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Why a Linux User Is Using Windows 3.1

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the because-he-can dept.

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colinneagle writes "About two weeks back, I was using my Android tablet and looking for a good graphics editor. I wanted something with layers and good text drawing tools. That's when it hit me. We already have that. Photoshop used to run on Windows 3.1. And Windows 3.1 runs great under both DOSBox and QEMU, both of which are Open Source emulators available for Android and every other platform under the sun. So I promptly set to work digging up an old copy of Photoshop. The last version released for Windows 3.1 was back in 1996. And finding a working copy proved to be...challenging. Luckily, the good folks at Adobe dug around in their vaults and managed to get me up and running. And, after a bit of tweaking, I ended up with an astoundingly functional copy of Photoshop that I can now run on absolutely every device I own. And the entire environment (fonts, working files and all) are automatically backed up to the cloud and synced between systems. But what other applications (and, potentially, games) does this give me access to? How far can I take this?"

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This is a great idea, my next great idea is- (5, Funny)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717147)

TERMINAL APPLICATION ERROR

BS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717185)

No one at Adobe gave you a version of Photoshop for Win 3.1.

Why not just stick with MS Paint if you are willing to use such an old version of Photoshop with so few features?

Isn't this a typical case of a FOSS luddite not valuing their time?

Re:BS (5, Insightful)

almitydave (2452422) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717325)

The answers to your questions are answered in the summary in part, and in the article in full. Perhaps you could try reading either or both?

Anyway, he's a tech writer, so I assume it would be easier for him to call up Adobe and say, "Hey, I'm working on this hilarious project, do you happen to have..." This probably would not work for you and me. Plus, he's not a FOSS luddite, he has written several articles on using old software. The first paragraph of one about DOS:

Every now and then a new piece of hardware, or software, is released that causes me to pause and think, "Why, on Earth, do we update our tech so often? What, exactly, can I do with the latest stuff that wasn’t possible with the previous version?"

So that should answer that question.

Hardware, file formats, and Internet security (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717555)

What, exactly, can I do with the latest stuff that wasn’t possible with the previous version?

For one thing, you can continue to use it after the hardware compatible with the previous version has failed. I've been told that a lot of new laptops sold with Windows 8 have Wi-Fi chips with no Windows 7 driver.

For another, you can exchange documents with users of later versions. After a particular version of a program reaches its announced end of life, the program's publisher stops making plug-ins to read the latest version's file format. (Some publishers don't release such plug-ins at all.) Try opening a modern PSD in the old Photoshop for Windows 3.1 and see what error message doesn't pop up.

For another, you can continue to use supported software on the public Internet even after a researcher has discovered security vulnerabilities because supported software gets patched.

Re:Hardware, file formats, and Internet security (5, Insightful)

jythie (914043) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717709)

Those are really examples of artificial obsolesces though. They are real and thus represent legitimate reasons to keep up to date, but they do not actually represent improvements that benefit the user. So it is not a case of 'what can the new stuff do that the old could not' and more 'new stuff is only compatible with other new stuff, so since other people are buying it I will have to'.

Re:BS (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717805)

You don't know the first thing about what you speak. The versions of Photoshop from the 3.1 era are lightyears ahead of the most modern version of MS Paint. That you have it so backwards and yet talk about the value of time is humorous to say the least.

Even Paint Shop Pro, which was Photoshop's much cheaper cousin in the Win 3.1 days is far superior to the most modern version of MS Paint, may it rest in peace.

This just in, old computer software still running (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717211)

Must be a slow news day, hasn't Anonymous set off their "warhead" yet?

Old, proven technology... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717221)

I enjoy and "old fashioned" any day, but since if you've upgraded to a Fleshlight, Girlfriend, Mistress or Wife, why go back other than just for nostalgia and shits and giggles?

Re:Old, proven technology... (5, Funny)

sexconker (1179573) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717849)

I enjoy and "old fashioned" any day, but since if you've upgraded to a Fleshlight, Girlfriend, Mistress or Wife, why go back other than just for nostalgia and shits and giggles?

