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Pakistan Boycotting Call of Duty, Medal of Honor Games

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the don't-be-rude-to-your-host dept.

Censorship 220

An anonymous reader writes "As first-person shooters have evolved, they've transitioned from using Nazis as the bad guys to more modern organizations, such as the Taliban. Two recent games, Call of Duty: Black Ops II and Medal of Honor: Warfighter, have both shown the country of Pakistan in a very negative light, and now shopkeepers in the country are beginning to boycott the games. 'Saleem Memon, president of the All Pakistan CD, DVD, Audio Casette Traders and Manufacturers Association, said he had written to members ordering them not to stock the controversial games after receiving dozens of complaints. ... The latest installment of the Medal of Honor series opens with American Navy Seals coming ashore in Karachi docks on a mission to destroy a black market arms shipment. But when their detonation sets off a second, bigger explosion they realize they have stumbled on a much bigger terrorist plot, sparking a global manhunt. A chaotic car chase through the city follows amid warnings that the ISI — Pakistan's intelligence agency — is on the way. Mr. Memon added there was a danger children would be brainwashed into thinking foreign agents were at war inside Karachi, possibly leading them into the arms of militants. "These games show a misleading idea of what is happening in the city. You don't get the CIA all the way through Grand Theft Auto," he said.'"

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Well, (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666627)

It'd probably be a bigger statement if he were selling legal copies

Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667519)

Got proof?

Or is it just "They're nig-nogs and ragheads, so they're all criminals"?

Sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667895)

There's no "just" about it if you or someone you care about get "enriched" by them.

Humm. (5, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | about 2 years ago | (#42666633)

Where was the most wanted terrorist hiding out again?

Re:Humm. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666669)

Where was the most wanted terrorist hiding out again?

Washington? Ohh that's right, Bush was a "Politician"

Re:Humm. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667009)

washington? Ohh that's right, Obama is a freedom-hating terrorist.

Re:Humm. (-1, Troll)

junglee_iitk (651040) | about 2 years ago | (#42666761)

White house?

"Where is the most wanted terrorist hiding out again?" FTFY

Most wanted? Pakistan. Biggest? USA.

Thank you, thank you. I will be here all week :)

Re:Humm. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667171)

If you see terrorism only as killing people I'd say that USA is the biggest hideout in the world. With McDonalds on the head of the list of the biggest "terrorism" organisations inside the "hideout".

Re:Humm. (-1, Troll)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 2 years ago | (#42667573)

The White House.

left off the last line (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666637)

"This is surely the work of those devious scheming Jews. We must destroy them all." concluded Mr. Memon.

Re:left off the last line (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667177)

Or Hindus/Christians/Sikhs

stupid sandniggers (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666647)

just blow yourselves up in protest you fucking terrorist shits

MODdable history. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666659)

You don't get the CIA all the way through Grand Theft Auto," he said.'"

There's a mod for that.

Cool story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666671)

Unless the ISPs are on it too, they can just get the PC version on Steam or some other digital distribution service.

Re:Cool story (4, Insightful)

lxs (131946) | about 2 years ago | (#42666713)

It's not a ban, it's a boycott. Turns out that people don't like games where the best the can be is set dressing for the glorification of a violent foreign power when that same power back in the real world indiscriminately sends out robots to bomb the next village on a weekly basis.

Re:Cool story (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 2 years ago | (#42666973)

Let's be fair to the game companies. They tried localizing the games for the Pakistani audience; but it turns out going from cave to cave while hiding from the Great Satan's minions doesn't make for exciting gameplay.

Re:Cool story (5, Informative)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about 2 years ago | (#42667121)

The drones don't 'bomb villages' (that statement shows how ignorant you are) they fire hellfire missiles into 'compounds' that the various special forces have usually reconoitered. Those compounds have jihadis and their families. Occasionally the missiles do miss and do kill villagers - this is indeed a tragedy, but is unintentional and less frequent than you would think. In Afghanistan NATO compensates for the damage, which inspires villagers to quickly bury donkies and claim them as killed civilians since the payoff is worth it.

It is completely awesome the drones do this because if they didn't the jihadis would continue their following reign of terror:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks [thereligionofpeace.com]

Of course, if you are a cultural relativist you will excuse the jihadis for their violence and instead simply condemn the US/West/Israel for trying to defend their citizens against these vicious killers. You'll then probably come up with the excuse that the jihadis do it because they are poor (Osama bin Laden was rich), had their land 'stolen' (jihadis have been operating for 1400 years) or some other lame excuse. All the while you'll remain doggedly ignorant of the teachings of the Qur'an that make jihad obligatory for able Muslim males.

