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Valve Starts Promoting Steam For Linux To Windows Users

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the you-might-also-like dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Steam is now being used by thousands of gamers running a Linux OS, and Valve has got to the point where they are happy to start urging Windows users to make the switch. Proof of that comes from a 'Join the Beta' promotion on the homepage of Steam suggesting you try Steam for Linux. There's even a download link to get Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, which removes yet another barrier to entry. With Gabe Newell's clear hatred of Windows 8, this shouldn't be a surprising move. We aren't going to see another version of Windows appear for a few years, so in Valve's eyes pushing Linux to gamers makes a lot of sense."

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annual windows (4, Interesting)

genericmk (2767843) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651253)

It is worth pointing out that Microsoft has promised a more regular windows release so the comment of a few years wait for next Windows isn't correct. (or maybe not, maybe Microsoft will not deliver on its "promise").

Re:annual windows (4, Insightful)

The MAZZTer (911996) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651329)

To be fair Valve is the one who was first to promise new versions of their flagship product in shorter periods of time and look what happened! :)

Lunux desktop (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651255)

This is the year...

Re:Lunux desktop (5, Insightful)

cod3r_ (2031620) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651559)

Hopefully a new era of game dev is upon us. This is not only great for linux, but great for people like myself who only use windows for games. Hopefully the video card makers will beef up their effort writing drivers and software for compatibility.

Re:Lunux desktop (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651731)

Hopefully a new era of game dev is upon us

As a developer of an unusual forthcoming FPS (i.e. FPS gameplay very far from CoDfield 6 & co.), I will be doing my bit. Linux and the BSDs are first-class citizens here.

Hopefully the proportion of game developers giving Linux that treatment will keep growing at an accelerating rate.

not windows mobile at the expence of its Desktop (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651599)

This is the year...

...that Windows fucked gamers/steam, pushing users onto alternative platforms [and I mean Android], but providing an unpleasant Desktop experience, with a future that promises censored gaming, and alternative stores locked out. Ironically I'm counting 3 Linux console launches this year so far[one of them from steam], and Android the best known Linux is set to overtake Window in Market share this year [some figures claim it already had happened] http://www.tomshardware.com/gallery/IDC-GS,0101-366874-0-2-3-1-png-.html...not [tomshardware.com] Desktop enough for you...in case you were still wondering the Chromebook is STILL the best selling laptop on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Laptop-Computers/zgbs/electronics/565108/ref=pd_ts_zgc_e_565108_morl?pf_rd_p=1299888842&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=565108&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1J8F0Q3S9TFWX2J2ZRAD [amazon.com]

Get over it the pack of four is all people talk about...and Microsoft is not one of them.

Compatibility (4, Interesting)

Doodlesmcpooh (1981178) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651263)

As soon as the games I already own and play work on Linux I will switch in a heartbeat.

Re:Compatibility (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651405)

I'd switch if I just knew I could count on the major upcoming AAA titles working, I've wanted to for a while, but I have to have my games

Re:Compatibility (1)

Marxdot (2699183) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651737)

But those are the worst sort of games.

Re:Compatibility (3, Funny)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651479)

As soon as all my old Xbox 1 titles work on Xbox360, ill upgrade.....

Re:Compatibility (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651575)

Slashdotter makes idiotic comparison, looks stupid. More at 11.

PC cases that are XBOX HUEG (2)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651583)

It's common to keep two generations of console connected to one TV. As I understand it, it's far less common to keep two different PCs connected to one monitor. I wonder how much of that is because a standard PC tower takes up far more physical space than even an XBOX HUEG console.

The other solution is dual-booting. I don't know how easy that still is, whether Windows 8 gets in the way of shortening a partition. But rebooting into another operating system will interrupt your music, web browsing, and messaging session, let alone those of other household members logged into their accounts, and booting some operating systems takes a lot longer than, say, the time for a console to boot up.

Re:PC cases that are XBOX HUEG (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651807)

One thing people are going to have to get over is that you shouldnt use your Steambox as a full workstation PC, thats a fools game if you want anything resembling a console experience. Hardware is cheap enough now to build dedicated Steamboxes if you want a 'console' like machine. Consoles are an exercise in compromise, keep that in mind when deploying a living room entertainment PC.

Re:Compatibility (2, Interesting)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651555)

already own (older games)... would be really stretching it. A Linux version of new big title games would be a gigantic improvement over the current state. Looks like Linux users at least have Steam games to look forward to including... SKYRIM!!! [playonlinux.com] .

