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PanQuake

michael posted more than 13 years ago | from the with-maple-syrup-and-butter dept.

Quake 134

Aardappel writes: "PanQuake, a quake sourceport that allows a 360 degree panoramic view, has been released. Download it here."

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Re:round monitors? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#233097)

No kidding, most people can't see 360 degrees? I never realized i was this lucky. Oops, gotta go, boss is coming up behind me...

Great... (3)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#233098)

...now I can wear my +3.50 diopter glasses and play Quake at 360 degree FOV and the two will cancel each other out resulting in normal gameplay! This mod is an optometrists dream come true! (Well, for optometrists that play Quake, anyway.)

Re:Hang on a minute!! (1)

shogun (657) | more than 13 years ago | (#233099)

That was back when there was a leaked copy of the quake 1 source code floating around that someone snarfed from crack.com. Since then the source code was officially released so everyone could mess around with it and re-releasing things without worrying about legal repercussions.

Re:quake sucks (1)

shogun (657) | more than 13 years ago | (#233100)

Then why are you wasting your time on here?

Re:Escher (2)

Paul Komarek (794) | more than 13 years ago | (#233102)

If Escher played Quake, he'd play PanQuake.

-Paul Komarek

Re:Serious Question (3)

Paul Komarek (794) | more than 13 years ago | (#233103)

I think it would be much easier to go directly from the software models in Quake to an immersive display, rather than to go from PanQuake's rasterized 2-dimensional output to an immersive display.

-Paul Komarek

Re:Little Known DOOM Feature (4)

Sludge (1234) | more than 13 years ago | (#233104)

People are calling this a troll. It did exist. Id took it out after Doom 1.1 when modem multiplayer (sersetup) was added in 1.2. It was never put back in, and no explanation was given.

Get a copy of Doom 1.1 (I'm not sure if the original 1.0 had it) if you want to try this.

Or, join a q1 server with a second machine and spectate third person, 180 degrees inverted.



Re:Little Known DOOM Feature (4)

Nugget94M (3631) | more than 13 years ago | (#233105)

I did this only once. I made the terrible mistake of using a motley collection of machines to host each of the three views. My main "front" view was my screaming 486DX50 box, but the left and right views were "whatever else I had lying around". I actually nicked the two other monitors from my office for the evening. The unfortunate side effect was that the differing frame rates for the three views was a wonderful way to revisit my last meal after about 10 minutes of play. It was nausea-inducing to the highest degree.

Still very cool to see and be able to do, no matter how unplayable my setup turned out to be.

This reminds me of some M.C. Escher pictures (3)

Kiwi (5214) | more than 13 years ago | (#233106)

This reminds me of some M.C. Escher pictures--two come to mind.

One is the one with a lot of worms going up and down stairs

Another is what appears to be two views of the same scene (a kid on some steps looking up with a palm tree), but is really two cpoies of the same scene, one upside-down, using a panoramic view.

In both cases, M.C. Escher used a vertical, as opposed to horizontal, panorama.

- Sam

Not Panasonic, Panoramtech. (2)

simpleguy (5686) | more than 13 years ago | (#233107)


I believe the monitor in question is
http://www.panoramtech.com/pv290dsk.htm [panoramtech.com]
Its Price $22,750 :(

Re:Escher (1)

FFFish (7567) | more than 13 years ago | (#233108)

Good god. I get ill just looking at the still shots!

--

Re:Little Known DOOM Feature (1)

Thrakkerzog (7580) | more than 13 years ago | (#233109)

I think they took those switches out in later versions. (I think everything after 1.666)


-- Thrakkerzog

This has totally been posted before :) (1)

The OPTiCIAN (8190) | more than 13 years ago | (#233110)

Quite possibly twice before, I was talking to a friend about 'this thing I saw in a slashdot post ages ago' at lunch :)

Serious Question (4)

GoRK (10018) | more than 13 years ago | (#233113)

First, please don't mod me down. This isn't a troll and I'm still way above the cap so i could give a shit about karma.

How could you build a device fairly inexpensively (assuming you've got an LCD projector -- assume you've got two if you really have to have two in the design) to turn PanQuake into something immersive? Think dirt cheap CAVE here. I guess you could probably easily rear- project fisheye quake onto a translucent hemisphere if you used 180 FOV.. something along those lines...

I considered that head-mounted displays with high FOV's would be a decent display device, but they are inconvenient, expensive, etc.

~GoRK

I don't care. (2)

Pope Slackman (13727) | more than 13 years ago | (#233115)

I'd rather die from Quake than from a heart attack.

C-X C-S

Re:Playing Quake like this causing health problems (1)

drac (13878) | more than 13 years ago | (#233116)

Speaking as a doctor, the report you cite sounds much like humorous bullshit.

Can you please dig up that exact reference so I can read it too?

