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XBMC 12.0 'Frodo' Released: PVR-Support, HD Audio and More

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the i-will-take-the-codec-to-mordor dept.

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fluor2 writes "Team XBMC have released XBMC 12 'Frodo.' Features for XBMC 12 include: HD audio support (including DTS-MA and Dolby True-HD) via the new XBMC AudioEngine (OS X/iOS not yet available), live TV and PVR support, h.264 10-bit (aka Hi10P), 64-bit support in OS X to match the 64-bit support in Linux, improved image support, support for the Raspberry Pi, initial support for the Android platform, improved AirPlay support across all platforms, improved controller support in Windows and Linux, advanced filtering in the library, video library tags to complement movie sets, advanced UPnP sharing, and more!"

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146 comments

First post? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42733367)

Insert obligatory goatse or GNAA reference here...

Now to fix Android remotes... (2, Interesting)

aybiss (876862) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733387)

..that haven't been working since at least RC2.

This annoys me because the interface is such a f*ck*rse to operate with the mouse.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (5, Informative)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733427)

Yatse. It's far-and-away the nicest xbmc remote for android I've used. I think it's $3. It's absolutely worth it.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42735215)

Yatse is a piece of shit. It doesn't even support Bluetooth, you HAVE to use a LAN to communicate with the computer sitting a couple metres away.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

hamvil (1186283) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735581)

Mod parent down. My raspberry does not have a BT interface. On the other hand my mobile phone is always connected to my home wifi network. The result is that in order to use yatse I had to just plug the RPI to the ethernet and start using the damn thing.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735659)

Mod parent down. My raspberry does not have a BT interface.

How does that invalidate the AC's opinion? I haven't got a 3D TV but I don't go around telling people that their opinions of them are worthless because I haven't got one.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

Zouden (232738) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735679)

The AC's opinion is that Yatse sucks despite it doing exactly what it's advertised to do, ie, controls XBMC over a lan using the HTTP api.

Yatse displays the XBMC media library on your tablet and lets you control playlists, etc. Try doing that with bluetooth.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735945)

Okay, that invalidates the AC's opinion.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

hamvil (1186283) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735683)

How does that invalidate the AC's opinion? I haven't got a 3D TV but I don't go around telling people that their opinions of them are worthless because I haven't got one.

Because it is fair to assume that an XBMC is connected to an home (W)LAN. It is also fair to assume that an android phone running Yatse is also associated to your home WiFi network when you are at home. Using BT would instead require hardware support on the XBMC box, which is not very common for embedded platforms such as the RPI nor for recycled hardware on top of which people may decide to run XBMC. If you want something simple and that does not consume battery just buy an dedicated remote (the one for boxee is plug and play with every xbmc setup i've ever played with).

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

Zouden (232738) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735517)

Seconded. Yatse works great on both my phone and tablet and I prefer using it over my bluetooth mini keyboard.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (2)

guantamanera (751262) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733473)

..that haven't been working since at least RC2.

This annoys me because the interface is such a f*ck*rse to operate with the mouse.

Man, sounds like you're paying for their product I hope you're donating something at least. The remote was fixed long time ago. Just install one of the nightlies apk's from their website [google.com] trying doing some goggling next time

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (0, Flamebait)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733497)

What moron uses a mouse? get a frigging IR remote and call it done.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42733839)

Maybe some people LIKE mouse input. You know, because that's just what they prefer.

Moron.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734225)

But they aren't the people who say " the interface is such a f*ck*rse to operate with the mouse".

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42737465)

What moron uses a mouse?

This moron (mcgrew here, can't log in on this PC). I have a tower PC running kubuntu plugged into my TV set. Ever check your mail using a TV remote? Scroll through an online TV listing with an IR remote? The mouse (which is actually an IR cordless mouse) was designed to work with a computer, and the computer is what I'm watching on my TV, whether I'm watching Big Bang Theory on CBS.com (their local channel doesn't always come in well), Hulu, movies stored on the hard drive, OGGs, KSHE, as well as copy files from one of the 3 PCs on the network to another... why should I spend money on yet another input device when the mouse works well?

