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Corporate Hackathons: the Fine Line Between Engaging and Exploiting

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the now-announcing-a-hackathon-to-make-me-a-sammich dept.

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New submitter dasacc22 writes "Campbell is inviting developers to hack the kitchen with their recipe API. But wait — the API is private, so first you need to submit an idea. If they like the idea, you'll be given access to develop the app. If they like the app, they may give you some money. Otherwise, you can expect to have an app that connects to an API you no longer have access to. The author of this article covers his recent experiences after engaging with Campbell's Adam Kmiec to try and answer the following: '... my question to software developers out there who are thinking of devoting any real effort to a corporate hackathon like this is: "Why?"'"

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Why? (5, Funny)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | about 2 years ago | (#42634259)

So that Campbell can do to developers what Andy Warhol used to do to his most fervent followers. Use them in new and interesting ways for their own amusement.

Re:Why? (2)

war4peace (1628283) | about 2 years ago | (#42634383)

The answer is on the main page: 50K dollare, and 4x 10K dollars for runner-ups. That's why.
It's like any sport out there: you can either win the big buck or go home with your dick in your hand. It's a fucking competition, that's what it is. Sheesh.

Re:Why? (5, Insightful)

dasacc22 (1830082) | about 2 years ago | (#42634537)

As it was put over on reddit, "Another way to look at this is that if you were to work 3 weeks for 40 hours a week on the app, and have a 1 in 30 chance of winning the $50,000 prize, then your expected value is $13/hour. And that doesn't include the time spent on the initial proposal."

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634735)

That assumes that you're chance is randomly 1 in 30. Take 30 programmers and repeat hundreds of times. Certain ones are going to win more often. A contest doesn't need to appeal to someone well employed or well certified. 1 in 30 means you're looking for the top 3 percent of amateurs interested enough in doing something like this. It's a foot in the door to an industry and possible a year's salary at their current job. $55k when the median income in the U.S. is $26k. Interestingly, even your measly $13/hour is approximately $26k/year. Half the population of the U.S. makes that or less.

that pay is shit in NY, NY where they want your to (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 2 years ago | (#42634925)

that pay is shit in NY, NY where they want your to go at your own cost.

Also what is in the fine print and what are you signing away?

Re:Why? (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#42635725)

"... your expected value is $13/hour."

It's a bit closer to 14, but that's still $14 per grueling, stressful hour.

I don't think $50k is worth the effort. Especially if you have to provide your own food, transportation, lodging, etc.

Re:Why? (1)

war4peace (1628283) | about a year ago | (#42640729)

Yeah and if you were to work 80 hours a week for 3 years, it will be much, MUCH less.
Again, if you're looking at it strictly from money perspective, it might not be worth it. Feel free NOT to participate, then.
Consider this: Snooker players train for years and years and the prizes are simply not worth it if you consider time spent to even have a chance of winning. Same goes for most lesser known sports such as curling and whatnot.
Winning Romanian gymnasts used to receive a few hundred dollars during the communist era. International Olympiad participants (highschool) sometimes pay the trip out of their own pocket. The final prize is sometimes just a "good to have" thing. The feeling of achievement is priceless. For some. Others just stay on the side and make angry comments without moving a muscle.

Your problem is that you see a competition as a chore or a job. Certainly, in such case, the competition does not address to you.

Re:Why? (-1, Troll)

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What's the point of a hackathon, seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634265)

Can someone explain this within the context of the article? It just seems like a co-opted buzzword to me that lost meaning a long time ago.

Re:What's the point of a hackathon, seriously? (1)

Elbereth (58257) | about 2 years ago | (#42635127)

Yeah, seriously. It's like a bunch of buzzwords arranged together in random order. I'm very surprised that they resisted using the buzzword du jour, "crowdsource".

the latest wrinkle on an old scam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634285)

Back in the day companies would run contests where people mailed in answers to "describe what you love most about Campbell's foods, in 250 words or less" and "send in your best recipes that use Campbell's foods". Writing an app - it's the same thing, slightly updated. A big waste of time for everyone except for some executives and marketing guys.

Re:the latest wrinkle on an old scam (1)

Megane (129182) | about 2 years ago | (#42635337)

It's only "the same thing" if you have to first convince them that your recipe is worth looking at before you're even told how to write a recipe in their unique format. Or even what pots and pans you'll be allowed to use.