Re:Little Known DOOM Feature (1)

ethereal (13958) | more than 13 years ago | (#233117)

Yes, that was such a troll. Indeed. Mr. #67691, I don't know how you look at yourself in the morning after trolling all night like that. You should be ashamed of having to put a moderator to the trouble of marking you for the troll that you are.

:)

Caution: contents may be quarrelsome and meticulous!

Re:This reminds me of some M.C. Escher pictures (2)

ethereal (13958) | more than 13 years ago | (#233118)

And this was flamebait how? Methinks the moderators are confused by playing too much 360-degree Quake.

Interesting thought - if you were reading /. in 360 degrees, could you theoretically see all the repeat story submissions at once, rather than only seeing the latest one, and thus know not to post a repeat? The mind boggles...

Caution: contents may be quarrelsome and meticulous!

You'd have to be one hell of a shot (1)

thesteveco (20012) | more than 13 years ago | (#233119)

Can you imagine what it's like to try to aim like this? Try setting the FOV to 180 (I run 120) and see how much more difficult targeting is!

Re:What for? (1)

paled (22916) | more than 13 years ago | (#233120)

that was in Redneck Rampage - 'cept it was likely the green label JD (bleah!).

Re:Had a little fun, got a little sick (2)

paled (22916) | more than 13 years ago | (#233121)

that is such a great hack.
Pick out a page on amihotornot.com and link to it.
watch the gullible /. readers think that its actually you in that photo WHILE posting setting hints (e.g.pfov=360).

but if it really is you - don't marry that other guy. ;)

Sweeet (1)

otomo_1001 (22925) | more than 13 years ago | (#233122)

I know some (most) of the /.'rs are saying, what's the point?

We're geeks, we don't need no stinking reason/point.

Now this IS fun, start it up and turn while standing still in a room with alot of doors.

It's a frickin slide show that never ends :) God am I now disoriented, maybe I'll take up smoking weed, It seems perfectly suited for this.

Then again maybe not, but this is really hard to aim with the keyboard, the guys are now 20 pixels wide, have fun hitting them.

Quake just got funner.

I don't even want to think about downloading this (1)

Squirrel Killer (23450) | more than 13 years ago | (#233123)

I got nauseous from the discussion alone. I don't want to have to get a plastic cover for my keyboard just to play.

Re:huh? (3)

Yumpee (32901) | more than 13 years ago | (#233124)

Quake's default projection makes high fovs look ugly. And you can't set the fov more than 180.
See this page for a comparison of standard Quake fov and the fisheye mod:

http://wouter.fov120.com/gfxengine/fisheyequake/co mpare.html [fov120.com]

Y.

Well, could have been cooler (1)

bolind (33496) | more than 13 years ago | (#233125)

IIRC what he did was to set up a virtual windows desktop spanning five monitors, and then run Unreal in a window nearly maximized. This means no 3D-acceleration, and a crappy resolution.

He did fiddle with the settings so he could get the view rendered at five times the normal width, though.

It was a pretty cool hack, but it would have been nice with 3D-acceleration in a decent resolution on more than one monitor. I understand this is impossible as of right now.

Ouch! (1)

bokane (36382) | more than 13 years ago | (#233126)

Wow, this is cool, but it doesn't seem that practical. I mean, did they decide that not enough people got seasick playing Quake notmally?

Re:Little Known DOOM Feature (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 13 years ago | (#233130)

I suppose you never went to a doom meet either.

Re:Little Known DOOM Feature (2)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 13 years ago | (#233131)

little known to whom? It was in the docs ffs.

Re:Playing Quake like this causing health problems (1)

Aardappel (50644) | more than 13 years ago | (#233132)

There's two different kind of dizzyness / motion sickness you can get from quake: immersion and camera motion.

You can get sick from "immersion" by playing on big screens (the more they cover the FOV of your eyes the better) coupled with *high* game FOVs, where fisheye projection helps to immerse you even more (because it gives less perspective distortion). I personally crave this kind of immersion and am used to it, but its not for everyone.

Alternatively you can get sick from "camera motion", which happens with either *low* game FOVs and/or low fps. It stops your eyes being able to smoothly track movement, high FOVs give you more context. It's like trying to run around in real life while looking through a zoomlens, you'll get very dizzy. Personally I suffer from this, I can't play games that don't allow FOV being changed from the default 90 (been used to 120 for 5 years now).

As a nice anecdote of how people don't understand what FOV does to you, I took part in a test as part of a psychology research from an unnamed university, where they investigated motion sickness and stability (how well you stand on your feet). In the test you had to stand in a black box, with in front of you a tv screen showing a video of someone running around with a handheld camera, meant to induce motion sickness. They had however shot the whole movie *using a zoomlens* giving a FOV of 20 or so. So their whole research was moot, as all motion sickness was induced by FOV rather than the actual movement. They weren't happy when I told them I think.

