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Cisco Exits the Consumer Market, Sells Linksys To Belkin

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the circle-of-business-life dept.

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Krystalo writes "Belkin on Thursday announced plans to acquire Cisco's Home Networking Business Unit, including its products, technology, employees, and even the well-known Linksys brand. Belkin says it plans to maintain the Linksys brand and will offer support for Linksys products as part of the transaction, financial details for which were not disclosed. This should be a relatively smooth transition that won't affect current customers: Belkin says it will honor all valid warranties for current and future Linksys products. After the transaction closes, Belkin will account for approximately 30 percent of the U.S. retail home and small business networking market."

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WTB Cisco Switch (4, Insightful)

ButchDeLoria (2772751) | about a year ago | (#42685629)

Wonderful, now there's no good router on the market.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (2)

Hovsep (883939) | about a year ago | (#42686055)

Asus and Buffalo?

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (3, Insightful)

MrBippers (1091791) | about a year ago | (#42686155)

My current Asus router (dd-WRT) and the Buffalo router it replaced (tomato) have been flawless. I remember having a Linksys WRT54G with a legitimate hardware issue years ago and having to jump through a massive array of hoops to actually convince of it. There was a massive chain of emails every single question of which could have been answered by reading the first email I sent. No love lost here.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (1)

Dewin (989206) | about a year ago | (#42686539)

I remember having a Linksys WRT54G with a legitimate hardware issue years ago

Okay, I bought the story at Linksys but lost it at WRT54G. Though I suppose Cisco could have botched the newer hardware revisions ;)

Our WRT54G is about... 9 years old. Still runs as our primary router with nary a hiccup. I managed to get a hold of 3 WRT600Ns as well -- the one that I've actually put dd-wrt on and put into service (with the intent of expanding our wifi coverage to the basement) can't actually hold a decent connection speed (speed from wireless device to router is fine, speed from router to WAN is fine as evidenced by an Ethernet-connected PC, speed from wireless router to WAN is abysmal...)

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (3, Informative)

Ironhandx (1762146) | about a year ago | (#42686663)

I have a 3400 sqft house with a single Asus router running the whole deal.

I also went through 2 WRT54G's in as many years. I find both stories believeable, but of the people I know, no one is actually still using their WRT54G for anything other than one guy is using it for a small wired subnet. The wireless generally loses range on them as they get older for some inexplicable reason.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (1)

Skater (41976) | about a year ago | (#42686979)

I have a 3400 sqft house with a single Asus router running the whole deal.

I also went through 2 WRT54G's in as many years. I find both stories believeable, but of the people I know, no one is actually still using their WRT54G for anything other than one guy is using it for a small wired subnet. The wireless generally loses range on them as they get older for some inexplicable reason.

You can count me as someone using one for his regular home network. The laptop I'm typing this on is connected to the net through it! It's an old v1.1 model that I've never had a single issue with. I bought it in 2001 or 2002, I think.

I intend to upgrade to an N router with gigabit ethernet soon. We have several N devices now, and I often transfer large raw picture files over the network, so a faster network would be nice, plus the some of the computers with ethernet ports have gigabit now, so I might as well take advantage of that.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (2)

Proudrooster (580120) | about a year ago | (#42687059)

I concur, and am using the ASUS Dark Knight to cover the house and .5 acres built into a hill. The ASUS products might start off a little rough when they are just released, mostly buggy firmware, but ASUS does get it right and the hardware is solid. The ASUS never needs rebooting and takes daily streaming abuse. I bought my mother-in-law a $80 Belkin for Christmas and it needs resets every couple of weeks. Why didn't I just buy the $160 ASUS and save myself the hassle?

I am not down on the WRT54G, it just can't handle the traffic load in 2013. Even after loading DD-WRT, it and it still couldn't keep up with the incoming 30Mbps connection. I still have it as a backup, but it is not streaming capable.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (2)

adolf (21054) | about a year ago | (#42687863)

I am not down on the WRT54G, it just can't handle the traffic load in 2013. Even after loading DD-WRT, it and it still couldn't keep up with the incoming 30Mbps connection. I still have it as a backup, but it is not streaming capable.

I thought I was nearing the edge of useability on a WRT54GL with a 12Mbps connection: Load average when doing lots of stuff (ie: torrents and streaming) was 0.8. It seemed to be holding on quite well enough, though, so I ignored it for a long time.