Woah there, little fella.
The order goes hand, fleshlight, girlfriend, wife, THEN mistress, then quickly back to hand.

Re:Old, proven technology... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717905)

Why not combine them? Have an old fashioned all over your wife's tits.

I've done this with Dosbox too but... (0, Troll)

Howitzer86 (964585) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717225)

When someone has to hack together a solution like this it really means that there's an opening in the market for a much better solution. Colinneagle really just needs a professional tablet. Something like a Surface Pro. The Pro will come with a pressure sensitive stylus too, but if that doesn't suit his needs, there are older pre-Windows 8 examples.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (5, Informative)

hodet (620484) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717281)

So that's your solution? Buy a Surface Pro? He already has a tablet and used it to meet his needs by spending $0.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (2)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717705)

So that's your solution? Buy a Surface Pro? He already has a tablet and used it to meet his needs by spending $0.

Last I checked, neither Windows 3.1 or Photoshop are free.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717787)

That explains why it took him so long to get the software. Finding someone who still *has* a legit windows 3.1 and an old enough legit copy of photoshop that it runs windows 3.1 would take a very long time. Finding someone with both who ALSO wants to donate it to you will take even longer.

Problem is, it's not a useful article because there's very few people who have legitimate copies of those pieces of software still, and as such, even if they are all willing to donate them, the supply will run out quickly.

Oh, we're talking about pirating it? In that case, the article is still dumb. Pirating stuff has always been free. Duh!

Surface Fuckin' Pro??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717483)

No offence..., but I wouldn't wipe my filthy ass with a fuckin' Microsoft Surface Pro... ...ya cunt!

Re:Surface Fuckin' Pro??? (0)

Soluzar (1957050) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717685)

You can't preface a comment in which you refer to someone by an offensive epithet with "no comment" and have it mean anything.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (5, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717485)

What is it with all you free market anti-nerds?? Your solution isn't "use your brain to hack out a solution," It's "SPEND MONEY! WE LOVE MONEY! WE WORSHIP MONEY!"

I'm annoyed at this stupid attitude. Did you get here by mistake, thinking it was Forbes or Business Week? We're nerds. We don't buy solutions, we create them. My hat is off to the guy you're putting down, a creative solution to a problem. If your answer to problems is always "pull out the credit card" you are at the wrong site.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717617)

We're nerds. We don't buy solutions, we create them.

Absolutely true for nerds. But some of us are geeks. We'll buy stuff if it's the best solution given the requirements (sometimes with extreme prejudice).

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (5, Funny)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717871)

We're nerds. We don't buy solutions, we create them.

There is a reason [xkcd.com] nerds have to create solutions.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717559)

I'm not sure how much louder you can scream, "I'm a Microsoft Shill!" The entire PR team that wrote this shit should be fired and sent back to working at Starbucks, you shit-eating hacks.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717579)

It only means he doesnt know that PS Express for android is free, or that there are hundreds of other image editing apps.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717681)

Exactly. I'm pretty sure you can find a native Android application that beats a completely antiquated version of Photoshop.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717789)

Probably. But that's not as fun. Or as nerdy.

The point of this whole exercise wasn't simplicity of function, it was to do something weird and see if it worked.

Re:I've done this with Dosbox too but... (1)

jythie (914043) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717753)

*nod* Adobe could probably really capitalize on this if they went back to their old versions and produced a 'PS-Lite' that kept only a subset of the most popular features.

Old software? (5, Insightful)

DogDude (805747) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717259)

I use tons of "old" software every day. I use a copy of Paint Shop Pro from the 90's. I use DVD Shrink from about a decade ago. Windows XP still runs my entire business. It doesn't wear out. Congratulations to one more person for realizing that they don't have to have the latest and greatest software to be productive.

Re:Old software? (1, Troll)

benjfowler (239527) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717371)

Just keep that stuff air-gapped from the public Internet, otherwise you'll get owned in about 30 seconds (not that you'll know it).

