well, though they never talk about Mark. Doug moved away, and nobody has heard from him lately. Sometimes, when he has to shit, Ian waits until the rain stops.

Re:The Unholy Shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42607699)

This reminds me of a post long ago about a guy who ate his bullies shit that I read on here. It was a weird read but I couldn't stop for the life of me.

Re:The site is down, what's the point (3, Funny)

CCarrot (1562079) | about a year ago | (#42605143)

What is the official reason for requesting the data anyway? Kim is being prosecuted and the site is down.

Nosiness.

Re:The site is down, what's the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42606337)

There's still good, hard-to-find pornography on those servers!

Thank you Canada (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604301)

This makes up for your frozen desolate wasteland of a climate for refusing to allow my car to start.

Since I'm stuck home for the day, I think I'll download a movie. ;)

Re:Thank you Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604427)

at least snowballs are easier to dodge than bullets

Re:Thank you Canada (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604701)

Too soon dude, too soon.

Re:Thank you Canada (-1, Offtopic)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#42604735)

I can never be too soon, all Americans have AK-47's and at least one M1A1 at home so it's only a matter of time before another shooting happen.

Re:Thank you Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604787)

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

Guns just make it faster ;)

Re:Thank you Canada (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604919)

I can never be too soon, all Americans have AK-47's and at least one M1A1 at home so it's only a matter of time before another shooting happen.

LOL, not quite. AK47's are the weapon of the enemy. We use AR15's and M-16's. Also, most of us have upgraded to the M1A2 for family use.

Re:Thank you Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42605793)

I can never be too soon, all Americans have AK-47's and at least one M1A1 at home so it's only a matter of time before another shooting happen.

LOL, not quite. AK47's are the weapon of the enemy. We use AR15's and M-16's. Also, most of us have upgraded to the M1A2 for family use.

No guns are allowed in heaven. However, in the 'other' place...

Re:Thank you Canada (3, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | about a year ago | (#42606213)

LOL, not quite. AK47's are the weapon of the enemy. We use AR15's and M-16's. Also, most of us have upgraded to the M1A2 for family use.

Or 350 pound mountain gorillas [theonion.com]. After all, it’s your God-given right as an American to have the freedom to own a gorilla to protect yourself and your family.

Re:Thank you Canada (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42605333)

I have to ask how this relates?
    Firstly I have yet to see an actual study that proves that legal gun ownership increases risk of someone performing a public shooting. The same goes for violent video games. I would contend that it's far more likely that the individuals that perform these acts are mentally ill, and need help long before they ever opened fire. I would also point out that no one has as of yet shown me that there is a correlation between the inelegance of these individuals is reliability low. This part scares me as it indicates that if you were to remove guns from the equations you might have far more horrific consequences. Just imagine one of these guys releasing home possibly made mustard gas, with a few smoke bombs for distraction, toxic touch explosives lining the ground to create additional chaos, and to top it off welding exits shut to prevent escapees. (which can be done quickly with just a little home made termite) The sad thing is that you can make all of these with just a little internet searching in less than a week. Personally, I would rather have the guns than seeing the outcome of a mind as twisted as mine, only bent on killing innocents. There are far worse things in this world than guns and if you take the guns away, people will begin searching for them.
You want to stop killings attack the real problem, humans.

And just for reference i don't own a gun currently, I cant aim worth crap.So rather than risking injuring someone I love I'd rather take a safer route, all I can say about it is don't threaten me and get within arms reach. (Especially if you think the things I mentioned earlier are scary, that is just the beginning.)

Re:Thank you Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42624599)

Look, these crazies are American. If doing something involves either (a) reading something, or (b) moving more than 25 feet from where they park their car, then they are not going to do it. Guns are pretty much the only means of mass murder that meet these criteria, so take them away and the only worse outcomes you have to fear are the public health problems associated with their inevitable obesity.

Re:Thank you Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42607103)

Yeah, what the hell, Canada didn't bend to the USA's will instantly like it always does? I'm both shocked and surprised, honestly.

Although, being Canadian, I have extraordinarily little doubt that it'll be less than a week before Canada kowtows to the USA, and apologizes for the delay in obeying their every whim.

