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Turkey's Science Research Council Stops Publication of Evolution Books

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the jesus-rode-tyrannosaurs dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The Scientific and Technical Research Council of Turkey (TÜBITAK) has put a stop to the publication and sale of all books in its archives that support the theory of evolution, daily Radikal has reported. The books have long been listed as “out of stock” on TÜBTAK's website, but their further publication is now slated to be stopped permanently. Titles by Richard Dawkins, Alan Moorehead, Stephen Jay Gould, Richard Levontin and James Watson are all included in the list of books that will no longer be available to Turkish readers. In early 2009, a huge uproar occurred when the cover story of a publication by TÜBITAK was pulled, reportedly because it focused on Darwin’s theory of evolution."

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Note to myself: (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628549)

Don't hire people from Turkey, Kansas,...

Re:Note to myself: (5, Funny)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628577)

Really. Have you ever been to that town?

Re:Note to myself: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628919)

Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. Heh heh.

Did you find that joke funny? Of couse not, because it's not funny, it's fucking stupid. However, had I just left it alone, the comment would have been scored +3 or higher. This is the state of once-glorious Slashdot's piss-poor sterile humor -- the result of overbearing sissies as mods and editors, and the fascist "flag" system which allows humorless pantywaists to dictate what should and should not be visible and validate.

Well, fuck that. We need to give the voice back to those with true grit. We need to give the voice to fearless people who can think for themselves. We must abolish the flag system and allow girlintraining to post only once every 24 hours. But, most importantly, we need to call for the unbanning of Ethanol-fueled and promote Jocktroll to editor. Who's with me?

Who's fuckin' with me?

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Note to myself: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629337)

Did you find that joke funny? Of couse not, because it's not funny, it's fucking stupid. However, had I just left it alone, the comment would have been scored +3 or higher. This is the state of once-glorious *DING* Slashdot's piss-poor *DING* sterile *DING* humor -- the result of overbearing sissies *DING* as mods and editors, and the fascist *DING* *FZZZZRT*

And that's the sound of the bullshit-o-meter filtering the rest of your post from my head after hitting enough buzzwords and buzzphrases to cause it to just throw up its hands and give up. Nice try, though! I'm sure the vast, Very Important(tm) conspiracy to SILENCE TEH TRUTHZ^W^W^W ban your trolling will be uncovered and exposed to the WORLD^W readers of Slashdot, almost all of which would require truly inhuman amounts of laxatives to make even the first bowel movement regarding your UNJUST IMPRISONMENT^W^W banning! Then all you need is one extra as-yet-unexplained step before you get to Step 3: Profit, and you're set!

Re:Note to myself: (2)

Zephyn (415698) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629387)

Don't hire people from Turkey, Kansas,...

Never heard of that place. How far is it from Topeka?

This is a country that wants in the EU (5, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628555)

Yeah, feel free to reapply in a few centuries.

Actually, don't.

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628641)

Islam has been growing there, this is not unusual thing for Islamic countries.

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (5, Funny)

rainmouse (1784278) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629207)

Islam has been growing there, this is not unusual thing for Islamic countries.

Science flies you to the moon.

Religion flies you into buildings.

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629349)

"Science flies you to the moon."

I thought you needed Nazis for that.

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (5, Insightful)

velvet_stallion (2623191) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628645)

Turkey doesn't seem to mind following behind the world by a couple of centuries. The Ottoman Empire refused to allow the printing press until 1729, but closed it, then reopened it again later in 1784. Same group objected to it as to evolution, the all-knowing theocratic wise men. Religion = Suppression of Thought. Science = Freedom of Thought.

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628761)

That's because they never managed to separate religion from politics.

I'm not sayin religion is bad, but when you lead the country, you can't have two agendas. In this case, it's pretty obvious which won.

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628983)

I'm not sayin religion is bad

Why not?

Yow! (1)

Un pobre guey (593801) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629361)

Zowie! Modded as troll! And this isn't even Turkey!