Eventually I dug into the settings (in TomatoUSB in my case, but whatever) and discovered that it was logging details about -every- -single- -connection- and storing that log in flash.

So, I turned that feature off. Load average went down to less than 0.1 with QoS and all the bells and whistles going, just no logging. I have no doubt that the box would've dealt with 30Mbps of traffic just fine in that configuration, though I can confidently predict that it would have shit itself with 30Mbps and logging enabled.

It's been ages since I used DD-WRT on Linksys WRT* hardware, but it's probably got similar functionality that can be turned off. Flash is slow and CPU-intensive on these boxes, and limiting its use might turn your old WRT54G into a useful backup device instead of something whose very existence you will curse if you're ever forced to use it again.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#42687821)

I am still using the 2 I bought damn near 10 years ago now. Ive tried different routers, and ill probably go with a new spec one in another year. but these things have been bulletproof for me.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year ago | (#42688009)

I have a 3400 sqft house with a single Asus router running the whole deal.

I also went through 2 WRT54G's in as many years. I find both stories believeable, but of the people I know, no one is actually still using their WRT54G for anything other than one guy is using it for a small wired subnet. The wireless generally loses range on them as they get older for some inexplicable reason.

I must be the exception, the Linksys WRT54G I bought in 2005 still worked as well as the day I bought it when I retired it in 2012. The Belkin POS it was replaced with (not my decision unfortunately) has given me nothing but grief in the last 8 months.

Might just be where you're living, any extreme cold or humidity? But Linksys gear has gone to crap since then. I'd recommend Asus or Netgear over Linksys at this point in time.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687989)

I have a WRT54G V2 running dd-wrt. It's my second. The radio in the first one I had died after several years of use. At the time it died, Linksys had released a newer version of the 54G that didn't have enough memory to run Linux and the 54GL hadn't yet been announced so there wasn't a Linux compatible version of the 54G being offered. This was somewhere around 2004 or '05. Luckily, my sister had a still-in-the-box 54G V2 which she gave me and I'm now still using.

For about a year I've been considering upgrading to a dd-wrt compatible N router with USB port (to replace my NSLU2 NAS), but haven't purchased anything yet.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (5, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#42686151)

Don't be ridiculous. There's plenty of great routers out there. My Cisco E1000 is working flawlessly, now that it's loaded with DD-WRT.

Now, if you're looking for a consumer-grade router that has both great hardware and firmware out of the box, you can forget about it, but I'm not sure such a beast has ever existed. But there's lots of decent hardware out there that can be reflashed with an alternative firmware like DD-WRT. The enterprise-grade stuff is crap too BTW: I used to have a couple of Aironet access points and those things were a total PITA to set up because of Cisco's wacky IOS system. The hardware was really nice, I'll admit (all-metal chassis, kinda looks like something out of a UFO, could be dropped off the Empire State Building and suffer only slight damage), but the software and web interface were ridiculously bad unless you want to spend a lot of time becoming an expert in IOS. By contrast, DD-WRT does pretty much everything IOS could do (including RADIUS authentication) and it, despite being Free, has a perfectly usable web interface that anyone competent with computers and networking can look at once and figure out.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (3, Interesting)

SolitaryMan (538416) | about a year ago | (#42686337)

My experience with Linksys consumer routers is that they are crap. IMO they were only damaging Cisco's brand. Good riddance for them.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (3, Insightful)

mattventura (1408229) | about a year ago | (#42686873)

They just try to cut costs way too much on their home products. They know that home users are likely to just buy whatever looks best on the store shelf/whatever the salesman tries to push on them.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (5, Informative)

mrops (927562) | about a year ago | (#42686547)

Actually, I have found Netgear to be consistently better than Linksys/Cisco routers for a long long time. Two linksys I owned would hang and reboo often in the 802.11g days.

Moved to a netgear 802.11n router and has been great.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#42686783)

hasnt been for a while now, I cant tell the difference between my chi-co and my old linksys

oh yes I can, the chi-co cost 1/3 the price, has more feature, and is just a non-branded belkin

what about Cisco and Juniper? (0)

mschaffer (97223) | about a year ago | (#42686903)

What about Cisco and Juniper. Cisco just dumped Linksys, but they still make routers. Juniper makes routers, too!
Also, don't forget about so many routers that can be "upgraded" by installing dd-WRT.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687067)

I have a Netgear wnr3500 something or another, and have been really happy with it. The stock firmware seemed great compared to linksys, but I loaded ddwrt on it the first day.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687111)

Wonderful, now there's no good router on the market.