Re:Old software? (2)

Rashkae (59673) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717521)

That should be as easy as *not* installing Trumpet Winsock. (No TCP/IP in Win 3.1) As far as Internet goes, Win 3.1 was a really secure system. Malware writes had to be creative and resort to tricks like infecting Boot Records and binary to infect systems.

Re:Old software? (5, Interesting)

Rashkae (59673) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717535)

It's a pity Slashdot doesn't let you delete comments when you realize how badly you goofed :)

Re:Old software? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717763)

It's brave to admit your mistakes.

Re:Old software? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717401)

Right, but the file size limit on a 16-bit OS has me wondering if TFA isn't a joke.

Re:Old software? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717623)

Win32s [wikipedia.org] is 32-bit. Windows 3.1 doesn't support FAT32 out of the box, but that can be fixed [computing.net] .

Re:Old software? (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717663)

3.11, at least, could (optionally, if run on a 386 or better) use 32-bit file pointers. I'm not sure if that meant it could actually use FAT32 or not, though.

Re:Old software? (5, Interesting)

FreonTrip (694097) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717837)

Well, sort of. You can hex-edit the COMMAND.COM from a Windows 95B or higher boot floppy, replace the "Windows 95(c)" or whatever tag's in there with "MS-DOS 7.xx," partition and format C:\, do a quick install to the hard drive's boot record from the floppy, copy over files from the old C:\Windows\COMMAND directory into C:\DOS, roll your own autoexec.bat and config.sys with proper path setting, reboot, and have a functional DOS install with FAT32 support. Then Windows 3.1 can run on top of it and take advantage of some of the functionality, but applications within Win3.1 may still try to warn you away from long filenames just because they were an unknown quantity at the time of development. Finding a functional defragmenter may also be tricky. At that point you could have a very large FAT32 volume, but above a certain size threshold your cluster size would balloon to 16KB or so, and you'd still be hobbled by the ~4GB filesize limit... to say nothing of memory addressing issues, or the large size of the COMMAND.COM in conventional memory. Some, or all, of these things could be circumvented by using FreeDOS, but I haven't really tried that. YMMV.

Re:Old software? (1)

FaxeTheCat (1394763) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717907)

With all of 8 characters for the file name I guess anything larger than a floppy will soon contain files with names nobody can relate to their content anyway...

Re:Old software? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717755)

To say nothing about the memory and address space limitations.

Re:Old software? (1)

cnettel (836611) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717855)

FAT16 handled 32-bit files sizes. There are probably hard-coded RAM limits in the (32-bit) virtual memory code in Win 3.1 that are more serious, not exceeding more than a certain number of pages and some address space restrictions.

Re:Old software? (3, Informative)

Howitzer86 (964585) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717539)

The neat thing I remember about Paint Shop Pro 3 was that the trial didn't stop you from using the program. It was like Winzip used to be - you could keep using it. These days if an activation server goes out the company has to give you a non DRM version or you're just SOL. And even if they do it, it could still end up becoming confusing legal mess like it did for Adobe.

Re:Old software? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717583)

Agreed completely. Of the three of my computers I actually use, one runs XP, one runs kubuntu, and the newest one, a two year old notebook, runs W7. I think the last piece of software I bought outright was XP, back when XCP destroyed a 98 install and I couldn't find drivers after wiping and reinstalling. Most of my software is FOSS, freeware, or it came with hardware. I seldom spend money on computing, except of course my ISP bill. And there are so many free hotspots here I could get away without that (but then I wouldn't get to listen to KSHE at home... Van Halen's on right now).

Re:Old software? (1)

Githaron (2462596) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717605)

Windows XP still runs my entire business. It doesn't wear out.

Not in the normal sense anyway. You still have to worry about security vulnerabilities. All commercials software reaches a point where it is no longer supported and doesn't get any new security patches. You only got 427 more days (April 1, 2014) of updates before you are going to have to move off Windows XP.

Re:Old software? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717833)

Believe it or not, you can use a computer without connecting it to the Internet. In fact, entire networks can be setup without connecting them to the internet. Just because you CAN hook up doesn't mean there is a legitimate business reason to do so, in fact there are many cases where it just isn't.

