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Microsoft Surface Pro Arrives Feb. 9

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the because-everybody's-clamoring-for-more-expensive-tablets dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes "According to Microsoft, the Surface Windows 8 Pro will be available for purchase on Feb. 9 in the U.S. and Canada. As anticipated, the Surface Pro will be slightly thicker than the Surface with Windows RT, and will weigh about two pounds. The tablet is powered with an Intel Core i5 processor and 4GB of memory. It also includes an 802.11 a/b/g/n dual band Wi-Fi, a stylus for pressure-sensitive input, dual 720p HD webcams, a full-sized USB 3.0 port, microSDXC slot, and mini DisplayPort. Since the Surface Pro runs Windows 8 Pro, it will work with your corporate infrastructure, as well as any older apps that you used on Windows XP to 7. In terms of pricing, the 64GB version will cost $899 while the 128GB will set you back by $999."

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And? (-1, Offtopic)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663553)

The sky is still blue and the sea is still wet. So?

Re:And? (0)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663577)

And I back up that fine 1st with this - google is your friend - HP tx2500. Nothing new here. Move along.

Re:And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663667)

HP Pavilion tx2500 Series

  We're sorry, this product is no longer available

Re:And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663777)

Not to mention that it was a huge piece of crap, that would eventually overheat and die due to bad design.

Re:And? (3, Interesting)

BLToday (1777712) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663713)

Except the HP TX2500 series were some of the crappiest laptops I've ever used. We bought 8 of them for the office and within 18 months half of them died. They were hot, the screens were dim, and the stylus was never accurate. Plus, it came with Windows Vista.

Re:And? (0)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663913)

Install 7 then, it runs cooler. You can stop the FUD right now, I played Oblivion at native 18+fps on this, for a year and a bit!

Also, there's this thing called "calibration". It worked. Also, how long ago were they made? What does this add? We don't know how hot it runs, yet, or how reliable it is. All the logic behind the screen, in a traditionally hot place? Are you sure you agree with them that that's a good idea? We'll see.

Re:And? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664263)

The TX2500 uses a Turion CPU...that's like Pentium-M level performance.

And Oblivion? Really? That game is almost a decade old. The fact that you only get a horrid 18fps in it shows how crappy that computer is.

Re:And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664417)

Without a gpu, surface pro isn't going to do much better.

Re:And? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664525)

Surface Pro has an Ivy Bridge Core i5 with an integrated Intel HD 4000 GPU. It's not very powerful, but it's much more powerful than the ATI HD 3200 in the TX2500.

Intel HD 4000 benchmark [videocardbenchmark.net]
ATI Radeon HD 3200 benchmark [videocardbenchmark.net]

According to Notebookcheck.net, the Intel HD 4000 pull 30+ fps in Mass Effect 3 at 1366x768, maximum detail with AA and 4X anisotropic filtering. They also show that it can get around 40 fps in Skyrim in low detail.

Re:And? (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664655)

The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion was a 2 year old game when the tx2500 was released.

Re:And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664821)

And it ran like shit on a computer released two years later.

Re:And? (2)

BLToday (1777712) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664595)

Calibration doesn't help much. The screen is very inaccurate on as you approach the edge of the screen. I'm probably off about 2 mm within 1 inch of the edge.

Re:And? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664761)

Install 7 then, it runs cooler.

Can you still get 7 legally?

Re:And? (1)

smg5266 (2440940) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663921)

The screen on mine cracked 3 times. Thankfully I had been coerced into a Staples accidental damage warranty which replaced it the first 2 times, and by the third, they just gave me cash for the original cost of the laptop ($1200!). I went and bought the HP tm2. It's a successor to the tx2500, but has an intel core i5, discrete graphics card (albeit the weakest one made, but still), and a snazzy new (2 years ago) capacitive touch screen. It even had a fairly pain free linux install. Too bad HP's "successor" to the tm2 is an intel atom shitbook.

Re:And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664205)

HP makes shit quality computers. Also, you look like a dude.

Re:And? (1)

Rosyna (80334) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663587)

It doesn't come with a hardware keyboard or Office (unlike the Surface RT)

Not at those prices (3, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663745)

It doesn't come with a hardware keyboard or Office (unlike the Surface RT)

At the prices quoted it does the Surface Pro does not come with a keyboard at all :) those are sold separately.