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (4, Insightful)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628985)

they never managed to separate religion from politics

Did they even try?

I'm not sayin religion is bad

Then I will. Religion exists because lights in the sky go boom and it doesn't rain when you want it to and things happen you can't understand.

Guess what, today we can understand those things and so religion is quite literally at odds with modern life. Sure we dress it up and ignore the ugly parts 'we' don't like but then somebody else decides, hey smiting neighbors is a good thing and justifies it with the Bible or whatever your religious source is.

If it ain't based on cold hard facts it has no business governing anyone other than the individual who believes it.

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629073)

That's not very democratic. What if the majority believes the Flying Spaghetti Monster [wikipedia.org] created everything?

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629347)

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (5, Informative)

gary_7vn (1193821) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629307)

Did they even try? Well, yeah. "In the years following 1926, Mustafa Kemal introduced a radical departure from previous reformations established by the Ottoman Empire.[73] For the first time in history, Islamic law was separated from secular law, and restricted to matters of religion.[73] Mustafa Kemal said “ We must liberate our concepts of justice, our laws and our legal institutions from the bonds which, even though they are incompatible with the needs of our century, still hold a tight grip on us.[74] ” On 1 March 1926, the Turkish penal code was passed. It was modelled after the Italian Penal Code. On 4 October 1926, Islamic courts were closed. Establishing the civic law needed time, so Mustafa Kemal delayed the inclusion of the principle of laïcité until 5 February 1937. Ottoman practice discouraged social interaction between men and women in keeping with Islamic practice of sex segregation. Mustafa Kemal began developing social reforms very early, as was evident in his personal journal. He and his staff discussed issues like abolishing the veiling of women and the integration of women into the outside world. The clue on how he was planning to tackle the issue was stated in his journal on November 1915; “ The social change can come by (1) educating capable mothers who are knowledgeable about life; (2) giving freedom to women; (3) a man can change his morals, thoughts, and feelings by leading a common life with a woman; as there is an inborn tendency towards the attraction of mutual affection.[75] ” Mustafa Kemal needed a new civil code to establish his second major step of giving freedom to women. The first part was the education of girls and was established with the unification of education. On 4 October 1926, the new Turkish civil code passed. It was modelled after the Swiss Civil Code." Wiki

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (0)

gary_7vn (1193821) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629317)

America is almost as bad on teaching evolution.

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629363)

Doesn't live there, fortunately.

Have you paid ANY attention to Turkish politics? (5, Informative)

billstewart (78916) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629385)

Turkey's government was radically secular for close to a century, since Kemal Ataturk's nationalists kicked out the Allies, Sultanate, and Caliphate after the WW I fall of the Ottoman Empire. They were fairly aggressive about it - requiring western-style clothing, banning fezzes, and suppressing non-Turkish cultures (such as the Kurds), enforcing use of a Latin-based alphabet instead of Arabic alphabet (and too bad for you if your name used not-officially-Turkish letters.) They did strongly push education of women, banned headscarves even for women who wanted to wear them, and let women vote (at least in the years they were paying attention to votes.) They've even had women as Prime Minister. Islam was still permitted as a religion, and was still the most common religion, but the government was not Islamic.

They stayed secular until a few years ago when more Islamists got elected to Parliament, but have loosened up since then.

I don't think they want in anymore (4, Interesting)

swb (14022) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628697)

I think they're less enthusiastic about joining than they used to be.

Turkey's been doing relatively well economically, especially relative to the general economic drain-circling that the EU has been experiencing for the last couple of years and I don't see them as eager to join in the mess that the Euro Zone has become.

What they seem more interested in is regaining their Ottoman Empire regional standing. I keep waiting for them to say "enough" and intervene in Syria, allowing them to recreate some of the Ottoman empire. Lebanon would fall into that orbit very quickly in the absence of Syrian influence.