Re:Hang on a minute!! (1)

Aardappel (50644) | more than 13 years ago | (#233133)

Um, read what it says. That was for quake 1.01 linux, which was, um, "going around the net" WAY before the GPL quake source was officially released. I used that to code fisheye quake for my personal enjoyment, and ported it over to the GPL release later.

For decent framerate on a <1GHz computer... (1)

Uri (51845) | more than 13 years ago | (#233135)

...I strongly recommend reducing the number of slices to something like 5. If your pride can let you, that is (it's not easy admitting to yourself that the top-end computer you bought last year, is now legacy... *sigh*).

Re:Escher (2)

Saige (53303) | more than 13 years ago | (#233137)

I always thought that would be one of the coolest ideas for a Q3A mod. Escher-Quake.

I just pictured it with levels that do things like an Escher painting, and gravity would work so that if you ran up one of the sets of stairs, you'd find yourself then standing at like a 90-degree angle to everyone else.

Imagine playing and seeing someone else running along the ceiling!

Somehow, though, I suspect the game engine wouldn't exactly be very supportive of changing the game physics in such a strange way. If it is, someone please, code it up! I'd love to create some maps for it. :)
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Cool hack, but what's the framerate (2)

trenton (53581) | more than 13 years ago | (#233138)

I don't have Quake, and I didn't see any benchmarks for PanQuake on the site. I did see a link to Fisheye Quake [fov120.com] , also written van Oortmerssen. Its faq says "so on this p200 I get 10fps", an unplayable framerate as far as first person shooters go. Yeah, a Pentium 200 is slow, but can PanQuake get 200+ fps, off a high-end machine, like a Athlon 1.4 GHz with a GeForce 2 [tomshardware.com] , like other versions of Quake?

Does anyone have benchmarks for PanQuake? Post them.

2001RC46

Re:Playing Quake like this causing health problems (1)

scorp888 (53723) | more than 13 years ago | (#233139)

This is true, playing Timesplitters on a 52" Tv, makes me feel Nauseous..

You do get over it though.

Re:Had a little fun, got a little sick (1)

Johan Veenstra (61679) | more than 13 years ago | (#233140)

Yep, after playing quakeworld competitively for a long time, all the other 3d games seemed terribly slow.

I think, the original poster was referring to the Q1 single player game. I have to agree with him on that. Two month ago I played Q1 single player for the first time (I used to play several multiplayer mods), I finished the game in one try, without even coming close to dying.

Johan V.

Servers, Good. Players, Excellent (2)

Ted V (67691) | more than 13 years ago | (#233142)

We have maybe 3 Art of War servers up, which is enough for our current fan base. Putting up another server is fine with us, but I'd much rather just have a lot more people enjoy the mod. Tell your friends about Art of War. :)

-Ted

Little Known DOOM Feature (5)

Ted V (67691) | more than 13 years ago | (#233143)

A Little known DOOM feature let you start up games with -left and -right. Doing so would give you three different doom views, so you could view front, left side, and right side. This gave you 270 degrees of visuals with *zero* fisheye problems. Of course, it also required 3 computers and network synchronization between them. I think it was more John Carmack showing off than anything else. I think the game was somewhat less scary without 90 degrees of tunnel vision. Much cooler looking, however.

-Ted

Nice Try, Monkey Boy (2)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 13 years ago | (#233145)

But you STILL can't have my 25" monitor!

Important question (1)

weinford (97037) | more than 13 years ago | (#233148)

Hi all, on the screenshot page, the third from above, what's the name of that level again? I played this on Zeki server for years, and loved it, but cant remember the name :-((
Please help, thanks!

Re:Cool hack, but what's the framerate (1)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 13 years ago | (#233150)

Why on gods green earth would you need 200+fps? There is NO need for that kind of framerate.. if you can see the difference between 200fps and 60 I'll be suprised.

Films run ad 24fps, TV runs at 30fps.. perhaps you could go a little faster.. but anything over that is a waste and the performance should be on making the shit on the screen look better.. not faster framerate.

And if you start talking about it going smoother or whatever that's because your shit computer can't do 30-60fps right and it's computing stuff.. it's dropping frames. And dropping frames at any speed will cause a skip and you'll probably notice some weird twitch. Just like you see shit for a split second when you're watching a movie and there's something on the film.


--

Re:Playing Quake like this causing health problems (3)

OmegaDan (101255) | more than 13 years ago | (#233152)

I think its common knowledge that the refresh rate of your monitor and frame rate of your card have alot to do with "headaches, irritability and nausea" which I would call "motion sickness."