Re:Not at those prices (0)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663989)

Wait, what, it doesn't come with a keyboard at all? Not even a touchscreen one for free?

Oh dear, look at that. The inevitable conclusion of the EU meddling with integral bits of the OS... don't forget, the Tablet Extensions were an add-on, not standard, before a certain date!

Re:Not at those prices (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664631)

Oh, of course it comes with an on-screen keyboard; all versions of Windows have that even in non-touchscreen devices. Grandparent poster was talking about the Touch Cover and Type Cover, which are available but apparently not included.

Let the bashing begin! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663563)

I'll start: this thing is too expensive for what it is.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663717)

Makes the Macbook air just as outrageous

Not the same thing (2, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663817)

Makes the Macbook air just as outrageous

...and it is. Except that Apple is desirable, but the top selling laptop on Amazon right now is the chromebook http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Laptop-Computers/zgbs/electronics/565108/ref=pd_ts_zgc_e_565108_morl?pf_rd_p=1306419382&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=2956501011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1RB1ZW709NBS28NH1KWN [amazon.com] selling for a third of the cheapest surface.

Re:Not the same thing (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664367)

It might be a third less because it uses a shitty ARM CPU, has half the RAM, one eighth the amount of storage space, no touchscreen, no pen input, no memory card slot, lower resolution and weighs more than the Surface Pro.

Functionally the same (4, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664521)

It might be a third less because it uses a shitty ARM CPU, has half the RAM, one eighth the amount of storage space, no touchscreen, no pen input, no memory card slot, lower resolution and weighs more than the Surface Pro.

No its a third...as in you can but three of them for the same price as Surface. Pro. It comes with 100GB of cloud storage...and has a memory card slot. runs a lightweight OS [and can run Ubuntu too :). Other than touch-screen something I want...if I can get android compatibility, but that has been announced on the next chrome book there is embarrassingly little in it.

...but your right it is not exactly the specifications, but functionally very similar, and has advantages cost being the most glaring.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (0, Troll)

ahabswhale (1189519) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664117)

Except the MBA fucking rocks. It doesn't try to be a tablet and a laptop. It's a very light laptop, that's all it cares to be, and it's damn good at it.

The Surface Pro isn't good at anything.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (4, Insightful)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664301)

"The Surface Pro isn't good at anything."

Or so you've read and like to repeat on the internet.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (4, Insightful)

ahabswhale (1189519) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664421)

Oh, you think I'm just spewing what everyone else is saying? That's true but only because it is true. Here's why...

It's design sucks. A device can only be really good at one thing. This is not a new principle to design but pretty much the fucking foundation of industrial design.

Want more?

It's too heavy, expensive and crappy on battery power to be a good tablet, and it doesn't have a real keyboard or adequate screen size to make it a good laptop. Basically, they've built a "laplet" (or "tabtop", if you prefer). Unfortunately for Microsoft, nobody has ever asked for a laplet. This thing will fail even bigger than the Surface RT.

Like I said, it sucks. Even Microsoft is starting to realize it so they've already decided to drop the price by $100.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (3, Interesting)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664953)

I'd say the main reason it "sucks" is OS. It's still a horrifying chimera of desktop and tablet, and does neither thing well. Hardware itself actually looks good enough for what I would use it for, if a bit pricy. But I'm not into tablets anyway.

That said if I were, that actually looks good. Solid build, essentially a laptop inside the screen with attachable keyboard. I can see this replacing an ultrabook for those who want to replace one with a tablet, but need x86.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (0)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665263)

My Leatherman Skeletool is an example on how near sighted you are about design. Its blade isn't as heavy duty as a dedicated big knife. It's screwdriver isn't as comfortable as my big screwdriver or as easy to use as my power screwdriver but it's always with me so I use it far more often than the dedicated tools.

Have you spent more than 10 minutes playing with an RT? The design is brilliant. It is a very good tablet either with the keyboard folded back or snapped off. I often hear people complain that it can't be used in a lap and I assume these are people who have also not really tried one. Mine works great on my lap and on the airplane etc. Only complaint I have is that it doesn't work with my Garmin GPS watch to load the data (no drivers) and it doesn't have a pen. Surface Pro fixes those. Sure it only has about 5 hours battery life but that's plenty for a flight across the country or a long commute.

I spent much of the 2000s playing with and wanting various Tablet PCs. Having a mobile art device with a real Wacom pen has always been a goal. This still isn't perfect but even the haters (maybe not yourself) should admit that it's a solid V1.0 product, especially for Microsoft.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (3, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664751)

The Surface Pro isn't good at anything.