Re:I don't think they want in anymore (5, Informative)

danlip (737336) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629039)

EU != Eurozone. There are 27 countries in the EU, and only 17 in the Eurozone. The mess you are describing is specific to the Eurozone (and the fact that countries in it can't print their own money).

Re:I don't think they want in anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629189)

I think Syria needs fixing and Turkey might be the cure. There is nothing remotely related to the Ottoman empire here. Unless you also believe Iraq is now a US state.

Re:I don't think they want in anymore (2, Insightful)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629397)

It does run both ways.

For years the EU has been putting up barriers and slowing down the processes that has stalled the talked for the better part of a decade. This ranges from petty (Greece & Cyprus) to cheap political grandstanding (Islamophobia, cheap labor). Would you want to join a club where the petty internal politics didn’t want you? And this was before the financial crisis.

Personally, I think if Turkey had been allowed to join this would have cemented Turkey into a secular block allowing them to be a bridge between Europe and the Middle East.

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (1)

stressclq (881842) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628757)

Assuming the same speed of civilization, we'll be there in 570 years, but don't hold your breath..

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629017)

Speaking of, when can we kick Texas out of the Union?

Re:This is a country that wants in the EU (3, Insightful)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629169)

I'm from Texas. It's OK with me. Isn't there some paperwork we have to sign?

Scientific and Technical Research Council (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628591)

Scientific and Technical Research Council

Ministry of Truth

Re:Scientific and Technical Research Council (1)

dgatwood (11270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628719)

Indeed. I hear that many true things come out of it.

Re:Scientific and Technical Research Council (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629255)

House Intelligence Committee

Alan Moorehead (1)

L1mewater (557442) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628603)

How are these children supposed to get a complete science education if they don't include Swamp Thing?

Sad day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628605)

Because it's called the freakin' 'science state council' as in science not religion.

goodbye future (1)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628609)

The sad part is, in a few decades when the country is an impoverished backwards mess nobody will have much sympathy. They did it to themselves.

Re:goodbye future (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628637)

in a few decades when the country is an impoverished backwards mess

What do you mean "when"?

Re:goodbye future (5, Interesting)

similar_name (1164087) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628809)

The really sad part is that they will blame it on secularism. There will be calls for more religion.

Re:goodbye future (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628907)

The sad part is, in a few decades when the country is an impoverished backwards mess nobody will have much sympathy.

Then when the country starts breeding western-hating under-educated terrorist morons everyone in the west will wring their hands and wonder how it could have possibly happened.

Re:goodbye future (1)

Servaas (1050156) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629011)

it will have happened because their burning the books that are suppose to educate them.

Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standout (4, Insightful)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628617)

Wow, I thought the US was the only stand-out / weird-country with anti-evolution nuts in power.

I guess there are other countries in this unfortunate "club"

If you don't want to believe in it (or that it's even possible) then fine... believe in whatever you want.

But stop trying to prevent other people from learning it. Please. And please stop trying to pass religion off as science... such as those museums that say Adam rode on a dinosaur, and that dinosaurs were vegens until the apple incident.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628689)

its not just the US - its any country where the truly crazy religious gain some measure of power. They're so threatened that science contradicts the edicts of their god that they have to suppress the science.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (4, Insightful)

medv4380 (1604309) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628797)

Incorrect. Only countries where a religious group believes that evolution is in opposition to their religion does that happen. In India 85% [britishcouncil.org] believe that Evolution is compatible with their religious beliefs, and I wouldn't consider Hindus to be any less crazy than any other religion out there.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (5, Insightful)

DdJ (10790) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628819)

Are you kidding? You just presented direct evidence that they're less crazy than other religions.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628899)

Just because what you believe is true, doesn't make you not crazy.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (1)

danlip (737336) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628987)

That evidence only shows that they are less crazy regarding evolution. There are plenty of other things to be crazy about, and there are plenty of Hindu extremists.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (5, Insightful)

medv4380 (1604309) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629029)

I think the whole Untouchable and Cast System keeps them firmly in the "They're Just As Crazy as Everyone Else" territory. Regardless of their position on Evolution.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (3, Informative)

Conchobair (1648793) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629123)

Not the mention the fact that they teach evolution in Catholic schools.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (4, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628705)

Wow, I thought the US was the only stand-out / weird-country with anti-evolution nuts in power.

