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Data Analyst Spoils the World's Biggest Song Vote

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the nate-silver-watch-out dept.

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littlekorea writes "A data analyst has successfully predicted the top ten songs of the world's biggest song contest — the Triple J Hottest 100 — by extrapolating voting intentions fans had posted on Twitter and Facebook. Nick Drewe's Warmest 100 list closely mimicked the Hottest 100 results, predicting the top three in correct order and predicting 92 of the most popular 100 songs."

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How is this spoiling? (5, Informative)

TWX (665546) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704629)

That's like saying that Nate Silver or Andrew Tanenbaum spoiled the presidential election... Just because they looked at the signs and figured out how others were going to vote doesn't mean that they spoiled anything.

Let's talk about this again if statisticians end up actually influencing the vote through their data analysis. Otherwise, let it go.

Re:How is this spoiling? (-1, Flamebait)

rockout (1039072) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704663)

You're right, but you forgot you're reading Slashdot, where the mantra is "Sensational (albeit exaggerated) headlines!!!! and let 'em find out the truth if they RTFA." Or in this case, just the summary.

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

Elijha (2805781) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705139)

You're right, but you forgot you're reading Slashdot, where the mantra is "Politicise and Americanize as fast as possible (albeit exaggerated) !!!! and let 'em find out the truth if they RTFA." Or in this case, just the summary.

TFTFY

Re:How is this spoiling? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704685)

That's like saying that Nate Silver or Andrew Tanenbaum spoiled the presidential election... Just because they looked at the signs and figured out how others were going to vote doesn't mean that they spoiled anything.

Let's talk about this again if statisticians end up actually influencing the vote through their data analysis. Otherwise, let it go.

Have you considered that maybe Nate Silver made his predictions and then God rearranged the Universe to make it so? Thus, Nate Silver spoiled the election (or is God).

Re:How is this spoiling? (5, Funny)

TWX (665546) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704703)

Have you considered that maybe Nate Silver made his predictions and then God rearranged the Universe to make it so? Thus, Nate Silver spoiled the election (or is God).

If his prediction was important enough to warrant rearranging the universe, then perhaps the Republican fielded a worse candidate than we could have possibly feared...

Re:How is this spoiling? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704727)

Godwin-ing this shit now: God didn't rearrange the universe to avoid HITLER's election.

Re:How is this spoiling? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704781)

How do you know He didn't? Hitler never won a majority vote until he outlawed the other parties. It was alliances with the other parties that allowed him to become Chancellor. The election prior to passing the Enabling Act his party only won 44% of the vote. The Enabling Act required a 2/3rds vote (it passed with 83%). The cowardice of the other parties to stand up to Hitler is a major reason he was able to get so much absolute power so quickly.

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704951)

He let his own son slowly die on a cross.... Killing his chosen people wouldn't exactly be unprecedented....

Re:How is this spoiling? (2)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704991)

Perhaps things would have been much worse without Hitler. Stephen Fry wrote an amusing book based on this idea.

Re:How is this spoiling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705111)

Exactly. Had Hitler been able to realize his ultimate goal, he would have united the world. There would be no yearly epidemics because only the best disease-resistant Caucasian genes would be present in all, and there would be flying cars(with the advanced state of immunological research that go along with that level of technology). With the undesirable genes wiped from the face of the planet, the movie Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would have actually had humor, not Schlomo schlepping around saying, "Oy, vey!"

A dream of national socialism for one nation, committed to bringing out the best of the human species. It almost brings a tear to my eye, a tear of pleasure imagining such a world; and a tear of pain knowing that Hitler will now never be able to realize his dream. He was a wonderful man, a true rags-to-riches story. Wrote his best while imprisoned, like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

We will now never enjoy being strong and united. We must hope, someday, that a new leader will take his place -- ushering in a new era of Nietzhe-influenced national socialism.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:How is this spoiling? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705267)

Nietzsche didn't influence national socialism. His works were very selectively edited by his sister who was a Nazi to try to give a philosophical background to and synch with Naziism. Nietzsche was very critical of antisemitism and nationalism in his writings. If Nietzsche would have been alive when the Nazis came to power, he would have been one of the first ones targeted.