Surface Pro is the best tablet that can run x86 applications. Show me another machine that is as thin, light, and powerful with a stylus. You can't.

I'll also save you the trouble of reading two replies to your posts....

It's too heavy, expensive and crappy on battery power to be a good tablet

You might say a tablet is defined by being thin and light and having all day battery life, but that's different from what I want in a tablet. I want a stylus for writing. Surface Pro has this, 90% of tablets today don't. I want ports for USB drives, portable harddrives, video out. Surface Pro has this, 90% of tablets today don't. I want an SD card slot for expansion and swapping cards. Surface Pro has this, 90% of tablets today don't. Hell even Google's Nexus tablets don't have this. So in my book, Surface Pro is the only real tablet out there. It all depends on the user's needs. The Surface pro is a little thicker and heavier than iPad (.5 lbs and .5") but the tradeoff is more power with an i5 and compatibility with millions of applications and devices. So great for you if your iPad or Android tablet is thinner and lighter and lasts all day. I don't care because they are as useless as rocks for my needs, and I'll gladly pay $899 for a tablet that does what I want.

and it doesn't have a real keyboard or adequate screen size to make it a good laptop.

What about this [microsoft.com] isn't a "real" keyboard? Or the infinite variety of bluetooth keyboards or wired USB keyboards that can be plugged in? I also fail to see how 10.6" is not an adequate screen size but 11.6" on the Macbook Air somehow is. That extra 1" is the threshold? I might similarly say the Macbook Air has inadequate resolution (1366×768 vs 1920x1080 on Surface Pro). Or that Macbook Air is too heavy (2.38lbs vs 2.01lbs). Or too thick (0.68" vs 0.5"). Or too expensive ($999 vs $899).

Re:Let the bashing begin! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42665143)

The thing is a piece of shit destined to bomb in the marketplace. All the shilling in the world won't change that. Just like it didn't for windows phone 7.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664881)

Except the MBA fucking rocks.

Wow i must have bought the wrong one! It's a good computer but I'm not sure i can get that excited about it.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (4, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663877)

Yeah, but this has a kickstand. A kickstand! Aren't those all the rage with the kids these days?

Re:Let the bashing begin! (1)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664781)

I put a kickstand on my bike, and all the neighborhood kids are amazed by it. They never even heard of one. I was just tired of finding something to lean it on.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (2)

Billlagr (931034) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664971)

I'm going to try that! I put a playing card on with a clothes peg to make motorbike sounds as I rode..but a kickstand! Genius!

Re:Let the bashing begin! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663943)

At those prices and h/w specs it looks like it's not aimed at the MS Store tire kicker crowd, but at corporate road warriors and possibly college situations where the professor "recommends" that students get a Surface Pro.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (4, Funny)

webmistressrachel (903577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664025)

Why would any professor worth his salt "Recommend" his students be locked into a device for consumption rather than one that more freely enables co-operation and creativity? Because that's not education is for, that's why.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664121)

I'm not an MS fan but .NET is by far the best environment for developing rich desktop GUI apps, with the option of database connectivity. And MS is right up there with the necessary patent deals you need to play in the streaming video space.

Tablets could be a natural classroom accessory for technical fields of study. Instead of showing Power Point decks, profs could beam rich slides and video clips to hundreds of students toting these tablets.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (4, Insightful)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664133)

Why would any professor worth his salt "Recommend" his students be locked into a device for consumption

in other words, an iPad.

rather than one that more freely enables co-operation and creativity?

Or, in other words, a Surface Pro.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (1)

BronsCon (927697) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664163)

And that's why one would recommend a tablet that runs a full desktop OS and can, in fact, function as a proper laptop for 99% of users with the addition of a simple keyboard. Android, as much as I love it, can't do that; iOS, as much as Apple users adore it, can't either.

Re:Let the bashing begin! (4, Insightful)

steelfood (895457) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665071)

No, it's not expensive. It's just plain useless.