Meanwhile you'll probably ignore the hundreds of madrassas pumping out replacement zombies ready to kill Afghan villagers. You'll also ignore the Pakistani ISI and the crime syndicates and opium lords who provide the money for the Taliban. You'd much rather cherish the thought that the West is the bad guy for standing up to these brigands and crazed zealots.

Keep dreaming your false dream. Meanwhile the rest of us will be doing what we can to argue for our rights (stop creeping Sharia and 'cultural jihad' in the West!) and even for your rights. Hopefully one day you'll get a clue and realise who the evil guys really are - the ones that think it nothing to kill little girls for trying to get an education, or kill girls who don't want to be married to old men four times their age, or kill Muslims from another sect, or kill people just working in a building in Manhattan, or riding a bus in London, or a train in Spain, etc etc. That's the real evil.

Re:Cool story (5, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | about 2 years ago | (#42667221)

I don't think you have to be a jihadist to worry that the U.S.'s policy for combating it is insufficiently cautious about "collateral damage". There is also a realpolitik question of whether it's actually effective: bombing the bad guys may feel good, but from a rational perspective feeling good and killing bad guys is not sufficient, and is counterproductive if you cause so much negative sentiment that you inflame anti-American sentiment among the local population, increasing terrorist groups' ability to recruit new members and find sympathetic people to shelter them. In some cases bombing works, and in other cases it does not work, and I think it's legitimate to ask whether the strategy the U.S. is currently pursuing is actually working, or is intended just to make it look like they're doing something, to please U.S. voters.

Here's a fun game [newsgaming.com] you can play in which you wipe out terrorists by bombing them.

Re:Cool story (3, Insightful)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about 2 years ago | (#42667555)

Completely incorrect. There is nothing the US has or has not done that causes jihadis to hate you. Same with Israel. It is core to Islamic doctrine to hate and subjugate all non-believers. It is a mistake to think it is for any other reason. The other thing is the Arab and Islamic culture respect strength. If you are willing to compromise it shows weakness which they will push to exploit. The only way to earn respect is through strength and fighting at an intense pace that the jihadis can't match. That is the lesson Israel has learned the hard way. There is no quid-pro-quo with jihadi organizations. You can concede but all you get is 'hudna', a temporary respite while they gather strength preparing for the next attack. If you are weak you will not be offered hudna, jihadis take the weak down without remorse. Look at the slaughter of Lebanon. Your statements are nice in theory but just do not match the historical record or reality. There is no compromise with jihadis. Either you win decisively, or they win and you are extinguished. Winding down your offensive means looks like you are losing to jihadis and it emboldens more recruits. So your uninformed guesses about 'inflaming' the locals is wrong and counter to history (eg. see the Sunni Awakening in Anbar where the strength and moral restraint of US forces gained respect and did more than appeasement ever would).

Re:Cool story (5, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | about 2 years ago | (#42667609)

I think you have a rather ignorant view of what's going on, which doesn't match historical record or reality. Support for jihadists in Muslim countries has waxed and waned for various reasons. It's completely sensible, if you want to have an actually fact-based policy which causes improvements, rather than a blind-faith-based policy which makes you feel like you're playing a cool videogame and killin' dem brown people, to look at which U.S. policies contribute to waxing versus waning. And I don't think the "fire-and-forget" use of drones is mainly aimed at that kind of optimization. Rather, it's aimed at getting people reelected (and this goes for whether it's Bush or Obama trying to get reelected).

In short, I think your fondness for action films, and possibly some kind of weird bigotry, is clouding your judgment, which is true of many of my countrymen, to the detriment of America's safety. But killin' dem Muslims gets American politicians elected, so they'll keep doing it even when it's dumb. Shock 'n' awe, duuuuude! Mission accomplished! It's like a bunch of you fucking frat boys are in charge; I'd rather have some adults.

Re:Cool story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667913)

I that see your strength has really earned you their respect and now america is beloved again... oh wait, I was thinking of Canada.

Re:Cool story (2, Insightful)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 2 years ago | (#42667655)

Completely incorrect. There is nothing the US has or has not done that causes jihadis to hate you. Same with Israel. It is core to Islamic doctrine to hate and subjugate all non-believers.

The same applies to other religions too. Yet most practitioners aren't as focused on hating and subjugating, but rather on their everyday business. I think you're overestimating the importance of extremists. Most people there are just trying to survive.

It is a mistake to think it is for any other reason. The other thing is the Arab and Islamic culture respect strength.