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42733509)

An apk of the xbmc remote for android is available to download from the google code page. It works perfectly with the last release candidate. Although I'm using a playbook so I don't know how easy it would be to install it on whatever android device you're using.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

itslifejimbutnotaswe (1173791) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734203)

There are touch based skins that might operate a little better with the mouse - Confluence works, but sure, it's not designed for it. The official Android remote should have an update for Frodo in the play store shortly (it's been submitted afaik). There are other remotes out there and apk's are available elsewhere in the meantime.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734211)

I use Music Pump as my remote for my Raspberry Pi. It's simple, free, and worked out of the box (no settings, just detected the Pi on the network and worked).

How to fix YouTube (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734243)

What annoys me is that every new release breaks a lot of the plugins, so youtube doesn't work. /firefox rant
This is the same as Firefox did it, up until about version 10, Firefox marked every new release as not working, until the developers re-did it for the new version. Then they released quick upgrades so that NOTHING EVER WORKED, nobody could ever use it and plugin developers discontinued work.

e.g. Twonky Beam, was a plug in that could send the media on a page being viewed in Firefox to any DNLA renderer (like your TV, or Xbox, or PS3 or DVR, anything with DNLA support). Twonky had enough and stopped developing it, and now Firefox has no DNLA beamer. /rant

If XBMC keep breaking their plugins the end result will be exactly the same as Firefox, they'll lose a lot of users, and a lot of plugin developers.

Re:How to fix YouTube (1)

itslifejimbutnotaswe (1173791) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734921)

AFAIK the only plugins marked as broken are actually broken. I believe the python API is now generated from C++ code directly rather than being hand coded, so some breakage is possible due to that, however, the vast majority will be broken due to website changes, rather than XBMC-side changes, which have been reasonably static for the last few months (i.e. plenty of time for add-on devs to work with).

There is no marking as broken as a matter of course on version update as far as I can discern. If anything, the add-on would simply not be moved into the new versions repository - i.e. current users won't be affected, but it won't (initially) be available to new users until the author has tested and approved it for the new repository.

Re:How to fix YouTube (1)

bruce_the_loon (856617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735081)

Youtube plugin is working fine in 12.0. The only issue I've experienced with XBMC's break/fix of plugins is that while you are alerted that a plugin as marked broken, there isn't a corresponding alert that it has been fixed.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

zugmeister (1050414) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734337)

I went on Amazon and dropped $15 on a noname IR remote, works beautifully. Are you sure you've given this a proper chance?

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734479)

I find it surprisingly good with a keyboard.
Yes a wireless keyboard, logitech Dinovo edge for me- I find myself browsing in the lounge all the time now too.
Glorious.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

frente69 (1058782) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734999)

They released a new version on the 29th. Seems to work fine for me now.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42735055)

I'd rather they fix the horrible sleep bug. On my HTPC, if I let it go to sleep, no problem, wakes up fine and everything works. If I let it got to sleep while XBMC is running, when it wakes up, the system is slow with high CPU usage even if I kill off XBMC. I thought it might be something else, but no, it ONLY happens if the system sleeps while XBMC is running.

I hope they fixed that.

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42735087)

..that haven't been working since at least RC2.

This annoys me because the interface is such a f*ck*rse to operate with the mouse.

Check Google Play, an updated Remote App popped up this morning

Re:Now to fix Android remotes... (1)

Vince Ferg (972173) | about a year and a half ago | (#42737503)

Just use Yatse. It is updated frequently and worked fine throughout the entire RC releases. It offers a lot more functionality over the official app to. The user interface is also amazing and they are continuing to add big changes and try new things out which the others don't seem to bother with. You can even start xbmc using the remote as well instead of having to have a second app to do that for you. It has a lot more options as well that the official doesn't offer like having a subtitle button or a shuffle and repeat button and others that the official remote does not have. Seriously everyone should try out Yatse and give it a shot.