Re:Thank you Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42608551)

Yeah, what the hell, Canada didn't bend to the USA's will instantly like it always does? I'm both shocked and surprised, honestly.

Although, being Canadian, I have extraordinarily little doubt that it'll be less than a week before Canada kowtows to the USA, and apologizes for the delay in obeying their every whim.

Prime Minister Harper has been idled no more by the First Nations unrest to be worried about the Government of the United States of Amerika. Next week the Public Safety Minister Vic Tows will visit Washington to receive some re-education at Camp Gitmo. If you want evidence the government is out of its mind 99% of the time check out Officer Bubbles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMTm3QRwEc

And in other completely unrelated news (5, Informative)

idontgno (624372) | about a year ago | (#42604421)

Canada continues to appear in the United States' Trade Representative "Special 301 [wikipedia.org]" report as a "Priority Watch Foreign Nation", under active suspicion of not supporting US intellectual property regimes, having inadequate intellectual property laws, and also not being "a team player".

And it was a Canadian MP that put them there (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604825)

And not often mentioned is the role Harper's lot played in getting the Canada on that list.... thanks to Wikileaks we can see the coordination between Harper and the US.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5986/135/

Industry Minister Tony Clement’s policy director asked U.S. officials to add Canada to their Special 301 Priority Watch List. See, they have an agenda, they ask Canada to be put on the list, then they can use the presence of Canada on the list as an excuse to enact a lot of nasty IP laws they wanted to do anyway. Cute huh?

Re:And it was a Canadian MP that put them there (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#42605767)

And not often mentioned is the role Harper's lot played in getting the Canada on that list.... thanks to Wikileaks we can see the coordination between Harper and the US.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5986/135/ [michaelgeist.ca]

Industry Minister Tony Clementâ(TM)s policy director asked U.S. officials to add Canada to their Special 301 Priority Watch List. See, they have an agenda, they ask Canada to be put on the list, then they can use the presence of Canada on the list as an excuse to enact a lot of nasty IP laws they wanted to do anyway. Cute huh?

It's already started, bill C-11 for example. But there's also Canada's unwavering suppor for ACTA and the TPP...

Hell, Harper/Clement has yet to properly respond to the thing where C-11 increases fair dealing, but disallows breaking digital locks. Given very few media is sold without locks, it basically takes away everything it gives. To which neither have given any response to. Other than "It's good for Canada!"

Re:And it was a Canadian MP that put them there (0)

Minwee (522556) | about a year ago | (#42606269)

Except you're not allowed to call it "Canada" any more. It's just "Harper [www.cbc.ca]" nowadays.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#42604855)

"The Government is disappointed with the United States' decision to include Canada in its [year here] Special 301 "Watch List." Canada does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis, and we have raised this issue regularly with the U.S. in our bilateral discussions."

"In regard to the watch list, Canada does not recognize the 301 watch list process. It basically lacks reliable and objective analysis. It's driven entirely by U.S. industry. We have repeatedly raised this issue of the lack of objective analysis in the 301 watch list process with our U.S. counterparts."

Unless policy has changed, that watch list is largely regarded [michaelgeist.ca] as being mostly about special interest groups with no good basis.

Sorry, but that is a wish list written by industry of the pony they want to be given. It's all about them getting the most draconian, invasive measures they can find.

It isn't an objective document in any way at all, and only the US pretends it is.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about a year ago | (#42604945)

Yay Canada. You know you're doing something right when the world love's you and you constantly thwart US stupidity.