Windows RT was a dismal failure, and Windows 8 will be equally disastrous. It fails on the touch front and on the mouse and keyboard front. Having tried it extensively, allow me to name the ways:

Touch:
1) The Metro home screen is the only touch-friendly aspect of it. However, it is filled with useless Microsoft apps that can't function without an internet connection and are tied to largely inferior Microsoft internet services.
2) It has the usual miserable Windows software keyboard and handwriting recognition, with fairly limited support.
3) Outside of Metro, the remainder is the usual touch-unfriendly Windows interface meant for a mouse and keyboard, where fat fingers will simply fail. This is what gets me the most. If the thing is a touchscreen, then it should be configured out of the box to be touch-friendly. Instead, it is configured as un-touch-friendly as possible. And worse, while you can say switch Explorer to use large icons on a grid instead of the list or details view, many screens simply don't have a touch-friendly interface.
4) The edge swiping is annoying and easy to do accidentally, The left edge "screen list" is useful, but only to bring up Metro apps.
5) Having to go to Metro just to access the swipe that will bring up a button to get to the list of programs is painfully clunky. The bottom swipe should be active on the desktop screen, and it should be the list of applications, not an extra button.
6) The right swipe should have been able to access the entire control panel, but instead, it's largely useless.

On the mouse and keyboard front:

1) The Metro UI and swiping is as horrible as expected. Some things have Metro and old Windows equivalents, but most do not. It's incredibly annoying to switch between mouse and keyboard, and touch, and that's pretty much what's necessary to use Metro.
2) And I don't think I need to mention that you can't even get to your software list without going through Metro, which is already a three step affair even by touch.
3) It doesn't come with the cover, which is another $150.

Oh, and did I mention that you have to "activate" Windows before you can use some of its functionality? It's hardware made by Microsoft but there's somehow still a chance copy of Windows on it can be a bootleg. Activation is automatic with an internet connection, fortunately, but it's ridiculous that it's even necessary.

I expect Windows 8 to be slightly better than RT, in that it can run traditional apps. And there are third-party programs to minimize the damage Metro causes for those who want to do useful work with it. But that's about as good as it'll get. It's still a touch disaster, and a fairly useless "entertainment" device (RT comes with Office, but no games preinstalled).

Microsoft needs to shape up if they want to even have a shot at the tablet market. They possess a split personality disorder both on the UI front and on the developer front that they very much need to ditch. If they can't seem to figure out what kind of machine it is (or develop a separate "personality" for each purpose), nobody else will be able to. And people will avoid it.

For starters, they're going to have to revamp the entire look-and-feel of their tablet Windows to be touch-centric. It'll be easy to go from touch back to mouse and keyboard, because the mouse is just a very, very fine finger. But they need to commit to it, instead of leaving half of the screens in the old Windows UI and the other (useless) half touch-friendly.

And they'll have to include the keyboard out of the box. The software keyboard is a stinking manure pile. Nobody's going to buy a Surface/Pro without an external keyboard. Nobody's going to touch Windows RT/8 without a real keyboard.

Portable work devices are rarely perpetually-connected, while entertainment devices are usually connected. Including Office with RT to make it a useful work device was genius, but not including any games was equally boneheaded stupid.

Only if they can fix the split personality disorder in the rumored Windows 8.1, could it be a useable OS. Otherwise, it'll just be another disaster.

Looking forward to this. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663595)

Mostly because work is buying me one.

Re:Looking forward to this. (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663775)

Mostly because work is buying me one.

And quite frankly, that is the market that this tablet is aimed at. Everybody expectant it to be a dud. But I'm not so sure.
It may well take off where there is a need to run tightly integrated software that ties into corporate environment, but which is not so mainstream that it would attract lots of developers wanting to port it to RT, or it is so customized or so proprietary that there is simply no market for an RT port.

Of course, lots of C++/C# apps are source level portable to RT via a simple recompile. However not everything in the corporate world is written in those languages, or, the original coder has moved on, and (like most C applications) the application became unmaintainable for anything but emergency patches.

Re:Looking forward to this. (1)

symes (835608) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664269)

If the pressure sensitive stylus works well then I will want one of these. I am truly fed up with all the paper wasted just so I can make temporary notes on a piece of paper. It will be interesting to see what integration with MS 360 offers, or whatever it is called.

Re:Looking forward to this. (2)

Ambassador Kosh (18352) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665037)

This is the big thing. I would love a tablet that I can take real notes on. Especially one where I can enter mathematical notes.

Every tablet I have looked at has been very bad to taking notes on. They just don't have the accuracy required. This tablet even runs a full windows of windows which means I could take notes and still use applications like matlab and excel.