You're confusing them with Klingons.

The only way to defeat islamic extremists is to cut them off from manpower and supplies and that can be done only with non-combat means.

.

True (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667929)

You don't need to be a jihadist, you can be the next best thing: an oikophobe [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Cool story (2)

lxs (131946) | about 2 years ago | (#42667305)

I can tell that it's pointless to have a discussion with you until you stop being afraid of your own shadow.
Good luck with that.

Re:Cool story (0, Troll)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about 2 years ago | (#42667531)

If you are not afraid of the Islamist threat you are simply not paying attention. The evidence is all around (Eurabia etc). Go on YouTube and watch some of the stuff by Major Stephen Coughlin - and how the Pentagon completely misjudged the strategic nous of the OIC/Muslim Brotherhood. You are making the same fool mistake by stickking your head in the stand and ignoring the reality of the situation. The US/West are willing all the 'kinetic engagements' but are getting dominated in the Information Battlespace. We are winning the tactical engagements and losing the strategic situation. Too bad you have switched off because you haughtily believe you know everything. It sounds like you know far far less about the war against Islamists than you think. I would have been very pleased to refer you to some really great sources that are public, but hidden among the nonsense puff punditry. Stay an ostrich.

Re:Cool story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667431)

So its ok to kill your relatives as long as I didn't mean to an offer compensation afterward?

Your loss will be less if someone else tries to claim compensation when I didn't kill their relatives.

For examples of evil your could look alot closer to home but I fear you exhibit a number of your own false dreams. From hear it looks like your very comfortable with them.

Re:Cool story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667729)

" ignorant of the teachings of the Qur'an that make jihad obligatory for able Muslim males. "

yes, you are.

The Qur'an teaches it is better to give Sadaqah than Jihad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadaqah

But of course, you'll ignore this and continue to spout shite.

Re:Cool story (2)

TobiSGD (2739969) | about 2 years ago | (#42667969)

All the while you'll remain doggedly ignorant of the teachings of the Qur'an that make jihad obligatory for able Muslim males.

Yeah, in the same way that the bible make stoning children to death obligatory for the Christian believer. I can't see the US fighting against fundamentalist Christians. The US is attacking those people because they became a serious threat to the US goals in that region (mainly "We want the oil!"), mostly caused by the US itself by giving money and training to those people some time before, without thinking about the consequences. I don't have to be a "cultural relativist" to see that, these are enemies of the US because the US has made them to enemies, not because of the Qu'ran.

Can you blame them? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666677)

Would shops in the US sell a video game showing the glorious jihadis blowing up Americans get sold in the US? The "sandn****r" guy above would probably blow a gasket.

Re:Can you blame them? (3, Insightful)

Apothem (1921856) | about 2 years ago | (#42667117)

As a matter of fact, I bet they would. They'd probably try to market it for the shock factor and make millions!

Re:Can you blame them? (2)

1u3hr (530656) | about 2 years ago | (#42667325)

As a matter of fact, I bet they would.

Get back to me when it actually is "a matter of fact".

Re:Can you blame them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42668003)

Beep
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Terrorists Win

Re:Can you blame them? (3, Interesting)

flimflammer (956759) | about 2 years ago | (#42667975)

Except for the issue that no game company would do something so controversial, and even if one had the balls, no publisher would touch it with a hundred foot pole. We can't even let kids die in video games. You really think a game about being a terrorist would actually get publishing deals?

Shit would be all over the news how we're training kids to be terrorists and there would be all sorts of lobbying for it to get banned.

It would be a goddamn nightmare.

Hell, they banned the Spiderman poster. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667591)

And they whined and bitched about "The Two Towers", especially since the two towers were towers held by the Forces of Evil.

Re:Can you blame them? (3, Interesting)

Hentes (2461350) | about 2 years ago | (#42667977)

America gets destroyed in every other movie and nobody gets worked up because of it.

So what kind of "ban" is this? (5, Informative)

RogueyWon (735973) | about 2 years ago | (#42666683)

Anybody have any info on the All Pakistan CD, DVD, Audio Casette Traders and Manufacturers Association? If I google it, all I get are links to different versions of this story. If a shopkeeper or group of shopkeepers decide they don't want to stock particular titles, that's a commercial decision they are perfectly entitled to take and - if they are part of a competitive marketplace and have competition who might decide differently - it doesn't really raise any freedom or censorship issues. Certainly, supermarkets in the US/UK have decided at times not to stock games which have the highest age-ratings, because they don't fit with their brand image or perceived clientelle. It doesn't matter, because you can still get the games from Amazon or another high-street retailer.