Antecdotal evidence ... when quake2 came out I played it on my voodoo rush card which would get around 12 fps ... It would take me about 30 mins to get sick with it ... I got a riva zx card which could do about 25fps, and it now takes a couple hours for me to get sick :)

Zdoom is also quite cool! (2)

Domini (103836) | more than 13 years ago | (#233153)

zDoom adds looking up and down (Duke-Style) as well as jumping...
:)

Get it here: http://zdoom.notgod.com/

I've tried the -left and -right features ages ago... it works quite well besides for the slight lag.

It slooooowwww. (2)

Domini (103836) | more than 13 years ago | (#233154)

:)

It's quite a lot slower than normal glquake... even in a low-res mode.

Wonder why so much slower.

How is this different from normal Quake "fov" command set to max?

-ponder-

Re:multiple monitor unreal (1)

Lionfire (103856) | more than 13 years ago | (#233155)

Probably from Multi-Head Gaming [planetquake.com] , as seen previously on ./ [slashdot.org]

Re:Little Known DOOM Feature (1)

RoninM (105723) | more than 13 years ago | (#233156)

Naturally, the presence of the information at Doom meets precludes it from being little known. Who hasn't been to a Doom meet?

He he. Do we really need the larger brain load? (1)

fractaltiger (110681) | more than 13 years ago | (#233157)

So what makes them think my brain will track a single rocket-tooting bot at my back when there are 10 skilled LAN players in front of me? It'll add to the pressure of

"which one do I shoot first!!?"
and
"should I turn around or use up more health points to finish up this frag I'm workin' on?"

He he. Turn down the number of bots before you play this, at least

Re:huh? (1)

-brazil- (111867) | more than 13 years ago | (#233158)

Actually, the game doesn't let you set it to more than 170, and 180 (and all beyond that) is mathematically impossible. As you get closer to 180, the texture pixels exactly at the edge of the 180 degree field would get closer and closer to taking up your entire screen.

Re:Serious Question (1)

gmarceau (119282) | more than 13 years ago | (#233161)

That something people have been doing lately. They have you stand at the middle projection screen shaped as a large cylinder, say 2 m high and 3 m radius. Then, using three LCD projectors, they'll back-project images of your surrounding onto the cylinder, shooting from the corners of an imaginary equilateral triangle.

The trick lie in pre-deforming the image such that the cylindrical projection warps them back into their original form. I figure ligning up the projectors might also be an issue.

-

Looks cool (1)

kill-hup (120930) | more than 13 years ago | (#233162)

Looks cool - definitely wouldn't hurt to widen your field of view. Just as long as you don't get fragged while you're busy looking around ;)

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Panorama display (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 13 years ago | (#233163)

Now you need a video projector, a fisheye lens, and a white dome... Plus multichannel spatial stereo audio. Yes!

I want that for Flight Simulator. Flying with a small field of view is miserable.

Re:Little Known DOOM Feature (1)

donglekey (124433) | more than 13 years ago | (#233164)

man, who rated that as a troll. Anyway, art of war rocks, need another server?

Tried something similar... (1)

T. (128661) | more than 13 years ago | (#233165)

..in tribes. Got pretty good at it, too. Just set the FOV (field of vision) to 270 (or more). Very odd. Hard to move around without falling off of things. When others tried to play on my PC they usually got a sort of motion sickness. Very cool.

Re:666 and Quad (1)

Jagasian (129329) | more than 13 years ago | (#233166)

Excuse me, but how the fuck is the parent post "Offtopic"? He is talking about elements of Quake in reference to the new panaoramic rendering mod, for christsakes!

The moderators must be smoking crack again.

666 and Quad (2)

Jagasian (129329) | more than 13 years ago | (#233167)

See, I always thought that getting the Pentagram of Protection or Quad, should do something trippy like this to your view. As if being god-like looks different... forces you to see the entire world at once.

How is this done? (2)

Otis_INF (130595) | more than 13 years ago | (#233168)

How is this done? with 2 camera's, both rendering in 1 part of the screen (left and right, 2 viewports), one in front of you with a 180degrees pov using gluPerspective(180.0 ...) and one behind you ? or 4 camera's with 4 viewports next to eachother, with a POV of 90 degrees? (like you use when you're creating dynamic cubemaps).
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Frame Rate Hit (1)

BadBlood (134525) | more than 13 years ago | (#233170)

I believe with this mod you'll get quite a frame-rate hit, as your "potentially viewable set" of polygons basically increases at least 4-fold. Quite an interesting mod, however; and yet another feather in the cap of open-source.

Re:New map with the download! (1)

enneff (135842) | more than 13 years ago | (#233171)

Pretty amazing, especially considering that .wad files were the map format for Doom.

Re:Had a little fun, got a little sick (2)

enneff (135842) | more than 13 years ago | (#233173)

"By the way, has anyone else noticed after playing games like q3 the original quake just doesn't seem like much of a challenge at all!"

