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Officials Warn: Cyber War On the US Has Begun

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the get-to-the-choppa! dept.

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snydeq writes "Security pros and government officials warn of a possible cyber 9/11 involving banks, utilities, other companies, or the Internet, InfoWorld reports. 'A cyber war has been brewing for at least the past year, and although you might view this battle as governments going head to head in a shadow fight, security experts say the battleground is shifting from government entities to the private sector, to civilian targets that provide many essential services to U.S. citizens. The cyber war has seen various attacks around the world, with incidents such as Stuxnet, Flame, and Red October garnering attention. Some attacks have been against government systems, but increasingly likely to attack civilian entities. U.S. banks and utilities have already been hit.'"

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"Cyber 9/11" (5, Insightful)

ShaunC (203807) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719139)

Really? So we're going to see buildings destroyed, thousands murdered? The hyperbole is way out of hand on this one.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (5, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719215)

Don't you get man?!

The porn! They're going to be deleting all of our precious, precious porno!

It'll be like back in the dark ages again with cave drawings and domestic animals.

Game over man, GAME OVER!

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (2)

davester666 (731373) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719517)

MY porn is in the cloud, and everybody knows, its pointless to attack a cloud.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (5, Funny)

GT66 (2574287) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719893)

I've been using the color copier at work to print my favorite pornos out one frame at a time on reams of company paper to turn into flip books.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719255)

more like money disappearing and wall street execs jumping from the roofs of there pent houses. Unless they get into the power system and turn it off !! Now that would be a pain.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42720169)

...and wall street execs jumping from the roofs of there pent houses.

That'd be a happy sight.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719265)

The hyperbole is WAY out of hand on all of the "cyber war" discussions.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (5, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719271)

Well, how else are you going to convince people that they should be spending huge sums of taxpayer money to help private industry do the computer security work they should have already done at their own expense?

But yes, it cheapens the meaning of the real 9/11 when you use it to scare people into responding to non-lethal threats. Apparently, banks and utilities have already been hit, and nobody outside of those organizations even noticed. That tells you how much of a non-threat it is.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (5, Interesting)

NFN_NLN (633283) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719313)

Really? So we're going to see buildings destroyed, thousands murdered? The hyperbole is way out of hand on this one.

It's all about strategically timed loss of service to exacerbate tensions:

- Disable electricity during a heat wave in Atlanta = Riot
- Disable communications right after a white police officer is acquitted of beating a black suspect in LA = Riot & Looting
- Disable banking/credit card during Black Friday = Riot, people already riot and trample each other in Walmart without a loss of service.

Basically the US is a powder keg... all it takes is a spark :)

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

Jetra (2622687) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719341)

Fire Sale! I loved that movie.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (4, Insightful)

eksith (2776419) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720035)

That's a very bleak assessment of us :/

Not completely disagreeing with you, but people are capable of other courses of action in dire situations. I was in New York when the power outage happened in 2003 when a lot of the Northeast was completely dark except for a few lights being kept on by generators. This was only two years after 9/11 and the first thought on everyone's mind was terrorism, but no one panicked or rioted except for a few burglaries (those are always to be expected). People were being helped from the subways by fellow passengers, others took care of each other as best they can.

Even after the 2001 attacks, there were people helping out and staying calm (as best they can).

There are instances where people act like they've lost their minds during emergencies, but then they have already lost their minds by the time the rioting starts. The riot is just the symptom of that.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719329)

Buildings destroyed, probably not... Thousands murdered, perhaps. Why? Because many public utilities run on computers. You hack that system, you can do things like shut off electricity for an extended period of time and very few people have things like a backup generator. That guy with an oxygen pump? Dead. The diabetic who over time has their insulin harden into a jelly like substance because it's not cold? Dead. That hospital that didn't have a proper backup system for power? Many dead.

It's not exactly hard to murder people with a cyber attack, you won't see buildings destroyed like a normal attack though. Cyber attack, you could take out the financial market, which while not of upmost importance to most people these days, if you shut down VISA and Mastercard, there's a good chunk of people that won't have access to their money so getting food and water becomes a problem.

Now do I think this is going to happen soon? Nah... I'm not a doomsday theorist. Can it happen? Sure.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (5, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719597)

The problem is finding an area of the USA where a medium term power loss would not be business as usual, due to 3rd world infrastructure.