The US is just the squeakiest wheel, because we have an open press and debate our problems for the whole world to see. I can easily believe other countries have plenty of dirty laundry and just keep it to themselves.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628957)

Actually, it's more a matter of perspective. While it might seem that the whole world is following the open debate about evolution vs. creationism from the US point of view, actually, most of the world isn't.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629221)

Actually, it's more a matter of perspective. While it might seem that the whole world is following the open debate about evolution vs. creationism from the US point of view, actually, most of the world isn't.

I don't think he was limiting his comment to just evolution. Lots of countries have lots of dirty laundry in lots of areas. The US has an open press and a massive presence on the Internet, plus a significant fraction of total world population and a disproportionate influence over the world. Hence, it's laundry gets aired very openly.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (2, Insightful)

sribe (304414) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628715)

Wow, I thought the US was the only stand-out / weird-country with anti-evolution nuts in power.

ARE YOU KIDDING? Please tell us you were kidding, that you're not *that* provincial, that you believe Western rationalism really is the norm throughout the entire world, including Muslim countries and Africa?

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (5, Informative)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628951)

Please tell us you were kidding, that you're not *that* provincial, that you believe Western rationalism really is the norm throughout the entire world, including Muslim countries and Africa?

Over the years I've noticed this is a pretty common theme on Slashdot - You could post a story about some backwater, torture-filled nation lead by some despotic religious zealot and 26 replies will immediately say "Yeah, but the USA is TEN TIMES WORSE!"

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (0)

Feyshtey (1523799) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628767)

So, "believe in whatever you want", but dont talk to anyone else about it.

How is it there are so many people ignorant of their own hypocrisy? Why is it perfectly fine for you to demand that you be able to preach from your atheistic pulpit, but a christian, or a jew, or a muslim is a ridiculous zealot for the same?

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (4, Insightful)

similar_name (1164087) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628863)

No one is trying to teach evolution in church. Plenty try to teach religion in science class. How do so many people not understand the difference?

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628869)

He didn't say "don't talk to anyone else about it" you retarded religious nut, he said "don't prevent them from learning about it." Please, do everyone a favor and kill yourself now.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628939)

I said as a SCIENCE. I think public schools SHOULD have a separate class to learn the beliefs of other cultures... if for no other reason than to give everyone a better understanding of everyone else. But such a class would be sociology.

Some schools here want creationism thought as a science. As in, squeeze it in between Astronomy and Physics. But... what they do does not follow any method of the scientific method nor to they even give anything close to scientific for the theory. The "facts" they use are from the bible... because *obviously* the bible is right so anything based on it is therefore right. That's NOT science.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629183)

The christian/jew/muslim can preach from THEIR pulpit...i.e. church.

Education is not religion and isn't treated as such. We don't force religion on anyone because it doesn't help you. Forcing an education on you DOES help you....and the rest of us who would have to support your sorry ignorant ass.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (4, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628807)

"I don't want to live on this planet any more."

I just don't get it. How are we not animals? How do we not recognize the extreme similarities between us and our animal cousins? The theory of evolution isn't "a fact" but it is a general truth which is evolving and growing as our understanding grows. And frankly, some things are just obvious... painfully obvious. Ever see those growing fetus diagrams where you can't tell if it's human or something else because we ALL start off looking the same?

Sorry, but just no.

And when people work so hard to deny, hide and destroy information which is contrary to their beliefs surely don't understand the nature of learning, understanding or of thought. I guarantee you that even if by some bizarre reality, all information about our animal nature and the notion of evolution vanished from the earth in a flash, people would STILL arrive at this obvious conclusion just exactly as people all over the world at different times came to realize that "air" has mass.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (2)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628967)

"I don't want to live on this planet any more."