PVR (1, Informative)

_Ludwig (86077) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733419)

The live TV/PVR "functionality" is still dogshit, apparently shoehorned in at the last minute. I've used it with NPVR and MythTV backends and it doesn't do the most basic things like pause or rewind. Other than that it's lovely.

Re:PVR (2)

7213 (122294) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733457)

Is that a limitation of the PVR API, or the PVR plugin your using?

If it's available within the API, then I'd wager it's coming sooner rather then later, if the plugin is actively maintained.

That's the beauty of implementing the backend client in a plugin, they can be updated far more regularly then XBMC proper.

Re:PVR (5, Informative)

Lars Op den Kamp (2827885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733575)

It's a limitation of the add-on that you're using. Multiple add-ons support these features, and you can find all the information on our wiki: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR [xbmc.org] And as the dev who merged PVR support in and maintained the PVR support in XBMC for the last 3-4 years: no it was not shoehorned in. You just failed to read the documentation that is available and/or you're using a backend or add-on that doesn't support these things.

Re:PVR (4, Informative)

guantamanera (751262) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733503)

The live TV/PVR "functionality" is still dogshit, apparently shoehorned in at the last minute. I've used it with NPVR and MythTV backends and it doesn't do the most basic things like pause or rewind. Other than that it's lovely.

I think you're doing something wrong. I been running frodo in a raspberrypi using mythtv backend, and I can rewind, fast forward, pause and schedule recordings. I even returned the cable boxes to my cable provider, 4 of boxes and now comcast refunds me $3 [comcast.com] per month for not renting their cable box. I could not do any recordings if the backend was tvheadend but it works just fine with mythtv and VDR.

Re:PVR (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733625)

What are you using for tuners?

Re:PVR (1)

guantamanera (751262) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734413)

What are you using for tuners?

I am using 1 HDHomerun Prime [silicondust.com] and a HDHomeRunDUal [silicondust.com] I have the cablecard connected in cardsharing mode. I had to modify of VDR-SC [85.17.209.13] to share the cablecard with both devices, but it works much better than in default mode because all my tuners(5) can decode the channels I subscribe to, and it get rids of the copy once flag and I am able to playback in any device I want.

Re:PVR (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734497)

Just so i have the whole picture. You have a cableCARD fed MythTV box, outputting to Raspberry Pi frontend (with appropriate codec licenses, i assume)?

You are recording the premium HD channels right? not just QAM?

I ask because i have the exact same tuner setups, save i have the older 'dual'. I am using a Win7 DVR right now but would eventually like to switch to a MythTV box and output via R Pi.

Any distro you recommend? I have tried doing Myth on ubuntu and i get stuck in an infinite menu loop in the setup every time i try.

Re:PVR (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | about a year and a half ago | (#42736887)

So do cable cards actually work now? Last time I looked into doing something like this it was 10+ years ago.

Re:PVR (0)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733563)

Legacy support for TV/PVR is probably one of the last things on their mind. Next you'll be complaining about their horrible phonograph support. Stop consuming your media in such and ancient, outdated manner and you'll suddenly find out how great XBMC really is. The vast majority of XBMC users don't even have Cable/Satellite subscriptions anymore. We get all our media via XBMC and/or downloads. Create your own channels and drop your carrier.

Re:PVR (1, Insightful)

TigerTime (626140) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734045)

From where do you stream live Channels like ESPN, NFLHD, FoxSports?....Oh you don't? Well then quit acting like a pretentious prick and STFU.

Re:PVR (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734501)

Actually the XBMCWizard addon that was released in december does give me those options. I dont get "full local" streaming but i do get the 3 you referenced.

Re:PVR (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734511)

sorry, thats XBMCHUB Wizard

Re:PVR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734831)

You don't get ESPN or NFLHD. You get highlights and news. This clearly isn't what he was talking about.