Hmm shutdown NYC's power, they'll collapse. Naah tried that short term back in the 00s and longer term last fall due to a mere rainstorm.

Hmm shutdown power in the south? Naah thats called a hurricane, they do that stuff couple times a year no problemo.

Hmm shutdown power in the west? Naah thats called a rolling california blackout, all part of a corrupt plan to increase prices and revenue. No problemo. Heck the crooks who run the place made more money, if anything thats encouraging them!

Hmm shutdown power in the midwest? Naah every time we get a wee windstorm or ice storm or blizzard or pretty much anything but still air, happens all the time. Oh yeah and the damn mississippi is either almost bone dry or flooding the land both causing power issues.

Is there anywhere left where power outages are unusual, maybe even dangerous?

Doesn't mean its not annoying, maybe even a little dangerous. In fact if there's even a hint that foreigners are behind it all, the biggest danger is attacking some other country. If saudi arabians fly jetliners into our skyscrapers we bomb afghanistan, so I assume if Venezuelans shut down the power in Florida for a little while we'd probably respond by bombing Iran.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (3, Insightful)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719799)

Buildings destroyed, probably not... Thousands murdered, perhaps. Why? Because many public utilities run on computers. You hack that system, you can do things like shut off electricity for an extended period of time and very few people have things like a backup generator. That guy with an oxygen pump? Dead. The diabetic who over time has their insulin harden into a jelly like substance because it's not cold? Dead. That hospital that didn't have a proper backup system for power? Many dead.

It's not exactly hard to murder people with a cyber attack, you won't see buildings destroyed like a normal attack though. Cyber attack, you could take out the financial market, which while not of upmost importance to most people these days, if you shut down VISA and Mastercard, there's a good chunk of people that won't have access to their money so getting food and water becomes a problem.

Now do I think this is going to happen soon? Nah... I'm not a doomsday theorist. Can it happen? Sure.

Pretty much every area of the USA is subject to disasters than can cause power interruptions, and already have measures in place to help those that can't survive for an extended period without power. Unless there is wide spread physical damage to repair, a cyber attack power outage will be relatively short lived.

I certainly think that 10's may die, maybe even 100's, but thousands? That seems unlikely. Even Hurricane Sandy's death toll in New York City was only 41

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720067)

Yes you might be able to cause a few deaths by killing all power. You could cause a few more by setting all intersections to ALL Ways Green.

But so what? People will quickly figure it out, cities will simply unplug the stop-lights reverting every intersection into take-your-turn.

You can't do any significant damage to a country, and render them in-capable of responding in kind, or with tomahawk missiles.
This is fear-mongering, plain and simple.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (4, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719355)

Don't you see? If we don't get our pointless billions in wasted defense spending, everyone will die.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719775)

Dont you mean trillions? :)

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (3, Interesting)

megamerican (1073936) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720161)

It'll be more like, if you don't give the government insane controls over the internet there will be 100 Chernobyl's in the United States. The legislation is already written. They just need the right opportunity (real of manufactured) to invoke fear and pass it without any congressman being able to read said legislation.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719377)

Actually, I believe it might be even bigger. We could be talking about nuclear power plants in the hands of the wrong people. Or air traffic control towers.

Silver lining (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719381)

Really? So we're going to see buildings destroyed, thousands murdered? The hyperbole is way out of hand on this one.

Yeah but a lot of those people killed were Wall Street fuckers and if they didn't die on 9/11, the financial collapse of '08 would have been much worse. It sucks that Al Qaeda also took out innocent people too. Maybe next time they can just go after the CEOs?

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719385)

If you hack a bank that causes them to say stop funding a hospital due to a "Computer Error" and people die because the hospital didn't get the resources they needed in time. The hacker is no less evil then a guy who just pushed the button to hit a bomb.

They justify their consciousness because it is just cleaner and they don't have the see the full effect.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

cdrudge (68377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719555)

If a hospital can't keep the necessary supplies in inventory to operate should a "computer error" happen and can't be resolved immediately, they shouldn't be a hospital.