Funny how crazy marketing / another crappy OS can remove the chains off the competition. Reminds me of what happened to Apple... oh wait what's going* to happen to apple.

Push X to watch Gaben drown (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651265)

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I'd like to get on this team action. (3, Funny)

future assassin (639396) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651267)

Where can I download it, I can only find Steam.

Re:I'd like to get on this team action. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651551)

http://store.steampowered.com/about

Yawn! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651269)

Herd the cattle wherever you profit the most.

Fingers Crossed (1)

Sigvatr (1207234) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651277)

Fingers crossed this is the trigger to begin the revolution.

"team is now being..." (1)

x0d (2506794) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651289)

*Steam, FTFY.

Re:"team is now being..." (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651381)

But which team is Steam on?

Big Picture (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651601)

Steam is on the PC team, as opposed to the console team. Especially with Big Picture and the ability to filter for controller-friendly games, Valve seems to have taken a shot at encouraging people to set up a living-room PC instead of a major console.

Why? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651295)

Apart from support open source software why should I switch from Windows 7 to Linux? Are there any benefits in terms of speed or reliability?

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

MBGMorden (803437) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651335)

Well, for one, if you build your own PC's and don't want to pirate software, then Linux is free. Saving the cost of an OS is big for me. You also have a system that is FAR less likely to be affected by malware.

Also, once you get good on Linux the power of having a Unix command line available really becomes a boon. It took me a good year to 18 months of primary use on Linux, but at this point I truly feel more comfortable and efficient in Linux than in Windows. I use a 2nd computer on a KVM switch that runs Windows for playing games, but that's literally the only thing I do on that system - I genuinely dislike using Windows beyond that. If the games were available for Linux then I'd have little reason to keep a Windows machine/install at all.

Re:Why? (0)

desdinova 216 (2000908) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651373)

and that less affected by malware thing will go away once Linux becomes popular

Re:Why? (1, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651395)

Doubtful. Apache is more popular than IIS and still people target IIS for malware. IE6-8 just had yet another remote exploit days/weeks ago.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651627)

Apache is usually set up by people who are at least partly knowledgable in what they are donig- IT admins or at least computer enthusiasts. Most PCs are operated by regular people who know how to use facebook and youtube and don't even knoe they should update their OS

Desktop malware is different (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651633)

It's not only malware that exploits defects in an Internet service's input checking, as in your example of Apache vs. IIS. It's also malware that tricks desktop users into installing it, such as surreptitious installation of a keylogger or a fake antivirus or the like. Consider what would happen if a user puts mistaken trust in a rogue PPA to see dancing bunnies.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651557)

Except it will never become popular because it's still too difficult for the novice to set up and use. Yes, even ubuntu. You still have to worry too much about whether or not your hardware will work properly.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651639)

same with windows 7

Re:Why? (1)

ekgringo (693136) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651821)

At least if Windows 7 doesn't recognize your video card, it will at least show a bad quality GUI. With Linux, your video card isn't recognized, if you're lucky, you'll be stuck at a command prompt with an X-windows error that says something like, "No Screens Found" (which is ironically displayed on your screen).

Re:Why? (1)

soupbowl (1849394) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651883)

I use and enjoy *unix and I agree with this.

Re:Why? (2)

sonofd (2814721) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651783)

Yes, even ubuntu.

Are you kidding? What is so challenging about booting to a cd, and then clicking "install"?????

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

cduffy (652) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651635)

Maybe, maybe not.

Windows is still trying to be backwards-compatible with an API and end-user experience that was designed around single-user systems, whereas the UNIXy legacy is from large university systems where users were expected to be hostile (and, frequently, were).

Security on Windows has been getting a lot better over the last decade and a half, and it's going to continue to get better as Microsoft stops supporting legacy APIs and continues to modify workflows to adjust user expectations, but I'm still not much inclined to accept the assertion that there's no remaining difference that isn't directly and exclusively caused by the delta in marketshare.

Re:Why? (1)

cod3r_ (2031620) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651645)

Not even remotely true. Not every linux box is going to have all the same libraries and all the same programs tons of browser tons of email programs etc... The malware will have to be written in the most basic form not depending on ANYTHING.. It's not going to have privileges to create an init script and even if it starts in the user init it will be so simple to get rid of. Killing the program would be as simple as "kill -9 malware" Not to mention linux has many free firewall apps that would catch it trying to do something on the net.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651667)

Not necessarily, Linux seems to be much more secure by design, unless of course people run as root, with old kernels with known security flaws.

