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North Korea's Prison Camps Are Now On Google Maps

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the follow-the-dirt-road-and-hang-a-left-at-the-Denny's dept.

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pigrabbitbear writes "It's been nearly a decade since Shin Dong-hyuk, an ex-prisoner of North Korea's Camp 14, crawled over the electrocuted body of a friend lying dead on a fence, a boundary he was born inside of and lived within for 23 years. He made his way across the Chinese border on foot and was granted political asylum and citizenship in Seoul. Now, thanks to updated Google maps of the region, you can actually (if somewhat loosely) retrace the steps of his incredible escape. Through its Map Maker program, which crowdsources cartographic info, Google has published finer details of some North Korean roads. More notably, it has included shaded-in locations of the country's notorious prison camps. The data has flowed in from a few different sources, including defected North Korean expats now living in Seoul. Geographically-minded tourists and visitors of North Korea have weighed in, and historic map data from pre-partitioned Korea into has also been helpful. (Google maintains that the recent trip to Pyongyang by CEO Eric Schmidt had nothing to do with this project.)"

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Old News (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731389)

This has been on the iOS platforms since the last update. I asked Siri for riving direction to Sam's Hamburger shack and ended up in a NK concentration camp. Kinda hard to explain to Lil Un, but after a few months I was let go.

Re:Old News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731661)

Your story is coolest story, bra-san.

North Korea does serve as an example ... (-1, Flamebait)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#42733357)

The country of North Korea does serve as an example to all freedom loving people that, when good people do nothing, evil triumphs.

What is happening now in North Korea could happen anywhere, and I mean, anywhere, including the US of A, if the Americans keep on giving up their God given rights in exchange for "peaceful society".

Re:North Korea does serve as an example ... (1, Flamebait)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#42733679)

1) There is no god to give out rights. Rights are discussed and agreed upon amongst people.

2) The origin of North Korea wasn't the lack of people standing up for their rights. The origin was the partitioning of the country into to and the subsequent remote playing out of the cold war between the then world superpowers of The USSR and the USA.

It has absolutely nothing to do with your assumed gun rights. Change the tune.

Does iOS have reviews? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731693)

Does iOS have reviews? Google does [google.com] , and I think this place looks better than a lot of the places the Lonely Planet recommends in that neighborhood...

Re:Does iOS have reviews? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 years ago | (#42731971)

This prison camp is offensive to every civilized person, a place of unbelievable hardship and inhumanity. On the plus side, it has a very small carbon footprint and pretty much everything is recycled.

On the other hand, the reviews look like written by green Apple hipsters.

Re:Old News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731843)

Google's update isn't even all that good. I mean, no Street View of the joint? SAVAGES!

Re:Old News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732031)

Are you sure they let you go, or did they use your iPhone when moving you to a different camp?

Re:Old News (-1, Offtopic)

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So who wants to go visit? (1)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#42731403)

I mean I always read about westerners trying to sneak into the country
Must be the awesome there

Re:So who wants to go visit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731431)

You are merely a visitor. I was born in it. Moulded by it...

Re:So who wants to go visit? (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#42732799)

You are merely a visitor. I was born in it. Moulded by it...

You are merely a moron, I was born it. Moulded by it...

Re:So who wants to go visit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731477)

Must be the awesome there

Free health care, so it's an improvement anyhow.

Re:So who wants to go visit? (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about 2 years ago | (#42731561)

Performed by Kim Jong un himself!

Re:So who wants to go visit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731621)

He once removed a kidney of mine without using surgical equipment.... three times!

and sold it for X5 the cost of takeing out with yo (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 2 years ago | (#42731955)

and sold it for X5 the cost of taking out with you getting $0 out of it.

Re:So who wants to go visit? (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | about 2 years ago | (#42732201)

He once removed a kidney of mine without using surgical equipment.... three times!

Fortunately there are no germs in NK.

no it's same type of camps the jews where put it (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 2 years ago | (#42731589)

no it's same type of camps the jews where put it

Re:no it's same type of camps the jews where put i (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731641)

The jews didn't have to pay for health care while in camp either.

Re:no it's same type of camps the jews where put i (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731865)

Yes, a US invention, btw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#Concentration_camp

Re:no it's same type of camps the jews where put i (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732929)

Your own link points out that the Polish possibly imprisoned people in this manner before the US; also that the term was actually coined by the British in the Boer War. And should we really go heavy on the finger pointing here? After all, the implication is that before concentration camps subjugated people were simply slaughtered en mass.