If, on the other hand, this Association is some kind of Government standards-body, or if it's a trade-association which you have to be a member of if you want to sell games (giving it genuine market-control) then that's more serious.

And as an aside, I'd note that plenty of games have sold well in the US despite having the Americans as either morally ambiguous or outright baddies (indeed, not to defend Call of Duty, but most of its games fall into the first of those categories) - and that here in the UK, being made into the baddies in games and films is pretty much standard fare.

Re:So what kind of "ban" is this? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666737)

I can assure you that if a game that showed american soldiers raping children and killing innocent people in Irak for fun were developed, nobody would ever publish or stock it. The download site would get DDOSed constantly too.

Hell, even 100% proven, documented stuff like showing warrantless arrests with no trial in gitmo and torture would be a major no-no.

You can't so thick you think otherwise.

Re:So what kind of "ban" is this? (1)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | about 2 years ago | (#42667043)

Hell, even 100% proven, documented stuff like showing warrantless arrests with no trial in gitmo and torture would be a major no-no.

You can't so thick you think otherwise.

You've just given me a new game idea, Extraordinary Rendition: Vice City - Guantanamo edition.

Re:So what kind of "ban" is this? (3, Insightful)

Bomazi (1875554) | about 2 years ago | (#42667253)

Given that a simple comment from the Dixie Chicks along the line of "We are disappointed that Bush is from Texas" resulted in CD crushings (apparently they don't burn) and radio bans, you are probably right.

Re:So what kind of "ban" is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667495)

OK, without the children part, I think this was pretty much the content of "Spec Ops: The Line."

Re:So what kind of "ban" is this? (1)

couchslug (175151) | about 2 years ago | (#42667707)

You can "assure" all you like, but if it offered interesting gameplay and were hosted offshore, plenty of Americans would get if for the lulz.

Americans LIKE lulz and frequently don't give a fuck who that offends.

So long as the "raping" wasn't explicit (sex is evil, violence is not. I didn't make theat US cultural rule!) the violence would be fine.

Re:So what kind of "ban" is this? (2)

mjwx (966435) | about 2 years ago | (#42666807)

It's not a ban, it's a boycott.

Anybody have any info on the All Pakistan CD, DVD, Audio Casette Traders and Manufacturers Association?

Something tells me that this is an "Industry Association", as the summary suggests, of shopkeepers. I imagine them to be much like the RIAA with less lawyers and more AK47's.

So the headline should really be "Pakistani shop keepers refuse to stock latest crappy COD game".

The British comedian in my says they've chucked them in the curry.

Re:So what kind of "ban" is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666995)

The British comedian in my says they've chucked them in the curry.

Wasn't that actually a British comedian in a dalek?

Re:So what kind of "ban" is this? (2)

MurukeshM (1901690) | about 2 years ago | (#42667197)

I imagine them to be much like the RIAA with less lawyers and more AK47's.

I don't know how many AKs MAFiAA have, but I doubt these guys have any. Contrary to popular perception, the average Pakistani probably hasn't even *seen* a gun.

Re:So what kind of "ban" is this? (1)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | about 2 years ago | (#42667149)

Stupid association of like ten shops in some god forsaken hood; I didn't even know it existed.

Not related to govt at all. Ignore him, I assure you will get this shit in pirated in any damn place.

I mean if his "ban" meant anything, you wouldn't be able to get risque stuff now, would you? Yet at 30 rupees a pop, you can get them quite easily.

Just wait (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666685)

Soon enough, we will be changing those games to the real enemy: China. And then see what happens.

To be fair... (4, Informative)

matunos (1587263) | about 2 years ago | (#42666715)

I don't see a lot of games released here in which you get to play a Pakistani agent conducting ops in the states.

Re:To be fair... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666773)

To be fair, we're not hiding bin laden at west point.

Re:To be fair... (5, Funny)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | about 2 years ago | (#42667023)

To be fair, we're not hiding bin laden at west point.

That you know of. ;-)

Re:To be fair... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667391)

No, but our leaders are terrorists that have committed far greater crimes because of the power we enable than any committed by muslim jihadists.

The USA did give him aid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667985)

And let his Family (Good friends of the Pres) out in spite of the lockdown after 11/9, and give them lots of contracts and contacts before, during, and after.

The USA installed Saddam. Shook hands with him. Armed him.

Until he stopped using US Dollars to do business with. Then you shot him.

Re:To be fair... (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about 2 years ago | (#42666783)

Because the United States is a (relatively) peaceful nation by comparison?
Aren't these military simulation games supposed to be aiming at realism? And their target market has a lot of people who served in "military actions" in that part of the world.