Substitute 'games like q3' with 'multiplayer' and you're more on the ball. The reality is that if you played anyone half-good at Quake 1 they'd whip your sorry ass. Q1 is so much faster that I can't stand to play any of the later games. (CounterStrike is pretty quick at times, too, but it's a completely different game)

round monitors? (1)

Scrag (137843) | more than 13 years ago | (#233174)

It's cool to see this done on a 2d display, but I bet its possible to set up a projector to display it on the inside of a globe-screen. It wouldn't be able to get the full 360 of course, but most people can't see 360 degrees anyway. Even if it was 360 degrees, it would look a whole lot less distorted on a curved surface...

Just my $.02

Hmmm (5)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 13 years ago | (#233175)

I'd have a hard time getting used to the curvature. I think a rocket is going to miss me and suddenly it loops to the left and hits me square in the ass...

This could be interesting for certain mods...

Re:Had a little fun, got a little sick (1)

.Maj (139160) | more than 13 years ago | (#233176)

What sucked was how slow it ran though, quite a bit slower then q3 on my system (a AMD duron 600)
Try setting the slices variable lower. 8 still looks decent and runs much faster.

Re:Playing Quake like this causing health problems (1)

harvardian (140312) | more than 13 years ago | (#233177)

I don't think it's refresh rate as you say it may be. I've played Quake a lot of places, and no matter the refresh rate it still manages to give me a headache and make me dizzy pretty quickly. I think it's something more intgeral to the game itself. Still, I don't think that something is a de-synching of brain waves. I mean, I went through a good number of psych courses before switching to CS (and what a switch), and my dad's a shrink, so I've read a good deal of psychiatric literature. It just seems like such dubious logic, "well, they get headaches...and we see delta waves...which we know nothing really about...they must be the result of de-synching of bain waves." I thought delta waves were a good thing, since they're found in deep sleep. For all we know, Quake taps into and refreshes our brain with this weird sleep-like state and the headaches are just a result of the bright lights.

Also, one thing I learned from my psych courses: be very wary of what you're reading. A lot of studies are done by people looking to get fame or tenure, and so they make mild results sound more impressive so that they can get published.

Woh... Seriously trippy :) (1)

elegant7x (142766) | more than 13 years ago | (#233179)

PanQuake: Best when played on acid.



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Hrm? (1)

elegant7x (142766) | more than 13 years ago | (#233180)

You mean the "It's PotQuake" refrence? First of all, I didn't even see it untill just now. I don't normaly deal with the sub 2 rabble here unless it's a reply to one of my comments

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Re:Woh... Seriously trippy :) (1)

elegant7x (142766) | more than 13 years ago | (#233181)

Is it the normal modus opperandi of a karma whore to loose karma? but I digress. What does my user info have to do with anything?

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Had a little fun, got a little sick (3)

elegant7x (142766) | more than 13 years ago | (#233183)

Yeh, yeh, I'm a looser, but I did feel a *wee* bit nauseous playing this at 360 (btw, don't forget to set the console variable pfov to 360, otherwise you only get a half-way panoramic view). But it was well worth it. What sucked was how slow it ran though, quite a bit slower then q3 on my system (a AMD duron 600)

By the way, has anyone else noticed after playing games like q3 the original quake just doesn't seem like much of a challenge at all! I mean the bad guys don't move around much at all, you've just got to circle strafe around them and leisurely blow them to bits :P

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Re:Playing Quake like this causing health problems (3)

elegant7x (142766) | more than 13 years ago | (#233184)

Actually, I think playing in a Cave environment would actually cause less problems the playing it on a flat big screen monitor. Since a cave is a true stereoscopic environment, the signals from the game wouldn't require any more processing then something like playing a game of football.

Of course, in real life you have *a lot* more sensorial ques as to what's going on. Whereas in these VR systems you're eyes are disagreeing with the rest of your body.

I played through the original shareware game with this, and I do feel a little nauseous :P. I think part of the problem was that I turned down the 'slices' the game uses, so that when I panned left or right I would get these 'wavy' effects. It was either that or low frame rates, which are also bothersome. And I wouldn't rule out interacting with a seriously weird visual environment as a cause either ^__^

But anyway, just about everything can have a deleterious effect on your health. If quake gives you painful headaches then don't play it. If it only causes a little irritation, then who cares? It's not like it's slowly killing you.

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Re:Playing Quake like this causing health problems (4)

e_n_d_o (150968) | more than 13 years ago | (#233186)

Hey you in there... unlock that door right this minute!!! I know what you're doing in there... don't you know that'll make you go blind?
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Re:mulltiple projector system [redundant] (1)

sydb (176695) | more than 13 years ago | (#233188)

Yeah, well it does say that on their web page...

Quake 1? (2)

Fervent (178271) | more than 13 years ago | (#233189)

Isn't that Quake 1? What's up with the Quake III logo? (By the way, why didn't they mod Quake III?)