Re:no it's same type of camps the jews where put i (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733109)

Yes, but in his defense, we still claim to have invented it (like the car, etc).

Re:So who wants to go visit? (4, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | about 2 years ago | (#42731613)

I mean I always read about westerners trying to sneak into the country.

I can recall only a couple of cranks in recent years who tried to sneak in for missionary purposes or whatever. However, tourism in North Korea is a pretty ordinary thing, as much as Americans (who would have some difficult obtaining a visa) think it's somehow impenetrable. You fly in from China, are assigned to a group with a minder, and you get a tour of various impressive Communist sites and the North Korea side of the DMZ. You don't get to freely move about, but visiting North Korea holds some attraction for those who want to see the bizarre cult of personality state that it is before it (hopefully) disappears forever. There are myriad blogs on the web detailing people's trips.

Re:So who wants to go visit? (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 2 years ago | (#42731827)

I gather there is one church that sends up balloons from south korea, each carrying a bible, designed to deflate and land in the north.

Re:So who wants to go visit? (2)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | about 2 years ago | (#42732583)

A great trip report is the Google Talk by Siegfried S. Hecker [youtube.com] , nuclear scientist (Los Alamos) and advises the US government on the nuclear proliferation w.r.t. North Korea. And on one of the last trips, they proudly show him what they have.

Re:So who wants to go visit? (1)

isorox (205688) | about 2 years ago | (#42732811)

I mean I always read about westerners trying to sneak into the country.

I can recall only a couple of cranks in recent years who tried to sneak in for missionary purposes or whatever. However, tourism in North Korea is a pretty ordinary thing, as much as Americans (who would have some difficult obtaining a visa) think it's somehow impenetrable. You fly in from China, are assigned to a group with a minder, and you get a tour of various impressive Communist sites and the North Korea side of the DMZ. You don't get to freely move about, but visiting North Korea holds some attraction for those who want to see the bizarre cult of personality state that it is before it (hopefully) disappears forever. There are myriad blogs on the web detailing people's trips.

There are some more unique ways in. I read a blog about some Austrians that went in via train. NK were not expecting that!

There are more difficult places to go to for those that want the been-there-done-that stamp. Pitcairn Island, French southern and Antarctic lands from a remoteness perspective. From a permit perspective, the gaza strip (as a tourist), and Kashmir I think is off limits too. Not sure how easy Rast Timor is to get to at the moment, or the Tamil part of sri lanka.

Re:So who wants to go visit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732959)

The Indian side of Kashmir anyone can visit, all you need is the regular Indian tourist visa.
East Timor is also open. You can fly into Dili and get a visa on arrival for many nationalities.

Schmidt has been converted (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731425)

He is now a Google Maps robot. It's really pretty ingenious. The only way to access this information was as a high-level person, so Google had no other choice.

OpenStreetMap has better maps of North Korea (5, Informative)

SWroclawski (95770) | about 2 years ago | (#42731433)

If you look at OpenStreetMap's maps of North Korea in comparison to Google, you see that the OSM maps are of much higher quality, as well as being Free (unlike Google MapMaker):

http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnik&mt1=googlemap&lon=125.7375&lat=39.03865&zoom=12 [geofabrik.de]

Re:OpenStreetMap has better maps of North Korea (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#42731807)

Well - it has more detail. A map's quality is measured by its accuracy, and how much information it conveys. I can't speak to the accuracy of either map, but the Google map is definitely a lot easier to understand - or at least, I can make a lot of implicit assumptions about the lay of the land from the map. Without memorizing what colors correspond to what, the Openmap is a lot harder to understand.

Again, a lot rests on the accuracy of the map (both objectively and what I can implicitly deduce). But purely from an organizational perspective, Google Maps is much better. And either one is better than bing, which is just empty.

Conversely... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731453)

(Google maintains that the recent trip to Pyongyang by CEO Eric Schmidt had nothing to do with this project.)"

North Korea maintains that this project has nothing to do with their ongoing development of nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles that can reach Mountain View, CA.