Unfortunately, political apathy is destroying our environment, and greed and debt are eradicating the values that made us proud in the past. :(

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (1)

Phrogman (80473) | about a year ago | (#42610157)

Oh we are leading the way in political apathy with regards to the environment as well! Prime Minister Harper doesn't believe in environmentalism and is doing his best to eradicate all environmental groups in Canada, pass laws that remove environmental protection from 95% of Canada's waterways, and push through massive pipeline projects despite citizen's concerns or the objections of the indigenous peoples who live on the lands those pipes will cross.
If there is a way to fuck up the world's environment, sell ownership of Canada's natural resources to foreign companies, or screw over the public in favour of large corporations, private interests or to curry favour with the US - Steven Harper is your man.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42612377)

Not to mention selling the rest of our resources to China - and allow them to sue us when we decide we don't like it.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about a year ago | (#42612787)

Um, you do know that's pretty much the same deal Canada gets into with any country right? Since the beginning of Canada it's been, 'here take these resources, and just give me a moment to bend over.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about a year ago | (#42612769)

Please don't put misinformation like removing environmental protections from waterways into your rants. Using lies to get a reaction just increases apathy, as it becomes a stupid play ground battle like all of canadian politics.

The truth will set you free, spreading lies and disinformation will get you nowhere. I can't even bother to check whether any of your other claims are true, and why bother, you've already lied.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (1)

Phrogman (80473) | about a year ago | (#42644037)

Well read this then, and other articles like it:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/10/18/pol-navigable-waters-protection-budget-bill.html [www.cbc.ca]

or:
http://o.canada.com/2012/10/29/after-federal-changes-to-waterways-rules-89-per-cent-of-protected-lakes-lap-on-conservative-shores/ [canada.com]

The changes to the Navigable Waters Protection act (which is almost as old as Canada) have been changed in bill C-45, so that a huge majority of Canadian lakes and Rivers will no longer have environmental protection. Perhaps coincidently, 89% of those lakes and rivers that will STILL have protection under the new changes, are in Conservative Ridings.

"Bill C-45 would mean tens of thousands of lakes and rivers will no longer be covered by the NWPA, leaving protection for just 97 lakes, 62 rivers and the three oceans." http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/letters-to-the-editor/bill-c-45-will-do-away-with-protection-for-waterways-11313.html [lethbridgeherald.com]

Now who is spreading disinformation? Is it you for denying that anything is wrong?

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about a year ago | (#42644177)

You know what? Try actually reading the bill, like I did, it's very enlightening.

Let me spell out the basics for you. It's called the Navigable Waters Protection Act. It protects Navigable Waters, that is waterways which can be navigated. There are no environmental protections in the act, it's concern is with keeping waterways navigable by restricting obstructions.

Yes, a large majority of lakes where rich conservatives live are still protected by this act. That doesn't mean that there is any more environmental protection for their lakes. What it means is that when rich cottage owner wants to build a dock out onto the water, he'll have to go through a hell of a lot of red tape. Now, even though the cottage owner who lives on a lake no longer covered by the NWPA doesn't have to go through all the red tape to build a dock, he still has to follow all the environmental water protection acts. Misinformation like this is what builds voter apathy.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604987)

"You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists".

Being a team player to the US means doing whatever is asked without question.

Fuck you.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42605119)

You know, if the US weren't so actively and obviously trying to make enemies all over the world, maybe they wouldn't have so many of them.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42605193)

about 15 years ago canada wanted to decriminalize marijuana. the americans threatened canada with sanctions and closing the most open border in the world, and accused canada of "not being a team player". Funny how a country that claims to be most democratic and free country in the world uses dictatorial tactics when it comes to other countries right to decide what they want for themselves.What is so infuriating and hypocritical is that today america has at least 15 states which have basically legalized marijuana, where u dont have to go to a "drug pusher" to buy pot. And now canada has a conservative gov. that wont even consider decriminalization.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year ago | (#42613111)

Well, there's often a big difference between what is claimed and what is real.

Re:And in other completely unrelated news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42609959)

Canada was also mean to me in the playgound at recess.

Canada about to be invaded (5, Funny)

CanadianRealist (1258974) | about a year ago | (#42604431)

I'm just waiting for the declaration from the US that Canada has joined the "axis of evil".

OMG, we* have a nuclear program! And oil!
* see username

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

arth1 (260657) | about a year ago | (#42604567)

CanadianRealist (1258974) wrote:

OMG, we* have a nuclear program! And oil!
* see username

What does the G in OMG stand for if you're a Canadian realist? Geese?

Re:Canada about to be invaded (2)

RobbieCrash (834439) | about a year ago | (#42604673)

You need to read more about Canadian mythology. It means Oh My Gockey.