Re:round monitors? (2)

boaworm (180781) | more than 13 years ago | (#233190)

Perhaps it could be possible to use 3D glasses with this. Add a small gyro to the headset, and you should have +mlook in the head :)

Although, those glasses gives one h**l of an headache after a short while, and I like to play games for more then 15 minutes =)

Escher (4)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 13 years ago | (#233191)

Looking at the screen shots reminds me of Escher. All those wild angles. don't pan too fast it might make you sick! I think I would likely want to configure it so that the aspect ratio was a little wider. Maybe this would be suitable for the 3 panel Panasonic monitor that folks where going nuts over last year.

Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip

Hang on a minute!! (2)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 13 years ago | (#233193)

From the "Fisheye Quake" page...

I could do this because a while ago I got the source code for quake (linux, 1.01), which wasn't meant to be distributed though, so there is no way I can legally distribute the Linux fisheye quake, source, or binaries. Please don't even ask.

Erm, how about
ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/source/q1source.z ip?

huh? (2)

7-Vodka (195504) | more than 13 years ago | (#233194)

seta fov 360.

:) nuff said

"just connect this to..."
BZZT.

big enough monitor? maybe... (1)

Tigris666 (197729) | more than 13 years ago | (#233196)

it might be good if you had a huge HUGE monitor, otherwise how ya gonna rail those bastards? its hard enough to aim that thing as it is, now everyone is gonna be like 2 pixels in size, try pinpointing that!

even harder with the keyboard, hahahahaha!

as if i dont cop enough rails in the back already, atleast i'll see them coming now... breifly...

Re:This has totally been posted before :) (1)

minkey (209225) | more than 13 years ago | (#233197)

funny, cos Aard only just finished it. Fisheye has been out for a while tho, maybe thats what youve seen before ?

Re:Important question (1)

minkey (209225) | more than 13 years ago | (#233198)

3rd screen from the top is dm4 'the bad place' its one of the standard quake dm maps, personally i hate it :)

I think ... I'm gonna ... [brsphlphlph!] (1)

tenzig_112 (213387) | more than 13 years ago | (#233199)

As soon as I find a cylindrical monitor, I'm a sound as a pound! Nobody's gonna sneak up and frag me now!

Froget Mercator projection, download Peters Projection Quake [ridiculopathy.com] today!

Re:Little Known DOOM Feature (2)

infiniti99 (219973) | more than 13 years ago | (#233200)

Hey, I used to play DOOM a lot, and I didn't know about that feature. Guess I didn't read the docs fully, and I'm probably not the only one.

Re:Playing Quake like this causing health problems (2)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 13 years ago | (#233202)

Oddly enough, I frequently get a headache when playing various incarnations of Half-life on a 21" monitor that I've never gotten on a 17". But I think the problem was more glare-related than desynched brainwaves, because when I cut the lights in the room, the headaches went away...

Re:Hmmm (1)

morie (227571) | more than 13 years ago | (#233203)

Nice sig. Did you realise that the name of the person who did this hack, "Aardappel", means potato? So who would be the steak?

Re:Had a little fun, got a little sick (1)

grammar fascist (239789) | more than 13 years ago | (#233204)

Q1 is so much faster that I can't stand to play any of the later games.

Eh? You're right about the multiplayer thing, but Quake 3 IS inherently faster than Quake 1. The game units have stayed pretty much the same size, but players can run faster (and there's also strafe-jumping, where you can go up to 1.5 times faster than when you run), jump higher (high enough to get over another player - try that in Quake 1), and shoot more rapid-fire weapons (machine gun, plasma gun, lightning gun, BFG). There's even a nearly-instagib hit-scan weapon (the railgun), which can frag players - almost as soon as they spawn in - from across the map. Lifts have been removed in favor of bounce pads and accelerator pads. The maps are arenas, designed for fast action and lots of gibs. One of the powerups is "haste," which makes you move 1.3 times faster (I looked at the code). The reaction most people have when they go from Q1 multiplayer straight to Q3 is "Wow, that's fast. How do you actually play it?" (That was the general consensus when we changed our lunch hour playtime from Q1 to Q3, anyway.)

Now, if you're talking about how fast your graphics card can RENDER it, that's another story. You can pick yourself up a Radeon 32MB DDR for around 80 bucks nowadays...

Whoa (1)

Cyph (240321) | more than 13 years ago | (#233205)

I just installed this thing, and after 5 minutes of playtime, I started getting dizzy. I guess what the medics say is true, playing 3D games on a huge screen can cause some health troubles. I gotta admit though, the thing is addicting.