Check out the reviews for Hwasong Gulag (5, Funny)

futhermocker (2667575) | about 2 years ago | (#42731461)

Seems to be a pretty cool resort
http://goo.gl/maps/bVK4C [goo.gl]

Re:Check out the reviews for Hwasong Gulag (0)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#42732835)

Wow, a username like "futhermocker" and a shortened URL? The mods are sure brave today! Is that goatse they found so funny? Spam site? Someone wanting to drop a virus? No way I'm clicking.that link, what's the REAL url? This isn't twitter, please stop shortening URLs. To link a site, do this: <a href="goatsemalwareuglysister.xxx">really cool pictures of a supermodel </a> so everyone will know it's safe.

Twit. With a six digit URL you should know better.

Re:Check out the reviews for Hwasong Gulag (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733127)

Wow, if only there was a URL shortener service that Google ran directly, so you could assure yourself by the URL that it certainly redirected to Google Maps and not a youtube video of a shitty 80's pop song or a man's distended anus or something. They could even use Greenland's country code to make it a nice pun, something like "goo.gl/maps", for example.

Re:Check out the reviews for Hwasong Gulag (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733145)

WHY (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731469)

Why were they not on before? I was just looking at NK last weak and found in no time the buildings where NK and SK face each other ! And I couldent find that place after looking for 30 min a year ago !

Re:WHY (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#42731735)

Why were they not on before? I was just looking at NK last weak and found in no time the buildings where NK and SK face each other ! And I couldent find that place after looking for 30 min a year ago !

They face each other with guard towers all along their border. There is no ONE place.
You were probably looking for the famous place where peace talks were/are held. see: http://goo.gl/maps/KTRtC [goo.gl]

However, if you look along the border there are dozens of places [goo.gl] where there are military establishments [goo.gl] on either side [goo.gl]
of the DMZ. Many of these face each other. They are usually on every high hill,

Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731629)

Very old : video [youtube.com]

You know what's not on Google Maps? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731633)

The FEMA death camps that have been set up to imprison free and liberated Americans as Obama's Atheistic Muslim Communist Fascism is implemented in this country.

The abortion-mill brothels will also not be shown. Because Google is in it on it, as is NASA, SpaceX, and Boeing. It's all part of the conspiracy with the Reverse Vampires and Doctor Evil.

Re:You know what's not on Google Maps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731907)

Started out troll/whackjob, but ramped up to over-the-top silliness. Well-played, sir or madam. Well-played.

Re:You know what's not on Google Maps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732967)

At what point did the ramping up occur?

Re:You know what's not on Google Maps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731979)

That's just what AIG wants you to think.

Re:You know what's not on Google Maps? (2)

gmhowell (26755) | about 2 years ago | (#42732593)

The FEMA death camps that have been set up to imprison free and liberated Americans as Obama's Atheistic Muslim Communist Fascism is implemented in this country.

The abortion-mill brothels will also not be shown. Because Google is in it on it, as is NASA, SpaceX, and Boeing. It's all part of the conspiracy with the Reverse Vampires and Doctor Evil.

Can't tell if troll or if Alex Jones forgot his password.

Re:You know what's not on Google Maps? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#42732905)

It's a troll (or an incredibly stupid attempt at humor) and whoever modded it "funny" is a dork (and yes, I said that on purpose, waste your points modding me down, idiot, so you don't have the points to mod idiocy up).

BTW, the troll wasn't funny but I got a chuckle out of your unmodded comment. I wonder why moderation is so abysmal today, I've seen a "make shitloads of money on the internet" spam twice today, neither one modded down. And they mod that garbage UP!

Did I get on 4chan or reddit by mistake?

One Day... (4, Insightful)

sycodon (149926) | about 2 years ago | (#42731639)

When NK falls and the full extent to which its people have been oppressed is revealed, the entire civilized world will hang its head in shame over how long this abomination has been allowed to exist.

Re:One Day... (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#42731757)

When NK falls and the full extent to which its people have been oppressed is revealed, the entire civilized world will hang its head in shame over how long this abomination has been allowed to exist.

The United States didn't want to get involved in the Germany / Jew issue, either.

Re:One Day... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732057)

I'm sorry, but the US is not the world's policeman. If there is mass murder, it does not automatically mean that the US has to intervene. If the President had a magic stick that automatically stopped the mass killings without other collateral killings and geopolitical destabilization, then you could make that argument. But the President doesn't have that magic stick, so the benefits and dangers of any type of intervention need to be carefully weighed.

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731857)

and sticking our nose in the affairs of the Middle East has done so well for us...