Maybe as soon as there's another war actually on the soil of the lower 48 states we'll get that Pakistani agent game.

Re:To be fair... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666989)

The United States has been at war, shooting and dropping bombs, for the better part of the last twenty years. Relatively peaceful?

Re:To be fair... (2)

LordLucless (582312) | about 2 years ago | (#42667029)

The United States (geographical area) is relatively peaceful. The politicians who control the United States (political entity) are far from peaceful. GP was referring to the former as evidenced by his "war actually on the soil".

Re:To be fair... (1)

1u3hr (530656) | about 2 years ago | (#42667339)

The United States (geographical area) is relatively peaceful.

Except for drug crime, gun murders, yes.

Re:To be fair... (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | about 2 years ago | (#42667987)

Except for drug crime, gun murders, yes.

One of the most popular game franchises in the history of the country is based precisely on crime and murder in the United States...

...proving the point that Americans will consume anything, so long as its a simulation curiously similar to real life.

We just don't give a shit what others think that we should think. The main character in War Games, David L. Lightman, chose to play the Russians and nuke the fuck out of America. Nobody protested the movie, and none of you thought about this fact until just now.

Re:To be fair... (1)

Custard Horse (1527495) | about 2 years ago | (#42667051)

It is akin to a boxer and a pugilist street fighter. Whilst damage is caused to the opponent, it is fine as long as there are rules.

The US is the boxer and their opponent is the pugilist which is why the US will always get support.

The UN plays the part of the referee but the referee doesn't always see the low blows...

Re:To be fair... (2)

bikin (1113139) | about 2 years ago | (#42667115)

Actually, the referee sees the low blows, but then the boxer can veto any decision from the referee and all the referee can do is make some annoyed noises. I still have to figure a way to insert Don King in this analogy.

Re:To be fair... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667341)

Don King

Barack Obama

Captcha: airdrops

Re:To be fair... (4, Insightful)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | about 2 years ago | (#42667069)

Yes, relative to Pakistan, we are quite peaceful.

They have an active insurgency in their tribal region as well as a cease-fire in place with India which is currently being violated on both sides, while covertly supporting an insurgency in Afghanistan. Oh, and supporting education for girls will get you shot in the head, even if you are an eleven year old girl!

Are we peaceful?
No.

Relative to Pakistan?
Uh, yes.

Re:To be fair... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667129)

Because the United States is a (relatively) peaceful nation by comparison?

By all objective measures the USA is less peaceful than Pakistan, but objectivity has never been one of the strong points of the US.

Re:To be fair... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667349)

Because the United States is a (relatively) peaceful nation by comparison?

By all objective measures the USA is less peaceful than Pakistan, but objectivity has never been one of the strong points of the US.

So it's kinda like the relationship Eurofags have with rationality?

Re:To be fair... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666905)

On a related note, an old Taito game comes to mind. Taito is of course a Japanese game developer. One of their games was called Fire Mustang where you control an American fighter and take on Japanese fighters in a WWII setting. The Sega home port was released only in Japan. I thought it was interesting they were comfortable enough with their own contemporary history to make a game like this and release it dometically.

In the US I can think of US-made games where you have the option to take the role as the "bad guys" and go against Americans but all those games always offer the option to play on the other side.

Honestly.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667227)

It's because almost all those games take part in the second half of the war, when all the badass production planes are US made, not japanese.

I was reading through wikipedia a few months back in regards to WW2 era planes and franky the japanese selection sucked. Tons of planes that could've changed the face of the war, but thanks to production limitations, supply problems, etc they never made it into production before the end came.

Pretty much the same deal as the germans.

While I don't really care to consider the increase in casualties, it's interesting to ponder what the technological advancement of the world might've been if the war had dragged on a few more years. A number of advancements that got killed as a result of the wind-down of the war machine following the surrenders of Japan and Germany left a lot of nearly complete prototypes on all sides either destroyed or neglected rather than being finished, many of which might've lead to valuable research that didn't take place for years afterward.

Re:To be fair... (1)

LordLucless (582312) | about 2 years ago | (#42667039)

Probably because most game developers are Americans, catering to a primarily-American audience. Their aren't many games with Pakistani protagonists because Pakistanis don't write many games, and any they do write probably aren't localized for English.

So I hear India's population is 1,2 Billion (1, Interesting)

eksith (2776419) | about 2 years ago | (#42666731)

Surely some of them have a taste for and can afford these games.