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

niftydude (1745144) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705129)

Perhaps things would have been much worse without Hitler.

Of course things would have been much worse - if ww2 didn't happen my grandmother would have married the first person she was engaged to rather than my grandfather, and I would never have been born.

A world without me would suck the big one!

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about a year and a half ago | (#42706027)

Ah, so you're the one currently sucking the big one so the world doesn't have to.

Thanks.

Re:How is this spoiling? (2)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705945)

I've not read that book, but I had postulated the same thing many times. But Hitler is a cog, not a driving force. The hardship caused by WWI caused WWII. I'd be interested in seeing what would have happened if WWI never happened. That was the senseless one. WWII was caused by WWI. Much like a bit of the trouble in the middle east was caused by the ending of WWII. So what would have happened if WWI didn't happen, or the ending was different? It would be interesting to see, though I'd never write a book about the alternative, as that seems plenty ambitious/presumptuous.

Re:How is this spoiling? (5, Funny)

nabsltd (1313397) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704847)

Have you considered that maybe Nate Silver made his predictions and then God rearranged the Universe to make it so? Thus, Nate Silver spoiled the election (or is God).

When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

Re:How is this spoiling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704855)

That's like saying that Nate Silver or Andrew Tanenbaum spoiled the presidential election... .

Didn't they?

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

The Master Control P (655590) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704927)

Not for anyone who was remotely informed of matters by the reality-based faction of media/pollsters.

I understand that it came as a bit of a shocker to some people who refused to listen, but that's the wonderful thing about Reality - it's that which still remains when you stop fantasizing about it.

Re:How is this spoiling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704985)

What about the time they spoiled Snape killing Dumbledore?

Re:How is this spoiling? (2)

dgatwood (11270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705069)

Yeah, sure. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father.

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

TWX (665546) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705227)

Aw, I had a t-shirt that acknowledged that one... A lot of people were not happy that I saved them several hours...

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705957)

You didn't save them anything. I waited until I saw all the movies before I read all the books. Knowing the plot didn't affect the books.

Re:How is this spoiling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704909)

I read it as spoiling the surprise, as I'm sure did many others. Keep in mind that various details of business dealings (agent contracts, playtime) may be influenced by such a list, and so there's a great many people anticipating it, including "fans" who want their artist to win.

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

osu-neko (2604) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704911)

That's like saying that Nate Silver or Andrew Tanenbaum spoiled the presidential election... Just because they looked at the signs and figured out how others were going to vote doesn't mean that they spoiled anything.

Actually, it does.

Let's talk about this again if statisticians end up actually influencing the vote through their data analysis. Otherwise, let it go.

What would influencing the vote have to do with it? I think you're misreading what it meant by "spoil" in this context: to reveal the ending early, which is exactly what they did.

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

DRJlaw (946416) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704937)

What would influencing the vote have to do with it? I think you're misreading what it meant by "spoil" in this context: to reveal the ending early, which is exactly what they did.

Another weapon for the AGW arsenal... climate scientists are 'spoiling' the future!

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

Vylen (800165) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705027)

I don't think the results were spoiled as such. More that the 'fun' of betting on who would top the list was spoiled - especially given that some betting outlets halted bets on the list as a consequence of the analysis.

Two things. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705055)

1. This "story" is on Slashdot only because of the Australia connection. Without that, you'd never have heard of the Warmest 100 List.

2. Out of 100 songs/singers/artists/whatever, I recognized exactly... None. Zero. Now I know I don't listen to radio, or watch TV, or anything, but shit, I cannot believe there is nobody I've heard of in the Top 100. Yes, I know, teeny pop music waits for no emo kid, and certainly not for grizzled old men such as myself, but, shit... No recognizable names at all?