That opening quote is from one of my favorite Futurama episodes. And thus well chosen.

I believe that Evolution is right, or at least as right as we can ever be.

But if someone is strong in their beliefs of... well.. however the earth and man came about. I'm not going to trounce on their rights to believe it.

But it's sad when someone tries to stifle science, in any form, because it goes against something they believe.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (3, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629013)

Bad tempered crazy Sky God is going to zap you with a thunderbolt for saying that.

Or not....

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629205)

The hilarious part, at least in the US, is that the bible thumpers are 'generally' the most vocal 'free market less gubmint' types.

And yet they deny evolution which the most totally 'free market' we know of. It's literally kill or be killed, survive, adapt or die.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628965)

...and that dinosaurs were vegens until the apple incident.

Don't you dare drag vegans into this.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629001)

:-)

But seriously: according to the people that try to convince me that the christian-bible-creation thing is right... they say that dinosaurs were all herbivores until Eve+Adam ate the apple.

Because, you know, the T-Rex and such had sharp meat-eating teeth just for show. SUUUURE

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629053)

I clicked submit too soon.

About the SUUURE thing... fine... i don't believe it. But honestly, I don't try to convince anyone evolution is right as I believe everyone should just chill and believe what they want. The problem is, said person would not stop trying to convince me HE was right. Until I walk away.

That, and he was trying to use science to explain the teeth thing that even I know was not science.

Re:Wow, I thought we (the US) was the only standou (5, Interesting)

jdbuz (962721) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629315)

Turkey is the perfect reflection of the US, only switch Muslim for Christian.

As a green-eyed American Caucasian, when I started my 6 month consulting gig in Istanbul in 2007-2008 I was kinda scared at first. I saw all these minarets poking up from mosques everywhere, heard the call to prayer a few times each day, and folks back home were pushing a law that would officially say Turkey committed genocide. But then I started working with my technical counter parts and guess what? There was the quiet guy, there was the hilarious guy (we're still friends), there was the unbelievably smart guy (still the best Oracle consultant I've ever worked with), there was the hot girl, there was the guy who talked my ear off about how backwards he thought Muslims were, and there was the kindhearted Muslim guy who made sure I never ate lunch alone. Every archetype that I knew from the US was represented. I found them brilliant and extremely motivated. And I even saw a lot of women in high level jobs wearing fashionable clothes.

Then I got to know the city, saw some of the music scene, a little of the club scene, and soaked up some of the history. They have their own George Washington named Mustafa Kemal Atatürk who in 1923 established the Republic of Turkey, switched them from Arabic script to Western European (making my job of typing on their keyboards much easier!), and separated Mosque from State.

But exactly like in the US the religious groups find ways to work their agenda into the secular government. For example, you can't buy pork. Why? Because from political pressure it was found "unhealthy" and one by one the farms were shutdown until there were none. There's lots of these examples, including the article to which we're responding. Once my eyes got adjusted I almost felt as if I were in the US, even the mosques I realized were no more numerous than our churches.

Their economy is far stronger than Romania, Greece, Croatia, Hungary, and Portugal, all members of the European Union, and the EU would do well to admit them. Turkey is the litmus test for Muslims and Christians. They are us and we are them. If we can make it work there I'm afraid we won't make it together anywhere.

Meanwhile... (1, Flamebait)

Creedo (548980) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628627)

Upon hearing this, Bobby Jindal and Sam Brownback both started looking for ways to implement this in their states.

Ugh (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628651)

I'm an American citizen of Turkish ancestry, and the fact that the US and Turkey come in at 49 and 50 of a list of 50 western nations in terms of percentage of population that believe in evolution upsets me to no end. When Erdogan and his cronies took over the first thing they did was jail all the generals. Why? Because the military always would step in and keep the country from getting too Islamic. Well the US decided to back Erdogan when he did this and now look whats happening, one more slippery step towards Turkey becoming a theocracy.