Which will probably be the case..... damn....

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651711)

People said that about mac stuff too. As it turns out, designing a system to be more resilient to that kind of thing up front really does help, along with the "many species" state of things. You can't count on 100% identical suite of system software across countless distros.

So, bigger target? Maybe someday. But not equally vulnerable.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

patchmaster (463431) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651759)

Also, once you get good on Linux the power of having a Unix command line available really becomes a boon. It took me a good year to 18 months of primary use on Linux, but at this point I truly feel more comfortable and efficient in Linux than in Windows.

This would be a valuable observation if you had first spent 18 months at the Windows command line. Of course, very few people are going to be willing to spend 18 months to get up to speed with using an OS.

For the expert, the command line is hard to beat for speed and efficiency. For anyone who isn't an expert, the command line is a major hindrance. They do far better with the point and click graphical interface. So I'm not sure better efficiency after 18 months of training is really a big selling point to most people.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651831)

This would be a valuable observation if you had first spent 18 months at the Windows command line.

This too, would be a valuable observation if you actually could accomplish everything from the Windows command line. Anything you can do from a Linux GUI, you can also do from the command line. The same cannot be said about Windows.

Re:Why? (2)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651895)

This would be a valuable observation if you had first spent 18 months at the Windows command line.

Window's command line is garbage, so that's not a fair comparison at all.

For the expert, the command line is hard to beat for speed and efficiency. For anyone who isn't an expert, the command line is a major hindrance.

For the expert, the written word is hard to beat for precision and expressivness. For anyone who isn't an expert, the written word is a major hinderance. And yet, here we all are communicating with the written word.

Re:Why? (1)

Chryana (708485) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651839)

Also, once you get good on Linux the power of having a Unix command line available really becomes a boon. It took me a good year to 18 months of primary use on Linux, but at this point I truly feel more comfortable and efficient in Linux than in Windows.

Yeah, that's a very strong argument for switching, I'm surprised that it is not used more often.

Re:Why? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651383)

nope

Re:Why? (1)

agm (467017) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651439)

I would say "yes", though it depends what software you use. Not having to run a virus checker is a big bonus.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651657)

Linux is slightly faster on recent PC. It remains fast when your PC gets older. As a result, Linux is a lot faster on older machine. The main benefit for me is that my system is stable. It does not get broken with automatic updates. Desinstallation of a software is complete. If I want to reinstall a system (for example to replace the hard drive), it is trivial to preserve all the softwware configuration.

The main problem of running linux is that almost noone does it.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651787)

Are there any benefits in terms of speed or reliability?

Games run faster/smoother in Linux. DirectX may be easier to code for, but OpenGL is superior if implemented correctly. [extremetech.com]

Windows 9 or 8.1 / 8SE may hear sooner then (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651301)

Windows 9 or 8.1 / 8SE may hear sooner then you think and adding the back the old desktop and go a long way and be done easy.

metro just needs to be run in a window.

Re:Windows 9 or 8.1 / 8SE may hear sooner then (2, Interesting)

rock_climbing_guy (630276) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651427)

Run Metro in a Window! Best Windows 8 improvement I've heard of, so far.

Now if only I could make those awful mandatory Windows Updates run in a window, too!

Re:Windows 9 or 8.1 / 8SE may hear sooner then (2)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651435)

Windows 9 or 8.1 / 8SE may hear sooner then you think and adding the back the old desktop and go a long way and be done easy.

That's right, all of those things may be true, like North Korea may open itself up to the internet.

Re:Windows 9 or 8.1 / 8SE may hear sooner then (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651491)

The desktop is already there in Windows 8. Metro can already be run in a window. The start menu can already be added back to Windows 8. Maybe you should stop worrying about Windows 8 and start worrying about your English.

Lack of discoverability (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651651)

Metro can already be run in a window.

How are end users supposed to discover that something like RetroUI Pro [betanews.com] exists? And why should users have to pay extra rather than have it built into the operating system? Perhaps the fact that Window 8 users don't know what a Window 8 user can already do is telling about the usability of Window 8.