No major business is going to operate on a "just in time" basis for financing. They are all going to carry lines of credit or other equivalent with their major suppliers. They are going to have 15-, 30-, 60-, 90-day terms or whatnot for invoicing.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

RoTNCoRE (744518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719751)

Really? There wasn't a human override anywhere in that chain of events, or a financial statement anywhere that could back up a hospital's account status? Or a supplier for a huge institution like a hospital would allow postpaid 30/60/90 days credit? That does any sort of risk analysis on the financial health of their key accounts that would clearly indicate that this is out of the norm?

You have taken the scare mongering hook, line, and sinker, and furthered it with hyperbole of your own. This is a grab for control of the internet, and advocating for the further erosion of individual rights that has been going on for a long time now.

As long as you have food, water, and heat, you'll be ok. Stop being so scared - you are allowing others to control you.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719767)

If you spin your head around like an owl you are no less evil than that thing from Exorcist or whatever.

The hell fantasy world are you living in? Institutions don't get shut down unless they have been bankrupt for months, go through at least one lawsuit brought by their creditors. Furthermore, hospitals are legally required to provide at least enough care to keep a person alive if they are having an emergency regardless of the financual situation. Someone managing to disprupt the communications of a bank is going to cause, at most, a few hours headache for a systems-administrator who is supposed to be stopping those things before they happen anyway.

Assuming what you described were even possible, I'd be inclined to arrest the jerk who decided that "not enough money" was grounds to let someone die, especially on such a temporary basis.

Maybe, sometime in the future, a 'hacker' will break somebody's life support system directly, but if they do we could just as easily blame the ignoramus who decided to put such a device on the Internet in the first place. Your fear of 'hackers' is based on some pretty basic misconceptions about how the world works and what computers are capable of.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719823)

If you hack a bank that causes them to say stop funding a hospital due to a "Computer Error" and people die because the hospital didn't get the resources they needed in time. The hacker is no less evil then a guy who just pushed the button to hit a bomb.

They justify their consciousness because it is just cleaner and they don't have the see the full effect.

Yeah, it would be the fault of the finance people at the bank that didn't have a manual process in place to secure operational funding.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720099)

Hospitals have ways to deal with this. There are, after all, power outages and disasters frequent enough to cause them to plan ahead, and they can run for over a month with zero funding, and several months once the government steps in.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (2)

swb (14022) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719395)

Well, if you can sabotage PLCs in a power plant and cause it to blow up, maybe.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719727)

I don't know about "blow up" but could certainly cause damage.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (4, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719495)

They're talking about an attack on our civil rights, and they're almost certain to win, just like the bad guys won after 9/11.

Wait for the next innocent convenient disaster. Bank led by crooks and con men goes out of business? Oh you say one foreigner tried identity theft once back in '98? Well that cause and effect is obvious, we need to "temporarily" suspend the constitution until the threat is neutralized aka forever.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (3, Funny)

pitchpipe (708843) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719541)

Well, to be fair, they did tone down the rhetoric a bit. Some of the phrases they were considering that were dropped in favor of "cyber 9/11":
  • Cyber Apocalypse
  • Cyber Armageddon
  • Cyber Annihilation
  • Cyber Holocaust
  • Cyber Extinction

Personally I like "The Cyber Extinction". It just sounds awesome!

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719701)

You don't get it, do you? If large scale cyberwarfare really happens, there will be no Internet, no power, no water, and finally no food supply in the US, for example. Even if some of you eat the rest of you, the deaths will be measured in numbers like 10^8, not 10^3.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719749)

9/11 wasn't just about death and destruction. It was about showing that the U.S. could be sucker punched right in the economy.

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (3, Funny)

Warhawke (1312723) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719809)

My God, it will be 911 times 404: file not found! That's, like, 368,044!!

Re:"Cyber 9/11" (2)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719941)

But Hyperbole is like the best thing EVER

Cyber incompetence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42720021)

Let's just call it a draw shall we?

WAKE ME WHEN SOMEONE BRINGS OUT A GUN !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719163)

Otherwise, nothing new here !!

Idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719201)

This cyberwarfare has been going on for more than five years now. Do you know how many banks, medical facilities, etc. as well as research institutions have been hit by the Chinese? I won't say whom, but a major US aerospace research corporation has been undergoing an almost constant stream of attacks since 2005...

Re:Idiots (5, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719457)

This cyberwarfare has been going on for more than five years now. Do you know how many banks, medical facilities, etc. as well as research institutions have been hit by the Chinese? I won't say whom, but a major US aerospace research corporation has been undergoing an almost constant stream of attacks since 2005...