Re: Looking forward to this. (1)

inputdev (1252080) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665237)

I have to agree here as well. You can't write on an iPad as it is. I'm curious about the Galaxy Note series - anybody know how good the stylus is? Resolution or input rates? I think frame rates of apps are too low for handwriting, so the hardware will have to help. I'm thinking around mouse rates 1sample/8ms might be enough.

For Work. (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663851)

Mostly because work is buying me one.

...I'm sure I would not want to work on this all day.

Re:For Work. (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664035)

Mostly because work is buying me one.

...I'm sure I would not want to work on this all day.

News Flash: Business learned long ago that there are different tools for different jobs. This is why you seldom see mail clerks riding among the cubicles on horseback.

Any reason to mention ponies. (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664579)

News Flash: Business learned long ago that there are different tools for different jobs.

That is not even remotely true, it generally buys thousands of identical large dull brand boxies, of the lowest specifications, and may or may not roll out a new OS or browser every 10 years...and to be perfectly honest would prefer working on one of those to that. I think business is the wrong market for this product.

Re:Any reason to mention ponies. (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664657)

You obviously have very little business experience. I've worked in several large enterprise environments and what you're stating is blatantly false in my experience. Typically there will be a standard desktop, a tower system, a couple of laptop models, and OS updates happen when ready, meaning once they've been certified to run said organization's software.

I already have clients rolling out Windows 8. I would not be surprised to see the Surface Pro sell reasonably well in the enterprise.

No time to comment (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663621)

OMG gotta go get in line for it!!!

Success story! (3, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663629)

After the stunning success of the original Surface tablet, Microsoft releases its successor, codenamed "Rodents of Unusual Size".

Re:Success story! (0, Redundant)

jkiller (1030766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664105)

After the stunning success of the original Surface tablet, Microsoft releases its successor, codenamed "Rodents of Unusual Size".

Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.

Re:Success story! (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664485)

After the stunning success of the original Surface tablet, Microsoft releases its successor

The Surface Pro will likely be much more successful than the RT. It runs win32, win64 and Modern UI apps natively & seamlessly integrates with Active Directory - Key features for business that the RT can't do...

Win8 != Corporate Infrastructure (2)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663731)

At $LARGE_US_BANK we are only STARTING to roll Win7 out to the great unwashed. We still need IE6 for about half the bank's applications.

Saying that Win8 is for corporate America is just masturbation.

Re:Win8 != Corporate Infrastructure (4, Insightful)

Holi (250190) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663803)

Because your bank isn't using it, that means no corp will. Is that your point?

Re:Win8 != Corporate Infrastructure (3, Informative)

ahabswhale (1189519) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664099)

This is why I will never write code at a bank. The dullest environment ever.

Re:Win8 != Corporate Infrastructure (3, Insightful)

mattack2 (1165421) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664327)

So, that means your bank did stupid, browser-specific sites rather than using web standards.

Re:Win8 != Corporate Infrastructure (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664415)

Yes and I bet your bank is still using shit written in COBOL. Just because you work for a place that uses ancient tech doesn't mean most companies do.

at that price it needs at least 8gb ram (2)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663737)

at that price it needs at least 8gb ram

Re:at that price it needs at least 8gb ram (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663899)

Seems like a perfectly good $300 computer, but I wouldn't pay $900+ for it.

Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663757)

Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? as in NOT in a VM,

Re:Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663843)

Not sure about XP (which isn't compatible with UEFI- that standard didn't exist until 2005), but it can run the others.

Re:Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? (0)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663861)

why would you want to run Win 7 or XP on this thing? Win 8 Pro will run pretty much anything written for 7 or XP and you won't have issues with tablet hardware drivers. (win 8 is really win 7.1 + the metro tile start page which you can ignore or bypass)

You should be able to run Linux on it, Linux runs on everything!

Re:Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663917)

"why would you want to run Win 7 or XP on this thing?"

So you don't have to deal with the shitty Metro aesthetic. Completely worth installing Windows 7 just to get rid of it.

Re:Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? (2)

Gertlex (722812) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664153)

"why would you want to run Win 7 or XP on this thing?"

So you don't have to deal with the shitty Metro aesthetic. Completely worth installing Windows 7 just to get rid of it.

It's a tablet... so install Classic Shell instead and live in the Desktop, while preserving touch and pen-stuff.

