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Microsoft May Invest $1B-$3B In Dell Buyout

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the dude-you're-gettin-dell dept.

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alexander_686 writes "We heard that Dell is in buyout talks with private equity firms. Now, the word is that Microsoft may invest one to three billion dollars in that buyout. For that amount of money, Microsoft isn't going for majority ownership, but it would be a significant stake. Dell is worth around $22-25 billion. Speculation is that investors would put up $5-7 billion in equity, borrowing the rest. As a point of reference, Michael Dell's stock is worth $3.6 billion."

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Well... (2)

futhermocker (2667575) | about a year and a half ago | (#42661947)

My stocks aren't much lower, amateur

Give it Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42665219)

I recently attempted to buy a XPS 14 from them. As I needed Windows 7 for my Father, I selected the "Small & Medium Business" version as the "Home" version only offered Windows 8. I was ready to pay with either my Dell account or Credit Card.

They would not sell it to me.

Couldn't come up with a business reason for this behavior until I heard that Microsoft was a major investor in the buyout. My guess is that they are attempting to bring down the stock price to reduce the cost of the buyout.

proof (5, Funny)

aletterman (544519) | about a year and a half ago | (#42661969)

that a fool and his money are soon parted.

Re:proof (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662203)

Do you "bronies" realize that you are a disgrace to humanity? Your mere existence is worse than Hitler, the Soviets, Native American Genocide, and all suffering and death to come combined. Know why? Because your predecessors survived through it, and you spend your days wishing that you could have sex with a horse. How would your medieval ancestors, breaking their backs in fields just to have their towns pillaged and raped feel about you slobbering over this shit? You are literally the lowest of the low, the scum of the earth.

Balmer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663919)

Steve, is that you?

Re:proof (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662233)

Former Microsoft executive says CEO Ballmer culls internal rivals to retain power

Microsoft Corp Chief Executive Steve Ballmer is not the right leader for the world's largest software company but holds his grip on it by systematically forcing out any rising manager who challenges his authority, claims a former senior executive who has written a book about his time at the company.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/22/us-microsoft-book-idUKBRE90L04320130122 [reuters.com]

Re:proof (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663057)

this is not foolish.

dell has recently reannounced linux laptops and computers.

this is pocket change for MS as a hedge bet to make sure dell goes under.

go go private equity! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42661991)

YAY!!!! Let's have everything owned by the choppers and the dealers and the I-don't-give-a-long-term-fuckers!

Capitalism has never been worse.

mmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662089)

Your angst is palpable.

Re:go go private equity! (3, Insightful)

Troyusrex (2446430) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662507)

Actually, one of the benefits of private equity is that they usually DO think of the long term because they don't have to worry about things like their stock tanking and the short term thinking that goes with quarterly reporting.

Re:go go private equity! (3, Insightful)

Rob Y. (110975) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662981)

That assumes they're not planning on flipping the company in a few years. In that case all long term bets are off, and all they want to do is make the company look good on paper for the next resale. And in my experience, that's the more common case.

Dell may not be a good example of that, since Michael Dell is still involved and presumably still cares about the company that bears his name. But the company I work for has been bought and sold at least 6 or 7 times (most recently last month). And for the first 2 years, the private equity guys talk about how much they 'believe in the business'. After that, every decision makes sense only in the context of a jacked up balance sheet in prep for resale...

Re:go go private equity! (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664839)

Your claim has not been made evident in recent years. Wall Street had a lot of equity in the housing bubble, for instance. Yet, they continued to drive that bubble into the stratosphere before it finally burst. I have zero faith in the predictions of economists and financial advisors.

It can go either way.. (1)

Junta (36770) | about a year ago | (#42665179)

It can be that the private equity situation is a matter of scavenging vultures that raid the company as they grind it into the ground.

However, if MS and Michael Dell were the principle private stake holders, I'd imagine it is at least trying to be what you describe: a way to run the damn business with some risk without day traders killing you. MS would undoubtedly be looking to 'be more Apple', and Dell's position in the market is better than MS's current circumstance of starting from scratch...

eating his words (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662005)

Is Michael Dell shutting down the company and giving the money back to the shareholders??? :)

Re:eating his words (1)

Lawrence61 (868933) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662775)

Apple could buy the company lock, stock, and barrel, then trash it, and still have a sizzable chunk of change left.

Re:eating his words (2)

lee1026 (876806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663131)

In the event this sell goes though, that would be more or less what he is doing.

Re:eating his words (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663607)

Make me curious of what he has said. I can imagine about what it could be but I don't know.

Dude you are being owned by the man (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662021)

Dude you are being owned by the man

Re:Dude you are being owned by the man (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662503)

Yes, Dell should prepare to be Nokia-ized.

Microsoft won't "own" them so Microsoft won't give a shit when they go bankrupt.

FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (4, Funny)

Monkey-Man2000 (603495) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662023)

...is Linux flying off new Dell computers.

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662061)

That whooshing sound was heard years ago when Linux machines at dell failed to sell. After all if you are smart enough to use Linux why would you be shopping for a prebuilt machine at Dell?

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (2, Informative)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662205)

Because building a laptop from component parts is a pain in the ass?

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662477)

Haven't you heard of ODMs? Same hardware made by the same people that build the Dells, HPs, etc.. Even if you don't want to put it together yourself, you can still get it without an OS, no matter what Dell decides to do (and it's likely to be less expensive, too)

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662725)

Just because you don't usually put the parts together yourself doesn't make buying the overpriced and poorly supported shit Dell peddle a good idea. There are literally hundreds of better and cheaper choices.

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662727)

Why would you ever want to buy a Dell laptop?

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662269)

Haven't you heard? With Ubuntu(Linux for Human Beings), you don't HAVE to be smart to use linux. You just need a lot of free time and a taste for human feces.

Captcha: failure

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662873)

There was a low priced Linux laptop for sale around Christmas for $279 if I remember correctly. It sold out very quickly, although you could still pick up the version with Windows on it ($329, I believe) for quite some time. There's value in knowing that you're buying a pre-built machine whose components all have Linux support.

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662903)

Linux sold great on Dells for many years. They've had some problems with desktop users and Dells but Linux was core to Dell's server business, it allowed them to get rid of their OEM SCO in the early 1990s while still having a strong server presence.

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662959)

Neither one of you know what the hell you're talking about. More than half of our Dells come with Redhat. Only the bean counters get Microsoft.

Re:FYI: that wooshing sound you hear... (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664867)

"Linux machines at dell failed to sell."

There was a lot more to it than just failing to sell.

Never did Dell actually PUSH Linux on their machines. Behind-the-scenes politics blocked that. Had Dell devoted as much as ten percent of their sales efforts to push Linux, sales would probably have been strong. I've browsed their site over the years. Linux was difficult to find, at the best of times. You have to SEARCH for Linux.

Not like Windows, which is the default on every single machine they sell.

It would make sense (5, Interesting)

cshark (673578) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662027)

Microsoft has been dissecting Apples strategy of being a device and os company. Or perhaps they want to be IBM, which does the same thing? A Microsoft stake in Dell might mean an end to Studiobuntu Laptops, though. And I think that would be a shame. Those things are nice.

Mod him up past 3... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662355)

He says it all in my opinion better than anyone has on the page...

* :)

Do I disagree with it?

No, by no means - If Microsoft can come up with the uptime stable that IBM big iron has?? Who could complain.

They're decent now, running 5-9's in clustered failovers, but in other categories?

I don't *think* (unless anyone can correct me here that is, I'll take it) MS has *quite* achieved IBM's mark there for business & "mission-critical"/"enterprise-class" - yet!