Gockey being the ancient deity that gave up his immortality to become the holiest game: Hockey.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (2)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year ago | (#42604779)

You need to read more about Canadian mythology. It means Oh My Gockey.

Gockey being the ancient deity that gave up his immortality to become the holiest game: Hockey.

My favorite Gockey story is the part about Tim Horton building the CN tower eh?

Re:Canada about to be invaded (2)

RobbieCrash (834439) | about a year ago | (#42604867)

Something may have got lost in translation, it's only part of Tim Horton that built the CN Tower. It was also less building than it was being.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year ago | (#42607127)

Something may have got lost in translation, it's only part of Tim Horton that built the CN Tower. It was also less building than it was being.

Revisionist!

Re:Canada about to be invaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42607245)

Exactly! How do you think they get the holes in the donuts?!

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year ago | (#42605571)

Oh yeah, I love Canadian mythology:
"And then the Mountie did gaze upon the loon, and having sneaketh upon it, slit its throat with a knife, which stained his furs red. He then returneth to Moose Jaw, where the onlookers decreed that from this day forth all Mounties would wear red shirts. And in honor of the loon, which hath given its life for this great marker, all currency would bear its visage as the Mountie saw it."

Re:Canada about to be invaded (2)

Zephyn (415698) | about a year ago | (#42604705)

CanadianRealist (1258974) wrote:

OMG, we* have a nuclear program! And oil!
* see username

What does the G in OMG stand for if you're a Canadian realist? Geese?

Goaltender.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (3, Interesting)

CanadianRealist (1258974) | about a year ago | (#42604761)

The G stands for Goodness, you know what nice people we are.

And in this case goodness as in not just bowing to the US who are bowing to their corporate overlords.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604879)

CanadianRealist (1258974) wrote:

OMG, we* have a nuclear program! And oil!
* see username

What does the G in OMG stand for if you're a Canadian realist? Geese?

I would think it stands for "Oh My Gosh".

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#42605481)

What does the G in OMG stand for if you're a Canadian realist?

What does it stand for if you're an American or a British realist? It's the same thing.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

arth1 (260657) | about a year ago | (#42606069)

What does it stand for if you're an American or a British realist? It's the same thing.

US: Oh my Georgia
GB: Oh my Guernsey
Canada: Oh my ... Guelph?

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

sribe (304414) | about a year ago | (#42605091)

I'm just waiting for the declaration from the US that Canada has joined the "axis of evil".

That'll never happen. You're too close; we'll just annex you ;-)

Re:Canada about to be invaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42605987)

War, war never changes...

Re:Canada about to be invaded (2)

Minwee (522556) | about a year ago | (#42606327)

That'll never happen. You're too close; we'll just annex you ;-)

It's too late for that. Just look at how many Tim Horton's have popped up inside what used to be the north-eastern USA.

Canada has been annexing the USA bit by bit for years, and the only weapons they needed to do it were Tim-bits and the fearsome Double-Double.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

sribe (304414) | about a year ago | (#42606355)

Canada has been annexing the USA bit by bit for years, and the only weapons they needed to do it were Tim-bits and the fearsome Double-Double.

So I guess WWIII will start when the Canadian invasion collides with the Mexican invasion in the middle?

Re:Canada about to be invaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42608729)

That'll never happen. You're too close; we'll just annex you ;-)

It's too late for that. Just look at how many Tim Horton's have popped up inside what used to be the north-eastern USA.

Canada has been annexing the USA Timbit by Timbit (FTFY) for years, and the only weapons they needed to do it were Tim-bits and the fearsome Double-Double.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42608617)

Canadian rail bought up the biggest US train company. it is not just donuts shops. They own infrastructure too. Canadians have more guns per person, its USSR like cold up there, and they actually EXPORT stuff in their economy --which is not imploding BTW. Plus Canada kicked the USA's butt in the past. Its citizens are better educated, more healthy, more sane.... Many of them live in the USA and look like everybody else; their accent is actually just a parody they don't really have one... Also Canadians have more to lose being #1 or #2 nation on earth for decades while the USA has been on a trend towards the bottom of the 1st world nations during that time. To them, going down to US level would be worse than Americans giving up TV... losing either would cause everybody to get violent.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

jkiller (1030766) | about a year ago | (#42605157)