So has my ssh server. Except that has been going on for much longer.
And when I turn on logging in iptables I see a constant patter of attempts on common windows networking ports as well.

Is this is what constitutes an "attack" in these reports?

My guess is that with public news articles coming out daily and homeland security trying to convince every
little public utility of grave danger and stampede them to harden their system, that these script kiddie attempts, which are
almost universally unsuccessful, are exactly what is being touted as a cyber warfare attack.

Re:Idiots (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719857)

Yeah. It sounds like we've been at war since the mid-90s.

Re: Idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719947)

Was it not one of the states in the US a few weeks ago that a USB data stick with a trojan caused issues for a utility company?

It boggles my mind that some companies in control of the grid haven't gotten it together yet. Especially as it potentially does not just affect them and their customers, but all of the tie-ins whom they purchase and sell power to.

(It also boggles my mind due to observing the measures taken to tighten security and harden operations of some of the Canadian provinces grids- yes, they make day-to-day work a pain in the ass, but considering most operators hired in the past 10 years have barely (if ever!) used anything other than SCADA for switching and would have little to no clue of what they were doing if they had to drive and manually switch circuits in and out...

(not an employee, 'just' a family member who was co-opted into typing reports for a parent due to better spelling and keyboarding at a very young age)

Re:Idiots (1)

ThatsLoseNotLoose (719462) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719869)

I won't say whom, but a major US aerospace research corporation has been undergoing an almost constant stream of attacks since 2005...

You don't have to say whom. They're all under attack. Have you never read a server log?

Cyber 9/11?!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719203)

By looks of it, it may be more like 9-11 times a MILLION!

Now, to prove your commitment to this, suck my cock. Ready? Go!

What a bunch of pansies! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719207)

So, they put a bug in Russian oil pipeline controlling kit that blows up. They put a virus on Iranian nuclear power testing plants (could have blown up).

And everything was just "The Next Cyber War Could Be Deadly".

But now that the USA's banks are being attacked, "ITS THE NEXT 11/9!!!!!!!!!!"

Fucking drama queens.

Re:What a bunch of pansies! (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719233)

what about bugging the missiles so they fail wait they may just fail on there own.

Rights attack (4, Insightful)

JeffSh (71237) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719221)

FUD to steal more of our rights away. "FOR YOUR PROTECTION, we need to monitor everything, sign on the dotted line and everything will be ok. You Can Trust US" MEH.

Anything to keep the masses fearful (5, Insightful)

fredrated (639554) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719231)

After all, what with fiscal responsibility looming, we need all the excuses we can get to keep the war funds flowing.

Re:Anything to keep the masses fearful (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719821)

As long as Democrats are opposed to any entitlement cuts and Republicans to any tax increases or defense cuts there is no imminent danger of fiscal responsibility. I prefer a different conspiracy theory. Since exaggerating the danger of physical terrorist attacks worked so well in limiting out physical privacy rights (see TSA, PATRIOT act etc) similar process will work in relieving us of our online privacy as well.

9/11 times... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719241)

Spottswoode: From what I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.N.C.E has gathered, it would be 9/11 times 100.
Gary Johnston: 9/11 times a hundred? Jesus, that's...
Spottswoode: Yes, 91,100.

Bad news on the horizon. (5, Insightful)

doubledown00 (2767069) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719243)

If even somewhat true, this is the kind of thing that will usher in a new era of network surveillance and the kind of restrictions that will kill a formerly free Internet. Governments will have much more incentive to get involved in the standards drafting process in order to ensure "proper adherence" to national security "requests" etc.

I hope I'm wrong, but having seen how people go apeshit with simple "point and click" technologies like guns.......let's see what happens when you get a bunch of old white guys with power trying to lock down things they *truly* don't understand.

Hyperbole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719249)

It's going to be a cyber holocaust!

Re:Hyperbole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719759)

are you a denier that this has already happened!!!! NARUS

Well now... (2, Insightful)

maugle (1369813) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719257)

Can't say I'm surprised about how vulnerable our infrastructure is. TheDailyWTF is chock-full of stories about massive security holes in company networks, and the firing of anyone who tries to point them out and get them fixed.

Re:Well now... (2)

Grand Facade (35180) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719337)

TheDailyWTF is chock-full of stories about massive security holes in company networks, and the persecution/prosecution of anyone who tries to point them out and get them fixed.