Re:PVR (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735343)

on one of the channels, i dont recall which i do so get those stations streaming, There are NFL channels and espn channels with highlights corrrect, but those are not what i am talking about

Re:PVR (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | about a year and a half ago | (#42736819)

In this instance I took a page from my parents, I go to a sports bar to watch sporting events. I'm good on everything else, free cable addon has just about everything. If there was a netflix plugin I'd be golden, minus the sports thing.

Re:PVR (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42733691)

Works fine for me: I start/pause/rewind/fast forward/schedule my shows using XBMC/MythTV daily.

Re:PVR (1)

watermark (913726) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734013)

I agree that it still needs work (it's hit and miss on my box whether it works or not), but I'd rather have what I have rather than go back to a straight MythTv box. When it works, pausing and rewinding work fine with a MythTv backend.

Bloated, and not copyfree. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42733549)

There is no genuinely free [copyfree.org] media player currently available, but from the options that are available, XBMC seems like a far more bloated option compared to good old mplayer.

Just look at the dependencies for the XBMC port on FreeBSD (`make pretty-print-run-depends-list pretty-print-build-depends-list -C /usr/ports/multimedia/xbmc`, with all `make config` flags disabled):

This port requires package(s) "aalib-1.4.r5_6 atk-2.0.1 avahi-app-0.6.29_3 bitstream-vera-1.10_5 boost-libs-1.48.0_2 ca_root_nss-3.14.1 cairo-1.10.2_5,2 cdparanoia-3.9.8_9 compositeproto-0.4.2 consolekit-0.4.3 curl-7.24.0_1 damageproto-1.2.1 dbus-1.4.14_4 dbus-glib-0.94 dmidecode-2.11 dri2proto-2.6 eggdbus-0.6_1 enca-1.13 encodings-1.0.4,1 expat-2.0.1_2 fixesproto-5.0 flac-1.2.1_3 font-bh-ttf-1.0.3 font-misc-ethiopic-1.0.3 font-misc-meltho-1.0.3 font-util-1.2.0 fontconfig-2.9.0,1 freeglut-2.8.0 