Even if India's censorship is just as asinine sometimes, I can totally see them giving any game that paints Pakistan in a bad light a pass.

Company could fold. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666749)

Its a shame. This is certainly going to put a huge dent in spunk-gargle-whee-whee sales. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/6565-Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-2

best approach (4, Interesting)

belmolis (702863) | about 2 years ago | (#42666769)

If Pakistanis want their country to cease to be viewed as a hotbed of terrorism, the best approach would be for them to stop supporting terrorism.

Re:best approach (3, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 2 years ago | (#42666805)

Bingo. When folks start viewing you as ersatz Nazis, perhaps you should question your choices rather than theirs.

Re:best approach (5, Insightful)

enigmatic (122657) | about 2 years ago | (#42667085)

So Pakistan is a country that supports terrorism you claim.
Then if for instance Iran was a major contributor to the ruling regime in Pakistan
it would be easy to conclude that Iran is supporting terrorism by supporting Pakistan.

So, since the United States is one of the biggest donor of aid to Pakistan
http://transition.usaid.gov/pk/about/budget.html [usaid.gov]
And that we have lifted the arms embargo and are presently upgrading their
F16 fighters and selling them more F16 fighters, does that count as
the US supporting terrorism, by supporting Pakistan?

Yes, it does (-1, Troll)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 2 years ago | (#42667345)

You won't get a politician to admit it but everybody knows the US is a major supporter of terrorism and also easily one of the great human rights violators and has been for a long time. Anything from the mass slaughter of natives to agent orange to supporting murderous dictorial regimes to the support of the taliban in Afghanistan when the Russians were there.

As for backing Pakistan, only a complete fool would do that, or a country totally paranoid over communism making it fight the largest democracy in the world by supporting one of the most primitive backward nations on earth. (Hint for fox viewers, India is a democracy, Pakistan isn't).

The US has a long continuing history of being not just a moral vacuum but actually on the side of evil, supporting the nazi regime (to the point that when volunteer American aircrew were bombing ball bearing plants at great personal cost, a shipment of ball bearings went from the US through Sweden that totally off-set the destroyed production), sheltering Nazi war criminals even those guilty of killing US soldiers who had been captured (employed at NASA).

Only the most foolish uncultured people are going to be shocked by the claim that the US is funding terrorism, it is a simple fact that has been proven countless times beyond a shadow of a doubt.

HOWEVER: If I give you a gun to commit a murder, I am guilty. But you DO have free choice, you don't HAVE to do the murder, not even if I give you a million dollars. Yes, the person who hires the assassin is just as guilty AS the assassin but that doesn't absolve the assassin of blame.

The US has found many a willing regime/group in its fight against democracy in the world (remember, India is leaning close to communism then capatalism but freely elected IN a working democracy), it makes it an evil nation, or at least a nation of "wir haben es nicht gewust" (because we made sure not to look) lead by few very evil advisors like Kissinger a man who history would do well to remember in the same line as an Eichman. But it does not stop Pakistan from being an nation of evil itself. It is a nation that has been at war with India since its creation and has been linked countless time to terrorism. India isn't similarly linked in retaliation. The only reason it exists is because the US keeps supporting it else it would long since have collapsed into a non-state like Afghanistan. Just tribal lords fighting each other.

There are a lot of people who hate the US and there are a lot of reasons to hate the US but to many people use that as an excuse to excuse everything anyone else does. There is room for more blame in this world.

Re:best approach (0)

Kashgarinn (1036758) | about 2 years ago | (#42667533)

does that count as the US supporting terrorism, by supporting Pakistan?

- Actually yes, yes it does. US supports terrorism and terrorize. For their own gain.

If there ever was a religious country with too many guns, too many insane people in positions of power, too many greedy politicians, too many corporations willing to crush foreign countries for personal gain.. You already know what country I'm talking about, right?

US is to be feared and avoided at all costs.

Fuck You Too Muslim Extremists (0, Troll)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about 2 years ago | (#42666787)

Pakistan is the most lawless of the US' so called "allies" and is in fact at heart no Ally of the US or any Western Nation.
They openly harbor Terrorists and are can't even protect their own citizenry against the likes of the Taliban and Al Qaida.

They are as corrupt as Mexico and the US would be right to bomb them even further back into the Stone Age than they already are, but since they are in a death grip with India -- that's a no go.

Fuck Pakistan -- they are no friend of the Free World and are nothing short of a Lucy to the Al Qaida fighting Charlie Brown, pretending to help, but openly acting to subvert our efforts.