Re:Windows 9 or 8.1 / 8SE may hear sooner then (1)

reboot246 (623534) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651561)

Right now the new Windows is being called "Windows Blue". From what I can gather, it won't have a Start button and the Start Screen will be the main interface. Not much change from Windows 8 - just polishing the turd again.

Remove More Barriers To Entry (1)

hduff (570443) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651309)

How about doing it with a Steam download that runs on _any_ modern Linux?

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651361)

You want them to focus on a smaller percentage of a small percentage that has a tendency to think "no closed source on my system, ever!!!!"?

Get over yourself.

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (1)

hduff (570443) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651485)

You want them to focus on a smaller percentage of a small percentage that has a tendency to think "no closed source on my system, ever!!!!"?

Get over yourself.

Who is that? Fedora? SuSE? Mageia? ARCH? None of them have "no closed source" problems.

And it's not impossible to package software to run on a broader range of modern Linux distros. Other commercial vendors seem to be able to do it.

Until they offer more universal packaging, they should more accurately call it "Steam for Ubuntu".

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651523)

ARCH already has it in AUR. So you can drop that off your list. I am also fairly confident I read something about rpms being made for fedora or instructions to do it yourself.

Maybe if installing packages for another distro is too hard for you, you should just stick to the supported one.

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (1)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651665)

He's thinking of the distros few people use, like Trisquel and whatnot.

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651827)

Would probably run on debian and mint to

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (1)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651363)

Because as you get away from Ubuntu and its derivatives the number of users drops off, with it falling even further as you get away from Fedora.

That said, Steam has been packaged up since the closed beta for other Distros.

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651375)

If you want to do that, you should be able to do it yourself. That is clearly not something they will support.

It runs fine on 12.10 64bit by the way.

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651425)

It does. I'm running it just fine on Gentoo, and I've installed it on Arch as well. If you are incapable of taking a .deb and extracting what you need from it, you are better off using one of the distros Steam supports anyway.

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651463)

Because that's what they officially (I guess) support. I think valve has talked about making it more distribution agnostic in the future. http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/846939854324291029/

Other distributions that are not supported will obviously repackage it. Archlinux has it in the AUR and it works fine. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/steam/

I'm fine if they only officially support ubuntu as long as they don't do too much ubuntu specific stuff. For example I think they still have no tray icon, only the indicator stuff. That's not so nice.

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651707)

How about doing it with a Steam download that runs on _any_ modern Linux?

Last I checked (Saturday), the current build is confirmed to be working on Ubuntu 12.04, 12.10, Debian Squeeze, and the latest Arch distro.

Some folks have had luck installing the .deb on Fedora, but this is unconfirmed by me.


Side note - There are, of course, some driver issues, mostly in the graphics department; I can't run TF2 on my old Dell laptop, as there is apparently no current nor intended support for older Intel GM45 series video cards :(

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651709)

OpenSUSE had a repository and 1-Click Install setup for the Steam Linux Beta. It was taken down by the OBS team due to lack of clarity in licensing according to this [opensuse.org] . Before that you could convert the .deb into an .rpm using alien or other tools, though. I've been playing TF2 using the native Linux client on openSUSE 12.2 since before the Steam Beta was opened and it is really very simple to workaround for most distros if you do not want to use Ubuntu.

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651719)

Jesus, just install Ubuntu in an LXC on your distro of choice and stop being a whiny little bitch.

Re:Remove More Barriers To Entry (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651779)

> How about doing it with a Steam download that runs on _any_ modern Linux?

Use alien to turn the deb package into a simple tarball.

Then use ldd to see what libraries you are missing.

There's no magic in this sort of thing: Lay down some files. Then lay down some more files to make sure the first set works. Perhaps throw up some advertising and a progress bar.

Chances are that "modern" Linuxen are already going to have what Steam needs since Linuxen are all ultimately the same upstream projects repackaged.

Team? (1)

Das Auge (597142) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651317)

"team is now being used by thousands of gamers running a Linux OS"

Really? Slashdot has a history of doing a lackluster job of editing, but come on. "Team"?

On topic: I'm looking forward to gaming on Linux. I don't care if it's a byproduct of Valve's development of their own console. In much the same way that I looked forward to having a motherboard with no IDE connectors, I can't wait to ditch Windows. The only reason that I keep it around is for gaming. No more wasted space having to format a large part of my drive in NTFS and the other in EXT4.

Bravo, Valve. Bravo!

Yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651319)

That's great and all but there are less Linux games on Steam than even for OS X. And having to hope that the ~90% of Windows that games that will never be ported will work in Wine is not a good proposition.

Windows is the old platform (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651749)

That's great and all but there are less Linux games on Steam than even for OS X. And having to hope that the ~90% of Windows that games that will never be ported will work in Wine is not a good proposition.

Absolutely...but that was when Windows was a dominant platform. Increasingly we are seeing games exclusive to android, and not appearing on windows at all, and we are seeing the launch of by my count 4 Linux based consoles this year. Games are coming to Linux thick and fast the Humble Bundle games alone total 70+...and that is a small independent developer, nothing like the size of Steam.

Phew (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651347)

Now all I need is Office to work on Linux, Photoshop, Illustrator, my external audio interfaces, my PCI-X firewire card, ProTools, and a ton of other games and I am set.

Re:Phew (1)

MrWin2kMan (918702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651447)

And my Red Stapler, and that's all.

Libreoffice works just fine. (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651715)

Now all I need is Office to work on Linux

Your the only one everyone else is moving to Libreoffice and Google Docs, The iPad proved that few really need or want office..but then its off-topic. Ironically the best selling laptop right now on Amazon is a Chromebook guess your list of requirements is out of touch with most users..

seriously though http://www.libreoffice.org/ [libreoffice.org] is great.

Re:Phew (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651793)

Don't try to kid us. We all know that you're far too cheap to actually pay for a copy of Photoshop.

Make the SOURCE ENGINE games available under linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651355)

For the love of god, Make the SOURCE ENGINE games available under linux.
I'd be happy to play through HL2 etc again while waiting for newer titles.

Re:Make the SOURCE ENGINE games available under li (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651411)

Clearly the engine already does since Team Fortress has been ported. I wonder what the hold up is.

DAMMIT VALVE, let me play PORTAL 2!

Oh and get cracking on HL3.

Re:Make the SOURCE ENGINE games available under li (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651519)

Yeah, That's what I mean!
Team Fortress is Fun and all, But what's the hold up on the rest.

I have Portal 2 in my wish list, But I'm not going to buy it unless it's available for Linux.

Re:Make the SOURCE ENGINE games available under li (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651543)

I bought it for PS3 and got the free steam copy. Which I already played in wine. Now I want to install it again since I got rid of my steam wine bottle.

Re:Make the SOURCE ENGINE games available under li (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651527)

Drivers need some work still. TF2 isnt nearly as smooth on Linux as it is on Win on the same hardware.I get 'micro-stuttering' on Linux in TF2. Same map, same server and it sutters on Linux. Its totally playable, but its drawbacks kill it for a pixel junkie like me.. When that goes away, ill consider using Linux for my Valve gaming goodness (L4D2, TF2 etc).

Re:Make the SOURCE ENGINE games available under li (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651867)

I would hope that the expanded user base brought by Steam will pressure video card makers to create better linux drivers.

Re:Make the SOURCE ENGINE games available under li (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651467)

Better yet, open source the Source Engine (but keep content licensed, much like how you still need to buy Doom 3 to play it with the open source engine) and let the community help you do it.

2013? (1)

karearea (234997) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651359)

The year of Linux on the (gaming) Desktop?

That was 2010 (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651673)

The year of Linux on the (gaming) Desktop?

It was May 2010 that the Humble Bundle launched it has had 7 Cross Platform Desktop versions...4 others that include Android...and 6 Developer Specific bundles, already proving Linux as a viable gaming platform.

Steam is late to the the party. In reality the new world its "cross platform gaming" that is becoming increasing important as Windows as both a platform and a brand lose relevance.

This has been there for a while... (1)

Deathspawner (1037894) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651387)

That's not the homepage; it's the download page. And that Tux and message has been there for over a month, at least.

Correction: Steam for Ubuntu. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651431)

That's the only platform that's officially supported so far anyway, and under that I couldn't even get TF2 to to work properly so YMMV. On the one hand people want to abandon Ubuntu in droves because of the whole Amazon "spyware" fiasco, on the other hand they can't because a lot of the alternative distributions and OS's out there won't boot on a Windows 8 machine, thanks to UEFI. Canonical knows that paying their way into the system is the best way to force people to accept the changes they're making to Unity -- if it's the only thing other than Windows 8 that will boot on your system, then you're stuck with a distribution who has paid their way into Microsoft's walled garden...and in turn they can get away with things like collecting information from your Ubuntu installation to peddle to Amazon.