freetype2-2.4.11 fribidi-0.19.2_1 gamin-0.1.10_4 gdbm-1.9.1 gdk-pixbuf-2.23.5_3 gettext-0.18.1.1 gio-fam-backend-2.28.8_1 glew-1.9.0 glib-2.28.8_5 gnome_subr-1.0 gobject-introspection-0.10.8_3 gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.6_1 hal-0.5.14_20 hicolor-icon-theme-0.12 icu-50.1.1 inputproto-2.0.2 jasper-1.900.1_10 jbigkit-1.6 jpeg-8_4 kbproto-1.0.5 lame-3.99.5 lcms-1.19_1,1 libGL-7.6.1_2 libGLU-7.6.1_1 libICE-1.0.7,1 libSM-1.2.0,1 libX11-1.4.4,1 libXau-1.0.6 libXcomposite-0.4.3,1 libXcursor-1.1.12 libXdamage-1.1.3 libXdmcp-1.1.0 libXext-1.3.0_1,1 libXfixes-5.0 libXft-2.1.14 libXi-1.4.5,1 libXinerama-1.1.1,1 libXmu-1.1.0,1 libXp-1.0.1,1 libXrandr-1.3.2 libXrender-0.9.6 libXt-1.1.1,1 libXtst-1.2.0 libXxf86dga-1.1.2 libXxf86vm-1.1.1 libaacs-0.3.0 libass-0.10.1 libbluray-0.2.2,1 libcddb-1.3.2_1 libcdio-0.83_1 libdaemon-0.14 libdrm-2.4.17_1 libexecinfo-1.1_3 libffi-3.0.11 libfontenc-1.1.0 libgcrypt-1.5.0_1 libgpg-error-1.10 libiconv-1.14 libltdl-2.4.2 libmad-0.15.1b_2 libmicrohttpd-0.9.23 libmodplug-0.8.8.4 libmpeg2-0.5.1_1 libogg-1.3.0,4 libpciaccess-0.12.1 libplist-1.8 libpthread-stubs-0.3_3 libsamplerate-0.1.8_3 libsndfile-1.0.25_2 libssh-0.5.2 libvolume_id-0.81.1 libvorbis-1.3.3_1,3 libxcb-1.7 libxml2-2.7.8_5 lzo2-2.06 mesa-demos-7.6.1_1 mkfontdir-1.0.6 mkfontscale-1.0.9 mysql-client-5.5.29 ncurses-5.9_1 p5-Unicode-Map8-0.13 p5-Unicode-String-2.09 pango-1.28.4_1 pciids-20121208 pcre-8.32 perl-5.14.2_2 pixman-0.24.2 pkgconf-0.8.9 png-1.5.14 policykit-0.9_6 polkit-0.99 popt-1.16 printproto-1.0.5 py27-imaging-1.1.7_1 py27-sqlite3-2.7.3_2 py27-tkinter-2.7.3_3 python27-2.7.3_6 randrproto-1.3.2 recode-3.6_8 recordproto-1.14.1 renderproto-0.11.1 rtmpdump-2.4_1 samba34-libsmbclient-3.4.17 sdl-1.2.15_2,2 sdl_image-1.2.12_1 shared-mime-info-1.0_2 sqlite3-3.7.14.1 taglib-1.8 talloc-2.0.7 tcl-8.5.13 tcl-modules-8.5.13 tiff-4.0.3 tinyxml-2.6.2_1 tk-8.5.13 xcb-util-0.3.9_1,1 xcb-util-renderutil-0.3.8 xdpyinfo-1.3.0 xextproto-7.2.0 xf86dgaproto-2.1 xf86vidmodeproto-2.3.1 xineramaproto-1.2.1 xorg-fonts-truetype-7.5.1 xproto-7.0.22 yajl-2.0.4_1" to run.