Re:Fuck You Too Muslim Extremists (1)

greenfruitsalad (2008354) | about 2 years ago | (#42666887)

what is this free world you speak of? the land where TSA feels up your children every time you travel? where CCTV monitors your every move, government agancies have warrantless access to all your communication logs and can listen in whenever they want? where all that's needed to keep you in prison without due process is label you as a terrorist? where people don't get tortured, only waterboarded? That country is morally already in stone age!

Re:Fuck You Too Muslim Extremists (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about 2 years ago | (#42667019)

yes - we caved and lost.

But I still have hope

Re:Fuck You Too Muslim Extremists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667063)

No, the one where you get raped just for being a woman, you get acid thrown on your face, children are forced to marry their uncle, females are forbidden from education and basically become wombs on legs, where disobeying some shitty immoral book gets you killed. That country.

As opposed to the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667539)

As opposed to the USA where you get raped just for wearing a skirt.

Re:Fuck You Too Muslim Extremists (0)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about 2 years ago | (#42667145)

The reason the TSA do it is because they are afraid of this. Look at the constant stream of lethal jihadi attacks around the World: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks [thereligionofpeace.com]

I don't like the insatiable growth of the US Federal Governent and dismantling of civilian protections (which Obama looks to continue increasing with his NDAA and Executive Orders). But look at the facts and get some perspective - without security the jihadis would certainly have killed thousands of people. It is just lucky that your law enforcement agencies are good and the jihadis are so dumb (do busy studying the Qur'an and not enough about stealth and warfare).

Re:Fuck You Too Muslim Extremists (1)

will_die (586523) | about 2 years ago | (#42667821)

What the airport police in Europe are also known as TSA?
Seriously the places I have had the most pat down has been in Europe(UK and Germany) including the point where I had to throw 1/4 of the toothpaste tube away because the original full size was over the allowed amount.
USA customs are usually really easy and quick.
Easiest so far have been the middle east, if the alarms go off then do a quick pat of your pockets and if nothing in them you go on.

Re:Fuck You Too Muslim Extremists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667191)

Pakistan is the most lawless of the US' so called "allies" and is in fact at heart no Ally of the US or any Western Nation. They openly harbor Terrorists and are can't even protect their own citizenry against the likes of the Taliban and Al Qaida.

They are as corrupt as Mexico and the US would be right to bomb them even further back into the Stone Age than they already are, but since they are in a death grip with India -- that's a no go.

Fuck Pakistan -- they are no friend of the Free World and are nothing short of a Lucy to the Al Qaida fighting Charlie Brown, pretending to help, but openly acting to subvert our efforts.

As a matter of fact, there is NO Muslim country that can be legitimately called an 'ally' of the US or the West. They all have populations that have goals of going fully Islamic, and then exporting them abroad - just look at the Arab Spring countries, as well as the popularity of Osama in the largest Muslim countries, such as Fuckistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia. But I do congratulate the makers of these games for targeting our current enemies, rather than being fixated on the Nazis or Communists, which while evil, are a thing of the past (not counting the Muslims == Nazis that we have all over the Islamic world and beyond, with their anti-Semitism, honor killings, misogyny and so on)

A litttle clarification? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666821)

"You don't get the CIA all the way through Grand Theft Auto"

The fuck does that even mean?

I'm Boycotting Them Too (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42666847)

Their crap. Sheer and utter crap. I refuse to buy crap.

Take that multi-billion dollar game franchises!

Big deal? (4, Insightful)

peppepz (1311345) | about 2 years ago | (#42666875)

I remember playing "raid over Moscow" when I was a kid, which was a C64 game where you had to fly a bomber to the Kremlin, kill its guards, and blow it up. I suspect that it wouldn't sell well in the USSR, and that if somebody published the very same game today as "raid over Washington" replacing the Kremlin with the White House then it wouldn't sell well in the USA. People don't enjoy being offended, especially by propaganda, especially when it touches open wounds.

Side effect of realism (2)

Leo Sasquatch (977162) | about 2 years ago | (#42667005)

If the games were set in fictitious countries, they'd get dinged for it. An interesting writing challenge for these games would be to anonymise the locations - in effect, to amplify the murky nature of the operations concerned. "We were down in South America somewhere, some rathole of a banana republic..." or "We'd been travelling upriver for a couple of days, heading deep into African jungle..." The original Bond books did it quite well - the idea that the top echelons of the various intelligence agencies had realised that they were all on the same side (i.e. the side that likes money and power in quite huge quantities) and were running their own organisation that wasn't based on or in any particular country. And they weren't going to let any grubby little politicians mess it up.