I say, yet, because this MIGHT be what they need to do, to do it. Focus more on hardware specifics & setups for it. Make it better, stronger, faster... smarter failover tests during operations, doing even better than "5-9's" 99.999% uptime, albeit from SINGLE servers.

APK

P.S.=> I, of course per my subject-line again, don't HAVE any "mod points" to give since I post "ac" - however, IF I did? Well, see subject-line above, I'd be 1st in line dropping an "+1 Insightful" into the mixture , but I can't, so - see subject-line above...

... apk

Re:Mod him up past 3... apk (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664281)

Holy shit, I've been impressed the past few months. You've gotten past your HOSTS file thing and are actually contributing constructive, on point posts.

Re:Mod him up past 3... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664505)

the wonders of adhering to a medication regime...

it's still risky to reply to apk while logged in. if you offend him you'll never hear the end of it.

Quit "projecting" your issues onto me troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664737)

Now, "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat", troll -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3400783&cid=42664689 [slashdot.org]

* :)

(Your AC reply to yourself? Yea, that really "fools us" gmhowell (not!)).

APK

P.S.=> GmHowell's a KNOWN TROLL that "gets off" on stalking/harassing me online (talk about in need of "medication", lol) -> http://slashdot.org/~gmhowell/journal/266768 [slashdot.org] and is, in my opinion? In need of some "meds", lol...

... apk

Opinions vary, Mr. Troll... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664689)

"Holy shit, I've been impressed the past few months. You've gotten past your HOSTS file thing and are actually contributing constructive, on point posts" - by gmhowell (26755) on Tuesday January 22, @08:47PM (#42664281) Homepage

You're outnumbered in that sentiment by a 242++:1 ratio (many orders of magnitude MORE than your opinion) vs. your opinion, as to the quality of my postings here on /., over the years now:

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Roughly 242++ of them & I post as AC (hard to get even +1, as /. hides our posts & we "AC"'s start @ ZERO/0 points, unlike registered "lusers", lol!):

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+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (8):

HOSTS & BGP:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450 [slashdot.org]
FIREFOX IN DANGER: 2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2559120&cid=38268580 [slashdot.org]
TESLA:2010 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1872982&cid=34264190 [slashdot.org]
TESLA:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1806946&cid=33777976 [slashdot.org]
NVIDIA 2d:2006 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175774&cid=14610147 [slashdot.org]
Ubuntu Linux sends back local disk query strings to CANONICAL: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3304601&cid=42234351 [slashdot.org]
Question to Mr. Mark Shuttleworth @ UBUNTU/CANONICAL: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3304725&cid=42243467 [slashdot.org]
COMPUTER ASSOCIATES BUSTED FOR ACCOUNTING FRAUD:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102 [slashdot.org]

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+4 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (5):

APK SECURITY GUIDE:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167071&cid=13931198 [slashdot.org]
INFO. SYSTEMS WORK:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161862&cid=13531817 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS @ NASDAQ 7++ YRS. NOW:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1290967&cid=28571315 [slashdot.org]
CARMACK'S ARMADILLO AEROSPACE:2005 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158310&cid=13263898 [slashdot.org]
What I admire about Theo DeRaadt of BSD fame: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3007641&cid=40785151 [slashdot.org]

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+3 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (7):

APK MICROSOFT INTERVIEW:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=155172&cid=13007974 [slashdot.org]
Linux security failures 2011-2012: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3319303&cid=42306663 [slashdot.org]
APK MS SYMBOLIC DIRECTORY LINKS:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166850&cid=13914137 [slashdot.org]
APK FOOLS IE7 INSTALL IN BETA HOW TO:2006 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175857&cid=14615222 [slashdot.org]
PROOFS ON OPERA SPEED & SECURITY:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=273931&cid=20291847 [slashdot.org]
HBGary POST in Fake Names On Social Networks, a Fake Problem:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2375110&cid=37056304 [slashdot.org]
APK RC STOP ROOKIT TECHNIQUES:2008 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1021873&cid=25681261 [slashdot.org]
Elevator Algorithm for harddisk drives #2 of 2 (1st's in +1): 2012 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3287917&cid=42158041 [slashdot.org]

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+2 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (23):

CODING FOR DEFCON (my compressed/packed exe + sizecheck @ startup technique): 2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158231&cid=13257227 [slashdot.org]
HOW DLL API CALL LOADS WORK:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1001489&cid=25441395 [slashdot.org]
WERNER VON BRAUN - A Nazi Scientist used by U.S.A. for rocketry: 2011 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1957608&cid=34933062 [slashdot.org]
APK TRICK TO STOP A MALWARE:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1010923&cid=25549351 [slashdot.org]
DOING SHAREWARE 1995-2004:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=233779&cid=19020329 [slashdot.org]
MHTML SECURITY BUG FIX IE:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1973914&cid=35056454 [slashdot.org]
EXCEL SECURITY FIX:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1139485&cid=26974507 [slashdot.org]
CODING JOBS OFFSHORING:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=245971&cid=19760473 [slashdot.org]
WE SHOULD PENALIZE & TAX JOB OUTSOURCERS/OFFSHORERS: 2008 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=978035&cid=25176841 [slashdot.org]
BOGUS POLITICIAN PERFORMANCE: 2008 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=978035&cid=25176955 [slashdot.org]
MS PUTS YOU TO WORK:2006 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174759&cid=14538593 [slashdot.org]
ARSTECHNICA & JEREMY REIMER LOL:2008 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1021733&cid=25675515 [slashdot.org]
CYBERSECURITY LEGISLATIONS:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2222868&cid=36379698 [slashdot.org]
FILTERING ONLINE:2010 -> http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1790178&cid=33610372 [slashdot.org]
APK ON PLANTED SHILLS BY TELECOM/ISP/BSP:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1827308&cid=33940988 [slashdot.org]
TAX THE TAR OUT OF OUTSOURCERS/OFFSHORERS & PENALIZE THEM ALSO #1 of 2: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2795637&cid=39728333 [slashdot.org]
HBGary & Chinese Water Army b.s. posted: 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2615084&cid=38662598 [slashdot.org]
OPERA & MULTITHREADED DESIGN: 2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=290711&cid=20506147 [slashdot.org]
MICROSOFT "FLIPS THE SCRIPT" ON CISPA: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2817555&cid=39833573 [slashdot.org]
Microsoft's MISTAKE in Windows 8 "metro-ized" ready for 3-5 yr. old interface on PC desktops (1 of 2, other is +1): 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3330901&cid=42354181 [slashdot.org]
VLC 64-bit being better than MediaPlayerClassic on Win7 64-bit: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3336253&cid=42378657 [slashdot.org]
Delphi/Object Pascal & C++ vs. NIKLAUS WIRTH PASCAL/KERNIGHAN & RITCHIE C on EfNet IRC failure & possible fix: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3350243&cid=42437411 [slashdot.org]

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+1 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (137) & we AC's start at ZERO, not 1 or 2 like registered users on /. do:

APK SSD/RamDrive/RamDisk usage since 1996:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1014349&cid=25591403 [slashdot.org]
DISASSEMBLY & PROTECTING CODE:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1719570&cid=32907418 [slashdot.org]
APK ON RESERVED PORTS IN WINDOWS:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=235621&cid=19229493 [slashdot.org]
MEMORY FRAGMENTATION: 2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=367219&cid=21434061 [slashdot.org]
NORTON DNS & DNSBL:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2311948&cid=36708742 [slashdot.org]
IRON FILESYSTEMS:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=359507&cid=21347933 [slashdot.org]
APK ROOTKIT KILLING TECHNIQUE USING RC:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2428486&cid=37405530 [slashdot.org]
APK STOPPED CONFICKER BEFORE ANYONE DID:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1159209&cid=27178753 [slashdot.org]
APK ON WINDOWS DFS vs. LINUX COPYING FEATURES LIKE IT:2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=447752&cid=22361236 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS #CPU's SUPPORTED (much higher now in Win7/Srv2k8 now, 256):2009 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1160287&cid=27191729 [slashdot.org]
DISK DEFRAG STRATEGY OPTIONS:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2435272&cid=37443738 [slashdot.org]
APK PART OF ULTRADEFRAG64 PROOF:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2435272&cid=37443252 [slashdot.org]
DATASTRUCTURES & SQL:2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2080454&cid=35794668 [slashdot.org]
BINARY HEAPS:2010 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1686094&cid=32581292 [slashdot.org]
CACHE COHERENCY:2005 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168793&cid=14070783 [slashdot.org]
DELPHI ROCKS VB/VC++:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236049&cid=19261269 [slashdot.org]
MEMORY FRAGMENTATION IN FF:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=367219&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=21434061 [slashdot.org]
CODING PROFESSIONALLY:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170925&cid=14238424 [slashdot.org]
MULTIPLE MESSAGE QUEUES:2010 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1618508&cid=31847246 [slashdot.org]
APK ROOTKIT.COM ON WINDOWS VISTA IPSTACK SECURITY:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1339085&cid=29106629 [slashdot.org]
USING CSC & SCIENCE TOGETHER IN ACADEMIA:2010 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1531366&cid=30971224 [slashdot.org]
PROGRAMMING CONCEPTS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SYNTAX:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1314993&cid=28827429 [slashdot.org]
SSD DECADES OF USAGE:2009 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1273501&cid=28375697 [slashdot.org]
CODING .NET FROM VB:2006 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=176229&cid=14641701 [slashdot.org]
LAMP SECURITY:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2243006&cid=36462748 [slashdot.org]
SLASHDOT "Pro-*NIX" SLANT CONTROVERSY = GOOD:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154725&cid=12974078 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS vs. IBM vs. LINUX ARCHITECTURE STEALING:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=160244&cid=13414756 [slashdot.org]
ADBANNERS & VIRUSES:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169309&cid=14112880 [slashdot.org]
SECURITY BUGS LINUX vs. WINDOWS:2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2247480&cid=36485068 [slashdot.org]
NYSE+LINUX STOCK EXCHANGE LIE BY PENGUINS:2010 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1842764&cid=34046376 [slashdot.org]
APK ON PROCESSEXPLORER & NETSTAT:2009 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1328371&cid=28981169 [slashdot.org]
COMPLETION PORTS + SCHEDULING LINUX vs. WINDOWS:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=160290&cid=13419053 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS vs. LINUX SECURITY ISSUES:2009 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1135717&cid=26948399 [slashdot.org]
LINUX IMITATING WINDOWS:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170126&cid=14177851 [slashdot.org]
LINUX SERVING DUQU ROOTKIT: 2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2551740&cid=38215752 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS vs. Linux SECURITY VULNS UNPATCHED:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2077414&cid=35776848 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS vs. Linux vs. Mac SECURITY VULNS UNPATCHED:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1681772&cid=32524188 [slashdot.org]
APK Windows vs. Linux on UNPATCHED SEC. VULNS:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2059420&cid=35656126 [slashdot.org]
PROOF MS HAD LESS BUGS THAN LINUX/MACOS X:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=173564&cid=14442403 [slashdot.org]
PROOF MS HAD LESS BUGS THAN LINUX/MACOS X:2006 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=173016&cid=14398069 [slashdot.org]
APK USING KDE & LINUX:2010 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1750240&cid=33214838 [slashdot.org]
APK CONGRATS TO LINUX:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170296&cid=14192885 [slashdot.org]
APK KUDOS TO LINUX:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=162921&cid=13614370 [slashdot.org]
LINUX WENT DOWN 2x in LESS THAN 1 YEAR @ London Stock Exchange:2011 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35231358 [slashdot.org]
LINUX SECURITY vs. JAVASCRIPT:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1820234&cid=33892258 [slashdot.org]
CONGRATS TO LINUS TORVALDS ON MILLENIUM PRIZE: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2913441&cid=40308721 [slashdot.org]
KUDOS TO LINUX KERNEL 3.3 - 3.5 & NO BUGS PRESENT: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2995701&cid=40727067 [slashdot.org]
GENETICS PLAYING WITH GOD'S ENGINEERING on mice: 2011 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2581286&cid=38423712 [slashdot.org]
1 GOOD THING ABOUT HACKER/CRACKERS:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1982796&cid=35119212 [slashdot.org]
MINIMUM WINDOWS SERVICES:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=157321&cid=13190570 [slashdot.org]
HIDDEN SECURITY BUGS:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164039&cid=13698742 [slashdot.org]
APK & FIREFOX BUGFIX TEAM:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161697&cid=13526010 [slashdot.org]
WHY OPERA ROCKS:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170983&cid=14242283 [slashdot.org]
OPERA BEST SPEED & SECURITY: 2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1881444&cid=34333966 [slashdot.org]
OPERA "SUPERIOR WARRIOR":2009 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1309763&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=28768721 [slashdot.org]
OPERA=FASTER & MORE SECURE:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=157615&cid=13208800 [slashdot.org]
OPERA "The Superior Warrior" vs. FIREFOX:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=286721&cid=20452183 [slashdot.org]
OPERA:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=233227&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=18969947 [slashdot.org]
OPERA BY SITE PREFS:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1881444&cid=34333758 [slashdot.org]
OPERA 64-BIT "FOR INDEPENDENT SMART PEOPLE" ROUND 1 FOR WINDOWS & MAC RELEASED:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2576256&cid=38388178 [slashdot.org]
OPERA HAS AN ADBLOCK ADDON: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38412366 [slashdot.org]
APK SANDBOXING IE:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236547&cid=19310513 [slashdot.org]
APK ON SANDBOXIE:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1875754&cid=34281930 [slashdot.org]
CHROME NEEDS BY SITE PREFS TO SANITYINANARCHY:2011 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2358734&cid=36946676 [slashdot.org]
DO YOUR BEST WORK OUR YOUNG MENS LIVES RIDE ON IT:2010 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1898806&cid=34472826 [slashdot.org]
STAT I/II SKEWING:2010 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1504756&cid=30711074 [slashdot.org]
SEARCH ENGINES:2005 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=162717&cid=13598832 [slashdot.org]
PORTING CODE:2007 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236367&cid=19291677 [slashdot.org]
DARTH CHENEY POLITICALS:2007 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=237091&cid=19362755 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS EMPLOYS YOU BETTER:2006 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174277&cid=14498965 [slashdot.org]
MS PUTS YOU TO WORK:2005 -> http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169549&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&tid=109&mode=thread&cid=14132540 [slashdot.org]
"666":2008 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=548476&cid=23353722 [slashdot.org]