Re:the latest wrinkle on an old scam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42637503)

The difference might be in the Intellectual Property rights.
If I create a recipe, and send it to Campbell's foods, I can still use the recipe myself, and also send it too others ( at least I've never heard about lawsuits regarding recipe's ).

If you write an app for them, part of the deal might be that you give away your intellectual property rights on it. That means that the code is not yours anymore, so if you derive something from it ( your own code ) , they might sue you.

Re:the latest wrinkle on an old scam (1)

demon93 (197176) | about a year ago | (#42638453)

It's not "might be", it's in the brief:

The best submission will be awarded $25,000* plus a
$25,000 contract to develop the idea into a market-ready
application. Runner(s) up will be offered $10,000* for their
ideas, which could be developed by Campbell in the future.

*Paid by Campbell for ownership of ideas, concepts, code and intellectual property. All winners must sign all documentation required by Campbell.

I wonder what else is contained within "all documentation" that they might require.

What are *YOU* getting out of it? (5, Insightful)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | about 2 years ago | (#42634297)

That's the question to ask. Experience? Fun? Bragging rights? Whatever... if you can't think of anything like that, all you'd be doing is bolster the company's bottom line. Which personally I wouldn't even consider doing unless money was changing hands.

And in this age of IP-madness, check the rules carefully. If you write code for such an event, are you handing over any rights? Would you still have the right to use that code yourself elsewhere? You might expect so - that's not the point. Make sure. Before getting into any agreements, or spending significant effort on it.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (2)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 2 years ago | (#42634363)

And in this age of IP-madness

Man, tell me about it. IPv4 addresses are running out, and adoption of IPv6 is still so damn slow. It's crazy!

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634395)

IPv6 is still so damn slow. It's crazy!

Yeah, but there are proposed algorithms for improving IPv6 routing performance.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42636899)

I see what you did there. You took the acronym IP, which stands for Information Property, and deliberately misinterpreted it as Internet Protocol. How amazingly fucking clever of you. Will you be here all week? Should I try the veal?

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (2)

ZeroPly (881915) | about 2 years ago | (#42634487)

Their soup is overpriced shit that appeals to people too lazy to explore what else is out there. If you fall into that demographic, are somewhat dim-witted, yet somehow have learned the basics of a programming language, this challenge is perfect for you...

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (1)

RedHackTea (2779623) | about 2 years ago | (#42634521)

Yes, I think Amy's is much better. However, nothing beats homemade soup. And really, soup is the easiest thing to make and lasts for a week or two... don't know why you'd buy it anymore.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (3, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | about 2 years ago | (#42634493)

That's the question to ask. Experience? Fun? Bragging rights? Whatever...

Campbell's has been around since 1869. Revenues $8 billion US a year. A company with a global reach and instant brand name recognition in North America. Clients like that do not fall from the sky ---- if you want their attention you are going to have to work for it.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634541)

That's the question to ask. Experience? Fun? Bragging rights? Whatever...

Campbell's has been around since 1869. Revenues $8 billion US a year. A company with a global reach and instant brand name recognition in North America. Clients like that do not fall from the sky ---- if you want their attention you are going to have to work for it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...and RIM used to be the powerhouse of corporate cellular too.

If the era of fast-paced business and new standard of 15 seconds of fame hasn't convinced organizations by now that yesterdays accolades don't mean jack shit anymore, then they deserve to go down on their ship of outdated ignorance.

We won't even discuss the "work hard" comment here, since Campbell's is too fucking lazy to develop internally that they're waiving around chump change to get code monkeys to do it. Or perhaps they are desperate to change their 1869 image and need to pull a marketing stunt like this. Either way, it smells worse than their cheesy soup.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42635235)

Sounds like the corporate equivalent of celebrity worship. Congratulations, you might get noticed by a company that doesn't care about you and will forget you the moment you are out of sight.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (2)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42636203)

Sort of, but look at the website [flurry.com] of any startup [keynote.com] . They all try to list their large corporate customers. Being able to put Campbell's on your website is surely worth something.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (2)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about 2 years ago | (#42635311)

Clients like that do not fall from the sky ---- if you want their attention you are going to have to work for it.