There I fixed that for you.

Re:Well now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719437)

d in a shadow fight, security experts say the battleground is shifting from government entities to the private sector, to civilian targets that provide many essential services to U.S. citizens. The cyber war has seen various attacks around the world, with incidents

Lawrence Lessig on the coming "i-Patriot Act" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719321)

Lawrence Lessig on the coming "i-Patriot Act" - Boing Boing http://goo.gl/Zl0oq

What goes around (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719349)

I worried that stuxnet rather than being the nuclear end game might have further reaching consequences that could escallate into all out cyber war. It appears that I was not wrong. We can't stop illegals from pouring over our borders. We can't stop drug abuse, crime, poverty, or any other social ill that the government has tried to stop. Sure, we've thrown lots of money at those problems, but what's the return on investment? Did we get what we paid for? IMO no. Yet, somehow we're going to stop a foriegn country that hates us and has no respect for our wishes from developing nuclear weapons? Good luck with that.

unofficials say: Those who throw the first stone . (1)

burni2 (1643061) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719393)

will be hit by the second stone

Some may call it a war, but I call it retaliation, for what ? .. Stuxnet, Flame, ..

Btw. there is an easy way how to prevent war .. well it includes NOT throwing the first stone .. and NOT presenting the first stone and playing a around and faking to through ..

Well it's like what israel does - not throwing the first stone not playing with one around - with it's nukes, they have them, everybody knows off, but they do not present them and they do not say that they have them.

Re:unofficials say: Those who throw the first ston (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719509)

Yeah, right. This works. Native americans where throwing stones, and they where just blown away by someone hitting them back. Like other conquired/occupied nations: they all started it.

Rules the one who has biggest stick. It was so, and it will be so.

Re:unofficials say: Those who throw the first ston (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719783)

then quit your bitching and take it up the ass like a man

Re:unofficials say: Those who throw the first ston (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720155)

Great strategy. Its kept Israel out of so many wars.....
Oh, wait...

Run to the Cyber Hills! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719397)

I'm lucky in that I live in a cyber bunker with no outside cyber communic ***CARRIER LOST***

Our little green friend (4, Funny)

retaj (1020999) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719409)

Begun, the Cyber Wars have.

It has begun? (4, Insightful)

KermodeBear (738243) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719433)

What the heck is he smoking? China et al. have been attacking the US through computer systems for decades.

Re:It has begun? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719801)

What the heck is he smoking?

I don't know. Whatever you smoke when you try to get more money, I guess. Maybe a cigar?

Re:It has begun? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719855)

yes but this is not about an actual cyber war, but rather funding for retaliation to the the proposed "cyber 911" in which to start a war on (cyber)terror that can keep all the war profiteer's happy.

US Agencies warning about other US Agencies? (5, Interesting)

Spectre (1685) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719465)

They are mentioning StuxNet and the like as a threat example? So, the US is in danger of malware created by the US ... perhaps loosing viral code on the world wasn't a good idea.

"We're finding espionage, advanced persistent threats (APTs), and other malware sitting in networks, often for more than a year before it's ever detected," Martinez says.

Now, to "protect" ourselves from our government we need to do what ... turn over more information and control to the people that created the problem? Why would I want to give more power to people that have already proven they can't be trusted with it?

This sounds like nothing more than multi-faceted spin control and manipulation.

What I hear being said:
Look, we need a larger budget to monitor this situation.
And more power to get the information we need without the red tape of actually getting warrants.
For your protection against what we've done, you should just give us all your info, all the time.

Re:US Agencies warning about other US Agencies? (2)

zlives (2009072) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719871)

well... at least its not for the children this time....

Re:US Agencies warning about other US Agencies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719955)

^ This :(

Re:US Agencies warning about other US Agencies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42720075)

The psychopaths will force your incorporation, and your thankfulness.

Captcha: reselect

Re:US Agencies warning about other US Agencies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42720081)

perhaps loosing viral code on the world wasn't a good idea.

+1 for using loosing - I've only seen it as a misspelling of losing. I'm still not sure it's a verb, but I like your style.

Re:US Agencies warning about other US Agencies? (1)

TwineLogic (1679802) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720203)

There are factions within the U.S. Government and they aren't always in coordination. What's more, Stuxnet was probably written by Mossad, not CIA.