UEFI is Microsoft's baby no doubt, they're the ones pushing for it the hardest, but don't think it hasn't occurred to a businessman like Shuttleworth that it can work for people like him too. As previously stated, if Ubuntu is one of the only options that will run on a majority of Windows 8 PC's then they can essentially get away with forcing anything upon the user, pre-installed spyware, hiding off your searches to third party companies, ad nauseam. That's what's forced most people to abandon Windows and commercial alternatives in the first place -- you would think Canonical would be shooting themselves in the foot for adopting similar policies, but it's actually quite smart. They've realized that money is the only way their alternative OS is going to survive on the market now, Microsoft has the keys...they've also realized that they can monetize that position for their own advantage. It's only going to get worse, until people stop buying hardware that refuses to boot anything other than Windows 8 or a "properly signed" alternative.

Re:Correction: Steam for Ubuntu. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651465)

Runs fine on ARCH, it is even in their repos.

You know you can uninstall the Amazon thing right?
System76/Dell/etc will likely still provide hardware that is not bootloader locked.

Huzzah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651509)

Gotta be a high level of confidence if Valve is putting Steam for Linux out there for the sheep herd to see, and that is good news indeed.

There are still problems of course- the only one I have had is the lack of old titles being ported yet, but I have seen a number of problems due to people using unsupported distributions. The community will solve these issues fairly rapidly, of course- this isn't Microsoft we are dealing with!

As to the question of "Why?" posted above:
there are a lot of benefits to using linux and one of the chief ones is cost.
Another popular one is that the user can maintain control of their own computer rather than letting the corporate policy of a vendor decide what you can do with your pc.
The most important ones to me:
the ability to choose how my operating system (desktop and every other method of interfacing) looks, works and functions.
When I change a setting, it STAYS changed.
If something goes wrong it is MY fault- I did it, which is very different to Windows which often would switch from the manual settings I specified to auto-magic ones which simply didn't work.

As the market share of linux has grown, the operatings systems based on the kernel have gotten better and better, surpassing Windows in most respects.
Valve's current plans only help that and should move linux forward to the point where MS and Apple copy gnu/linux all the time instead of just a lot of the time. :)

You insensitiv3 c7od. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651535)

Infinitesimaaly that he documents

Useless (0, Troll)

Dunge (922521) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651549)

Come play our 3 games supported!

Re:Useless (1)

naturaverl (628952) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651597)

Wish I had mod points. Seriously I installed the linux client, poked around, and uninstalled it after a day. The problem for me is that more or less than 90% of the games on steam aren't available if you're running linux.

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651689)

Heh... There's a few more than that that're in progress...some from Valve, some from other studios and publshers...

Are you serious (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651815)

Come play our 3 games supported!

A single indie developer got all these bundles working on Linux, by my count the cream of indie gaming...you seriously think steam isn't going to add to this.

Humble Indie Bundle
Humble Indie Bundle 2
Humble Indie Bundle 3
Humble Indie Bundle 4
Humble Indie Bundle V
Humble Indie Bundle 6
Humble Indie Bundle 7
Humble Frozenbyte Bundle
Humble Frozen Synapse Bundle
Humble Voxatron Debut
Humble Introversion Bundle
Humble Botanicula Debut
Humble Bundle for Android
Humble Bundle for Android 2
Humble Bundle for Android 3
Humble Bundle for Android 4

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651853)

It's like Mac gaming, sure you can get a few games on mac, funny enough more games from windows run on linux under wine than get official ports to OSX.

Call me a skeptic here.... (2, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651607)

But I really can't see this being a successful venture.

I'm not trying to troll, just calling it as I see it.

Why would people bother with this when they can just play practically all of (if not actually all of) the same games on the windows PC that they already have?

Their Linux console certainly isn't priced any more economically than a PC, so I'm not sure I see the advantgage as far as the end-user is concerned.

Re:Call me a skeptic here.... (5, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651687)

But I really can't see this being a successful venture.

Why not? Game developers can't be hurt by being given a way to stay independent of any one company. Currently they can play the console vendors off each other, even if the platforms are vendor controlled. On the PC, they've never had anyone but Microsoft.

Why would people bother with this when they can just play practically all of (if not actually all of) the same games on the windows PC that they already have?

Because I want a choice other than "Microsoft or no games at all." I'm not alone, apparently.