You seem to have software development confused with advertising, and besides, the best advertising agencies have billion dollar companies coming to them, competing for their time. If you want the best, you have to be willing to pay for it.

Contests are scams to find young, hungry people just good enough to produce something useful, but still naive enough not to recognize its true value. As the graphic designers say: say no to spec work. And the typical programmer is nowhere near as poor and hungry as the typical graphic designer.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#42635783)

"... if you want their attention you are going to have to work for it."

I look at it the other way around: if they want MY attention, they can afford to pay for it.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#42635805)

Besides... if you are going to hold your convention (contest, whatever) in New York City, the only people you are going to get are those who don't need the money anyway. You aren't going to get starving young programmers (or many, anyway) to fly to New York and rent a room.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (1)

DavidClarkeHR (2769805) | about 2 years ago | (#42634559)

That's the question to ask. Experience? Fun? Bragging rights? Whatever... if you can't think of anything like that, all you'd be doing is bolster the company's bottom line.

... While you might be bolstering their bottom line, you're gaining experience that makes you a more competitive candidate in the future. It may not pay off immediately, and it may not apply to the majority of established developers, but for a younger programmer? This is an excellent way to gain industry-specific experience - even if you're not selected, and even if your program doesn't work as well as the winner (or work well, period), you have an additional talking point for your interviews, and an additional hook on your resume.

Besides, big business makes money of all their employees. The employees aren't all worth the same (in terms of both function and productivity). What is so fundamentally wrong with a merit-based reward that is open to anyone willing to enter? If you enter for experience, then you get experience - no matter the outcome. Maybe you'll impress someone into offering you a short contract anyways.

If you enter because you need the money ... why not just stick to your full-time job?

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634653)

Yes, potential employers will be impressed with your tale of losing a contest, and your app that doesn't work. These arguments are the same that some try to use to defend spec work (and that's what this is, honestly). Your time would be better spent working on a project (any project that does something) and throwing it up on github. Donate some coding to a non-profit good cause. You're not going to have anything to show for participating in this.

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | about 2 years ago | (#42635743)

Yes, potential employers will be impressed with your tale of losing a contest, and your app that doesn't work. These arguments are the same that some try to use to defend spec work (and that's what this is, honestly).

Yeah, well you'll be laughing out the other side of your face when the market for people with "Campbell's Recipe API" experience explodes, and I have it there on my resume, right beside the "Customise Ronald McDonald's Face Remote Protocol v1.3".

Re:What are *YOU* getting out of it? (1)

DavidClarkeHR (2769805) | about 2 years ago | (#42636255)

Yes, potential employers will be impressed with your tale of losing a contest, and your app that doesn't work. These arguments are the same that some try to use to defend spec work (and that's what this is, honestly).

Yeah, well you'll be laughing out the other side of your face when the market for people with "Campbell's Recipe API" experience explodes, and I have it there on my resume, right beside the "Customise Ronald McDonald's Face Remote Protocol v1.3".

If you're going to list it on your resume like that, then experience isn't the only problem you have :)

Campbell is asking for a hack alright... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634361)

...just not the kind they're asking for with stupid rules of engagement like TFA outlined.

I'd be more interested in hacking their stupid rules and API after listening to that kind of bullshit fine print then actually doing anything they wanted me to do.

come up with the next big thing and win 5,000$ (5, Interesting)

tommeke100 (755660) | about 2 years ago | (#42634397)

...That way we don't have to invest > 1M$ in R&D to do it ourselves!

Bottom line: not worth it (5, Interesting)

lucm (889690) | about 2 years ago | (#42634405)

From a probability point of view, here is the true value of that thing:

(Total prize: $50,000 + $10,000) / (Number of challengers: 30) = $2,000

The access to the API is limited to 3 weeks. This means that what they offer is the privilege of working for $16 per hour as long as you initially provided a good idea for free.

Financially speaking, one is better off working at Mikee Dees for 3 weeks and using the wages to buy lottery tickets (you also get free soft drinks while you work if I'm not mistaken).