Why bother with Pan when you can Fisheye? (1)

jarodss (243400) | more than 13 years ago | (#233206)

Take a look at the site in the story, it has a mod for fisheye, that looks like a highly useful tool for fraging behind you.
ok so it's a little blurry when someone comes up behind, but you can turn into the blur and blow them out of the water.

multiple monitor unreal (2)

ByteHog (247706) | more than 13 years ago | (#233208)

I found this picture [theofficenet.com] , but for the life of me, i cannot remember where the website was. Unreal on 5 monitors!! cool!!

Re:/. effect logs.... (1)

V50 (248015) | more than 13 years ago | (#233209)

Dear Mr. Coward;
Yes I am aware that people use Windows when they would like to use Linux. Infact I'm using Windows right now due to reasons beyond my control. I was just pointing out that it was a little suprising to see only 13% UNIX on a UNIX site. And most of the 4% or so that is unknown is probably Konqueror. I use the same stat page on my site and Konqueror doesn't identify itself. And only 80% of the hits are from the /. effect. Alltogether the stat raises to probably 20% UNIX. Though I can't be sure.

At least I don't post as an AC when I have something "Offtopic" to post.


--Volrath50

/. effect logs.... (2)

V50 (248015) | more than 13 years ago | (#233210)

What I find very interesting is two links away from the /.ed page is a page that has logs [212.142.37.162] it's not a direct /.ing but still interesting. Only 11% of the people use Linux. And I do know I'll probably get modded offtopic for this so unless I post something releted to Quake. I'll try to think of something about Quake....

Has anyone tried the Fisheye Quake? It looks quite interesting only I tried it on my Win98 Box with Quake and now I'm in DLL hell. Can't find WDIRxxF.DLL. Anyway I'll see if I can get the other one working. Though on my cruddy Win98 box (or any of my boxen for that matter) it'll probably suck as It's just a Conpaq K6-II 380MHz with a 4Meg non-3d card.


--Volrath50

Take that, Quake 3 (1)

Voltaire99 (265100) | more than 13 years ago | (#233211)

Nice op-art effects by Aardappel.

Heh. Even distorted in this way, Quake 1 maps look so much cooler than Quake 3 maps. :)

Re:Escher (1)

Bobo the Space Chimp (304349) | more than 13 years ago | (#233212)

Wasn't there a FOV (field of view) command for Quake that would let you set > 90 degree angle?

I used to be in a CTF clan and there was some theoretical magical setup of that > 90 degrees so you could see more (not to mention other switches reducing visual quality until the pixels were the size of sheets of paper on the ground.)

Speaking of which, the network rate was tied to the frame rate, wasn't it? How can you alter that so I can have a go at that old game on the Internet again with machines that do 90 billion FPS?

Re:Had a little fun, got a little sick (1)

Bobo the Space Chimp (304349) | more than 13 years ago | (#233213)

As soon as I got my first GL-capable card (Matrox M3D) I joined the GL bandwagon.

Some weeks later I started Quake in normal mode, not GL, and the 3d accellerator still made it so hellishly fast I was getting something on the order of 80fps, roughly what my monitor refresh rate was capable of.

Yes, I still had the huge pixels, but I noticed two things:

1. The lack of blurriness that GL adds as a "feature". It may smoothe things out, but it makes the scene feel less real. Fires and lights seemed much brighter too.

2. More importantly, the high speed made it seem not like a game, but like a window to another world (if a very blocky world.)

Now I've a much better machine, and can do very detailed scenes at 80+fps, but it just doesn't have the same effect.

The blurriness modern 3d cards provide as a feature actually detracts from the reality of the scene on a subconscious level. So to with the inferior lighting. The lights, fires, just don't seem anywhere as real as the pixelated torches in old Quake in non-GL mode.

Re:Had a little fun, got a little sick (1)

Bobo the Space Chimp (304349) | more than 13 years ago | (#233214)

Quakeworld introduced all kinds of prediction and whatnot, and the 3D online world has never recovered from it.

There's something that just busts the immersion factore: players jumping around.

Quake prior to Quakeworld may have been a network hog, but you knew where everyone was because the server won out, not your local client.

Re:Had a little fun, got a little sick (1)

Bobo the Space Chimp (304349) | more than 13 years ago | (#233215)

> "By the way, has anyone else noticed after
> playing games like q3 the original quake just
> doesn't seem like much of a challenge at all!"

After playing Serious Sam single-player on Serious, none of those games seem a challenge anymore. Heck, I even managed two years ago to duplicate the QDQR-style slaughter of the lava god, if somewhat poorly, in 36 seconds.

Re:Cool hack, but what's the framerate (1)

Bobo the Space Chimp (304349) | more than 13 years ago | (#233216)

> Films run ad 24fps, TV runs at 30fps.. perhaps
> you could go a little faster.. but anything over
> that is a waste and the performance should be on
> making the shit on the screen look better.. not
> faster framerate.