There never was, if you're talking Consumer grade. Belkin, Netgear, and Linksys all have shit models and a few good models, and for each model they have decent versions and shit versions. The only thing that made Linksys any "better" overall was the ease of loading your own firmware, but if you're not into that type of thing then there's no clear winner or loser. You really need to do your homework on specific models and not automatically dismiss or include any particular brand.

Another word of caution- don't purchase from discount retail outlets, especially Wal-Mart. They often will make such large purchases that the router maker will actually contract a special production run from an especially shitty chip production facility so they can give a really good price to the store. The result is a much higher than normal failure rate if you're putting any significant load on the equipment.

Another option to consider is to ignore the price savings you get for buying an "all in one" unit. You can really get a lot more done if you use a stand-alone wireless access point and hook it to a decent wired router instead of using the wireless router combo unit. If you're going to be doing a lot of switching on your LAN, use an external switch instead of the built-in 5 port one. Those low-end consumer models simply don't have enough backplane capacity, not to mention RAM and CPU power, to use all the options to their fullest.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (1)

LiENUS (207736) | about a year ago | (#42687153)

Mikrotik are pretty decent on the consumer end, a bit pricey and no dual band stuff in the consumer range (hell no 5ghz period in the consumer range) but nice for what they are.

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687499)

Linux [speedguide.net] isn't good?

Re:WTB Cisco Switch (2)

esseph (995410) | about a year ago | (#42687545)

(reposted, because I forgot to login) No good consumer router on the market? Are you MAD? http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax [ubnt.com]
Over 1million PPS. Based on a forked Vyatta, running on a dual core MIPS64 Cavium Octeon with IPv4 (and soon IPv6) hardware offload, with a debian base. You can apt-get install from the MIPS repos all day. Check the Tolly Report here: http://dl.ubnt.com/Tolly212127UbiquitiEdgeRouterLitePricePerformance.pdf [ubnt.com] , where it beat a Cisco 3925 and Juniper J6350 into the ground. Total cost for these buggers? $99. Warning, they are on backorder with all the distributors until roughly middle of Feb. Oh, and you're welcome.

Finally (5, Informative)

mrmeval (662166) | about a year ago | (#42685631)

The Linksys stuff took a nose dive in both reliability and software quality under Cisco's steerage. Belkin does better for some things though they are spotty on others. They are a very large player and I hope they unfuck what cisco's been fucking up.

Re:Finally (5, Informative)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#42685761)

Linksys hardware under Cisco was pretty good. The firmware is what really bombed. I'll still take a Linksys any day so long as I can put DD-WRT or similar on it.

Re:Finally (1)

xkenny13 (309849) | about a year ago | (#42685951)

My most recent upgrade was from a LinkSys WRT54GS v2 to the ASUS RT-N16 Wireless Router 802.11b/g/n. I put the Tomato WRT software on the ASUS router and it's been running flawlessly now for over a year.

YMMV, of course...

Re:Finally (2)

aztracker1 (702135) | about a year ago | (#42686603)

Tomato USB/VPN on the RT-N16 is awesome.. the RT-N12 is decent as well... Love mine.. though did have one DOA.. it's been my goto router for a couple years now... pretty much displaced the old WRTs in my mind. The stock firmware is crap though.

Re:Finally (1)

snspdaarf (1314399) | about a year ago | (#42686849)

My experience was the opposite, mostly. Several Linksys devices worked for a while, then just stopped. As in stopped in the middle of a web page load. The last one did have firmware problems, and by then I was sick of Linksys, and bought a MikroTik.

Re:Finally (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#42687207)

From what I remember their products always worked for me in the Pre-Cisco days. After Cisco, I remember getting a new Linksys router and having to wait 2 mins for it to respond to every single setting change. And then it would reboot randomly. This was in the first 4 hours of owning it. I looked it up on newegg and found I wasn't alone. I returned it the next day.

What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices (2)

afidel (530433) | about a year ago | (#42685633)

What does this mean for the non-IOS/NXOS devices with roots at Linksys, did Chambers and company finally realize that they were diluting and tarnishing their name by slapping the Cisco logo on such utter crap?