APK ON HARDCODES & SHELLOPEN ASSOCIATION:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1519842&cid=30854906 [slashdot.org]
DR. DEMENTO SHOW:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1678308&cid=32494990 [slashdot.org]
CA DISREPUTABLE #2 of 2:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34351020 [slashdot.org]
NO PROOF USED BY LOB:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907190&cid=34529734 [slashdot.org]
ON KIDS CODING & ARMCHAIR QB's:2011 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2040490&cid=35508400 [slashdot.org]
FPGA & TERMINATORS:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2341586&cid=36842168 [slashdot.org]
APK ON CHESS:2010 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1877160&cid=34293988 [slashdot.org]
RON PAUL & WIKILEAKS:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907000&cid=34528958 [slashdot.org] /. "CATERING TO CRONIES":2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1664046&cid=32336794 [slashdot.org]
BEING MORE "ALL AROUND" THAN 1 DIMENSIONAL IN IT/IS/MIS:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166174&cid=13863159 [slashdot.org]
GET RID OF S. BALLMER @ MS:2008 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=543962&cid=23310698 [slashdot.org]
COMBO OF CODER/NETWORKER = MOST DANGEROUS HACKER/CRACKER: 2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2590324&cid=38490476 [slashdot.org]
FACEBOOK ENHANCES mySQL: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2643681&cid=38857629 [slashdot.org]
APPSTORE/WALLED-GARDEN DL OF APPS WON'T HELP vs. TODAY'S INFECTION VECTORS: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2655681&cid=38943319 [slashdot.org]
REGISTRY ACCESS WINDOWS 32-BIT vs. 64-BIT in code: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2680271&cid=39093835 [slashdot.org]
2nd REGISTRY ACCESS WINDOWS 32-BIT vs. 64-BIT in code: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2680271&cid=39093873 [slashdot.org]
CHINESE "CYBER-WAR" THREAT: 2012 -> http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2718289&cid=39312311 [slashdot.org]
ON DR. MARK RUSSINOVICH MS DESKTOPS APP & MORE: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2741569&cid=39445275 [slashdot.org]
DEFENDING STEVE GIBSON OF SPINRITE + "SHIELDS UP" vs. DEFAMATION: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2747957&cid=39479257 [slashdot.org]
OS/2 & What I thought was cool about it & when I used it: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2761033&cid=39550525 [slashdot.org]
ActiveX Usage in Korea still "huge": 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2767885&cid=39584683 [slashdot.org]
On "insta-downmods" & /. "fine moderation" (b.s.!): 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2772023&cid=39606941 [slashdot.org]
TAX THE TAR OUT OF OUTSOURCERS/OFFSHORERS & PENALIZE THEM ALSO #2 of 2 + ECONOMIC CLASS 1984-1985: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2795637&cid=39729177 [slashdot.org]
GATTACA #1 of 2: 2012 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2792033&cid=39722291 [slashdot.org]
GATTACA #2 of 2: 2012 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2792033&cid=39711991 [slashdot.org]
ROMAN MARONI (lol) = arth1 "murder of the English Language": 2012 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2773803&cid=39617941 [slashdot.org]
FLASHY FLASH DRIVES: 2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154997&cid=12998477 [slashdot.org]
ROOTKIT CREATORS "GO PRO": 2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=165958&cid=13843462 [slashdot.org]
MS LESS SECURITY ISSUES THAN *NIX in 2005: 2006 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=173564&cid=14441639 [slashdot.org]
OPERA ROCKS & WHY: 2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=233227&cid=18969947 [slashdot.org]
McAfee, Symantec, ClamAV, COMODO, ArcaBit/ArcaVir, & Dr. Web "False Positive" of my "APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++": 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2872677&cid=40107921 [slashdot.org]
Linux "Fine Security" (lol, NOT!) 2011-2012: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2875333&cid=40119001 [slashdot.org]
SAY NO TO MS & SAY NO TO A JOB: 2005 -> http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169549&cid=14132540 [slashdot.org]
"START ME UP" REGARDING WINDOWS 8, METRO, & RIBBONS: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2955431&cid=40538813 [slashdot.org]
GHOSTERY TRUTHS #1: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2931443&cid=40413453 [slashdot.org]
GHOSTERY TRUTHS #2: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2931443&cid=40413493 [slashdot.org]
"DEAR MR. GATES": 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2955431&cid=40536263 [slashdot.org]
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation tax shield: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2957987&cid=40549931 [slashdot.org]
Colorblindness and camouflage: 2012 -> http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3010409&cid=40798555 [slashdot.org]
HBGary and "Freedom of Speech" plus REAL NAMES on forums: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3012595&cid=40811497 [slashdot.org]
Large Projects (millions of lines) vs. TINY ones (200k lines) & rewrite: 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026933&cid=40885035 [slashdot.org]
Native Code/"single stand-alone" non-interpreted code executables are "where it's at": 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40956381 [slashdot.org]
Windows in the "Fortune 100/500" high TPM environs & 99.999% "Fabled '5-9's'" uptime: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3110069&cid=41305947 [slashdot.org]
Brennz bitching about Mikko Hyponnen Security Expert: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3129943&cid=41398979 [slashdot.org]
AntiVirus FALSE POSITIVES (even on themselves) 3-10 examples: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3132237&cid=41402041 [slashdot.org]
Speaking to Naval Information Warfare Officer on China threat: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3156485&cid=41517129 [slashdot.org]
FTC Busts Phone Support Scammers: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3161653&cid=41543619 [slashdot.org]
Polish & Russian = Romulans & Vulcans: 2012 -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3156271&cid=41517631 [slashdot.org]
Good for Mr. T. (Linux kernel 2.7): 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164013&cid=41553831 [slashdot.org]
Building homes, RIGHT: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227591&cid=41863891 [slashdot.org]
CA's breached = 5/6 Linux based: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222433&cid=41835589 [slashdot.org]
I post as AC and get modded up when all my other posts were downmodded: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3186429&cid=41660255 [slashdot.org]
Windows 7 will NOT GET "SERVICE PACK #2": 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3207047&cid=41753975 [slashdot.org]
Opera can do "site specific" preferences vs. online threats (Jeremiah Grossman's only NOW hitting on my idea there): 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3237707&cid=41913801 [slashdot.org]
Linux security blunders 2011-2012: 2012 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3281695&cid=42128897 [slashdot.org]
HIPAA: 2012 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3290685&cid=42171403 [slashdot.org]
Adbanners having malicious code in them: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3299759&cid=42215249 [slashdot.org]
Elevator Algorithm for harddisk drives #1 of 2 (1st's in +3): 2012 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3287917&cid=42156255 [slashdot.org]
Microsoft's MISTAKE in Windows 8 "metro-ized" ready for 3-5 yr. old interface on PC desktops (2 of 2, other is +2): 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3330901&cid=42354749 [slashdot.org]
How to install NVidia DRIVER ONLY (not control panelware stuff too): 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3344029&cid=42407223 [slashdot.org]
DUSTING 'CruTcHy' the NOOB who can't prove his words he's a professional coder & is a "pot calling a kettle black": 2012 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3272015&cid=42125693 [slashdot.org]
How programming changes you into a "nerd" but ANYONE could learn it (& value others too): 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3368605&cid=42530957 [slashdot.org]
THE APOPHIS ASTEROID (what to do to destroy it (how & when)): 2012 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3371057&cid=42541663 [slashdot.org]
CODING BIND/BOUND VARIABLES & USING SQL STORED PROCEDURES on DB engine servers, vs. DirectExecute ExecSQL stuff in front ends: 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3368605&cid=42530471 [slashdot.org]
Using GroupPolicy @ AD Level (via gpedit.msc) or SECPOL.MSC to set NTLMv2 vs. NTLMv1 security vs. penetration: 2012 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3368135&cid=42527187 [slashdot.org]
DOING AN "IRON CROSS" vs. "Gorilla Arm" on touchscreen not making it on PC desktops: 2012 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3361017&cid=42495827 [slashdot.org]