Absolutely not! 60fps is a bare minimum, you really want 80fps or better from my own experiences. The lack of speed on TV or film framerates is easily visible any time something moves fatster than a snail's pace.

In fact, one of the last, silly things 3dfx did before dying was put in motion blurr to SIMULATE slower framerates of movies!!! God almighty, what a stupid thing.

Games keep ahead of the hardware curve and are constantly chugging away at 30fps or worse, providing maximum detail at the expense of framerate. Tribes 2 may be the worst offender in history in this regard. You really have to have a brutish system to do anything other than defend your own base using a heavy. 5 blocky fps when the shit hits the fan just won't cut it. It's too soon for my 450 MHz PIII + Voodoo 3 to make me into a hobo living in a cardboard box.

Anyway, 60 fps is noticeable, especially when turning rapidly. 80fps or better is much better. Most monitors now run 130+fps for up to 1024x768, so let's see some 3d cards keep up with that and keep the JND (just noticeable difference) well below even subconscious perception.

Re:Cool hack, but what's the framerate (1)

tb3 (313150) | more than 13 years ago | (#233221)

Simulator rides use two techniques: matching the motion of the ride to the motion in the film and play the film back at a high frame rate (somewhere between 60-70 fps).

The system was invented by Douglas Trumbull back in the seventies, when it was discovered that a faster framerate gave a heightened sense of reality. (I think IMAX films use a higher framerate, too, but I'm not sure.)

So, yeah if you want to trick the brain into believing it's 'real' a faster framerate will work. At least 60, but I don't know what the upper limit is.
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direct-to-brain sourceport (1)

npongratz (319266) | more than 13 years ago | (#233223)

I'd like to experience Quake without looking at a computer screen. Instead have some sort of EM ray exite part of my brain to directly control what I'm seeing. Heh, THEN let's try that panoramic view...see how long it takes me to ralph...

Re:big enough monitor? maybe... (1)

npongratz (319266) | more than 13 years ago | (#233224)

...otherwise how ya gonna rail those bastards?

It's gonna be damn hard . . . this is a q1 sourceport . . . q1 doesn't have the railgun that you find in q3a.

mulltiple projector system (1)

mod you later (326902) | more than 13 years ago | (#233225)

my uni has a multiple projector system for system which encompasses your entire vision. now if only i could use it and install some software, a geforce 3 etc...

what i'm really amazed at is how they've managed to actually do this - it's essencially a curved lens effect, but any normal curved lens means that just drawing straight lines between vectors wouldn't actually join up correctly - instead you'd normally have to do scanline rendering. what it looks like here, is that they've divided up the screen into vertical strips and rendered these seperately and them stuck them back together maybe. i'm going to have another look at the screenshots - there's definately some angles that didn't exist in surfaces before...

i was angry:1 with:2 my:4 friend - i told:3 4 wrath:5, 4 5 did end.

Escher and quake (3)

Vintermann (400722) | more than 13 years ago | (#233226)

When I looked at "Relativity" [worldofescher.com] by Escher, I thought that it would be bizarre if you modeled that scene as a quake map. It's actually possible, and I think that it's interesting, if not useful or fun for deathmatches :-) .

There is a different Escher picture that is interesting to compare with the screenshot [fov120.com] in the link: up and down [unc.edu] .
It's not excacty the same type of distortion. Actually, I'm quite suprised Escher never used that particular type of distortion, I guess it shows that the style of art he created is by no means exhausted.

What for? (4)

zero1101 (444838) | more than 13 years ago | (#233227)

This is great if you don't find Quake to be hard enough already. For an additional challenge, the Jack Daniels mod can be found at http://yourlocaliquorstore.com.

Playing Quake like this causing health problems? (4)

reposter (450888) | more than 13 years ago | (#233229)

I recently read some research (in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), but I can't find the article at the moment) which proved that some 3d game engines are potentially dangerous to health. The researchers reported that the dangers to health increase exponentially as the size of the screen on which the games is played increases.
The problem is to do with the way the game engine handle 3d images around the edge of the screen, and the way in which these images are processed by the brain. The researchers measured the EEG (electroencephalogram, "brain waves") of gamers whilst playing 3d games. The researchers noted that the EEG changed from its normal "beta" activity (characterised by 14-60Hz oscillations), and gained a low frequency component (delta waves, in the 0.5-2Hz range, which normally only occur during deep sleep).

The researchers attributed this change in brain activity to high frequency components in the rapidly changing images at the side of the screen in some 3d engines. The effect of these high frequency images on the gamer's peripheral vision caused desynchronisation of the gamers EEG rhythms, leading to headaches, irritability, nausea and (in the worse cases) epileptic attacks. The researchers found that these unfortunate side effects got considerably worse when the games were played on large screens.

My question is, will playing Quake on a huge screen like that in a CAVE be responsible for causing serious health problems in gamers?
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