Security Pros say (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719473)

Security Pros say: We need more money for security! There is a war that has just begun, and we need to win it, but to win it we need money. Lots of money! Tons of money! Shitloads of tax-payer money!

Thank you very much.

Canada's got WMCD!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719515)

Quick, we need to invade Canada!
They're hiding Weapons of Mass Cyber Destruction!!!

I can see big business saying to the feds (2)

Grand Facade (35180) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719527)

Oh! Noz! We need help to keep away the bad hackerz! (terrorists)

We need money to rebuild our infrastructure and a special prosecutor to chase the bad terrorists.

(even though they have been wandering around for the last 40 years with their pants down)

Stuxnet / Flame (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719533)

Wasn't it the US who helped MAKE that thing in the first place?
And they wonder why they are a target?

Yeah, I trust Iran as much as I trust a kid with a grenade, but fuck, I trust the USA considerably less than I do Iran.

[ just got put on the terrorist list, banned from USA ]
Like I care anyway, wouldn't want to go to that disgraceful place. Shame for the people there.
They are pretty much the privatised China.
I'm sorry China, don't hurt me. I love you guys. You get shit done. Even if it kills people.

Just started... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719535)

Seriously!? wtf, it started a long long time ago my friends... (perhaps even in a galaxy far away)

Wrong date/place (2)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719561)

Instead of cyber-pearlharbour or cyber-9/11, the right expression should be cyber-normandy. So far the main cyber attacking force comes from US in a lot of fronts, stuxnet/flame (is a nice point to show destructive weapons to scare population without naming that you are the one creating/using them), massive spying on private communications from all the world is being done by US agencies, and intrusive legal initatives are pushed to all governments of the world (SOPA/PIPA/derivates like Spain's Sinde/etc). So far has been a war against freedom, and some of the forces "attacking" US seem to be trying (in a good or bad way) to not lose that freedom.

Is a war of US against the World, and they put the world in front to make you believe that they are the victims.

MINUS 4, TROLL) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719643)

sling, Return it 7o States that there

FTFA: "From Inquirer Wire Services" (1)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719687)

Seriously? why not just use an article from Fox news and be done with it? Banks get hit by attacks constantly. This is not news.

Gross mismanagement, corruption and negligence of companies which spend millions of tax dollars and fail to secure basic computing resources (like encrypted laptops)? Now that's something to call attention to.

They hacked my computer already (1)

eye_blinked (2775553) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719697)

I have a new startup sound. It's the sound of rubber gloves being snapped into place. The TSA wants to look down my trousers and inspect my transport layer.

Finding != Detecting ? (1)

joshcough (2791425) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719733)

How does this sentence make sense? "We're finding espionage, advanced persistent threats (APTs), and other malware sitting in networks, often for more than a year before it's ever detected," Martinez says. Isn't that the same as saying, "We detected it before it was detected?" Are they just leaving it there to let it bite others in the ass?

Re: Finding != Detecting ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42720047)

I believe that the statement was referencing that the threats had been in the systems for a year or more before they were found / detected / discovered / dealt with

Only thing (1)

houghi (78078) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719765)

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

Oh: and apparently you can fool enough people all the time.

And it started in? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719833)

EVE Online? Amiright???? Just saying its a little *too* convenient.

RBS Citizens (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42719837)

They basically shut down the Citizens bank web site for 3 days last week. It made it impossible to pay some bills on-time. The idiots at the bank called it "heavy traffic which is called a distributed denial of service". They would not call it an attack.

Good luck with that (1)

GT66 (2574287) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719859)

" U.S. banks and utilities have already been hit.'"" I knew there was an up side to having no savings and owing shitloads of money to the utilities. Take that prudent financial management!

Linux/BSD ...kthxbye (1, Interesting)

ilikenwf (1139495) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719911)

This wouldn't happen near as much if every corp, govt, person, and entity otherwise had a hardened multi-layer, stateful packet inspection firewall, with obscurity on the internal network, good policies, and Linux/BSD client machines. I blame Cisco and their crappy software on their great hardware, Microsoft for their substandard OS and applications, and Apple for their elitist "you can't touch this" attitude towards security on their OS.