Re:Ugh (2)

swb (14022) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628993)

Considering the power the military has traditionally had, what kept them from doing this early or even late in the Erdogan era?

I'm familiar (at least from what I read in the NY Times...) with the jailing of the military officers (most ex-military from what I read) on somewhat shaky grounds, but I would think that if the active duty military wanted to depose him, they would easily as the vast majority of the officer corps and probably most senior enlisted had likely already been vetted for their secularism a long time ago.

You don't build that kind of power base over the past 75 years just to have a bunch of politicians dismantle it in 5 years.

What I don't know is whether the past military putsches had been truly directed by the active duty military in the actual cause of secularism or if that was mostly window dressing and they had actually been directed by a clique of ex-military with lucrative state contracts and influence who were worried about losing said influence and financial interests, and the active duty forces went along with it more than leading it.

genetic algorithms (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628653)

We have genetic algoritms ffs! you can pretty much watch evolution happening in a simulation. Besides, it's not like you can't get this information on the web. idiots!

So much for Turkey being a secular state (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628655)

Turkey is sliding back to the caveman era. Their status as a secular state is being eroded gradually. It won't be long before The Muslim Brotherhood or similar emergent group will agitate for power and want to impose sharia law. A pity, as for years Turkey was beginning to look like an enlightened nation. Kamal Ataturk is spinning in his grave.

Wow (5, Funny)

grasshoppa (657393) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628661)

What a backwards country, to be so afraid of science as to effectively censor it.

Glad I live in 'merica. FUCK YA!

Re:Wow (2)

silviuc (676999) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628995)

Actually the US gvt. actively supports what the current prime-minister of Turkey does. They also actively supported the egyptian dictator until millions of people raised up and took back their country from him, Your gvt. seems to make a lot of bad calls supporting all kinds of bad people. Bin Laden was one of them for f's sake. Yeah, you have a lot to be proud of man.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629055)

The irony...

Re:Wow (1, Informative)

grasshoppa (657393) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629125)

In case anyone missed it, that was loaded with irony.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629227)

There is little hope for a nation that backward. It is about like declaring that water never runs down hill. Making statements of backward beliefs will not help other nations to take Turkey seriously.

Boko Haram (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628671)

Come on... there should be no surprises - islam is not that different from christianity in this matter. I wonder why it took so long to come up with this idea in muslim world.

sad day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628673)

because it's called the freakin' science council, not religion council...

We need a new theory... (1)

Genda (560240) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628707)

It needs to cover both evolution and devolution.

By the way, we need to request that Turkey give us all their wheels and sources of fire in exchange for pretty stones we'll happily provide them. When they ask why, we tell to just ask us again in 20 years, if they still can.

It's about time... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628741)

that the hypothesis of evolution was held to the standards of testing that science is held to.

Re:It's about time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628803)

0/10. Swing and a miss!

Re:It's about time... (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629077)

Just wait around a few billion years.

Not being fully re-creatable in the lab (during a lifetime) is not a reason to ban an idea.

You can lead a horticulture (3, Funny)

kawabago (551139) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628755)

but you can't make her think. Dorothy Parker

On all proclamations of 'backwards muslims' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628769)

Before you go ranting about the backwardness of other countries, think about it. I am pretty sure, having lived for a long time in both countries, that the anti-evolution sentiment is much stronger in the star spangled nation.

If you don't believe what I believe (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628775)

You are obviously weak and worthless and a lesser person if you do not believe exactly what I believe happened millions and millions of years ago.

Not belief, science is testable hypothesis (4, Informative)

RichMan (8097) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628857)

Belief has nothing to do with science. All science is testable, or it is not science.

a) genetic inheritance is observable in a lab if you have a couple of weeks and handful of flies
b) genetic inheritance and mortality leads to evolution
c) we have fossil records to support (b) occured in the past

All testable against the null hypothesis. So it is clear science.