Why do you call LinkSys "crap"? apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42685967)

I've had 1 of their wired units since the day they came out, BEFSX41 & it absolutely rocks! It's a true stateful packet inspecting router & NAT firewalling device that actually works (& has a lot of nifty features I've seen that higher-end routers, yes, including CISCO IOS based ones, have too!) - especially once setup in "bridged" mode.

* Still, I'd like to hear your reasoning, if not actual documented PROOFS (vs. the model I have & noted above especially of course, since I own & utilize it), that back your statement...

APK

P.S.=> I am truly just curious on WHY you'd call their routers crap is all - perhaps you know something I don't? It's possible, & I'm willing to listen + perhaps MAYBE even learn a thing or two... thanks for your time & reply!

... apk

Re:Why do you call LinkSys "crap"? apk (2)

afidel (530433) | about a year ago | (#42686295)

I wasn't really talking about the routers (though most of them are crap, overheating problems abound, firmware is terrible, the whole cloud management fiasco, etc) but more things like the switches. I hear time and again from colleges that have to deal with clients with unmanaged or web "managed" switches that aren't working for whatever reason and where the consultant can't diagnose anything because the tools aren't there, the clients of course come back with "but I bought a Cisco, I was told they were the best!" Heck, our own telecom guy got suckered into that game, he told the VAR he needed an inexpensive Cisco switch for a midsized branch office, he was sold a Linksys unit with a Cisco badge, five dead ports and no ability to troubleshoot the issues later (probably $10k in lost productivity and IT time) and we finally had a real unit bought and sent to the location and haven't had a problem with it in 3 years.

Re:Why do you call LinkSys "crap"? apk (2)

pnutjam (523990) | about a year ago | (#42687373)

This is more of a problem with people who don't see the up front value in someone who knows networking. Anybody who knows networking should be able to differentiate between an unmanaged, web-managed, and managed switch.
It frustrates the hell out of me to see people cheap out on the upfront cost and get upset when I have to charge them for all the time it takes to fix things. God forbid they listen to my recommendations.

Re:What about the Cisco branded Linksys devices (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#42686167)

There's nothing all that wrong with the Linksys hardware, in fact much of it has been excellent for the price point. The firmware, under Cisco, has been another story, but that's what DD-WRT is for.

What does CISCO stand for? (3, Funny)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#42685637)

Choice of
Investments
Suck
Causing
Outrage

Join in the fun!

Re:What does CISCO stand for? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42685721)

Cost Is So Completely Outrageous

Re:What does CISCO stand for? (5, Funny)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about a year ago | (#42685771)

Casualty In Senseless Chinese Outsourcing

Re:What does CISCO stand for? (2)

El Torico (732160) | about a year ago | (#42685937)

Have you tried to fit modules into a chassis after they changed suppliers to Chinese ones? Damn, I need a two pound sledgehammer to seat them now

Re:What does CISCO stand for? (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#42685965)

How much does a Cisco two-pound sledge cost after you factor in the warranty coverage, firmware licensing, and maintenance contract?

Re: What does CISCO stand for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687819)

Considering they used to charge $1200 for 64MB CF cards to go in the 6509 Supervisor cards, I'm not sure i even want to think about it.

Re:What does CISCO stand for? (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year ago | (#42688019)

Have you tried to fit modules into a chassis after they changed suppliers to Chinese ones? Damn, I need a two pound sledgehammer to seat them now

You wont get a sledge hammer from Cisco for only two quid mate.

Not that they were doing much with the brand (4, Insightful)

eksith (2776419) | about a year ago | (#42685653)

Cisco is to the consumer market what Oracle is to Java.

I was always confused with where Linksys belonged under Cisco. The not quite SOHO, not quite SME limbo was reflected on some of their decisions. Well, this just proves Cisco has no idea what to do with the general consumer market (E.G. The Flip).

Re:Not that they were doing much with the brand (4, Interesting)

Lehk228 (705449) | about a year ago | (#42686133)

linksys was getting good enough to compete in SO and SME and even for peripheral installs in large enterprise. this would have cost Cisco a lot of money, so they bought them up and made them shitty

voip products (2)

chipperdog (169552) | about a year ago | (#42685685)

Since the linksys branding to Cisco, is there a cheat sheet explaining which VoIP products are linksys and which are Cisco?

Belkin (5, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#42685701)

I think I speak for many who have worked with 'Belkin' equipment when I say...