Re:One Day... (2)

Hentes (2461350) | about 2 years ago | (#42731873)

The entire civilized world can't do much while China is backing them. Sad as it is, it's not worth a nuclear war.

Re:One Day... (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#42732223)

there's also the merit of status quo, which is part of why nothing is being done about it.

that is, many north koreans know full well that if the curtain was to come down they would in jail and history books - if they were lucky, if unlucky they'd be executed(and because that's the way they roll in NK that's probably what they believe would happen to them). this is not just one or two north koreans but tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, who would need to be prosecuted. so it is believed that if the curtain starts coming down they might try to dispose of the problem by making the camps disappear(by killing everyone, maybe even the staff) rather than face the music.

that's part of the tragedy of the situation, that it's gone so long in such massive scale that it's impossible to just wind it down bit by bit. so opening north korea bit by bit like ussr was opened isn't going to happen(harshest ussr gulags, relocations and policies had been closed for couple of decades prior to winding down of the ussr).

just removing the government and letting it implode might be the best thing really - north koreans (like ussr citizens were) are already accustomed to keeping care of themselves, the army already taxes people like warlords and street thugs would so that wouldn't change one bit either.

Re:One Day... (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 2 years ago | (#42731893)

And what would you do about it? Blowing the government up would be easy, but then you have a flood of refugees as the country implodes - local warlords rise to power, starvation, and a general humanitarian disaster. Or you could invade but - as Iraq and Afganistan show - the locals won't be happy. There's a cult of personality at play, and invaders are never welcomed even if they are trying to act in the best interests of the invaded. So then you have a simmering conflict that goes on for years, costing trillions of dollars, and additionally earning you serious diplomatic troubles - because you can't very well do business with all the other oppressive governments in the world if they all worry they'll be next on the list.

There is no quick solution for North Korea. The best you can do is ignore it, occasionally intervene to make sure they don't get nuclear weapons, and hope that given enough time some leader will come to power who desires to break the isolation.

Re:One Day... (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#42732133)

as opposed to a single warlord, starvation and a humanitarian disaster?

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733265)

as opposed to a single warlord, starvation and a humanitarian disaster?

Bad as North Korea is, it would be worse for several at least several years if the government was removed by force. Iraq provides an instructive example.

Saying "option X is terrible" is not a strong argument for option Y. Sometimes all the options stink, and the least terrible of many terrible options is the best we can do.

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732199)

Aye, this is one of those hard truths that the bleeding hearts don't like to hear. We can't simply go open up a country like that with a crowbar and expect sunshine and rainbows. For all of our strength and power, we can't just haul a nation into the democratic first-world fold of "the west". It takes time, willingness, and slow gradual change. And generations.

I think everyone needs to remember the 300,000 people that DIED in the unrestrained sectarian violence during the Iraq occupation. Saddam may have been an evil war-criminal. But he kept that pot from boiling over. And that's not a clusterfuck the USA can simply walk away from. Nor can it simply fix it. The animosity from that period will linger and we'll have to accept the repercussions. Blowback is a bitch.

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731903)

the entire civilized world will hang its head in shame

No, actually, it won't. North Korea isn't doing much that is terribly offensive. There are no rich beyond the leadership, so income disparity is a solved problem. There is little exploitation of the environment; at night N. Korea is a void of darkness surrounded by brightly lit planet wrecking industrial states. There are no fat N. Koreans aside from Kim, so obesity is completely cured, and no one pays for health care.

The whole gulag thing is just an aberration. The fact that the same aberration emerges in every statist paradise is pure coincidence and entirely forgivable. Free health care, after all.

There will be no collective shame. Instead, the world will fret over each morsel of unfairness that develops as the able exploit whatever opportunities emerge. The world will wring it's collective hands when western and asian corporations make profits from N. Korean resources.

That will be about all the introspection we'll indulge about N. Korea.

Re:One Day... (1)

khallow (566160) | about 2 years ago | (#42733301)

There are no rich beyond the leadership, so income disparity is a solved problem.

In other words, income disparity is about as unsolved as it can get and still have a living underclass.

Re:One Day... (1)

synir (731266) | about 2 years ago | (#42731993)

Allowed? They have nuclear weapons and they are crazy. I obviously agree about the vile oppression taking place but there's only so much that can be done.

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733045)

Remember that when the cops explain why they had to finish the coffee and donuts while YOU were getting PITA.