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* THE HOSTS FILE GROUP 41++ THUSFAR (from +5 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):

APPLYING HOSTS TO DIFF. PLATFORM W/ TCP-IP STACK BASED ON BSD: 2008 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1944892&cid=34831038 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1490078&cid=30555632 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30272074 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28197285 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206409&cid=27661983 [slashdot.org]
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1197039&cid=27556999 [slashdot.org]
0.0.0.0 IN HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1143349&cid=27012231 [slashdot.org]
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1198841&cid=27580299 [slashdot.org]
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1139705&cid=26977225 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1319261&cid=28872833 [slashdot.org] (still says INSIGHTFUL)
APK 20++ POINTS ON HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1913212&cid=34576182 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1869638&cid=34237268 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1725068&cid=32960808 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1743902&cid=33147274 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1862260&cid=34186256 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 (w/ facebook known bad sites blocked) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1924892&cid=34670128 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS and BGP +5 RATED (BEING HONEST):2010 http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS FILE MOD UP FOR ANDROID MALWARE:2010 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952 [slashdot.org]
BANNER ADS & BANDWIDTH:2011 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2139088&cid=36077722 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP ZEUSTRACKER:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2059420&cid=35654066 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP vs AT&T BANDWIDTH CAP:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2116504&cid=35985584 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP CAN DO SAME AS THE "CloudFlare" Server-Side service:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2220314&cid=36372850 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS & PROTECT IP ACT:2011 http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2368832&cid=37021700 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2457766&cid=37592458 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP & OPERA HAUTE SECURE:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2457274&cid=37589596 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP vs. botnet: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2603836&cid=38586216 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP vs. SOPA act: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2611414&cid=38639460 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP vs. FaceBook b.s.: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2614186&cid=38658078 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP "how to secure smartphones": 2012 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2644205&cid=38860239 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP "Free Apps Eat your Battery via ad displays": 2012 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2734503&cid=39408607 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP "How I only hardcode in 50 of my fav. sites": 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2857487&cid=40034765 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS vs. TRACKING ONLINE BY ADVERTISERS & BETTER THAN GHOSTERY: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2926641&cid=40383743 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS FOR ANDROID SMARTPHONES: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2940173&cid=40455449 [slashdot.org]
APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 32/64-bit: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3397505&cid=42651965 [slashdot.org]
APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 32/64-bit: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3137925&cid=41429093 [slashdot.org]

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* THE APK SECURITY GUIDE GROUP 18++ THUSFAR (from +5 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):

APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154868&cid=12988150 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 -> http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168931&cid=14083927 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURE SETUP FOR IP STACK:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170545&cid=14211084 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170545&cid=14210206 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY TEST CHALLENGE LINUX vs. WINDOWS:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=267599&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20203061 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=970939&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&no_d2=1&cid=25092677 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1027095&cid=25747655 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=970939&cid=25093275 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE: 2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=970939&no_d2=1&cid=25092677 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=416702&cid=22026982 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1361585&cid=29360367 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2009 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1218837&cid=27787281 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2009 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1135717&cid=26941781 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1885890&cid=34358316 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1638428&cid=32070500 [slashdot.org]
APK SYSTEM TUNING:2010 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1497268&cid=30649722 [slashdot.org]
APK SYSTEM TUNING:2010 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1497268&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30649722 [slashdot.org]
MICROSOFT SECURITY:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546446&cid=31106612 [slashdot.org]

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* That's from the past few years, 2006-2013, not just months...

APK

P.S.=> Now, especially considering you're a KNOWN ADMITTED TROLL around here on /., & from your own mouth:

http://slashdot.org/~gmhowell/journal/266768 [slashdot.org]

That "gets off" on stalking/harassing ME, SPECIFICALLY, here online?

Between THAT much & your /. peers counter-opinions to yours as to the quality of my postings over the years here??

Yea... Riiiiggghhht!

... apk

Re:It would make sense (2)

Dr. Evil (3501) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662869)

Apple is a computer hardware company which moved into consumer electronics and services.

If they really sold software, they'd market MacOS as a Windows replacement. Their strong proprietary model and walled garden has always impaired MacOS's market penetration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems [wikipedia.org] .

Their proprietary OS keeps them from being screwed by a third party.

Motivation (4, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662045)

HP is going in the toilet and keeps talking up the post-PC world, taking a page from Apple's playbook. HP Servers are still a great product, but if HP goes under, the Dell becomes almost the lone supplier of Windows enterprise hardware.

Dell has embraced Linux more and more over the years. And they haven't been pushing Windows 8 tablets as much as other companies. Microsoft needs strong hardware partners to push their ecosystem.

If Dell is suddenly controlled by new investors, you have to wonder what direction they'd take the company. It makes sense for Microsoft to want some say in Dell's future to protect their own interests.

Re:Motivation (2)

afidel (530433) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662079)

IBM is right behind Dell for open server shipments and Cisco with UCS is fairly big at #5.

Re:Motivation (4, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662149)

IBM ships lots of servers, but I'm assuming they're shipping most of those with Red Hat, Oracle Linux, or AIX.

I'm not sure IBM is pushing Windows Server so much.

Re:Motivation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662175)

IBM pushes whatever the customer asks for. They got out from under their delusion that they new best years ago, basically you get what you ask for... at an inflated price.

Re:Motivation (2)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662757)

Actually, most of the Enterprise stuff is going towards Blades and VMWare (or XEN or ...) as the Host OS. The Big Iron doesn't count towards Windows Licensing at all, and those are measured in Volume Licensing/CALs anyways.

Even if I'm installing only ONE server, I'm putting VMWARE between the OS and the hardware. Too many advantages to list here, but the top two are, Abstraction away from specific hardware, Backup (Snapshot). Makes recovery a breeze and as painless as your last snapshot.

Re:Motivation (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662821)

True, but I think most people who run Windows shops have been historically buying Dell or HP servers, where as most shops who run IBM hardware have are Unix shops.

Dell and HP sell blade and VMWare solutions,

Re:Motivation (-1, Troll)

Alex Belits (437) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662855)

Too many advantages to list here, but the top two are, Abstraction away from specific hardware, Backup (Snapshot). Makes recovery a breeze and as painless as your last snapshot.

Translation: "I am a VMWare jockey who juggles snapshot images as a replacement of package manager, backup, configuration management, intrusion detection, disaster recovery, ongoing maintenance, deployment, and everything else, because I don't know anything but Windows".

Re:Motivation (1, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663133)

Translation: "I am a VMWare jockey who juggles snapshot images as a replacement of package manager, backup, configuration management, intrusion detection, disaster recovery, ongoing maintenance, deployment, and everything else, because I don't know anything but Windows".

Translation: "I'm a snobby know-it-all jerk who thinks he can pinpoint exactly who someone is from a quick snippit/summary statement"

I manage or help manage 100+ servers across 20+ Campuses, including a full DR replecated site, and have proper backups, do proper configurations etc etc etc. They are a wide mix of Windows, Linux (my favorite) and BSD variants. I also do my share of desktop support. I didn't include those points in my original statement, because it wasn't needed. It still isn't needed to make my original point, I only make them now to show you how much of an ass you are. Not that you'll care or anything, most asses don't care, which is why they are asses in the first place.

Re:Motivation (-1, Troll)

Alex Belits (437) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663187)

If you can benefit from crutches, it means that you are lame. Nothing else matters.

Same applies to software tools designed as crutches for Windows sysadmins.

Re:Motivation (1, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663271)

What, in your opinion, is a crutch? Don't mention windows in your reply, use general terms. If you mention "windows" or subsititute any word for "Windows" I'll assume you can't define it apart from "windows", making your whole "Windows" usage as a crutch itself. I have a point IF you can define "Crutch" in generic terms.

Re:Motivation (1)

hairyfish (1653411) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663335)

What about software tools designed for Linux admins? Oh wait this is slashdot right, I forgot fundamentally religious some asses can be about their choice of OS.

Re:Motivation (2)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664039)

I'm not sure WTF you are talking about, but I use VMWare because the management tools are loads better than for XEN.