Right. Exactly. But more likely this will last as long as it takes for the US to say "Oh, remember that money we were going to lend you, or those resources you needed from us or that blah blah blah trade we were going to do...???? Well, how about we get that data first." Effect: US gets data.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year ago | (#42605437)

Currently, with US economy going as it is, it is more likely that they will borrow money than lend it.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (1)

Bota (968795) | about a year ago | (#42607219)

I would like to see some citations of Canada buying any 'resources' from the loonies (cwutididthar?) down south. Last I checked. the USA generally buys oil, water, electricity, meat, grain, and lumber from up north, not the other way around. You stopped being a an exporter of resources many many moons ago.

Re:Canada about to be invaded (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42608653)

I'm just waiting for the declaration from the US that Canada has joined the "axis of evil".

OMG, we* have a nuclear program! And oil!

* see username

And a considerably-sized Muslim population which grows each year. Canada will surely be "The Axis of Evil" since the country sits atop Fortress Amerika better know as Empire Amerika. Thomas Jefferson would declare the current Administration to be a hostile occupying force.

I think there is something on it... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604565)

Search and seizure needs to be for a specific item or copyright. You just can't say I want the hard drive because we think there is something on it. Now if it was deemed a proceeds of crime then anything can be taken.

The Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42604843)

By duplicating the hard drives, the Canadian ISP/administrator/whomever would be engaging in (alleged) copyright infringement!

Re:The Irony (2)

mumblestheclown (569987) | about a year ago | (#42605275)

No, they wouldn't.

For all the talk of copyright on slashdot and elsewhere on the web, I continue to be shocked and underwhelmed by the basic ignorance people have about it.

Re:The Irony (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year ago | (#42613169)

Nothing "alleged" about it. If they are copying people's files without permission, they are engaging in copyright infringement. Perhaps the law has some legal twist to the definition of common words that would mean this isn't legally true, but it would be true under the normal common meanings of the words.

N.B.: Even if the items were put on the hard drive by the creators, this would not change things...unless those creator gave permission. (And, IIRC, the permission needs to be in writing.) And whenever you write a note, you own the copyright to that note.

What is alleged is that some of the files infringed copyright when they were copied to the hard disk in the first place. Which is a different, though related, matter.

US thinks it is ruler of world (4, Insightful)

danbuter (2019760) | about a year ago | (#42605253)

I love living in the US, but our government has been on a massive powertrip for decades now. It really needs to be reigned in.

Re:US thinks it is ruler of world (1)

Ogi_UnixNut (916982) | about a year ago | (#42605725)

Unfortunately, the only way the world will reign the US in is:

1) World war 3, which would be a massive clusterfuck that probably annihilates the human race.
2) We wait until, like Rome before it, the empire collapses under its own weight.

So far, it looks like we are going with 2, and the financial collapse of the last few years might be the beginning. Unfortunately the US will take the rest of the world with it, so we'll end up in a clusterfuck anyway, but at least it will be slower and less violent (at least initially)

Re:US thinks it is ruler of world (2)

citizenr (871508) | about a year ago | (#42609325)

Unfortunately, the only way the world will reign the US in is:

1) World war 3, which would be a massive clusterfuck that probably annihilates the human race.
2) We wait until, like Rome before it, the empire collapses under its own weight.

3) Civil war.

Re:US thinks it is ruler of world (1)

Ogi_UnixNut (916982) | about a year ago | (#42615275)

I would file civil war under 2). Like Rome, empires usually collapse into bickering sides, which can result in a civil war destroying what is left of said empire.

However I don't have my ear close to the US ground, so I really don't know how likely a civil war is to break out before a collapse.

From what I see, there is a lot of noise on one side, yet very little action. While the other side is doing everything it can to restrict the ability to stage an armed revolt (be it via weapon controls, security checkpoints, spying or other means).