Re:Two things. (1)

TWX (665546) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705261)

And I wouldn't know what a Chrysler VH Charger is without the Australian connection on one of the Chrysler forums that I participate on, even though Chrysler Australia was an unusual overseas sister company that modified more than just which side the steering wheel is on.

I don't have a problem with some esoteric stuff on /.

Re:Two things. (3, Informative)

deek (22697) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705377)

1. Your cynicism is getting the better of you. This is a valid news for nerds story, about how data analysis successfully predicted the majority of a list meant to be kept secret. The story would have been interesting, had it come from any part of the world.

2. The Triple J station is known for playing many alternative and unknown artists. It's a government funded station, but editorially independent from government by law. Your list of known songs/singers/artists are likely influenced by your regional tastes, and also commercial interests of the stations you listen to. These would not match up with an alternative music station.

2a. Have a listen to Thrift Shop, the song that made #1. I'm not generally one for hip-hop, but I liked it. Great lyrics, has some good things to say about fashion labels and stylistic expectations. Interestingly enough, the song is independent of commercial labels, and has had great success in US/Canada/Australia/New Zealand.

Re:Two things. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705449)

The OP does make a good point though.

These days it seems like every second story has something to do with Australia and very few of them are particularly compelling from the point of view of news for nerds. For the most part it's usually an exercise in flag-waving.

Yeah of course Slashdot needs to be global in reach and also there needs to be coverage on the weekends but there's no denying we're seeing the site and editors playing favorites.

Maybe Slashdot should branch out with local domains, say slashdot.com.au since that's what Slashdot is in danger of becoming, but also .co.uk, .de, .it, others? It would expand its reach with foreign language version and head off the valid claims of regional and national favoritism.

Re:Two things. (1)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705701)

There's a big gap in timezones where the major western country is Australia. So it's minimal news at all during that part of the day, or you get Australian stories when the Australian readership is online.

Re:Two things. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705883)

There's a big gap in timezones where the major western country is Australia.

When did THAT happen? Seriously, Aussies, I know you love to think of yourself as the United States of Australia, but seriously... You're not a "major" country, western or otherwise.

Oh, I know, you're going to get shitty and mod this down, but facts are facts. Australia is just another minor remnant of someone else's faded empire.

Re:Two things. (2)

caffeine_high (974351) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705629)

I've been listening to triplej for about 20 years and as usual there are plenty of songs I do not recognize in the list. That is part of the deal with triplej, no comfort zone of classics and far more new music than you can follow.

There will be a few teeny pop songs in the list but if you listen to a few, you'll see that the range is far more diverse and none of the usual pop artists.

Over the past few years triplej has been doing a lot of work to foster local music, their site http://www.triplejunearthed.com/ [triplejunearthed.com] is great and you can legally download plenty of good music.

I guess one day my music tastes will crystallize and I'll join the host of others who think that music was best in year X (usually when they were a teenager). I'll fight that as long as I can.

Re:Two things. (1)

sco08y (615665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705745)

1. This "story" is on Slashdot only because of the Australia connection.

Only thing worse than editors: people constantly bitching "I'm not interested thus this story shouldn't have been posted."

Some of us actually work in data analysis and find it interesting. Sorry everything can't be about the wonders of your roommates' basement.

Re:Two things. (0)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705753)

2. Out of 100 songs/singers/artists/whatever, I recognized exactly... None. Zero. Now I know I don't listen to radio, or watch TV, or anything, but shit, I cannot believe there is nobody I've heard of in the Top 100. Yes, I know, teeny pop music waits for no emo kid, and certainly not for grizzled old men such as myself, but, shit... No recognizable names at all?

You have qualified yourself as a fuck wit. JJJ is one of the reasonable quality non-pop stations that doesn't play teeny shit like many of the commercial stations. AND there are no advertisements spoiling the vibe.