Campbell's shows why closed source is bad (3, Insightful)

kawabago (551139) | about 2 years ago | (#42634441)

Campbell is demonstrating exactly why closed source is bad for everyone. Campbell has wasted no one knows how much time and effort creating a library to create and manage recipes then doesn't want anyone to use it, rendering it completely useless. Campbell's could have saved considerable time creating a recipe application instead. No one gains from a library no one can use. Maintaining a library for no one is a waste of resources. Everyone loses in this closed source stupidity created by Campbell's Soup.

Re:Campbell's shows why closed source is bad (2)

Dogtanian (588974) | about 2 years ago | (#42635809)

This isn't really an issue of closed source, it's an issue of pointlessly restricted access. One could quite easily (and still workably) have an open API to a closed source system.

As you say though, spending time creating an API that no-one gets access to really makes little sense- unless one assumes that the API was only ever intended as an excuse and necessary component for a marketing-driven PR campaign. Maybe it does do something useful and they're going to use it internally within the company, but I doubt it. My suspicion is that once this whole thing is over it'll be quickly forgotten about and left to moulder unused on a server somewhere.

Re:Campbell's shows why closed source is bad (1)

bitingduck (810730) | about a year ago | (#42637599)

If you RTFA and download the docs, the API doesn't sound like much. They could probably get someone to hack it together in a week, including sticking a bunch of recipes in a database in some reasonably searchable way. And once you read what they're asking for and start thinking of what you would do in response, it very quickly seems to make more sense to roll your own, as they don't make it sound like the API is backed with a ton of data. It took only a few seconds to come up with a bunch of ideas that would be implementations of what I do anyway when I'm playing "what's for dinner" and don't have ideas.

Re:Campbell's shows why closed source is bad (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | about 2 years ago | (#42636421)

It's not really about closed source Maya, 3ds Max, After Effects, AutoCad all are closed source but they have public APIs that don't change often and that enables 3rd party developers to write plugins for. And many do, and many can monetize it.

Re:Campbell's shows why closed source is bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42636589)

What part of this API is Public exactly? If you RTFA you will find that the API is NOT public but is closed which was the point being made.

unsophisticated ploy for free work (1)

mr.dreadful (758768) | about 2 years ago | (#42634447)

This kind of thing happens to creatives all the time. Designer are asked to submit logos, ad agencies are asked to come up with campaigns, and developers are asked to build software, usually by companies trying to get more then they are willing to pay for. Most professional designers, developers, marketers will recognize this kind of "opportunity" for what is it: a shallow attempt to exploit them. Which is why most professionals, especially successful ones, would laugh at such a project. The people who are really being exploited by this are people who haven't earned much a reputation yet.

Re:unsophisticated ploy for free work (1)

westlake (615356) | about 2 years ago | (#42634631)

Which is why most professionals, especially successful ones, would laugh at such a project. The people who are really being exploited by this are people who haven't earned much a reputation yet.

The pro learns to swallow his pride and admit that much of his work will be done "on spec." That he will be fighting against a great many others for the attention of a potential client --- all with credentials at least as good as his own.

Re:unsophisticated ploy for free work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634805)

Having competition doesn't mean it's spec work. In most circumstances, asking someone to spend non-trivial amounts of time to develop something non-trivial and MAYBE you'll use it and pay them for it would get you laughed at. Unless they're stupid, naive, and/or desperate.

Re:unsophisticated ploy for free work (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about 2 years ago | (#42635551)

The pro learns to swallow his pride and admit that much of his work will be done "on spec."

Where are you people coming from? Since when was Slashdot populated with so many advertising people ignorant of software? That ain't the way it works. You're a Jack Lemmon come to lecture a room full of Alec Baldwins. It's comical.

Here's how it works in the real world: even the mediocre "pro" can easily make six figures doing things a hell of a lot more interesting and impressive than recipe apps for a soup company. Only a chump would do this contest, and he will only be competing against other chumps.

Re:unsophisticated ploy for free work (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634699)

It's called speculative work, commonly shortened to spec work. And yeah, it's exploitation. [thelogofactory.com]

Re:unsophisticated ploy for free work (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | about 2 years ago | (#42635937)

I normally don't like "mod parent ups"- but the link in the parent is very informative. Even if you're not directly involved in the graphic design field, the general principles strike me as some that could quite easily be stretched to various aspects of the IT field.