Bad Image (-1, Flamebait)

andrewblaine (2822269) | about 2 years ago | (#42667007)

By stop playing such games i don't think so it will effect pakistan bad image. Best approach according to me is Do live and let us live....... http://tiny.cc/615arw [tiny.cc]

Re:Bad Image (1)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about 2 years ago | (#42667161)

Pakistan has a bad image because of this: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks [thereligionofpeace.com] Most attacks are Muslim-on-Muslim . or on little girls that want education etc. This video game does nothing to their already well-deserved terrible reputation.

Truth hurts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667045)

Truth hurts...

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667105)

So the games wouldn't be sold in Pakistan, who gives a shit? Notice how only the muslims/muslim countries ever take offense to these kinds of things, Russia didn't ban any of the games that were anti Russian, nobody needs to get asspained over stuff like this.

Why the fuck is this even on Slashdot? (5, Insightful)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | about 2 years ago | (#42667133)

I am from Pakistan, and all I can say is "LOL, a ban, haha, how cute"

This is just a storm in a teacup situation; For one, now one gives a flying fuck, and secondly, pirates CDs for 30 rupees (~30 cents) each man, if one shop doesn't, you don't think there are 100 other shops in the same damn plaza who will provide it?Besides they haven't been able to stop outright *porn*, they will do something like this? Yeah right.

Go back people, noting to see here, no one cares except some bourgeois who like to #TweetLikeABurger . Mr "Association President" just wanted the world to know that (a) He exists; and (b) Vote for me at the next association election!

This isn't even news here, I didn't even know this was an issue (For once, Slashdot provides news on time!). We are more concerned over CNG (no fuel for cars, winter heaters or stoves), or the fact that the investigator who was investigating corruption charges against our PM conveniently committed suicide (The fact that there were signs of torture, or that he had sent SMS to pals regarding him being pressurised to change evidence is obviously unrelated.)

Come on people, we are people of, what, 180 million? Most of whom can't even afford to feed them self, much less buy games. We are Hungry, cold, freezing and Immobile, not to mention without work. We have better thing to worry about, besides, no one can outdo us in cursing our nation, I am sure your games pale in comparison.

Re:Why the fuck is this even on Slashdot? (0, Troll)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#42667279)

You are an English speaker with education and access to high technology. Your countrymen are viciously sensitive to any suggestion that they might be culpable for terrorism while enthusiastically supporting the same. Your "bigger fish to fry" argument doesn't hold water. When OBL was killed, the national mood of humiliation wasn't "we said we didn't have him and were lying through our teeth the whole time", it was "the Mighty Pak Army[tm] couldn't defend our sacred territory".

Yes, sacred territory. Quick quiz for the Westerner, what does "Pakistan" even mean? Don't answer if you already know.

Re:Why the fuck is this even on Slashdot? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667739)

You are an English speaker with education and access to high technology. Your countrymen are viciously sensitive to any suggestion that they might be culpable for terrorism while enthusiastically supporting the same. Your "bigger fish to fry" argument doesn't hold water.

Assuming that you are from the U.S. the same can be said for you.

Speaking of OBL, who do you think trained him to be a terrorist? Of course he was called something else in your local newspapers back then. [asset.soup.io]
How nice of you to use him against the Russians and then leave and let him take the shit when they retaliated. He didn't just start to hate on the U.S. randomly, he was given a reason to do so.

Re:Why the fuck is this even on Slashdot? (1)

andydread (758754) | about 2 years ago | (#42667299)

This is awesome thanks for this dose of reality.

cover (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667271)

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Age restriction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667295)

Aren't the games restricted to people over 18 or 16 years of age? I find it dubious that a 16 years old Pakistani could be brainwashed by Medal of Honor.

cover (-1, Offtopic)

chloefish (2822347) | about 2 years ago | (#42667373)

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Flip it (2)

shentino (1139071) | about 2 years ago | (#42667589)

How would the US feel if a pakistani company was using the same sort of creative license to lampoon the NSA and the CIA?

Re:Flip it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667859)

How would the US feel if a pakistani company was using the same sort of creative license to lampoon the NSA and the CIA?

I would probably be shocked and welcome it. A sense of fucking humor would likely be well-received at this point. They sure as hell haven't shown one yet.

Pakistan, get a clue... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42667813)

...movies and games are not real-time, and are often works of fiction.

I can only imagine how they think driving in some of our most famous cities is like after seeing GTA.

Besides, the irony here is real activities in their own countries have been the basis of these games for decades now. Perhaps if we American game writers were not so fucking inspired by real-world events...just a thought.

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