This port requires package(s) "aalib-1.4.r5_6 atk-2.0.1 autoconf-2.69 autoconf-wrapper-20101119 automake-1.12.6 automake-wrapper-20101119 avahi-app-0.6.29_3 bitstream-vera-1.10_5 boost-libs-1.48.0_2 ca_root_nss-3.14.1 cairo-1.10.2_5,2 cdparanoia-3.9.8_9 cmake-2.8.9 cmake-modules-2.8.9 compositeproto-0.4.2 consolekit-0.4.3 cups-client-1.5.4 curl-7.24.0_1 damageproto-1.2.1 dbus-1.4.14_4 dbus-glib-0.94 dejavu-2.33 dmidecode-2.11 dri2proto-2.6 eggdbus-0.6_1 enca-1.13 encodings-1.0.4,1 expat-2.0.1_2 fixesproto-5.0 flac-1.2.1_3 font-bh-ttf-1.0.3 font-misc-ethiopic-1.0.3 font-misc-meltho-1.0.3 font-util-1.2.0 fontconfig-2.9.0,1 freetype2-2.4.11 fribidi-0.19.2_1 gamin-0.1.10_4 gawk-4.0.2 gdbm-1.9.1 gdk-pixbuf-2.23.5_3 gettext-0.18.1.1 gio-fam-backend-2.28.8_1 glew-1.9.0 glib-2.28.8_5 gmake-3.82_1 gnome_subr-1.0 gobject-introspection-0.10.8_3 gperf-3.0.3 gtk-2.24.6_2 gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.6_1 hal-0.5.14_20 hicolor-icon-theme-0.12 icu-50.1.1 inputproto-2.0.2 jasper-1.900.1_10 java-zoneinfo-2012.j javavmwrapper-2.4_3 jbigkit-1.6 jpeg-8_4 kbproto-1.0.5 lame-3.99.5 libGL-7.6.1_2 libGLU-7.6.1_1 libICE-1.0.7,1 libSM-1.2.0,1 libX11-1.4.4,1 libXau-1.0.6 libXaw-1.0.9,2 libXcomposite-0.4.3,1 libXcursor-1.1.12 libXdamage-1.1.3 libXdmcp-1.1.0 libXext-1.3.0_1,1 libXfixes-5.0 libXft-2.1.14 libXi-1.4.5,1 libXinerama-1.1.1,1 libXmu-1.1.0,1 libXp-1.0.1,1 libXpm-3.5.9 libXrandr-1.3.2 libXrender-0.9.6 libXt-1.1.1,1 libXtst-1.2.0 libXxf86vm-1.1.1 libaacs-0.3.0 libass-0.10.1 libbluray-0.2.2,1 libcddb-1.3.2_1 libcdio-0.83_1 libdaemon-0.14 libdrm-2.4.17_1 libdvdcss-1.2.12 libdvdread-4.2.0_2 libexecinfo-1.1_3 libffi-3.0.11 libfontenc-1.1.0 libgcrypt-1.5.0_1 libgpg-error-1.10 libiconv-1.14 libltdl-2.4.2 libmad-0.15.1b_2 libmicrohttpd-0.9.23 libmodplug-0.8.8.4 libmpeg2-0.5.1_1 libogg-1.3.0,4 libpciaccess-0.12.1 libplist-1.8 libpthread-stubs-0.3_3 libsamplerate-0.1.8_3 libsigsegv-2.10 libsndfile-1.0.25_2 libssh-0.5.2 libtool-2.4.2 libvolume_id-0.81.1 libvorbis-1.3.3_1,3 libxcb-1.7 libxml2-2.7.8_5 lzo2-2.06 m4-1.4.16_1,1 mkfontdir-1.0.6 mkfontscale-1.0.9 mysql-client-5.5.29 nasm-2.10.03,1 ncurses-5.9_1 open-motif-2.3.4 openjdk6-b27 p5-Unicode-Map8-0.13 p5-Unicode-String-2.09 pango-1.28.4_1 pciids-20121208 pcre-8.32 perl-5.14.2_2 pixman-0.24.2 pkgconf-0.8.9 png-1.5.14 policykit-0.9_6 polkit-0.99 popt-1.16 printproto-1.0.5 python27-2.7.3_6 randrproto-1.3.2 recode-3.6_8 recordproto-1.14.1 renderproto-0.11.1 rtmpdump-2.4_1 samba34-libsmbclient-3.4.17 sdl-1.2.15_2,2 sdl_image-1.2.12_1 shared-mime-info-1.0_2 sqlite3-3.7.14.1 swig-2.0.8_1 taglib-1.8 talloc-2.0.7 tiff-4.0.3 tinyxml-2.6.2_1 unzip-6.0_1 xbitmaps-1.1.1 xcb-util-0.3.9_1,1 xcb-util-renderutil-0.3.8 xextproto-7.2.0 xf86vidmodeproto-2.3.1 xineramaproto-1.2.1 xorg-fonts-truetype-7.5.1 xproto-7.0.22 yajl-2.0.4_1 zip-3.0" to build.