Re:unsophisticated ploy for free work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42640755)

This guy gets it. -exploited obscure artist

To create a back door (1)

istartedi (132515) | about 2 years ago | (#42634459)

If they actually put the code into production, your payoff will come from Russia via Silk Road.

Why? (2)

daath93 (1356187) | about 2 years ago | (#42634563)

Fortune and glory, kid. Fortune and glory.

Re:Why? (1)

luckymutt (996573) | about 2 years ago | (#42635491)

minus Fortune. Possibly minus glory, as well.

Re:Why? (1)

daath93 (1356187) | about 2 years ago | (#42637017)

Geek fail.

Re:Why? (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about a year ago | (#42637935)

Moar liek holy fail.

Why? (1)

foma84 (2079302) | about 2 years ago | (#42634587)

The answer is, pretty obviously, "NO!".

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42634649)

Don't know, just wanted to continue the Why? chain of posts.

Some people have a surplus of free time (1)

pla (258480) | about 2 years ago | (#42634821)

my question to software developers out there who are thinking of devoting any real effort to a corporate hackathon like this is: "Why?"'

Why... Well, if currently unemployed, you could do worse things with your time.

Perhaps you really like Campbells (can't say I understand it, but we've all met "corporation fans" who have some sick obsession with otherwise uninteresting companies), and just want to participate in anything they do.

Perhaps you just want access to the API to see if you can find a way to abuse the hell out of it - And, even if they take away your access in three weeks, you'll still have the knowledge of how it works in all its almost certainly insecure goodness; just watching, waiting for your chance, when they have something useful go live with it. Mwa-hahaha!

Or, because you work an insanely boring job and can sneak the work in "on the clock". And while I don't condone that, I consider this one the single most likely "real" answer (perhaps tied for unemployed, though the unemployed would do better to find even shit-work than gamble on a contest to pay the bills).

Keep it secret, keep it safe? Do Not Want. (2, Interesting)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#42634875)

Well, I'm sure the folks writing the code that talks to the API will have to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement. Such an agreement states that the if you let slip the information under any means that you agree you've irreparably harmed the discloser of information. That's the most damaging kind of harm there is, which may even be on the same level as a murder if you think about it, esp. considering the amount of money the disclosee risks forfeiting.

The state of computer security and information security security in general is so ridiculously near non-existent in any sense of the word that it would be foolish to sign any NDA, not just one for an eKitchenSink API. There is not a single common desktop or server OS that can not be readily breached by someone of with sufficient knowledge; Indeed the NSA and even China's Cyber Army has asserted they hold 0-day expolits for every OS. Do you think there's a super intelligent breed of hacker they've developed to obtain this power, or do you think that there are crackers & hackers with such skills that they happened to recruit? If the latter do you think they've recruited them ALL? -or- even a significant percentage?

So, here we have a situation where I can not in good faith sign a contract saying essentially that I won't ever disclose information to 3rd parties while there are more 3rd parties every day who can just reach into my systems and take that data at any time. These are not hypothetical statements, my security has been breached before. Now I only use Linux and use MS Win via VM; However even these precautions aren't enough to prevent a diligent hacker from discovering an exploit or a cracker with a few thousand dollars from buying said exploit... Not that I'm saying I live in constant fear of being compromised, on the contrary, I most assuredly do not fear because I don't sign that type of NDA and take on such risks. I need not fear, only keep backups in case a compromise occurs. When faced with eating a fish that may or may not be deathly poisonous vs one that is known not to be fatally dangerous, I choose the latter.

I always refuse to sign those sorts of contracts and instead propose that any disclosure by me to a 3rd party has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have been a willful disclosure, and that unwillful disclosures include but are not limited to having my own security breached. It's worth noting that many companies will not agree to such terms, and in such cases I simply move along to another bid. In other words, I've naturally gravitated toward working predominantly on (improving) open source software to add a feature that a business needs/wants because a simple risk analysis prevents me from signing most any proprietary NDA. What of the company's own employees? Do they bear such risk of irreparable harm to their business and sign away right to defend themselves against such claims where information leakage has occurred if their workstation is targeted by crackers?