VMs are very useful to those who also know about all the above mentioned management.

You sound like a tool.

Re:Motivation (0)

Alex Belits (437) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664249)

Xen is crap, too.

The whole virtualization fad exists only because Windows has no host partitioning mechanisms, so it's ok to add another layer of absolutely everything (virtual memory, scheduler, filesystem, drivers...) on top of the sorry excuse of OS that is Windows. Full virtualization is an obsolete technology that was used in mainframes and was abandoned when minicomputers replaced them. At this point it's an undead monstrosity, restored back to life by the extreme level of crappiness, only present in the worst general-purpose operating system in existence -- Windows.

Re:Motivation (2)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664305)

Yeah, that's why a bunch of Linux users wrote XEN and put it out under the GPL. Because they wanted to make better host partitioning for Windows users.

You are an utter frigging moron.

Re:Motivation (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662137)

My uncle sells enterprise hardware for HP (used to, they forced him into retirement this year), he constantly tells me that HP is trying to get rid of their consumer hardware business. They want to solely be a services company while selling some enterprise hardware on the side. It looks like Dell is thinking the same thing.

Re:Motivation (3, Interesting)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662259)

And they haven't been pushing Windows 8 tablets as much as other companies.

On the contrary, I think Dell has been pushing Windows 8 tablets much more than others, with the exception of maybe HP. They have been producing Windows tablet PCs since 2008 with the Latitude XT, which as an okay tablet although decidedly 1st generation and way overpriced. Since then they've released a new version almost yearly, and have done a great job marketing them toward businesses. Their Latitude 10 tablets are some of the more appealing tablets out there (I don't know of many other tablets with a user removable battery), and for full Windows 8 tablets they actually managed to get some sane pricing on them... originally going for $670, but then they added an entry level $580 version. As a tablet PC lover I've been more than happy with Dell's support of this device category.

Re:Motivation (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662809)

The only Windows Tablets I've seen in the wild were used by Dell Geeks at a Dell Conference. That being said, I saw more Galaxy Notes and Nexus 7" (saw a number of Windows 8 Tablets). I can also report more issues seen with Win 8 Tablets than I saw with the other Tablets. Granted, this is all anecdotal evidence, but I am not going to get a Windows 8 Tablet anytime soon. I'd rather have an overpriced iPad ... and that is saying something.

If Microsoft was serious about being Apple... (2)

cshark (673578) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662047)

They would be in talks with HP. Just sayin'.

When You Absolutely, Positively... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662081)

"Just sayin'."

When you absolutely, positively want to make sure people reading your post know you are a retard with nothing of value to add.

Re:If Microsoft was serious about being Apple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662211)

i can't see microsoft being interested in hp's printer or IT services businesses. the latter of which would put them in direct competition with a hell of a lot of certified services providers that have built entire businesses around microsoft products and drive a lot of corporate sales for microsoft.

Re:If Microsoft was serious about being Apple... (0)

gtall (79522) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662271)

errr...could you please say it somewhere else?

So no more linux on dell systems bye sever market (3, Interesting)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662049)

So no more linux on dell systems. MS may push there UEFI boot lock in and then say bye bye to a big part of the sever market then.

Re:So no more linux on dell systems bye sever mark (1)

Rob Y. (110975) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663165)

Turns out UEFI boot lock isn't the only impediment to other OS's. Ever try setting up a Windows/Linux dual boot on a system with an OEM copy of Windows and a UEFI boot loader - Windows 7 in this case without boot lock 'security'. It's hard - most linux distros can't set it up out of the box, and even those that can require you to be able to boot the installer from the CD/DVD or flash drive in EFI mode - which is iffy, depending on your firmware. It's possible to install in legacy mode - though the system will not be bootable until you 'convert' it to EFI mode. Prior to converting my brand new Linux Mint 14 installation, I was only able to boot into it by loading grub2 from CD and booting it from there.

After just having spent two hideous weekends getting this to work, I am quite a bit less optimistic for the future of Linux on the desktop. Dual boot setups used to be really easy.

Re:So no more linux on dell systems bye sever mark (1)

Monkey-Man2000 (603495) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663611)

UEFI boot lock in

Why did I read that as "MS may push their UEFI boot-lickin' and then say bye bye to a big part of the server market then"? Oh, I guess it's because my screen is just dirty.

A marriage made in hell (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662057)

I say go for it. Those two companies deserve each other.

Microsoft needs Dell (5, Interesting)

onyxruby (118189) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662063)

Dell is the most loyal company to Microsoft of any of the OEM's and they always play ball. Their efforts on *nix support are minimal and they are legendary for the work they will do try to inspire you to run Windows. With Asian OEM's increasingly dis-enfranchised with Microsoft the need for a partner that isn't going go their own way is paramount.

I wouldn't say things are as bad as around a decade ago when Microsoft bailed out Apple to prevent their bankruptcy. That being said I think a fair argument can be made that Microsoft needs Dell more than Dell needs Microsoft. If your surprised about this investment you haven't been in the industry very long.

Re:Microsoft needs Dell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662357)

Get your facts straight. Apple had 2 billion in the bank when Microsoft invested a few hundred million as a token of commitment to the Mac platform. Apple was FAR from bankruptcy. Steve Jobs just played Bill Gates and used him to buy time so that he could turn the company around.

Re:Microsoft needs Dell (2, Interesting)

Bearhouse (1034238) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662479)

Hmmm, well I've been in the industry for a long, long time...and many things have not so much surprised me as simply amazed me.
Like the slow-motion cluster fuck that IBM made of the original PC-PS/2 & DOS-WIN-OS/2 Intel battlefield.
The astonishing demise of DEC (Digital) and HP, innovative engineering-led companies absorbed by the former beige-box cowboys at Compaq, with the final blow dealt by the lovely Carla.
Don't even get me started on Xerox, who actually marketed a full GUI system before Apple. Worked well too, but was a tad pricy, like the Lisa.

Given the above, I am not surprised that MSFT would invest in Dell.
What interests me is that you seem to think that it's a smart move.

Microsoft does not need Dell. People who buy their products are not driven by hardware choice - in the PC world there is still plenty of that. Despite the various boosters, more than all the other platforms combined...
If Dell went South tomorrow, plenty of hardware manufacturers would pick up the market share overnight, and others would be cutting their own throats to do the same for the enterprise support.

MSFT only bailed out Apple to pre-empt antitrust attacks, (a move that was partially successful, unless you use MS-Office on a Mac)

No, this report, if true, is just yet another sign that the boys in Redmond are running out of good ideas.

Re:Microsoft needs Dell (1)

onyxruby (118189) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663661)

I agree with all of your points that you have made, so no arguments there. You certainly sound like you've been in the industry for a 'long, long time'. As for this being a smart move, I'm inclined to call it more of a strategic move by Microsoft than a smart move. The biggest concern from their point is that for many years Dell has been the number one supplier of computers worldwide.

If they fail, or more likely, if they start to fail and shrink as so many computer companies before them have done that is going to leave a void in the industry. As you pointed out other companies will fill that void. As you point out any number of lesser companies would fill that void. From Microsoft's standpoint those companies are far less likely to have their interests in line with their own.

The last thing Microsoft wants is a number of computer companies growing up and being willing to get serious about not using their products. Legacy companies can't risk their relationship with Microsoft, but up and coming companies have more flexibility in how they do things, especially when they are based out of China.

You certainly remember "Wintel" and everything that meant, and you'll understand my point when I get a bit frustrated having to explain to people new to the industry what that means. Microsoft is just about out of "Wintel's" and just doesn't have that many companies that they can count on anymore.