"Fuck."

*sigh* (5, Informative)

SIGBUS (8236) | about a year ago | (#42685757)

Indeed. Belkin has been on my "do not buy" list ever since the spam router [theregister.co.uk] fiasco. Then again, I guess it's fitting, after Linksys' Cloud Connect WTF.

On the other hand, anything that won't run DD-WRT, Tomato, or OpenWRT is on my "do not buy" list anyway...

Re:*sigh* (2)

evilad (87480) | about a year ago | (#42685803)

That's the problem: they just bought most of the most popular platforms for those firmwares.

Re:*sigh* (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42685839)

There's Buffalo. Buffalo is pretty good, and some of their routers come with a variant of WRT already installed.

Re:*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687249)

Agreed buffalo has some seriously heavy hardware going for the price and they support dd-wrt out of box.

Re:Belkin (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42686101)

I like Belkin. They kept drivers for my cheap pci wireless card on their website for over a decade, and provided an update for windows 7 a full 7 years after the card stopped being sold. Their routers look really cheap though, and I wouldn't dare try one in their current incarnation.

Re:Belkin (0)

Just Brew It! (636086) | about a year ago | (#42686119)

I just got rid of my Belkin UPS. The batteries gave out, and I do not feel like spending any money to replace them. There was something seriously wrong with the design of the charging circuitry; it ran hot even when it wasn't using the inverter.

Re:Belkin (1)

PNutts (199112) | about a year ago | (#42687583)

Yeah, I bought Belkin's high end routers for my home and fought them every step of the way, replacing a new router with a newer router just to get it to work. I finally bought a Time Capsule and everything's worked since.

Re:Belkin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687661)

I think I speak for many who have worked with 'Belkin' equipment when I say...

"Fuck."

I had a belkin wifi Gigabit router that overheated and crashed repeatedly. A piece of junk! When I saw this news post I also thought "FUCK!".

and nothing of value was lost (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42685733)

This is definitley a net improvement in quality for both Cisco and Belkin.

Everybody wins!

Good Riddance (3, Insightful)

SpasticMutant (748828) | about a year ago | (#42685737)

Linksys has always been, and will always be, a POS. Moving to Cisco made it even worse. Belkin wasn't any better, but at least they were cheaper. For my money, I prefer the Netgear home switch products. As my Linksys garbage fails, I replace with Netgear, and my problems disappear.

Re:Good Riddance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42685939)

well if it is failing and you replace it, obviously failures go away

Re:Good Riddance (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about a year ago | (#42685985)

My Linksys WRT54GL with Tomato firmware, overclocked to 250 MHz and sporting two 7dBi hi-gain antennas is awesome.

My old Netgear router, on the other hand, was a piece of shit... couldn't be modded, shitty performance, unreliable connection, you name it. Sold that thing as soon as I got my Linksys years ago, and I never regretted it.

Re:Good Riddance (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | about a year ago | (#42686169)

next router is going to be an ASUS, i picked one up for my dad because it had a decent repeater mode to extend the wifi behind the house and i tell ya, the firmware was easier to use and more powerful in terms of options than anything i have seen out of netgear, linksys, or belkin.

Re:Good Riddance (1)

fl!ptop (902193) | about a year ago | (#42686223)

As my Linksys garbage fails, I replace with Netgear, and my problems disappear.

Amen. I used to buy 3Com for businesses and Netgear for SOHO. Now it's Netgear all around.....

Re:Good Riddance (1)

johnny cashed (590023) | about a year ago | (#42686385)

Yeah, it isn't like Netgear hasn't released their own dog turds. I think it is like everything else, when your shoving that much product, some turds slip through.

Re:Good Riddance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687475)

That's some great imagery you've left us with there, thanks.

Re:Good Riddance (1)

smellotron (1039250) | about a year ago | (#42687591)

I think it is like everything else, when your shoving that much product, some turds slip through.

Seen in the warehouse break room:

To whoever keeps shitting on the floor: we have forklifts for a reason. Stop pushing so hard.
-- The Management

Re:Good Riddance (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | about a year ago | (#42686825)

I used to have a Linksys WRT54G2 router on my network. The big problem was after a few months, it would stop connecting my laptop and iPad 2 to the router, forcing a reset of the router--a major annoyance!