Re:Old software? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717653)

That's the point. Age doesn't diminish the usefulness of the program, though it may determine what you can and can't use due to security issues if the program is no longer receiving updates.

hellz yes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717261)

going to set this up myself, and run a sweet NES emulator on it. All the kids will be jealous when I'm playing Paperboy and they are flicking some dumb bird at a pile of boxes...

http://www.emulationzone.org/aboutus/archive/nes2.htm

Re:hellz yes (5, Insightful)

Guspaz (556486) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717357)

So, let me get this straight... Instead of running an NES emulator directly on your Android tablet (and there are plenty such emulators available), you're going to run an NES emulator on top of Windows 3.1 on top of DOS inside of an x86 emulator on top of Android?

Re:hellz yes (1)

vlm (69642) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717413)

You'd save a lot of battery life if you ran that on a desktop / server and VNCed into it over a VPN. I've been fooling around with that, its fun. There's nothing fundamentally new about it since roughly Y2K other than installing the tightVNC client on the tablet and maybe you use something modern-ish for the VPN like openvpn (native on android) instead of legacy stuff.

Power and money cost of cellular data (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717589)

You'd save a lot of battery life if you ran that on a desktop / server and VNCed into it over a VPN.

You'd also have to buy a data plan if you plan to do so from a vehicle. The advantage of native apps is that they don't require a cellular data plan, which is still expensive in North America. Besides, I wonder whether the power cost of keeping your device's radio turned on would make up for any saved CPU power through running applications remotely.

Re:hellz yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717831)

Right, because powering the screen and networking takes zero battery.

Re:hellz yes (5, Funny)

mog007 (677810) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717415)

You must be new here.

Re:hellz yes (2)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717593)

Once I had to run an NES emulator inside a GBA emulator on Windows because the GBA emulator had better AVI output support than the NES emulators that were popular at the time.

How far can I take this? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717265)

Not very far.

AutoCAD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717269)

I don't have an Android and I don't know whether there is a good CAD app for it. But if not, then you could run AutoCAD 12 for DOS. It was a fine application in its day.

Difference between summary and article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717299)

Not much of an article....

Take my advice on this: (4, Interesting)

Lisias (447563) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717311)

Try to setup and use OS/2 Warp 3.0.

THE BEST environment to run Win16 and Win32s Applications I ever had.

This beast used to run CorelDraw WITHOUT A SINGLE CRASH for hours. Honest.

(I still have my very own original Box, witth the CDs and the instructions about how to use GOPHER to fetch that fantastic Nescape 3.0 for OS/2!)

Re:Take my advice on this: (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717353)

It went HOURS without crashing? Well sign me up...

Re:Take my advice on this: (5, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717683)

If you don't think that's impressive, then you clearly never ran COREL Draw.

what about warp4? Warp has some VM issues. (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717515)

what about warp4? Warp has some VM issues.

Re:what about warp4? Warp has some VM issues. (1)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717615)

OS/2's memory management was different enough from its 'siblings' at the time, NT 3.51/4 that it wouldn't run under VMware (VMware had 'experimental' support for it a few versions ago that's since been dropped). I'm an old Warp user myself but I'm not sure it'd run under DOSbox or qemu; I never tried to. I did get it running under Virtualbox. For the OP's purposes 3.1 is probably the best way to go.

You can apparently get GIMP on Android (1)

bhartman34 (886109) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717323)

According to this [google.com] , anyway...

So I don't see the point of Windows 3.1 on an Android device.

Re:You can apparently get GIMP on Android (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717421)

Unfortunately, the version of Photoshop that was released in 1996 is still better than the current version of GIMP.

Re:You can apparently get GIMP on Android (1)

Nexion (1064) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717601)

I can't really say that I agree with this unless there are plugins you have in mind. Still, that is coming from someone who only did minor image editing back in the 90s and became accustomed to GIMP some time around the end of the 90s. Out of curiosity what features do you still find lacking from GIMP? Could it be you have not used GIMP in some time and are speaking from memory of a distant version? While I wouldn't put GIMP up against today's Photoshop I would imagine it could at least best any version from the 90s. Still, since I am not all that familiar with Photoshop I can't say for certain.