It's not a War (2)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719959)

The government has simply decided to call it a War because with the wars on "drugs" and "terror" winding down, they need a new bogeyman to make everyone afraid of so they can get the next big round of taxpayer-funded defense grants.

Hacking has been going on since the birth of the Internet, and it will keep going on until global warming turns the Earth into a smoldering cinder.

Uh huh (3, Insightful)

koan (80826) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719973)

Oh look another "war" without a clear enemy or end in sight...

One that is super simple to avoid you have to wonder why they keep leaving critical infrastructure online.

Shouldn't that be Cyber 00001001/00001011 ? (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about a year and a half ago | (#42719999)

BITS we'll be blown to, all of us, after all.

Another excuse to get money is all (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42720003)

Everytime an agencies cocaine bucket runs dry they drum up some hyperbole about how "america is under attack" and then "declare war on" said attacker in order to get bills passed and to get funding. Want a couple easy million? Say america is under attack and tadah, 20 million dollars in your pocket.

The war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on homelessness, the war on poverty, and so on. Americans love to think america is at war with something that somehow threatens americans. They get out their flag hats, flag tshirts, flag bumper stickers and start chanting about how awesome america is. But none of them ever notice that what we are declaring war on is ever actually fixed. A lot of money is spent, a lot of time is wasted but at the end of the day nothing has changed.

This one should be entertaining to say the least though. The war on terror was hillarious to me especially considering everyone lined up to get behind the president and chanted "support our troops" in order to protect our freedom. But none of them stopped to realize the only, and I mean only people who can take our freedom away is our own government. And we lost some freedoms in that war on terror and it was taken by our own government. So this whole cyber war should prove to be quite interesting from a spectators viewpoint.

Follow the money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42720009)

Who is warning us of this impending doom? "Security Pros". Who has the most to gain from security panic? "Security Pros".

SCADA vulnerabilities are quite real (2)

CFD339 (795926) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720023)

My understanding is that SCADA -- which allows the remote management of a great many infrastructure technologies like power substations and such -- is extremely vulnerable, to the extent that I read there is a manufacturer's back door in many (most?) that is easily determined if you know the mac address of the device, and that the mac addresses are fairly easy to come by.

Well... (2)

Rassleholic (591097) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720057)

Considering that the private sector considers anything that doesn't "generate revenue" as a massive cost sink, it's no wonder that security and maintenance infrastructure has been gutted to the point where a stiff breeze could send it all crashing down and massive data theft is so common it's no longer newsworthy.

Fahrenheit 9/11 (1)

MatrixCubed (583402) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720061)

So... some rich dude will take out a huge insurance policy on a credit card database, just days before it's hacked and the information stolen?

Not a "War," a Money Grab (2)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720065)

The government and/or the powers that be have simply decided to call it a War because with the wars on "drugs" and "terror" winding down, they need a new bogeyman to make everyone afraid of so they can get the next big round of taxpayer-funded defense grants.

Hacking has been going on since the birth of the Internet, and it will keep going on until global warming turns the Earth into a smoldering cinder.

Someone's Pissed... (1)

jmd (14060) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720123)

USSC.gov. was hacked. Sys Admins put it back online. USSC was hacked again. This time with keystrokes to play tetris and a nyan cat. As of this writing USSC is still down. Someone is pissed.

So........This is a great excuse to steal more money from taxpayers using fear. The fear instilled in us taxpayers (stuxnet etc) was created by..guess who??

The game is over .. Anonymous has called it right. This will be an interesting ride over the next few years.

Nothing To See Here (2)

Scarletdown (886459) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720167)

All in all, this is sounding like just another scare tactic to maintain a perpetual state of war, keeping the public paranoid and distrusting of anyone except our "benevolent leaders" who pretend to be looking after our best interests.

Don't forget the post-election attacks (1, Interesting)

TwineLogic (1679802) | about a year and a half ago | (#42720187)

In fact, the November 15th United Airlines was a cyber attack. This was a retaliation for the severing of Russian civilian satellite control. In turn, that was a U.S. attack intended to silence Russian (RT.com) claims that the Petraeus scandal was the fall-out of a barely-discovered voting fraud "coup attempt," and that President Obama and Defense Secretary Panetta had fled the United States to Asia immediately after the coup was discovered.

lp0: on fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42720189)

Next time, instead of writing "cyber-9/11", please consider setting yourself on fire instead. Thanks.

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