Wow...

--libman

Re:Bloated, and not copyfree. (2)

itslifejimbutnotaswe (1173791) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734169)

Are you selling axes? Do they come in other shapes than the one you're grinding now?

He made a valid point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734641)

You made a soundbite, he made a valid point.

I don't have a favorable view of XBMC, most of the plugins didn't work, some were marked as working and gave mysterious errors. It was pretty, but shallow, barely a front end to a lot of plugins that didn't work.

Idiot troll... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734467)

Wow indeed, you hate the GPL yet you bother to come on slashdot?

Are you retarded or something? If you're going to troll, you can do way better than this!

You're comparing a role suit to a clr video player (1)

raymorris (2726007) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734591)

Xmbc is lime Windows Media Cenyer Edition + Roku + a few other things. Comparing it to a command line player is just silly. That's like comparing a $2 million luxury RV to a bicycle.

mplayer is great. I use mplayer DAILY. It's in no way similar to XMBC though.

Re:Bloated, and not copyfree. (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734693)

So what?

Re:Bloated, and not copyfree. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42735255)

Good luck on running mplayer with a remote control. XBMC is meant for media center usage, not jerking off to porn at the desktop.

hi10p multithreading (2)

AdamWill (604569) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733555)

If you're forced to watch a lot of hi10p stuff (thanks, bandwagon-jumping fansub groups!) you may want to grab this patch:

https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/pull/2064 [github.com]

it enables multithreaded decoding of hi10p content (and *only* hi10p, it won't enable multithreading for anything else, where it could potentially be buggy). Since there's nothing at all capable of hardware decoding hi10p at present, this is a huge boon for those of us trying to watch HD hi10p files on little media server boxes. It takes typical hi10p files from 'visibly jerky' to 'nearly perfect' on my zotac box. OpenELEC 3.0 rc2 has this patch built in, as it comes from an openelec dev; other XBMC users might want to add it to their setups.

Re:hi10p multithreading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42735833)

The evil fansub groups, holding a gun to your head and forcing you to watch content you were not supposed to watch!
How do they sleep at night?

Re:hi10p multithreading (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42737069)

If you're forced to watch a lot of hi10p stuff (thanks, bandwagon-jumping fansub groups!) you may want to grab this patch:

https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/pull/2064 [github.com]

Bandwagon? This transition has been going on for over a year now. It's not like the beginning when it was Commie and gg and nobody else.
You can always watch HorribleSubs, they're still 8-bit. Deadfish does 8-bit and hardsubbed MP4's and I'm pretty sure he uses the major groups' scripts.

But does it see your tuner cards. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42733781)

I always have to wonder.
Some other drivers for these cards besides windows would be a god send.

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Just be careful (2)

Daetrin (576516) | about a year and a half ago | (#42733997)

Even if it does run on Android, try not to get your Frodo mixed up with your Froyo. That never ends well.

...

Okay, unless you like short hairy people covered in yogurt. I guess i shouldn't judge.

TV (1)

Ark42 (522144) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734085)

Does this somehow get my MKV files on my computer to play on my TV? Lots of features, but lots of confusion as to what XMBC actually does, if you've never touched it before.

Re:TV (1)

DeadS0ul (784783) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734129)

You should look into Serviio or Plex for that. I recommend Serviio more, and Plex if you have a samsung TV smart TV, or a Roku.

Re:TV (1)

rueger (210566) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734247)

FWIW Servio and Plex couldn't seem to work with my Sony, but Wild Media Server [wildmediaserver.com] did right out of the box.

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Re:TV (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42736831)

Did you try PS3MediaServer?

Re:TV (1)

itslifejimbutnotaswe (1173791) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734185)

Is your computer plugged into your TV? If so, then ofcourse. If not, does your computer support UPnP, and does it support the types of files on your computer? If so, then ofcourse (subject to the TV having a half decent UPnP client). To fully apprecieate XBMC, you want the former, not the latter.

Re:TV (1)

Ark42 (522144) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734419)

No, my TV is 200' away and up a floor. There is an Xbox360, and Samsung Blu-ray player. It seems like the TV supports crappy DLNA, which doesn't work with MKV, and the Xbox is useless for anything as long as I'm not going to pay for Gold. The Blu-ray player has 4 built-in features: Youtube, Blockbuster, Netflix, Pandora.

Re:TV (1)

itslifejimbutnotaswe (1173791) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734445)

Considered purchasing a cheap Android box? There's a bunch of them now that work nicely with XBMC for under $100. I'm sure you can get some info on xbmc.org as to which ones work well and which ones are best avoided. Alternatives are getting a UPnP server that will transcode - XBMC won't do that, but there's many other apps out there that will. Ofcourse, there may be other deficiencies with your TVs UPnP client to concern yourself with - thus the suggestion of a cheap client.