Re:Two things. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705853)

And you're a "jjj" douchewad fanboy of the worst fucking kind. Where does the OP/GP criticize the station. He's merely stating that he hasn't heard of any of these songs and artists. Probably because he's old and treasures his ZZ Top collection or some shit like that.

Yeesh. Kids today.

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705347)

I think we're talking 'spoiled' in the sense of 'spoilers follow!', not in the sense of 'ruined'.

Re:How is this spoiling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705455)

Dan Rather, Florida, November 2000.

Re:How is this spoiling? (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705805)

Actually, statistical predictions CAN influence voting results considerably. Independent of the system used, for different reasons.

Especially first-past-the-post systems are prone to influence from predictions. If the statistics tell that candidate A is leading with 90%, a lot of people might consider not going to the polls, considering their vote is moot either way, whether they like him or not. Not too long ago, election predictions foretold a landslide victory for a certain party over here which nearly turned into a disaster for them. Nice weather convinced quite a few of their supporters that their vote isn't needed and that heading for the beach instead of the voting booth is a good idea, while seemingly that "shocking" news made people go to the polls that wanted to "limit the damage".

Predictions have an especially big influence on the success of smaller parties in systems where a certain percentage of voters is required to get a seat in the parliament. A prediction that tells a party will make it into the parliament can easily convince people who actually want this group to have a voice to vote for them who would have voted for their "second best" choice instead that makes it for sure (and hence makes their vote count), while a prediction that they will probably not make it can prove disastrous, as has been shown lately with the German FDP that was actually eliminated from a few state parliaments in recent elections after predictions that they might not make it.

And I don't even want to talk about those strange individuals who want to feel better by picking the "winning" party instead of voting for someone that actually represents their goals.

Re:How is this spoiling? (1)

mister2au (1707664) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705875)

Nope - it's like saying someone spoiled American Idol or Eurovision by crunching social media data.

Difference here is that the social media implementation was designed to share votes with Facebook friends only and the analysis involved 'hacking' the URLs ...

k... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704645)

did you even look at the page?

He goes very much out of his way not to spoil it, but giving you half a dozen very large warnings.

This just in (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704693)

Asking people how they're going to vote determined to have predictive value in how they will vote, says latest Slashdot article. Please tag with #obvious and #slownewsday. :/

Re:This just in (-1, Troll)

alphatel (1450715) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704707)

Asking people how they're going to vote determined to have predictive value in how they will vote, says latest Slashdot article. Please tag with #obvious and #slownewsday. :/

Sorry Australia, but I've never heard of Triple J nor do I care what you think the top 100 songs are.

Re:This just in (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704743)

Sorry Alphatel, but we've never heard of you either. However we do deeply care about your opinion regarding our radio station. Please tell us more.

Regards,

Australia.

Re:This just in (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704763)

Sorry Australia, but I've never heard of Triple J nor do I care what you think the top 100 songs are.

Australia has heard of you, however, but doesn't care. They're too busy trying to keep the dingos from eating the babies.

Re:This just in (1)

Bill Currie (487) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704833)

Good grief, that joke got old back in '89 (before what's-her-name left the news, even). What's it doing still kicking around?

Re:This just in (1)

TWX (665546) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705389)

That joke never gets old. I probably hear it a half a dozen times a year in random places and it still puts a smile on my face.

Now back to reading Xanth...

joke??? (0)

ferret4 (459105) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705477)

Are you sick? It isn't a joke, it actually happened - someones baby was taken and killed by a native dog. Hardy-fucking-har. Honestly, the freaks you meet on the Internet :-(

Re:joke??? (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705765)

Are you sick? It isn't a joke, it actually happened - someones baby was taken and killed by a native dog. Hardy-fucking-har. Honestly, the freaks you meet on the Internet :-(

A ferret4 ate my baby.

Re:This just in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705471)

How can you make a joke like that. A mother lost her baby. You sick deviant.