Does anyone have extensive knowledge of both that might shed some light on the matter?

Re:You can apparently get GIMP on Android (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717785)

Is this true?

Re:You can apparently get GIMP on Android (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717447)

Switching from Photoshop to GIMP is like switching languages, it's going to be a bumpy transition if you try to get things done right away.

I guess what I'm saying is that they do the same things, but in very different ways. If the tech writer can get Win 3.1 up and running on his Android tablet in a couple days it is still better than spending weeks trying to re-learn everything you "know" in Photoshop in GIMP

Re:You can apparently get GIMP on Android (1)

bhartman34 (886109) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717741)

I'm not an expert in either, so I'll take your word for it. :)

FWIW, I installed this on my Galaxy S3. It works even with finger input, but elegant, it's not. Not sure if you could use it to install something like LibreOffice/OpenOffice. That might be fun. :)

Re:You can apparently get GIMP on Android (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717781)

On the other hand, switching from current Photoshop to ancient Photoshop is going to going to have much of the same issues. You're still attempting Herculean feats just to avoid learning a different app to manipulate data in an open format.

You're creating a house of cards just to avoid running a native tool.

BBS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717333)

With DOS, you could run a dial-in bulletin board service. Of course there's no way to stick a telephony board in your Android, but that can be emulated.

Microsoft Bob for Linux (1)

hduff (570443) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717335)

I've done it before for the LULZ It runs everywhere!

Think of the possibilities!!

16 bit Photoshop (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717337)

So you now have layers, but several other limitations in return. Good for you!

Android shmandroid (1)

vidnet (580068) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717343)

I don't mean to rain on the geek parade, but both The Gimp and modern Photoshop runs natively and smoothly on my x86 based Windows 8 tablet.

Whether Windows 8 makes for a better tablet UI than a cross-arch emulated Windows 3.1 with twenty year old software is another discussion.

Re:Android shmandroid (4, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717451)

Yeah, but then the problem is, then you have to run Windows 8 [eviscerati.org] .

Re:Android shmandroid (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717469)

I was going to say, why not just run GIMP. but then I actually re-read the summary and saw that the "Linux User" was actually running an Android Tablet and this is where his problem was coming from. If you're a Linux User and want to edit graphics, you can just use GIMP. I guess there's an open market for people wanting to do graphics work on their tablet, but I don't really know if tablets are really the kind of system I'd want to be using for anything more serious than cropping or resizing a picture.

Easier combos of existing apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717355)

Autodesk Sketchbook Mobile for layered image editing and Add Watermark / Comic Strip It! for text. Sideload the fonts.

you have already gone too far (1)

smadasam (831582) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717361)

How far can you take this? You have already gone too far! The only exception I can think of is if your are a dev working on DOSBox or QEMU and want to dogfood or stress test.

eprom programmer (1)

vlm (69642) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717363)

I'd rather see a discussion of getting a recent model eprom programmer running under linux under ... something.
Something like the mcumall usb model. I'm not interested in the 1980s willem designs which require a real old fashioned parallel printer port (I haven't had one of those in many years). I know there's a place in .de (?) selling something like a bat-something BX-32 or whatever with linux software, but shipping from .de was something like 50% of the cost of the device (serious WTF time, seeing as I'm imported stuff from .cn seeed studios for a fraction of that). Also don't bother me with claims I should just pay $15K for a commercial model, I'm looking to drop $200 or less.

So... USB pass thru... Everything I read about WINE and USB says "run, run away fast". Virtualbox only does it if you install the most recent version from the upstream rather than using packaged versions.

Re:eprom programmer (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717677)

I'm not interested in the 1980s willem designs which require a real old fashioned parallel printer port (I haven't had one of those in many years).