Re:If you don't believe what I believe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629201)

Millions?

But nothing is more than 6000 years old!

good riddance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42628791)

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Take Darwin with you too.

Gravity is only a law, should we ban that too? (1)

Unknown1337 (2697703) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628867)

Whether you believe all aspects of evolution or that it applies to humans aside, the concept of moving through stages as an entire species is well documented as fact. Convergence and divergence of different types of birds around the world should be plenty to validate that the theory is probably a good one. Basically the country has decided their narrow minded view is the right one and the entire population is too stupid to arrive at a sane conclusion of their own.

Re:Gravity is only a law, should we ban that too? (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628905)

Tax breaks for those falling up?

Ebooks (3, Insightful)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#42628903)

I suspect that Richard Dawkins & co. may be more than willing to distribute Turkish translations of their books on their own initiative. ;-) Perhaps even for free, it's not such a big market, and Haharun Hahayaya needs some counterweight anyway.

A common theme.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629021)

When will people learn that just because you destroy or burn or ban a book, it doesn't make the contents of that book less true.

Why did Constantinople get the works? (3, Funny)

zawarski (1381571) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629025)

Thats nobodies business but the Turkey's Science Research Council .

They know where dogs come from dont they? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629049)

I just dont know where anti-evolution people come from. All dog breeds come from human selective breeding. much of it very recently, within the last 200 years, there are pictures of the process for crying out loud.

Evolution is selective breeding, where the environment does the selection. None of that is debatable.

They say you can't argue with stupid. (3, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629089)

I fear there will be fewer and fewer people to argue with and it won't be a good thing.

and just like that... (2, Insightful)

rastoboy29 (807168) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629121)

the Scientific and Technical Research Council of Turkey (TÃoeBITAK) lost all international credibility with other technical and scientific organizations.

Wrong name (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629131)

It's the ANTI-Scientific and Technical Research Council of Turkey. Oh, and good luck with that EU membership thing.

ignorance is bliss (1)

letherial (1302031) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629133)

SHhhhhhh...dont tell them the world is round, im afraid they could not handle it at this delicate time.

Greater Middle East Initiative and Moderate Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629329)

This is just promoted by US. Take a look at the these initiatives. The current AKP government is promoting New World Order and they are expressing it freelly. I started to believe NWO is just going back to dark ages again. The goal of us is creating US version of Turkology to conquer the Eurosian oil and gas field and slow down the spread of CIS countries. (Common wealth of independent states)

My opinion is there will be a civil war in Turkey. Alliance of moderate Islamist and PKK Kurds whom following the order of the west vs Secular modern Turks that want to stay independent and free just like the last real president JFK said.

My Turkish friends are secular (2)

yayoubetcha (893774) | about a year and a half ago | (#42629357)

I have friends in Turkey. Two doctors my wife and I met when we traveled there 12 years ago. They were secular, but bathed in the culture of Islam. I am sure that they are not happy about repressing science.

When we traveled through Turkey the vast majority of people were very friendly and helpful. This is true with the Muslims I met just a couple months ago in Jordan. However, we could not help but notice as friendly as they were, about 1/2 of the population lived as slaves. One vocal male friendly Muslim simply thought my perspective (science and reason) was so misinformed about the world, he just laughed at the "silly" and very misguided nature of Westerners. So much so, that a debate on the subject would be as convincing as somebody attempting to prove the existence of Odin, Thor, Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy to me. It just aint gonna happen.

As for me, I live in the US where reason and science are held in the highest esteem and totally respected.

‘evolution censor' was denied the next day. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42629391)

This news is from Jan 14. Turkish state science council denied this rumor the next day (Jan 15) and provided some evidence that it's not true. The newspaper published it and did not follow the story anymore.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-state-science-council-denies-evolution-censor.aspx?pageID=238&nID=39102&NewsCatID=374

At least, this fact should be in the summary as well.

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