Re:One Day... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732049)

This account of Soon Ok Lee before the US Senate Judiciary Committee is one of the most chilling things I've ever read:
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1

Some say the world would have acted against Hitler sooner if they knew of the concentration and death camps, but what that transcript describes I don't see as being materially different. The problem of course is that any military provocation would have dire consequences for Seoul.

Re:One Day... (1)

houghi (78078) | about 2 years ago | (#42732051)

When the US falls and the full extent to which its people have been oppressed is revealed, the entire civilized world will hang its head in shame over how long this abomination has been allowed to exist.

First I thought it would be funny to do the above and just write "Fixed that for you" and then I started to think.

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733167)

Don't strain anything.

Revealed? (1)

gatfirls (1315141) | about 2 years ago | (#42732063)

It's well and widely known the atrocities that go on there. From reports, things that make saddams rape rooms look like candyland. Of course like the shameful stupid nations we are, we continue to further isolate and punish the people of NK via sanctions and cock waving with its leaders. They could have ended hostilities long ago by trying to catch bees with honey instead of pouring vinegar on them and watching the people of NK pay the price. Knock out the leadership once and for all or come to the table and play nice. It's so shameful that the worlds answer has been "shame on you, no bags of rice for the poor this week" in response to decades of human rights abuses.

Re:Revealed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732113)

while helping people is nice and freeing the oppressed is noble, your understanding of the situation and how to handle it indicative of why you're an abject failure posting on slashdot and not someone who actually helps get these things done

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732073)

When NK falls and the full extent to which its people have been oppressed is revealed, the entire civilized world will hang its head in shame over how long this abomination has been allowed to exist.

No, it won't. It will point its fingers at somebody, somewhere and demand to know why they didn't do anything about it. Courts and tribunals will bring the case to trial, slap them on the wrist, and the world will rest easy knowing that justice has finally been done.

I doubt it (4, Insightful)

1800maxim (702377) | about 2 years ago | (#42732085)

The civilized world has been progressively removed from reality and will be too busy chatting on Facebook, worried about latest stock market fluctuations, and getting semi-affordable gas at the pump.

Typical response: "NK free? Yay! What movie u goin 2 see?"

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732301)

I'm sure that no one except the few rulers in N.Korea wanted this situation to exist. It seems to be an almost exact copy of the USSR when Stalin was in power. The size of these camps in N. Korea is apparently huge. What is disgusting is that the leaders of the communist party in N. Korea wanted this depravity to exist. What were and/or why were they thinking?

Re:One Day... (3, Informative)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | about 2 years ago | (#42733043)

What is disgusting is that the leaders of the communist party in N. Korea wanted this depravity to exist. What were and/or why were they thinking?

"As long as I get to be boss, fuck it."
(or something like that)

Re:One Day... (0)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about 2 years ago | (#42732323)

The civilized world won't do shit, much less "hang its head in shame." Humans are not compassionate creatures, by nature, except the immediate few we care about.

Re:One Day... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#42732949)

Humans are not compassionate creatures, by nature, except the immediate few we care about.HUMANS are.

Re:One Day... (1)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about 2 years ago | (#42733101)

Humans are not compassionate creatures, by nature, except the immediate few we care about.HUMANS are.

Sorry, but we didn't rise to the top of the food chain through compassion.

Re:One Day... (2)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about 2 years ago | (#42732327)

When NK falls and the full extent to which its people have been oppressed is revealed,

Here is a start - from the only person known to have been born in and escape from one of these prison camps. [utsalumni.org]

the entire civilized world will hang its head in shame over how long this abomination has been allowed to exist.

I agree. And it isn't just a case of china backing them or seoul being vulnerable. Why aren't we pushing for a full peace treaty - like we've ended every other official war - instead of just an armistice? The whole "the war is not over" thing is the main pillar of NK's pathology. I'm not so naive as to believe a peace treaty would magically make things all lovey-dovey. But it would be progress that does not require military force.

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732341)

Is it OK to stop abominations, or is "imperialistic conquest"? Make up your mind, because I'm sick and damn tired of getting beaten up for intervening and then being castigated for *not* intervening.

Re:One Day... (1)

Marxdot (2699183) | about 2 years ago | (#42733495)

No-one's picking on you.

Re:One Day... (1)

TheSync (5291) | about 2 years ago | (#42732537)

the entire civilized world will hang its head in shame over how long this abomination has been allowed to exist.