Re:Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? (1)

nielsm (1616577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664129)

Actually it's Windows 6.2 aka. "Vista with even more tweaks", but it's not like version numbers really matter much.

Re:Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? (1)

Kaenneth (82978) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665109)

Windows 8 is more 6.2 than 7.1.

Re:Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664077)

Seem that the BIOS [dreamwidth.org] is locked to just MS products, no matter if all the hardware is supported under linux.

Re:Can it run linux? windows 7? Windows XP? (1)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664239)

MS can't win. "Why is win8 so focused on touch!?!" and then "Why can't your touch tablet run XP!?!"

Do better than Apple and Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663811)

Produce the tablet version of a a supercomputer, with 100 hours battery life and get arrested for breaking moore's law.

Works on my corporate network? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42663973)

Are you sure? Mobile devices on my network needs whole hard disk encryption, a login, anti-malware, and security policies.

Do you really think a byod is going to work on the corporate network without an unacceptable level of security controls put onto it?

Re:Works on my corporate network? (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664665)

In a word: yes.

Whole disk encryption: BitLocker. It's supported. Connecting to the domain or Exchange server will automatically enable it if the policies mandating such encryption are in place.
A login: No fucking shit, it's Win8, of course it has logins and supports password complexity requirements. You're logging in with your domain credentials, after all...
Anti-malware: Built into Win8, or you can use third-party if you prefer.
Security policies: Again, it's Win8 (Pro, though even RT supports security policies). Did you crack your head on something on your way to write this post? Go see a doctor; you're delusional if you think this won't be supported.

Re:Works on my corporate network? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664853)

You're wrong. No one is going to buy a 1,000 device out of their own pockets and then allow corporate security policies and encryption to be put on it.

Re:Works on my corporate network? (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664991)

Workplaces generally provide working tools.

Re:Works on my corporate network? (2)

black3d (1648913) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665185)

You do realise it's a fully-fledged computer under the hood, don't you? It's not running a "tablet OS" like Android or iOS. It's running normal Win8 on a normal Intel i5. It's simply a laptop in tablet form. You can install whatever anti-malware, etc, you like. The one caveat is that you can't install any OS you like - the BIOS will make sure of that.

Coming Soon (1)

vencs (1937504) | about a year and a half ago | (#42663993)

Surface Home, Surface Enterprise, Surface Ultimate

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Re:Coming Soon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664361)

Would that translate into single touch, dual touch, and multi-touch support?

and.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664007)

not a single damn was given.

(by anyone aside from MS's paid shills, that is, who will no doubt hail it as the second coming of Christ, all the while selling 4 units a day)

Just saying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664017)

>According to Microsoft

Link to pcmag...

What does it say.... (1)

mark-t (151149) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664093)

Every time I see the phrase "Microsoft Surface", I always think of the table computing platform now called Pixelsense. It's like I always have to do a mental double-take to realize that they are talking about a tablet.

I'm not normally adverse to keeping up to date with technology and lingo, so I'm unsure why, long after I learned that they had renamed it, I'm still always stumbling over that expression and initially associating it only with MS's table computing platform.

Sorry.... sorta OT... But I'm starting to wonder if maybe I'm just getting too old to keep up with this stuff.

Compare to ... (4, Insightful)

Rougement (975188) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664137)

An iPad at $400 cheaper and a MacBook Air for only $100 more. I'm not sure, at this price point, what MS are trying to accomplish. It just reeks of a hurried "oh hell, we must release something to counter Apple' Well, here's your something.

Re:Compare to ... (3, Interesting)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664209)

MB air is $100 more and doesn't even have a pen or touch?
I'd rather have the Surface Pro.

Re:Compare to ... (1)

Rougement (975188) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664303)

I suspect it's only a matter of time before Apple tie iOS and OSX together and it's laptops get touch screens. Retina touch screens at that. Another issue I have with these is that I have no faith that they won't be tomorrow's Zunes. At least an Air is going to stick around and be supported for a while.

Re:Compare to ... (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665057)

I suspect it's only a matter of time before Apple tie iOS and OSX together and it's laptops get touch screens.

Because Microsoft has done that and are clearly raking it in as a result, so Apple should copy them.

Re:Compare to ... (2)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665061)

I see what your saying but I don't think the Zune is a good comparison. MS entered the market with Zune way too late, just as it was ending in fact because of the growth of smartphones. Tablets are going to be around for a long time. So even though they are late (to this generation, let's not forget tablet pcs) there is plenty of time for them to catch up with android. Apple isn't the main worry. They'll just keep doing their own thing no matter what. MS *can't* let android take over the majority of their oem market. If they fail (and they may) it will be for different reasons than why Zune failed.