Re:Call me a skeptic here.... (0)

mark-t (151149) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651861)

You may not be alone... but do you seriously think that there are actually enough people like you to make this a successful venture?

Can you justify this belief against the existing demographics which have Linux with an almost vanishingly small percentage of home desktop users? I'm not saying they aren't out there... just suggesting that their numbers probably aren't sufficient to bring about any real commercial success in the home user mass-market

Re:Call me a skeptic here.... (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651877)

They would bother because the only thing that's currently holding them back from using linux/Mac OS is having their games available.

And since when have they announced their pricing for the steam box? They announced that their dev kit was roughly as fast as a $1000 PC (though the specs look more like $7-800 to me). Given that it'll only be launched in about a year, that'll mean that that speed will be achievable with $5-600 consumer parts. Add into that that valve will be getting OEM prices, and it'll likely be $400-450 to them, add to that that they'll probably launch it at a loss, and you're looking at $300 for their high end version. That's an entirely reasonable price for a console in this day and age.

Re:Call me a skeptic here.... (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651897)

Oops, forgot to follow up.

Valve will then of course do exactly what Nintendo/Sony/MS do to make sure games studios get working on games for their device. This in turn will have the side effect that every game released for steambox will also be available on Linux. Given that almost all of the APIs for linux (and I'd bet heavily 100% of the ones Valve say are guaranteed to be available) are also available on Mac OS, and I'd bet that you're looking at all those games also being available for Mac OS.

That will if nothing else, significantly weaken MS's strangle hold on the gaming world.

Long story short (1)

Kartu (1490911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651675)

Microsoft plans to introduce a "windows app store".
This is a huge threat to Valve's business since Microsoft wouldn't care about high margins on stuff sold in it.
This move is a sort of counter attack.
Note that Valve doesn't try to make money on hardware, merely establish a non-Microsoft platform.

So what we, customers, can get from it:
1) DirectX's alternative for Unixes (yeah, once upon a time there was OpenGL, I remember)
2) Standardized gamepads usable on PCs
3) Weakened wintel domination

More Police State than closed Garden (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42651911)

Microsoft plans to introduce a "windows app store".
This is a huge threat to Valve's business since Microsoft wouldn't care about high margins on stuff sold in it.

No...Window *has* launched a Windows app store. Its not just a huge threat to Valve with a bundled a software shop. It threatens to become Windows only shop [copying Apples closed garden]. Microsoft intends to become the *only* place to get software on the windows platform, not undercut the opposition.

EXCLUSIVE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651875)

Steam for linux would have needes a boost, like Half-Life 3 exclusive... but it was a joke...or was it?

We need better support from NVIDIA/AMD first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42651921)

We need better support for NVIDIA/ATI graphics first.

This is bound to bite us in the ass as another failure and more proof “Linux doesn't work”. I don't believe Linux on the desktop is a failure although it hasn't been adopted by the masses due to the differences in support and a lack of commitment from the current user base to purchasing free software friend hardware.

However we (the community/businesses/etc) haven't gotten it right because no company has made a serious attempt to provide proper support for end-users and end-users have not committed to demanding there hardware be free software friendly. People don't seem to understand that in order for the OS to succeed in the market place there has to be support for it at various levels. Right now that support is getting better although far from “good enough” for the mass of gamers. Where the support has seriously improved has largely been due to one little company and a handful of others. ThinkPenguin has been working on a free software friendly catalog which has made it easy to pick up hardware for Linux. The company isn't just sitting around waiting for support to improve like a lot of other “Linux” companies. They are working with various entities, distributions, and developers and pushing for the release of code. We need drivers compatible with the free software development model that distributions are based on. Otherwise Linux is too complicated for the masses.

The problem with Linux gaining steam for gaming is the lack of properly supported hardware. NVIDIA does not release specifications or code which means any free software driver is at a serious disadvantage. NVIDIA graphics cards may or may not work at any given time and certain features will never be implemented due to incompatibility with the free software model. Instead of trying to turn Linux into MS Windows we need to press NVIDIA and AMD to cooperate. They need to follow Intel in releasing the complete specifications so that completely free drivers can be developed and supported in the mainline and derivative kernels.

AMD hasn't provided the complete specifications either and isn't planning to. AMD is committed to public relations, not Linux.

If we fail to demand free drivers the ease of use which we have gained will be lost and there will be zero chance of this succeeding.

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