Re:This just in (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705763)

Sorry Australia, but I've never heard of Triple J nor do I care what you think the top 100 songs are.

Australia has heard of you, however, but doesn't care. They're too busy trying to keep the dingos from eating the babies.

and listening to the hottest 100 on the beach

Re:This just in (0)

rat7307 (218353) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704801)

But you felt the need to comment because....???????

You must be real fun at all your friends parties.

Oh..... sorry.

Re:This just in (0)

TWX (665546) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705395)

Wow... The entire continent of Australia is more Hipster than you are!

Re:This just in (1)

volmtech (769154) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705931)

People are lazy. If the polls indicate that your candidate is winning you might just stay home and not trouble yourself to vote. The networks called Bush the winner in Florida at 7:00 pm Eastern time but west Florida is in the Central time zone so voting was open for another hour. Bush only carried Florida (and the election) by 600 votes. What if 601 people in Pensacola had though Bush had it and stayed home. We can only wish.

Graph Search (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704705)

“Facebook Graph Search wasn’t that useful,”

Yup

subject (1)

Legion303 (97901) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704723)

I've never even heard of any of the top 25, and none of the top 66 are in my Google Music playlists. I guess that makes me old.

Re:subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704749)

Unless you were in EU or AU, I wouldn't take it that way - US/CA vs. AU/NZ/EU music tastes are generally quite different with the exception of a few artists that manage to bridge the gap.

Re:subject (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704787)

That's because this is a list from Australia. It demonstrates how much control the regional record industries have over what people "want" to hear.

Re:subject (4, Informative)

jonwil (467024) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704917)

I am an Aussie and love good Aussie music and I haven't heard of any of the songs in the top 20.

In saying that, I should point out to the foreigners here that Triple J isn't exactly mainstream (Triple J started out as a station to play all the artists that commercial radio was ignoring and still does so today in some cases)

Re:subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704945)

So much for biggest song contest. I don't doubt there is *a* metric by which it's the biggest, but this didn't spring to mind when I read the headline.

for those who didn't RTFA or listen to Triple J (2)

ferret4 (459105) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705519)

It's a song contest where the public (anyone in the world) can vote for any song (released anywhere in the world) so long as that song was first released in the 12 months prior to start of voting. The station does not nominate songs or pick winners, they simply count votes. The metric is that the Triple J Hottest 100 competition consistently receives the largest number of people voting for a competition of this kind anywhere in the world.

Re:subject (1)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705717)

So much for biggest song contest. I don't doubt there is *a* metric by which it's the biggest, but this didn't spring to mind when I read the headline.

Triple J has one of, if not the, largest listenership numbers of any station in the world. It's a single station broadcast nationwide and the voting attracts international interest.

Re:subject (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705771)

So much for biggest song contest. I don't doubt there is *a* metric by which it's the biggest, but this didn't spring to mind when I read the headline.

one and a half million people voted. Is there a bigger song contest put there?

Re:subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705201)

That may have been true in its inception, but it's just as commercial as the rest of them, only now they play "commercial indie" and almost nothing else with exceptions to scattered half-hour segments that are on at 11 at night.

Re:subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705281)

The moment you use the words "Hottest 100" you lose all rights to be anything but mainstream.

Re:subject (2)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704999)

I've never even heard of any of the top 25, and none of the top 66 are in my Google Music playlists.

From this comment, can we infer that #67, a track entitled "On Top" by musical artist "Flume" (featuring guest artist "T-Shirt") is on your playlist?

Re: subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705865)

That's some good analysis right there.

Re:subject (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705047)

Neither have I, but that's probably because I don't listen to shitty music.

Re:subject (1)

mister2au (1707664) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705919)

This surprises me with the number of people saying the same ... and assuming most are US-based.