On a practical side, many of these companies will be more difficult to secure payment from than Dell. Think of it as being a bit like Wal-Mart, they may not pay well, but they /always/ pay on time. There is a lot of value in that for someone that wants to count on a dependable revenue stream.

Re:Microsoft needs Dell (1)

rtb61 (674572) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664771)

Sounds like a straight up financial deal. The M$ buy in, is just to ramp up the price of Dell. Dell has a real problem going forward, all those ODM's that it uses are now pushing selling direct and Dell simply wont be able to compete. M$ could simply get in and get out with a guarantee by Silverlake to make a good percentage, basically Silverlake paying M$ an appearance fee to help sell Dell.

If M$ go hardware and software, at this point in time they will create a Android, Chrome, Linux storm, with all the ODM's looking to fight off the threat of a company that has a record of manipulative deceitful tactics.

Dell ideally want's to sell itself as a front end sales, service and support to one of it's existing major ODM's. The current price with a downward trend makes it a tough sell. Likely a vulture capitalist move would be the most profitable. Use credit derived from Dells current share value to buy up an existing major ODM, shift the debt to the ODM, ramp up the perceived value of the new combined manufacture and sales , with enormous savings. Sack a bunch of people, squeeze out service and support, inflate new returns upon investment, with the fudge of debt reducing investment, to show huge increases and sell, sell, sell. The whole lot then goes belly up with too much debt and inflated executive salaries.

ring ring (5, Funny)

vlm (69642) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662143)

ring ring
Dell support this is "John" how may I help you?
Ah hi John, this is Steve at microsoft I'd like to open a support ticket because I'm having trouble transferring $3B as part of a private equity buyout.
OK Steve while I do the needful opening a support ticket I have some tasks for you, I was wondering if you could reboot the computer.
Well John the problem is on your website, I'm trying to paypal you $3M and I'm getting an error message about ..
Please do the needful Steve and simply click the start button, then shutdown...
No John this is windows 8 there is no start button anymore
Oh so sorry Steve let me pull up the correct script... Ah I see you are needing to restore windows from your install partition, which will reinstall all the crapware and drivers and a unpatched version of windows from 2010 complete with 57 varieties of security hole, but we don't charge extra for that.
OK John (Steve humors John, and fumbles around for his iPad to use instead, pretending just so they can get past the script)
I'm not really sure where to go with this, other than it should probably end with "steve" from microsoft throwing a chair, or "developers develpers developers" or somesuch nonsense.

Re:ring ring (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662431)

Wait a minute... how did Steve get past the automated help system to talk to a real person?

Re:ring ring (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664381)

Probably by screaming (profanities|about developers).

Seriously, though, some IVR systems can detect stress levels in the caller's voice, or are programmed to trigger on certain keywords that indicate they may be about to lose a customer. For instance, the quickest way to get to an AppleCare CSR is apparently via the f-bomb [forbes.com] .

Being Dell, though, I hear pressing 0 a bunch of times works.

Apple investment (-1, Offtopic)

Dins (2538550) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662193)

Reminds me of the time they invested $150 Million in Apple. At the time I took it as an attempt to diffuse talk of them stealing Mac OS for Windows. Doesn't really apply here, but almost has the same feel.

Re:Apple investment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664257)

At the time I took it as an attempt to diffuse talk of them stealing Mac OS for Windows.

Stealing MacOS for Windows? Did you do a lot of drugs in the late 90's?

Microsoft invested in Appleand committed to putting out a new version of Office for Mac in order to ensure Apples existance. Apple being around offered proof of a viable alternative to Microsoft to point to anytime anyone started throwing around microsoft-monopoly lawsuit talks, which was happening a lot at the time, noteably by some folks in congress.

Re:Apple investment (4, Informative)

warrigal (780670) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664379)

Actually...
Jobs, on his return, wanted to be rid of all the lawsuits between Apple and Microsoft.
The biggie was the presence of Apple's Quicktime code in Windows (because of a contractor's shortcut).
The end-result of the negotiations was that Apple would keep IE as the default browser, MS would continue to write Office for Mac for at least 5 years and would invest $150Mill in non-voting Apple stock (which they later sold at a profit).
People not knowing the facts simply invented reasons for the investment that suited them.

Re:Apple investment (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664939)

And you think MS couldn't have kept the quicktime issue tied up on court for a decade? At a time when Apple had no competitive OS and was hemmorhaging $1B/year? MS's investment restored a ton of confidence in Apple. Without that, things were looking very bleak for Apple.

I think keeping Apple around as the Monopoly foil was very influential in MS's decision to settle with a large investment and promise of upkeep instead of stringing along a floundering company in court.

What would Michael Dell do? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662331)

"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders,"

Beware of History it might just repeat itself. (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662747)

"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders,"

To be fair that quote was back in 1997 and Apple was $17 a share it has lost 20 times that in the last three months, and that was 4 years before the ipod changed Apple. Steve Jobs had only just returned to Apple...after the buyout of Next.

Ironically the 1995 Steve Jobs complained how Apple milked the Macintosh for profits and left itself vulnerable to disruption and market share collapse...fortunately Apple wouldn't do that again.

Why bother? (2)

Andy_R (114137) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662363)

If Microsoft wants a PC manufacturing business, why not just finish off the job they have already started and set one up themselves? They already have the product design, retail links and manufacturing capability in place from the Surface Pro, all it would take is launching a desktop or two (and possibly some servers) to flesh out the range and they would be all set to compete with Dell, for far less than $3Bn.

I'm no fan of Microsoft, but I can see big corporate buyers attaching more value to a Microsoft branded PC than an identically specified Dell branded one, on name alone.

The real issue here is the potential for monopoly abuse, Dell's current bulk deal for Windows might already be so good that it would be an unfair subsidy if they were owned by MSFT.

Re:Why bother? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662499)

If Microsoft wants a PC manufacturing business, why not just finish off the job they have already started and set one up themselves? They already have the product design, retail links and manufacturing capability in place from the Surface Pro, all it would take is launching a desktop or two (and possibly some servers) to flesh out the range and they would be all set to compete with Dell, for far less than $3Bn.

I know you have the intellectual ability to perform additions. Would you please perform by yourself these 3-4 million additions by tomorrow for a margin of 0.5% profit?

Re:Why bother? (1)

ADRA (37398) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664633)

1. Microsoft has a very tenuous relationship with their OEM's that can only be balanced with deep discounts for OEM's windows licenses. If Microsoft bought dell tomorrow, wouldn't that put them in substantial channel conflict? One could argue that Samsung's toe waggle with Tizen is a hedge against Google/Motorola locking down the android a market (dumb idea for any involved) and running away like bandits.
2. The desktop market is shrinking (very slowly), and losing one more player from the open playing field doesn't re-enforce their struggle to stay relevant in a world that seems to be finding any way possible to stop paying the microsoft tax on products that many don't want to use. Sure, someone will eventually fill that market share for so long, but at the end of the day, the PC market place will only stay healthy and competitive if there are the right amount of players with skin in the game.

Regulators should never allow this (5, Funny)

bitt3n (941736) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662397)

between Dell's unbeatable reputation for sleek, innovative, high-margin technological wizardry, and Microsoft's remarkable ability to bring such inimitable mix of elegant simplicity and raw sex-appeal to new markets as puts their rabid fan base into a swoon, every other player in the industry would doubtless close down and give the money back to their shareholders.

this might be a good purchase in comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662425)

What I'd like to know is whether Microsoft is planning to oust out all the poems by taking complete control of dell, or whether it is a strategic move on part of Microsoft to make sure that they steer project orphelia in their direction to have a windows flavour rather than an android flavour.