Re:Compare to ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664391)

Surface Pro at $100 less has no ethernet port or usb port or real keyboard? Can't plug in an optical drive or barcode reader or digital camera? What is it, some kind of expensive toy? Who needs that?

Re:Compare to ... (4, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664571)

How clueless can you be? Macbook air has no ethernet port, and surface pro does have a USB 3.0 port. As it runs Windows 8 Pro it supports more hardware than the Macbook air including any optical drive, barcode reader, or digital camera you want to plug into it.

Re:Compare to ... (5, Interesting)

Cinder6 (894572) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664285)

Apple user here.

Here's what the Surface Pro has over an iPad: Run desktop apps; ability to modify the OS as you see fit
Here's what the Surface Pro has over a Macbook Air: Touchscreen

Different tools for different people and different uses. I don't personally want a Surface (Pro or RT), and it certainly has some (pretty big) disadvantages, but that doesn't mean I can't understand what Microsoft is trying to accomplish. I think there's merit to their "Windows anywhere" goal, though it still needs some polishing.

Re:Compare to ... (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664709)

It actually goes a bit further than that, even: the inclusion of the USB port and the support for Client Hyper-V (admittedly, it's a bit short on RAM, but it should be enough to, say, virtualize a Linux system) makes this a much more versatile device. I'd say it's cheaper than the MBA, but that goes away when you add the Touch or Type cover for keyboard and trackpad.

Re:Compare to ... (4, Interesting)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664671)

An iPad at $400 cheaper

An iPad doesn't run corporate win32 and win64 apps natively. An iPad doesn't integrate with Active Directory for seamless access to network resources. An iPad only has a finger, not a stylus interface. iPad has no USB port.

and a MacBook Air for only $100 more

The Macbook Air has no touch interface and doesn't convert to a tablet / slate for easy use on an airplane in economy with the seat in front of you in full recline.

Re:Compare to ... (2)

exomondo (1725132) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664965)

An iPad at $400 cheaper and a MacBook Air for only $100 more.

So then i have to carry 2 devices and it cost me $600 more?

Re:Compare to ... (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665001)

And my E-450 laptop cost me 350 euros. But just like all the products you listed, they're aimed at different market segments.

I'm still a bit interested (2)

Overzeetop (214511) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664387)

Panasonic's 20" tablet has certain major advantages for me, as I do architectural-like work. Still, pressure sensitive pen input (if high-dpi accurate) and a 2lb mark is nice. 4 hours life sucks, but it's not as bad as the 2 hours proposed for the panasonic.

The biggest draw for this is a machine that could replace both my iPad and my notebook computer (currently an 11.6" Acer Timeline). The ability to have a real OS and the ability to run real applications (Lightroom, AutoCAD, Bluebeam, Analysis software) is a major plus.

The shortcomings, beyond the middling battery life, include the limitation that you can only get 128GB. While that may seem like enough for a tablet, this is a working machine and really needs have an option to go to 256, if not 512, for serious road warrior data sets (or photogs on the go). And *micro* SD? Slow AND limited capacity. Hard to believe on a tablet this big that SD was a deal breaker in the real estate department. The lack of included keyboard is just money. I have Apple products, so overly expensive SSD and accessories are already commonplace.

Re:I'm still a bit interested (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year and a half ago | (#42665021)

You may consider just getting an USB thumb drive for external stuff. Not the most elegant solution, but functional nontheless.

and 4 people clapped (1)

CHRONOSS2008 (1226498) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664437)

3 of them thought it was a comedy, the other did it cause 3 others were.

I'm sorry . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664643)

but these folks at Microsoft just don't get it, do they?

They aren't much at designing any sort of software and now they have the hubris to tell us that they should be trusted to design hardware, too? Not on my dime!

Two of the last 4 OS releases of Windows have been complete turkeys (Vista and Windows 8), and now they've given us the first intentionally hostile UI ever sold in version 8.

People who are so bad at what they do should really consider stopping, you know?

This could kill the Playbook (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42664773)

Seriously.

64 or 32 bit? (1)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | about a year and a half ago | (#42664789)

Anyone know if it runs 32 bit or 64 bit Windows?
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