Just looking at the top 10:
Mackelmore was #1 Billboard Hot 100
Of Monster and Men hit #25 ( and #1 on the alternative charts)
Mumford & Sons have been all over the charts / awards
Tame Impala won Rolling Stone album of the year
Frank Ocean has 6 Grammy nominations on the go

Then there are other 'mainstream' artists:
- Calvin Harris
- The Black Keys
- Skrillex

I suspect it is less about age and more about:
- American music being dominated by a limited subset of artists
- Australian music being a "broadly equal" fusion of US artists, European artists and local artists
- Triple J being an alternative music station

Re:subject (1)

volmtech (769154) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705961)

Actually, the only song on the list I remember hearing is the #1. That's only because my daughter was listing to the radio while cooking something in our kitchen. I remember when "Alley Oop" was number one.

Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704741)

So now computers can accurately predict all the music I don't ever want to hear, we should be able to invert that list and finally rid ourselves of pop drivel!

Triple J? World's largest? umm.... Eurovision? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704751)

Anyone ever heard of it, it's only like all of Europe (and Russia, and much of the middle east)

Re:Triple J? World's largest? umm.... Eurovision? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704803)

"which attracts a whopping 1.5 million votes from Australian music lovers." - Tripple J - http://www.itnews.com.au/News/330228,warmest-100-even-hotter-than-forecast.aspx
100 - 600 million votes - eurovision - http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/05/2008410141723346664.html http://www.museum.tv/eotvsection.php?entrycode=eurovisionso

Re:Triple J? World's largest? umm.... Eurovision? (1)

jamesh (87723) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704923)

Anyone ever heard of it, it's only like all of Europe (and Russia, and much of the middle east)

Never heard of it.

TripleJ Hottest 100 is actually a poll to vote in the top 100 songs of the year. I think the Eurovision is a different thing. If TFS was written by someone with the slightest bit of competence we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Re:Triple J? World's largest? umm.... Eurovision? (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705141)

Seriously. When I read the title, it was obvious it meant Eurovision. But oddly, it doesn't. Eurovision must get at least 250M votes, right? Possibly even a billion.

Re:Triple J? World's largest? umm.... Eurovision? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705375)

Eurovision is a song contest, Hottest 100 is a poll of the most popular songs released each year by the music industry (and to be honest, only the ones that get played on Triple J). Similar but different.

Oh, and all the songs on Eurovision are complete crap. There's that too.

Re:Triple J? World's largest? umm.... Eurovision? (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705443)

title:
'Data Analyst Spoils the World's Biggest Song Vote'

In Eurovision you vote for songs. And it's far bigger.

Title wrong. End of story. Drop mike on floor.

Re:Triple J? World's largest? umm.... Eurovision? (1)

DeathElk (883654) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705461)

Oh, and all the songs on Eurovision are complete crap. There's that too.

Hmm, that actually rings true for both Eurovision and Triple J's programming. Watched some of the "Rage Hottest 100 Countdown" last night. Frikkin' passive aggressive/passive passive indie drivel. Except for the Black Keys. Enjoyed that one.

Re:Triple J? World's largest? umm.... Eurovision? (1)

one eyed kangaroo (215202) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705627)

Heard of it?- yes, but only because I am from Australia. (BTW, I am highly suspicious of how some artists get airtime on this government funded station. Getting your stuff played means a lot commercially here, as the station is hugely popular and can be heard pretty much anywhere on the continent. There is no equivalent of this station in the US).

Having said all of that, there is no way that this is the "World Biggest Song Vote".

Just my $AU 0.02c worth

Wait til Google gets started on their graph search (1)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704811)

You'll be able to predict your children's future. And safely give up the sociopaths for adoption.