Also, If I've got to disclose my Application Idea prior to accessing the API then I'm at a severe disadvantage. This is the Information Age, you'd do well to learn a bit of information politics. I'm doing the work to come up with an Idea that may or may not even be possible via their API, and giving that work to them for free for the CHANCE that I might be ALLOWED to benefit from the idea? Say they turn down the idea, can they not simply run off and create the app themselves now? If not, if the NDA is bidirectional and they will not disclose my Idea, then they are doomed. I will simply propose hundreds of ideas under that contract, and drag them into court as soon as another app implements the features I've described... I don't even have to develop anything! If the risk is not bidirectional, then it's not worth the chance to take considering the market share, and that other markets for ideas exist.

Finally, If you want to prevent unlicensed 3rd party API usage then implement a secure code signing chain and make the API public. In the Age of Information it is well known to all but that purposefully ignorant Streisandian sect that to proclaim any information secret is to instantly attract the many-eyes-in-one that is neck-beard the gray and his kindred. The information liberation and sharing force is not an army, but a nebulous mental fellowship that silently enlists any with sufficient curiosity that are exposed to consumer electronics bearing secrets. To win a war against such a force is to eradicate the Human Race and all large brained creatures along with them, for discovering and sharing information is the core of their very being. It's foolish to fight against such a thing, and joining them is the only wise decision. To put it another way: He who will not share information freely with me is not my friend, and bears the mark of the greatest enemy of all: Ignorance.

Scrape and copy (1)

xombo (628858) | about 2 years ago | (#42635021)

I wonder if a proposal to scrape their entire data set and offer a superior API to the public would be accepted.

what are you signing a way for the a shot at winin (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 2 years ago | (#42635029)

what are you signing a way for the a shot at winning??

Do they own your idea and can they patent it?

Do they own your code that they can use at are time and they only have to pay the top people off?

What if you have a good idea and some in house takes and builds on it as there own app use it as a base and they give you jack shit?

The greeting card guys are doing it right (1)

jamiesmyth (2819393) | about 2 years ago | (#42636061)

FWIW: These guys seem to be doing it right over at AmericanGreetings: http://hack.ag.com/ [ag.com] (their local event actually going on now) https://twitter.com/AGHackday [twitter.com]

Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42636379)

A recipe database? That's not an API. Someone is being a moron here.

Fun and networking (1)

cowtamer (311087) | about a year ago | (#42637321)

I've won several hundred dollars and some hardware in various hackathons. They are generally fun, let you meet like minded individuals, and force you to think about problems you might not have considered.

Even though they might not make sense from an hourly rate standpoint, you will pretty much get something just for showing up and make valuable contacts. I haven't had a corporation steal anything I've done yet (even when I won).

Hackathons are much more about proofs of concept and getting feedback from the group than anything else...if I were to follow through on anything I created for one, I am sure I'd re-do it with a different API. I don't quite see what the huge deal is....

I call this 'Open Season' (1)

hughbar (579555) | about a year ago | (#42638745)

I call this kind of thing 'open season'. Some sleazy corporate, profiting from the buzz around 'hackathons', 'sprints' and 'open source' [tm] pays for some pizza and maybe a $5k or £5k 'prize' for 'game-changing' ideas. Result, the naive [and geeky people, including myself, tend to have pretty literal mindsets] get sucked in and end up giving the corporate several £100k of code and good ideas.

A variation [and I'm going to one in London in February, but I behave in a fairly guarded fashion] is to sponsor an 'unconference' and perform the same amount of intellectual harvesting in exchange for sandwiches and, even, croissants and danish pastries. We're past the beads and little mirror stage now, you'll be glad to hear.

These are near cousins of the now infamous unpaid internships, slavery, at last, for the white middle classes.

Don't!

Race to the bottom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42641491)

You're doing work "on spec" for Campbells. Read the legalese on the web site. Everyone submits work. One person gets chosen as a finalist. The terms are WORK FOR HIRE for the finalist. Everyone else keeps their intellectual property, but, you're making a Campbells Soup app so I don't know what else you'd do with it.

"Contests" becoming commonplace (1)

SoothingMist (1517119) | about a year and a half ago | (#42656523)

"Contests" and "Challenges" are becoming commonplace. It is another way for government and industry to get work done for little to no cost. When R&D is funded in this way, we should not be surprised at a workforce with declining skills and a population with flagging interest in STEM.
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