I switched to a Netgear N600 (WNDR3700) dual-band router and no longer get Wi-Fi connection problems. :-)

Re:Good Riddance (1)

The Dancing Panda (1321121) | about a year ago | (#42687093)

So far I really like my TP-LINK. I haven't had any problems with it, the throughput is fast, the range is good, and the config software is about what you expect. And it wasn't expensive. And it has a USB on it to work as a print or file server. I like that.

In general it doesnt matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42685743)

So far i haven't seen 'consumer class' networking hardware that was worth a damn.

Re:In general it doesnt matter (1)

El Torico (732160) | about a year ago | (#42685961)

Netgear is what I'd consider the exception to that. Everything I have from Netgear has been reliable.

Re:In general it doesnt matter (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#42686011)

Well... netgear is "ok", but for example the last router/ap from netgear I replaced with an airport extreme. I went frm having barely any signal at the other end of the house to 3 bars... Running a Cisco router at home at the moment, if you don't want to pay retail, check ebay.

Re:In general it doesnt matter (2)

networkzombie (921324) | about a year ago | (#42687647)

Yeah, I have a site that has a WG302. The certificate expired after 3 years, in 2010. How did I know the cert expired? Because the whole thing stopped working. I set the clock back to 2006 and turned off time sync to get it to work. You can still buy them, but they won't work unless they think it is pre-2010. I wouldn't call a router reliable when it shuts down because it has the correct time.

Re:In general it doesnt matter (1)

maxwells_deamon (221474) | about a year ago | (#42687797)

I will not buy netgear because of requiring a internet connection to configure it. I should be able to configure it before I hook it up to any network.

Re:In general it doesnt matter (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about a year ago | (#42687915)

"I will not buy netgear because of requiring a internet connection to configure it. I should be able to configure it before I hook it up to any network."

I am pretty sure it was Cisco that did that to their LinkSys products, not Netgear.

I could be wrong. Maybe Netgear did it too. But I've had Netgear routers before and never had to connect to the internet to configure them.

Re:In general it doesnt matter (2)

FuegoFuerte (247200) | about a year ago | (#42686009)

It really depends what you're trying to do. D-Link's low-power gigabit switches are great, for a dumb switch, and most home users really don't need a managed switch. Sucking down only around 8 watts of power, they're nice and cool to the touch and pretty hard to beat. I also have an old D-Link 802.11g router that has travelled around the world with me, giving me wireless internet in the hotels that only provided wired. It's nothing fancy, but small and has gotten the job done, and has stood up to all the baggage handlers that have thrown it.

Linksys, eh, some of it's ok, some of it's crap. My main router is an old WRT54G or GL (It runs Linux, but I think it might be the early G before they split them into G/GL). The radio on it died some time ago, but the router portion still works OK and has survived several power issues that have killed my cable modems. One of these days I'll get around to configuring the Cisco that's sitting in the garage, but so far I haven't cared enough to bother with it.

Belkin, I decided all of it was crap the day I bought one and tried to change the internal IP to something other than the default 192.168.1.1, and it told me I couldn't. I called their tech support and they told me that was by design. I told them it was a crappy design, and returned the POS.

Surprisingly, some of the best (for the price) consumer gear I've used is the AirLink101 that Fry's used to sell. It was cheap, had decent build quality, and generally had all the features I really needed at 1/3 or less the price of Linksys.

I can't comment on Buffalo as I haven't used their stuff.

Re:In general it doesnt matter (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about a year ago | (#42686085)

What exactly is it lacking? Or do you just like to justify your own outrageously expensive "enterprise class" router purchases by slamming the common "consumer class" products?

I seriously would like to know if I'm actually missing anything of major importance, because my modded WRT54GL seems to be satisfying my own needs quite well over the years.

Could not be happier (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42685801)

I could not be happier that Cisco dumped linksys. It ruined the professional work place. Every want to be engineer now puts Cisco on their resume and states that they are network engineers. Ask them how to access a switch our router and they will tell you through the web gui. Good Bye Linksys.. Soon Belkin will drive the name and the company so far into the ground no one will remember them.

Cisco exits consumer market? (0)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year ago | (#42685827)

what about the CiscoPad iPad-killer tablet that they were gonna sell? Was it not a success?

Re:Cisco exits consumer market? (2)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | about a year ago | (#42686081)

what about the CiscoPad iPad-killer tablet that they were gonna sell? Was it not a success?