Re:Wait til Google gets started on their graph sea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42704989)

you can already do this now in some cases.

live in texas or kansas and don't move elsewhere or at least ship your kids out of state to school: you'll raise brain-dead morons who believe the world was created in six days, is only a few thousand years old, etc, etc, etc..

watch fox news: you'll raise brain-dead morons that instead of (or in addition to) blindly following some mythical 2000+ year old hippie-looking jew, they'll do and believe anything foxnews or other right-wing freaks say.

rich and have smart kids: they'll either turn into the kardashians or hiltons, drug addicts, or ego-tripping power hungry executives or politicians. 33/33/33 chance to go those ways... the last 1 percent is that they'll turn out fairly normal and lead productive lives that enrich and benefit the lives of others.

don't take an active role in your child's education: 'you want fries with that' or 'paper or plastic' should be two of your child's first multi-word phrases.

live in utah in a multi-family environment: good luck, nothing can save you. get out now.

Re:Wait til Google gets started on their graph sea (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705789)

You'll be able to predict your children's future. And safely give up the sociopaths for adoption.

So you're saying you believe the children are our future let them lead and let them show the way show them all the beauty they possess inside?

Re:Wait til Google gets started on their graph sea (1)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705887)

Yes.

Yes I am.

Social media (2)

jamesh (87723) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704941)

Whilst listening to the countdown yesterday I was pondering the idea that the warmest 100 is flawed because it only takes into account the votes from people who think the rest of the world cares about their every thought. Turns out I was wrong... I guess I'm a bit older than the Triple J target demographic these days - I wasn't 20 years ago though dammit!

Next year i'm posting my votes on facebook, just to throw it out a little bit :)

Re:Social media (1)

Elijha (2805781) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705117)

Well that's just it though isn't it, the voters are people who think other need to know what they think is cool and want to influence the list. Doesn't that make them likely to proper-gate their votes online to influence others and to make themselves 'look cool' when the songs they voted for do well'. Isn't this similar to people who put vote for X signs on their lawns?

The votes are in! (4, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#42704995)

And the winner [youtube.com] is ....

Re:The votes are in! (1)

Azure Flash (2440904) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705093)

Really? He made the top 100 of this list with such an old song? Wow. Good for him. It is pretty catchy, I have to admit.

Re:The votes are in! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705233)

*whoosh*

Re:The votes are in! (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705777)

Really? He made the top 100 of this list with such an old song? Wow. Good for him. It is pretty catchy, I have to admit.

He did host rage recently,

Re:The votes are in! (1)

DeathElk (883654) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705469)

Ouch, got me :P

Re:The votes are in! (1)

MartinSchou (1360093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705683)

Does it count as one, if I was thinking "please let it be that" before I clicked?

So obvious (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705021)

When most songs and music is now generated by "artists' directed by agents telling them what to do and sing based on analytics, is it that surprising that analytics predicts the outcome of analytics produced crap???

WOW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705079)

So a list produced by what the public thinks can be predicted by analyzing what people think.

That is totally amazing.

I never heard of this poll (1)

rossdee (243626) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705083)

But a a few months ago there were ads asking me to vote for
"One Man, One Woman"
sp I guess there must have been a "Favorite song by ABBA" poll on at that time.
I still preferred Fernando

Oh Very Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705103)

Now, we apply the algorithm to Stocks ! :D

And we make a 'Killing' walking away a Buttzillion richer ! :)

Hardly "spoils" (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705191)

You have to scroll down the length of an encyclopedia just to get to the various lists of entries all the while the site is telling you that you probably shouldn't ruin it for yourself. It's not like the guys who screamed "Dumbledore's dead!" at midnight book releases.

Will be gamed .... (1)

i-reek (1140437) | about a year and a half ago | (#42705237)

next year. Watch the fake "intended votes" flood in.

That is, if Triple J don't take an entirely different route ....

Duhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705313)

This is how they pick the winners in the first place.

Fr0st pist (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705693)

Glad he used digital analysis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42705863)

Its a good thing that he compiled lists. I've never heard of groups like Painful Wedgie and Rotting Orange. In fact, I've only heard of about 1 or 2 groups on the list, and they aren't well known (apparently anywhere but Australia). I'd never heard of Nails-On-Chalkboard or Passing Gravel either (I think they were close to the top of the list).

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