You can buy a single lane PCIe parallel port card for about $30 (IIRC). I bought one a while back for a cheap and easy way of getting a few IO lines on a PC.

... so. (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717377)

You'd rather run a 1996 version of Photoshop inside Windows 3.1 inside an emulator than learn how to use Gimp?

That's just... sad.

Re:... so. (5, Insightful)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717487)

Says something about Gimp, doesn't it?

Re:... so. (3, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717825)

Not really.

Although it does say something about people that like to pretend that they are Photoshop users.

I am sure that the professional artists that actually use Photoshop and don't just talk about Photoshop aren't nearly as thick.

SimCity2000 & EGATrek (1)

barlevg (2111272) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717391)

Two great DOS games for which I haven't found suitable Android clones. Both running on my Nexus 7 through DOSBOX.

Re:SimCity2000 & EGATrek (1)

Farmer Pete (1350093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717635)

Isn't there a Simcity 2000 for SNES? You could use an emulator for that.

Autodesk Sketchbook (1)

Stavr0 (35032) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717425)

Seems to do what's needed.

On a related note, has someone combined x86 emulation and WinE into a single package for Andro?

Is colinneagle some kind of VIP? (4, Interesting)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717471)

Why is colinneagle so important that Adobe was willing to dig up 17 year old software for him to help out on something that is impractical and only has a "Gee whiz" factor going for it? I'm hardly an Adobe expert, but my limited experience is that like any normal software vendor they are trying to get people on the latest and greatest, not make stuff from 17 years ago still work. I guess it's fantastic for him that this works, but given how hard it would be for John Q. Public to find Windows 3.1 and probably also to find an ancient copy of Photoshop, this is starting to sound like a bit of a taunt on how he was able to do something that almost nobody else will be able to do.

Re:Is colinneagle some kind of VIP? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717639)

More likely he happened across a bored engineer in Adobe's support system.

Re:Is colinneagle some kind of VIP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717655)

Why is colinneagle so important that Adobe was willing to dig up 17 year old software for him to help out on something that is impractical and only has a "Gee whiz" factor going for it? I'm hardly an Adobe expert, but my limited experience is that like any normal software vendor they are trying to get people on the latest and greatest, not make stuff from 17 years ago still work. I guess it's fantastic for him that this works, but given how hard it would be for John Q. Public to find Windows 3.1 and probably also to find an ancient copy of Photoshop, this is starting to sound like a bit of a taunt on how he was able to do something that almost nobody else will be able to do.

Some companies have a concept called "customer service". Might want to try it some time.

Re:Is colinneagle some kind of VIP? (2)

Farmer Pete (1350093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717669)

Maybe he has Photoshop under maintenance? If so, downgrade rights are typically included. I know that my company can install Windows 3.1 on any new computer we want, as long as we keep windows under maintenance.

Re:Is colinneagle some kind of VIP? (1)

WhatAreYouDoingHere (2458602) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717841)

I'm not "John Q. Public" but I have Windows 3.1 and workgroups 3.11 readily available... that is, if the floppy disks are still readable. But yeah, how easily will any average "Joe" be able to obtain that old of software, if they don't have it lying around already?

Its a sad commentary about the state of GNU+Linux (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717541)

When its not on par with a Microsoft OS from 20 years ago.

How far can I take this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717571)

To a job interview at Microsoft.
They too seem to think any old app can be used on a tablet as long as it runs.

Looking into this for NeXTstep to run Virtuoso (1)

WillAdams (45638) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717573)

I'm dreading my current Mac being replaced w/ one which won't be able to run Mac OS X 10.6, so that I'll have to give up Rosetta and Macromedia FreeHand MX --- rather than running Windows in Parallels and FreeHand MX in that, I've been contemplating back-saving all my files to FreeHand v4, then installing NeXTstep (or OPENSTEP) into VirtualBox and Altsys Virtuoso 2 into that.

William

Re:Looking into this for NeXTstep to run Virtuoso (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717819)

Why not just get a copy of Mac OS X Server and run that in a vm? Its allowed in the license agreement if done on Apple hardware.