How likely is it for a civil war to break out in the US soon (by soon, I mean in the next 10 years)?

Re:US thinks it is ruler of world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42608835)

I love living in the US, but our government has been on a massive powertrip for decades now. It really needs to be reigned in.

You could make amends to the world by simply putting President Barak Hussein Obama in shackles and moving him from the Whitehouse to the cotton fields.

Canadian courts: light at end of the tunnel (4, Informative)

Maow (620678) | about a year ago | (#42605419)

During these past few years, the Canadian court system has been a bit of a light at the end of a long, dark tunnel with regards to this and striking down draconian laws instituted at the federal level.

Just in the past week (part of) the legislation regarding human smuggling was struck down in BC (giving aid to someone attempting to illegally enter the country could be construed as giving legal advice, or even coffee); mandatory sentencing for a guy in Surrey with no priors, but caught with a loaded Glock in a public place also struck down (an unreasonable gap between levels of sentencing, IIRC).

Now if they could just pick up the pace on the election fraud case(s) being heard; we cannot allow these ones to be unresolved through the next election, like the last one involving the Conservative Party of Canada (In & Out scandal).

Well, that turned into more of a rant than I expected.

TL;DR hooray for the Canadian courts.

Typical US Law Enforcement techniques.... (5, Insightful)

erp_consultant (2614861) | about a year ago | (#42606319)

This is how the US authorities go after everything - with massive, overwhelming, completely unnecessary force. Ever see the video of the invasion of Kim's compound? You'd think they were invading a small nation with that army of agents. It's like those cop shows on tv where they burst into some guys house - 10 or 20 or them, armed to the teeth - and all you see is some redneck standing there with no shirt and unarmed.

It's looking more and more to me like the US authorities had a pretty flimsy case with improper search warrants. Now they are trying to get everything they can, thus the "mirror" request. But the Canadian authorities have stuck a finger in the eye of the American justice machine by refusing to just hand over the contents of the entire server, not just what Kim is accused of being involved with.

My prediction is that not only will Kim not get extradited to the US, his lawyers will find a way to get him off the charges. Of course, it will cost him several years of his life and several million dollars. The US government, on the other hand, has virtually unlimited resources (thanks to the taxpayer). Backed up by the greedy Hollywood producers they will continue their campaign of harassment.

Re:Typical US Law Enforcement techniques.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42607035)

This is how the US authorities go after everything - with massive, overwhelming, completely unnecessary force. Ever see the video of the invasion of Kim's compound? You'd think they were invading a small nation with that army of agents. It's like those cop shows on tv where they burst into some guys house - 10 or 20 or them, armed to the teeth - and all you see is some redneck standing there with no shirt and unarmed.

What you dont seem to understand that in reality land its sometimes neccessary to use excessive force. And lets be honest, they didnt actually use force. In law enforcement its called show of force. Meaning they show they have the men, the guns, the gear and willingness to obliterate you in order from it ever coming to that. If some pipsqueak shows up to a meth lab with only a badge and a notebook it wont end well for the officer, but if 12 officers show up brandishing guns the chances of the bad guy actually trying anything is far far less. Thats why officers wear uniforms tailored to make them look bigger than they are, why they wear hats that make them look taller than they are and that bright badge is at eye level with everyone, its all a show of force intended to maintain control through observed authority. They use lots of guys and show off guns because it keeps them safe by intimidation, it keeps them safe by showing they mean business and in turn keeps the bad guys safe as well and innocent bystanders. If you think 2 guys in blue jeans and pepper spray are going to do a drug raid youre a retard.

And that redneck with no shirt was shown on tv because they got him unprepared which is exactly the point. What do you think cops should call criminals and give them a hour warning they are coming to bust him? Or wait till he is in the middle of some big deal where the potential for his friends and guns being there? If you do youre stupid, its safer for the officers and the suspect if they catch him at his weakest to ensure the least potential for a bad situation.

Back to kimdotcom. He has a huge estate with a huge house and lots of land, he knows he is doing things considered illegal, he knows the US government is gunning for him and he has a ton of money. From a strategic perspective you dont want to go there with 3 guys and no guns because he has the money to have hired guns or guns himself and you cant effectively clear a freaking mansion in a acceptable amount of time with 3 guys. And again, its a high profile case so yeah they show off a little to say "If you mess up we mean business" its a observed warning to others as well to discourage illegal acts.