NK is a cult. I'm not sure how you can deprogram an entire country. It is true that dissenters are dealt with harshly, but most people in NK never dissent, not out of fear of punishment, but mainly because they buy into the regime's religion.

There were plenty of "true believers" in the USSR as well.

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733513)

And an overwhelming quantity of "true believers" in the US in the present day, provided there's not "a nigger socialist fascist communist Marxist" (sic) in the White House

Re:One Day... (1)

dtjohnson (102237) | about 2 years ago | (#42732861)

...the entire civilized world will hang its head in shame over how long this abomination has been allowed to

No shame. North Korea is propped up by China. Unless and until China changes its mind about supporting North Korea, there is nothing that the 'civilized world' can do that will make the situation any better...except, perhaps...buying less of the 'Made in China' stuff. Moreover, the only thing that China cares about right now is flexing its muscles to take over a couple of small islands that Japan has owned for the last couple of centuries.

Re:One Day... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 2 years ago | (#42733121)

How exactly do you intend to stop it? There's not any real good way.

Re:One Day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733447)

Oh of course, instead the US should go and "nuke those slanty gook leftists" or whatever the scare words of the year are.

FTFY (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733507)

When the US falls and the full extent to which its people have been oppressed is revealed, the entire civilized world will hang its head in shame over how long this abomination has been allowed to exist.

FTFY

A longer version of his story (2)

Renevith (1556657) | about 2 years ago | (#42731785)

I followed the links through to a Guardian review of the book about Shin, only to find "This content has been removed as our copyright has expired." WTF?

Fortunately, the Wayback Machine is a bit more sane and has the full story: http://web.archive.org/web/20120320021739/http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/mar/16/escape-north-korea-prison-camp [archive.org]

Re:A longer version of his story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733375)

I just read his story, good lord, what a hellish existence. I will never complain about my life again.

“By the way,” Shin asked, “where is Pyongyang?”

Shin’s question stunned Park. He explained that Pyongyang, located about 50 miles south of Camp 14, was the capital of North Korea, the city where the country’s powerful people lived. Park said he had grown up there, studying in East Germany and the Soviet Union. After returning home, he had become chief of a taekwondo training centre. Park explained what life was like outside Camp 14. He told Shin about money, television, computers and mobile phones. He explained that the world was round.

Much of what Park talked about was difficult for Shin to understand, believe or care about. What delighted him – what he kept begging for – were stories about eating. Park described chicken, pork and beef in China, Hong Kong, Germany, England and the former Soviet Union. Intoxicated, Shin made perhaps the first free decision of his life. He chose not to snitch.

Park’s stories became an addiction but when he burst into song one night, Shin was alarmed, afraid a foreman might hear.

“Stop at once,” Shin told him.

Shin had never sung a song. His only exposure to music had been on the farm, when trucks with loudspeakers played military marching music. To Shin, singing seemed unnatural and insanely risky.

ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42731809)

Its ironic the timing of this since Schmidt just traveled there.

Re:ironic (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#42731901)

Well, he couldn't very well publicize this before his visit could he. Presumably he wanted to come back some time soon.

Doesn't it bother anyone else that... (2)

m1ss1ontomars2k4 (1302833) | about 2 years ago | (#42732019)

The maps for China don't actually align to the satellite image? The maps are reasonably accurate, but they're off by a few miles or so, it looks like. But then the border lines up with the satellite image, and the maps for North Korea, right across the border, line up perfectly with the satellite image. Is it just me? Am I seeing things?

Here's a portion of the border which demonstrates the problem: http://goo.gl/maps/ObMDJ [goo.gl]

Re:Doesn't it bother anyone else that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733201)

Seems to work fine for me. Please try erasing your web cache and, if the problem persists, send a screenshot and details of the problem to Google.

Re:Doesn't it bother anyone else that... (2)

Qzukk (229616) | about 2 years ago | (#42733477)

I tried it in chrome, and if you click the map/satellite icon to toggle back and forth, the river quite clearly moves back and forth by about the width of the river. Its easier to see the problem if you go west a tiny bit from China's side of the border where there's visible roads and buildings on the satellite image and the map image shows the same roads but farther east. The landmass on the NK side of the line looks more like a sandbar than an island so its probably less defined at high tide (the map version is a lot smaller than the satellite version, especially on the south side of the island.

The country border marking lines up nicely with the canals dug in the satellite map and doesn't move between the two maps (the canals themselves move), so I'm thinking that the "map" version is off.