That wasn't a consumer device, and not it was not.

Mixed reaction (5, Funny)

Megane (129182) | about a year ago | (#42685963)

Cisco sells Linksys

Yay!

...to Belkin

What in the actual fuck?

Re:Mixed reaction (1)

ChefJeff789 (2020526) | about a year ago | (#42686283)

This was my exact reaction, lol. Every Belkin router myself or family members have purchased has failed after only a few months, if not immediately. Hooray for mediocrity!!

Prepare To Be Hosed (4, Insightful)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | about a year ago | (#42685995)

>'This should be a relatively smooth transition that won't affect current customers"

Every time some corporate droid has told me this regarding a {buyout, merger, acquisition, sale, re-org} a major cockup has followed. The only thing worse is when they use the phrase, "transparent to the end user," and you know the apocalypse is coming next week.

Re:Prepare To Be Hosed (3, Insightful)

Trailer Trash (60756) | about a year ago | (#42687131)

>'This should be a relatively smooth transition that won't affect current customers"

Every time some corporate droid has told me this regarding a {buyout, merger, acquisition, sale, re-org} a major cockup has followed. The only thing worse is when they use the phrase, "transparent to the end user," and you know the apocalypse is coming next week.

The major cockup started a few years ago shortly after Cisco bought them. It can't get worse under Belkin.

It's sad, really. Back in the day I bought 7 or 8 Linksys routers, many of which were put into service in other ways using openwrt. The replaceable antennae was a wonderful feature that I never needed. A few of them didn't even have the radio turned on.

Anyway, I gave up with the Cisco fiasco and started buying Netgear. While Cisco was busy trying to sell the lowest-spec'd machines that still performed the basic functionality Netgear was selling me a router with the *very* decent hardware specs printed on the box. It totally kicks the asses of desktops that I was using 10 years ago.

So it's good to see Linksys isn't under Cisco anymore. Sad that it's with Belkin, but, whatever. At least there's still some competition.

Belkin.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42686181)

I've never had anything from them that worked as it should. Ever. I keep occasionally buying the odd thing - and I think, 'this has to work, they can't all be bad' - and its the same.

The worst gear and brand in my list of bad gear. I may be unlucky, but the stuff is junk, utter junk in my use thus far.

More three card monte accounting games (5, Interesting)

JoeyRox (2711699) | about a year ago | (#42686767)

Ever wonder why some companies seem to constantly be involved in acquisitions and dispositions, esp. companies whose organic growth has slowed to zero? It's because acquisitions/dispositions are a great way to create cookie jar charge-offs to hide underperformance of a company's core business. Now you see it, now you don't.

buyers (0)

v1 (525388) | about a year ago | (#42686775)

Wasn't it inksys that bought cisco awhile ago? and now the hybrid is selling linksys?

either I was confused, or I am confused. Or maybe a bit of both.

Re:buyers (4, Informative)

afidel (530433) | about a year ago | (#42686975)

You were very confused, Linksys was a tiny gnat compared to Cisco when Cisco did the acquisition, Linksys cost Cisco $500M which was less than half of their net income for the quarter in which the deal closed. Hell, two years later they swallowed Scientific Atlantic which cost $6.9B.

Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687511)

No good consumer router on the market? Are you MAD?

http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax

Over 1million PPS. Based on a forked Vyatta, running on a dual core MIPS64 Cavium Octeon with IPv4 (and soon IPv6) hardware offload, with a debian base. You can apt-get install from the MIPS repos all day.

Check the Tolly Report here: http://dl.ubnt.com/Tolly212127UbiquitiEdgeRouterLitePricePerformance.pdf, where it beat a Cisco 3925 and Juniper J6350 into the ground.

Total cost for these buggers? $99. Warning, they are on backorder with all the distributors until roughly middle of Feb.

Oh, and you're welcome.

That's really interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687771)

I exited the cisco market about a year ago. I use mikrotik almost exclusively now. Sure they aren't high end enterprise for the most part, but for what I do they offer a hundred times the functionality for 10% of the cost.

Mikrotik routers are always an option (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42687935)

I have been using Mikrotik routers for the last few years.

MikroTik has very reasonable offerings and very good, highly customizable software with amazing support.

I have nothing to do with them, I just love my routerboards!

www.routerboard.com

Check it out!

No Tears Hear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42688001)

Just another flush of the [CEO] toilet.

XD

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