They might be thinking that with kinect they have solved the input peripherals problem.

New Dell Features by Microsoft! (2)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662483)

They removed the Start (power) button.

$50 min-remote pc threat worked wonders (3, Interesting)

RichMan (8097) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662539)

Dell had threatened to make nice cheap $50 appliance that connected to a host OS in the cloud.

That threat seems to have produced a nice response from the NW.

Re:$50 min-remote pc threat worked wonders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662913)

I think you're on to something - silly thing is, there is no stopping the onslaught of ARM based devices that connect to your HD tv... $3B is more enough to compete in the HW space directly, why get further involved with a fading company?

Re:$50 min-remote pc threat worked wonders (1)

pbjones (315127) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664405)

AFAIK the device is not available yet, like it's final total cost per desktop.

Clearly MS wants to be faux-Apple (1)

Dracos (107777) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662549)

Apple has complete control over their production pipeline, software and hardware.

Microsoft has historically only handled the software part of the pipeline, while letting the OEMs take care of hardware.

Microsoft now looks at Apple and sees that the full-pipe model is viable and wants to cut out the middle man, the OEM.

Instead of building the hardware part of the pipe for themselves, they do things like poison Nokia or take a stake in Dell, because they perceive subversive paths to be cheaper and quicker.

MS wants to be a full-on hardware vendor now, expanding beyond game consoles and PC peripherals. Zune, Kin, Surface, it all leads here.

If MS owns enough of Dell to exert control, how will the other OEMs react? Their symbiotic business model with Microsoft will become hostile pretty quick.

Not enough to exert control only influence (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662615)

Apple has complete control over their production pipeline, software and hardware.

Microsoft is not buying Apple, its simply buying a seat on its board [a position of *influence*] with enough money to lock Dell down with Golden handcuffs, so its less building its own hardware...more making sure it sells locked [police state] Microsoft products and does not start selling Android or god forbid tries to do something innovative ironically like completely control their production pipeline, software and hardware...maybe using Linux.

Re:Clearly MS wants to be faux-Apple (1)

Abreu (173023) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664433)

Zune, Kin, Surface, it all leads here.

If at least one of those was the least bit successful, your argument would be a little bit less ridiculous.

Dell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662555)

If dell is sold to microsoft they will screw it up just like they did windows 8.

Question for the finance people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662695)

So if the investors put up 5-7B in equity, and borrow the remaining 15B, how is that money "borrowed?"

Is it raised by selling new Dell shares, thereby diluting existing shareholder value? Or, is it borrowed by the private equity firms selling new shares in their own companies?

Ah the magic of financial innovation (1)

mbkennel (97636) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663477)

It is borrowed from the company they are going to acquire! They borrow it, and make it an obligation of the company they are about to acquire!

As a result of course to meet the cash flow demands it is all about short-term cost cuts, abandoning R&D and new initiatives, oursourcing, etc.

"Or, is it borrowed by the private equity firms selling new shares in their own companies?"

What? you think the private equity firms risk Their OWN Money? Silly rabbit, risk is what Other People's Money is for.
(Well, they do risk some capital, but only what they put in, not wipe-the-whole-firm-out bankruptcy risk)

3bil? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42662697)

Well, that's only half the amount they spend on people to shill /.

Richmond apples (1)

daniel23 (605413) | about a year and a half ago | (#42662853)

There could be some shareholder influence into this all. On Dell's part I heard M. Dell aims to get rid off shareholder's pressure for stable quarterly results in order to restructure Dell, and therefore the buyout.
And then I guess Steve "Chair" Ballmer heard that "look at Apple!" too often. They took some inspiration from Cuppertino already and while it was mostly desktop features in the past they now try to copy business model features like controlling both hardware and software.
It's not just mice any more, Nokia, Surface, Dell. Looking at the margin Apple manages to cash in and with the pc market developing limits to the perspective of endless expansion MS might hope to U-turn the course and try to become an Apple 2.0.
Will it work? I doubt it, there is a chance they fail to reach Pure Apple status and end as apple puree instead.
Licensing OSX for Apple hardware only has been a cornerstone of Apple's strategy, will we see a MS replica of this?
Remember what they did to fight DrDos, will MS have the upright, straight character to withstand the temptations to tweak win(n+1) just a little bit to make it run just a tad faster on MS hardware? Will you believe them when they put an honest face on saying "nooo, we didn't and we wouldn't, ever..."?
MS as a producer of "standard" OS and software grew up together with that multitude of hardware makers that developed "standard" hardware, with both sides defining standard on each other.
Then Linux grew up and it now runs on everything that knows how to 01 + 01 = 10. A different approach to becoming standard and it succeeded, there is no windows for wristwatches, no windows for routers, etc. The pc "standard" is on it's way into marginality. Less important to defend that stronghold.
I see it as an motion of retreat when MS now tries to follow Apple, producing harware and OS/software. It will (further) alienate established hardware producers and it will open up fields fpr Linux on the desktop.

 

Re:Richmond apples (1)

vakuona (788200) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663653)

Why can't Dell, the founder of the damn company, convince his board and other shareholders that taking a short-termist view is ultimately contrary to their interests, and that he has no interest in running the company to please day traders and others looking for the stock to make quick quarter-on-quarter gains so that they can dump the stock onto some poor buyers just before it tanks again when it becomes clear that the last huge profit number was a one-off due to some accounting trick that Dell found to employ.

Love or hate Steve Jobs, but he made cold hard decisions that many people questioned in 1997, and since, and he managed to make the company genuinely successful.

Where are the leaders? Basically, to take the company private, Dell has to pay over the odds (Dell is still a going concern), and although he might make all that money back if his plan work, he is hamstringing himself. He should use his goodwill to force change through.

Bye bye Windows 7 (1, Informative)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663007)

You already can't get Windows 7 period on some of their laptop line. Now, I guess we can say good-bye to Windows 7 and have to purchase the upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 7 aftermarket, and they will probably tell us that voids the warranty.

Windows7 Still Available on Dell Business Machines (1)

C0L0PH0N (613595) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664171)

Are you ok with a Dell business machine? If you go to the Dell website and look at ANY business machine (Optiplex, Vostro, Dimension, Latitude), either desktop or laptop, they are listed across the board with Windows 7. Windows 8 is not in sight. I think it will be a long time before businesses are ready for the Windows 8 nonsense.

The drastic discounts make sense now. (2)

QA (146189) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663489)

I recently purchased around 50k in Dell servers. Sat on the fence awhile and my rep kept discounting and discounting. Original configurations added up to about 65k, (self configured on the website was much higher). He wanted that end of quarter sale very badly.
As well, I recently investigated Dells new AppAssure backup software. They bought out the original company in Feb I believe. Long story short, I paid 48% of the original quote which was 12k for 7 server / 100 workstation licenses.

I wonder if the push is on to get those end of quarter results up to enhance earnings for a potential sale?

Makes sense to me.... (1)

erp_consultant (2614861) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663783)

Dell and Microsoft have had a long and close business relationship. If Dell ends up going private equity then Microsoft wants a seat at the table, so to speak. My feeling is that Dell has quietly conceded the consumer market to Apple and Samsung. Sure, they still sell in that market but their bread and butter is the corporate market. Just like Microsoft. So Microsoft wants to protect that partnership by having some influence in the direction of a private equity led Dell.

well, this worked out so well. . . (1)

jafac (1449) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663871)

. .. after microsoft invested in Apple.
#amiright?

commercial sense (1)

pbjones (315127) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664395)

MS needs companies like DELL and HP because these companies are putting MS product onto business and Govt desktops. Without these companies, Linux and MacOS would get a bigger foot hold in these big buying areas.

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