Not impressed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732053)

I'll be impressed when I can see the prisoners waving at the StreetView truck...

Kimjongilia (2, Informative)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | about 2 years ago | (#42732071)

If you have netflix, I'd recommend Kimjongilia. It covers the stories of defectors, including Shin. Very well done.

Re:Kimjongilia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733391)

Can be found at asiandvdclub.org too.

Re:Kimjongilia (1)

Mean Variance (913229) | about 2 years ago | (#42733529)

I second that. Also on Netflix streaming: Walking the Line about 4 American defectors into NK (with primary focus on one).

Then go to the North Korea travel series, done in 3 parts posted on YouTube by Vice.com (search Vice Guide to North Korea).

Missing a step? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732165)

I feel the summary is missing a step. The fellow escape across the border to China and was granted citizenship in Seoul? Is there a step missing where he transfers to South Korea, or did the author get the destination country wrong?

Re:Missing a step? (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | about 2 years ago | (#42732403)

South Korea accepts North Koreans. I don’t know all of the technically details but both Koreas subscribe that there is only one Korea which is temporarily split due to civil war. Think back to East / West Germany. Similar setup.

They have programs in place to help integrate them into society.- financial assistance, finding any relatives on the other side, cultural and job training, etc.

What no google streetview? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732169)

What no Google street-view? ;)

Even more revolting about North Korean gulags are that they place multiple generations of the same family into the camps and there are even 2nd generation born inmates born in the camps for the "crimes" of their grandparents.

How come so called "activists" such as anonymous or wiki-leaks don't target North Korea?

Re:What no google streetview? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732415)

THe US is also about people paying for the behaviour of their grandparents, except it means generations born in the ghetto instead of in a concentration camp. Long periods of incarceration pending trial and long punishments for putting the wrong plant in your mouth while being poor are standard issue in the States. And, just as in NK, you'll be worked by profiteers, you'll be raped (lol bubba stereotype so funny lol), and you'll be shot if you try to escape.

It's true that you get more freedom of speech in the US. This means the freedom to be an ass to those weaker than you, the freedom to look like an idiot by talking nonsense, and the freedom to be shouted down. It's essentially a freedom to waste your time. All it reveals is that US leaders feel more secure about their power.

NK is awful. But so is the US. The US is nice if you're middle or ruling class, and so is NK. The Juche religion which dominates NK is no more or less stupid than neoconservative religion which dominates the US.

The only advantage of NK is that its regime is likely to end soon, so its citizens will at least feel the hope of freedom and opportunity for a few months before another corrupt Middle East style US-dominated power structure emerges.

Re:What no google streetview? (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | about 2 years ago | (#42732575)

How come so called "activists" such as anonymous or wiki-leaks don't target North Korea?

What do you target? You have a paranoid leadership who cuts off access to the outside world coupled with one of the tightest set of economic sanctions. Cut off from within and without.

IIRC, (posted on Slashdot about 2 years ago?) even their official country level domain hosting was being done in Spain.

More war propaganda (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42732745)

Bash Iran. Bash NK. Bash Muslims. Love Israel. Love zionists. Love the US war machine. Business as usual for Slashdot editors.

The USA locks up more people (as a percentage of population) than any other nation on the planet. The USA boasts that prisoners will suffer sexual abuse, and US TV producers think prison 'rape' is the greatest joke ever. The USA, like Saudi Arabia, executes child criminals (people who commit their offense before their 18th birthday). The USA executes the mentally disabled.

The USA imprisons political prisoners in torture facilities - called SuperMax prisons. The USA uses black sites across the planet as secret prisons. The USA tortures prisoners on a regular basis- foreign and domestic.

Why then do we have yet another story demonising NK?

A few days ago, it was reported that the Jewish State of Israel is CURRENTLY sterilizing legal black immigrants against their will. By the recent standards of Slashdot, this certainly counts as a valid story to promote here. However, the owners of Slashdot will NEVER permit any story that shows the true evil racist nature of the warmongering zionist monsters that rule Israel.

Obama's state department states that the mainstream media within the USA should find every opportunity to attack Iran, Syria, North Korea, and a growing list of African States. Slashdot follows Obama's instruction to the letter. Curiously, most American Tech sites also lean to the pro-war extreme-right political position.

One Thing's For Sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42733511)

I can't wait to invade now...

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