You need to grow up and realize how the world works and that governments and police arent insane gunmen out to get everyone. If you dont do bad things then you will never need even to think about them, thats the real world.

Re:Typical US Law Enforcement techniques.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42607539)

Or you know you could use a brain instead of the immediate assumption because the "government" or the "police" are involved that whatever they are doing is justified.

Absolute faith in authoritarianism isn't going to win you a gold star and it won't necessarily keep you from "even needing to think about them", that's the real world.

You realize that Megaupload responded to DMCA requests and the actual evidence that was being used to justify this raid were files that the US government had specifically requested Megaupload's help with tracking down some of Mega's users that were infringing for a previous case the US was prosecuting? Then they turn around and use those same files to say Mega in violation of US copyright law..because they were preserving those files. Of course the US gov claims there was no written instructions that told them to retain those specific files, which is irrelevant. They knew it the files were related to their previous case and could have asked Mega to get rid of them if they were done with their previous prosecution.. but they never did.

US DOJ did not entrap megaupload the agency says [csoonline.com]

Re:Typical US Law Enforcement techniques.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42609519)

hahahahaha. Haha. Ha. hahahahahahahahaha.... oh my. You're cute.

Re:Typical US Law Enforcement techniques.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42611589)

......You need to grow up and realize how the world works and that governments and police arent insane gunmen out to get everyone. If you dont do bad things then you will never need even to think about them, thats the real world.

You have a very faulty view of the world.

Re:Typical US Law Enforcement techniques.... (2)

erp_consultant (2614861) | about a year ago | (#42611669)

"What you dont seem to understand that in reality land its sometimes neccessary to use excessive force." - Yeah, sometimes. But in Dotcom's case he doesn't have any history of violence. He's pirating fucking movies, not cocaine. Now if the guy was a violent criminal or holding hostages or something like that then, sure, bring in the troops.

"And that redneck with no shirt was shown on tv because they got him unprepared which is exactly the point." - No, it's not the point. The point is that the cops were using absurd levels of force against some guy they could have blown over with a feather.

"If you dont do bad things then you will never need even to think about them, thats the real world." - You mean to tell me that cops only go after bad people? That they never make mistakes? That sometimes, under pressure to close a high profile case, innocent people don't get wrongfully convicted? Try telling that to the five people wrongfully convicted in the Central Park Jogger case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_Jogger_case) or any number of other instances of this type.

Maybe you're the one that needs to grow up, son.

Re:Typical US Law Enforcement techniques.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42607905)

I think you're ignoring the fact that if it looks like he's gonna get off the MAFIAA will push for a drone strike. And eventually they'll manage to make it happen. Not that they'll admit it initially, but summarily executing major opponents is clearly on their list of planned escalations.

Re:Typical US Law Enforcement techniques.... (1)

DinDaddy (1168147) | about a year ago | (#42614455)

This is how the US authorities go after everything - with massive, overwhelming, completely unnecessary force. Ever see the video of the invasion of Kim's compound?

Except that was the New Zealand authorities. Acting at the insistence and direction of US authorities to be sure, though.

Re:Typical US Law Enforcement techniques.... (1)

erp_consultant (2614861) | about a year ago | (#42616181)

Indeed it was the NZ authorities. But they were acting in a way that was decidedly more strong armed than NZ authorities would typically use. No doubt due to the US involvement. Back in January, NZ Judge Helen Winkelmann ruled that the search warrant used against Dotcom was illegal. Here is an article --> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/dotcom-search-warrants-ruled-illegal-20120628-214ps.html [smh.com.au]

maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42606989)

Maybe , just maybe an american company should not have started suing Canadians especially using such flimsy evidence and maybe they should be focusing there economy and people rather then imaginary property.

Extra work to create a "mirror image"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42607801)

Wouldn't they want a bit for bit copy rather than a "mirror image"?
Or did they mean ROT13...

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