Duh (1)

Barryke (772876) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717697)

Seriously. You cant create on (todays) tablets. They are for consuming.
If he wanted to do graphics fingering, he should just install PicSay Pro on his Android.

This story just proves how people forget to zoom out and look at whats really the problem. (answer: thats gravity)

Re:Duh (1)

Barryke (772876) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717737)

And he should just buy a Surface Pro and be done with it. I'm going to. Its the first step beyond the classic laptop which basically just was a foldable desktop.

Missing the FOSSpoint (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717699)

Using proprietary software in a vitrualized proprietary OS on a fork of Linux...


WHOOSH

16 Bit Games (1)

Dangerous_Minds (1869682) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717761)

Once you have Windows 3.1 loaded and functioning properly in DOSBox, you can run pretty much any 16 bit game you can find. You might need to install certain drivers to get some games to display properly which this guide covers nicely [zeropaid.com] . Ideally, you'd be running the 16 bit game in straight DOSBox first. If it asks for a Windows installation, then boot up 3.1 first and execute it via file manager. There are entire repositories of Abandonware if you do a little Googling around, so you are literally opening yourself up to being able to play thousands of games you wouldn't otherwise be able to. One video game that is legally being distributed is Elder Scrolls II [elderscrolls.com] , though I don't believe you need Windows 3.1 for that. I've also heard of people running Microsoft Works for Windows using this method, but it's kind of redundant when you have Open Office and Libre Office floating around. Windows 3.1 and DOSBox is really a compatibility thing, so you can take it to whatever your needs are.

Gimped Irony (1, Interesting)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717797)

Everyone complains about Gimp... and then does fuck-all to help improve it. I guess writing actual code can't compare to their halcyon student days of bootlegging Photoshop.

Does Gimp suck so much? (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717811)

Does Gimp suck so much that people are willing to go and beg Adobe for a 17 year old version, while they would not take the source code and compile Gimp in whatever platform they are working on?

Most likely people have simply given up taking the source code and building it themselves. If a prebuilt binary is not available they will simply give up.

Re:Does Gimp suck so much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717909)

Does Gimp suck so much that people are willing to go and beg Adobe for a 17 year old version

CMYK.

This looks shopped. (2)

stewsters (1406737) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717823)

This is back when "I can see from some of the pixels" was a valid complaint.

source:
I have seen quite a few shops in my day.

ok this is pretty amazing but... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717851)

It still falls short a bit of having a usable Photoshop on a tablet. The latest Photoshop is not touch-aware, and is (from experience) very difficult to use on a touch-only device. Adobe needs to do some work there, and their efforts [wikipedia.org] thus far [adobe.com] are toys, meant for dressing up tablet camera photos, not serious content creation.

This is, incidentally, the same issue on Windows 8 tablets. Yes, you can use the latest full version of Photoshop. (Assuming intel-based tablets, because on ARM you have the same issue -- there's no version compiled for your device.) Yes, the experience still sucks, unless you attach the optional keyboard and mouse and use it like a laptop. But then, why not just use a laptop? And if you're going to use a laptop anyway, why put up with the funky Windows 8 interface when you can continue to use the more KVM-friendly interface of Windows 7?

So, kudos to samzenpus for figuring this out -- it's pretty cool. But it's more an interesting gimmick than the thing everyone -- including me -- have been looking for.

too outdated, too few features. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42717867)

Photoshop CS 2 can be downloaded for free from Adobe. And it runs pretty good with WINE.
So what?

Sounds Great - Where can *we* get Win 3.1? (1)

mykepredko (40154) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717879)

That sounds *really* interesting - anybody know where the rest of the population can get Windows 3.1 licenses?

I doubt that Microsoft would be willing to release it into the wild - so where can we find them?

myke

Now I'm going to have to drag out DOSBOX (1)

sconeu (64226) | about a year and a half ago | (#42717897)

and my ancient Windows 1.03 floppies. Of course, finding a 5.25" drive to read them may be a problem... I'll have to dig around in my junk box.

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