Re:TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734587)

Or look at the Rokus - I just got the XS one, and it streams from my pc using Plex very nicely; when I bought it I thought I'd have to copy all my movies to another usb drive for it, but once I started playing around & found Plex I went for that. I even dropped the $5 to get the iOS client so now my wife can watch anything she wants on her ipad without me having to convert to m4v.

Re:TV (1)

silas_moeckel (234313) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734805)

If it supports DLNA just setup a converter there are many to choose from that can cross convert in real time.

Re:TV (1)

voxner (1217902) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735869)

Matroska format is not supported in some TVs. For my bravia i convert mkv to mpeg4 format. Unless you want to encode subtitles it could just be a copy of the video codec in the mpeg4 container. ffmpeg is your friend.

Why do I care about Hi10p? (1)

franciscohs (1003004) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734285)

Can someone explain why should we care about this profile?

From what I see there is no hardware decoding for it yet, so it doesn't seem like something I'd use for the moment. Is there anything that hi10p provides that the previous profile couldn't achieve with a slightly larger file size?

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734401)

Anime fansub groups have started using it to cut down on banding. Since cartoons often have gradual color transitions, the repeated encode process (broadcast MPEG-2 -> Capture H.264 -> Reencode H.264 with subs baked on) introduces banding on those transitions that Hi10P at least somewhat mitigates. Basically it's a way to reduce the errors introduced in encoding further generations.

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734955)

Uhm, that's what the fast HUFFYUV codec is for. Lossless, fast video codec. Sure, the filesize will be out of control on the capture, but it *WONT* introduce more block artifacts. It's freaking part of FDDShow's plugin pack for goodness sake! It can capture RGB formats just fine.

Just have a decent capture rig, and off you go.

I can capture a live source in huffyuv just fine without frame drops, and get a high quality input stream for an h264 encode run. Because it's a lossless format, you can bake your subs on without introducing artifacts of doom. Only ONE h264 pass needed, for final release.

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42735363)

Those in Japan who capture the content are the same as those who encode the fansubbed video for the western world? I don't think you have a grasp on the fansubbing community. The unsubtitled H.264 release isn't made by or for the fansub group, it's made for anyone primarily for direct consumption.

Even if there was someone releasing HUFFYUV encodes that the group could use, transmitting one 720p HUFFYUV video per show week over consumer broadband connections? Good luck with that. God help if the encoder does more than one show.

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42737361)

Those in Japan who capture the content are the same as those who encode the fansubbed video for the western world?

He didn't say that. The capture is used by fansubbers, they do their own final encode.

I don't think you have a grasp on the fansubbing community. The unsubtitled H.264 release isn't made by or for the fansub group, it's made for anyone primarily for direct consumption.

It's well known that many groups (gg being the first that comes to mind) have their own cappers often and they sometimes have exclusivity deals with the cappers, too.

Even if there was someone releasing HUFFYUV encodes that the group could use, transmitting one 720p HUFFYUV video per show week over consumer broadband connections? Good luck with that. God help if the encoder does more than one show.

If there's anyone who doesn't have a good grasp it seems to be you. Go look at the major anime bluray encoders (THORAnime, Coalgirls, Kira-Fansubs, Afternoon Naps Empire). They sometimes purchase/have access to actual JDM blu-ray discs, but sometimes they're having to download their source as BDMVs -- that's downloading a bluray disc over their Internet connections.

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42735861)

>broadcast MPEG-2 -> Capture H.264 -> Reencode H.264 with subs baked on

What is this, 2002?
Nobody does that anymore.

This is what really happens, for any encoder worth their salt, anyway:
Broadcast MPEG-2 -> H.264 encode (deinterlacing, filtering, etc... if necessary) -> Mux video+audio+subs into MKV

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42737169)

Anime fansub groups have started using it to cut down on banding. Since cartoons often have gradual color transitions, the repeated encode process (broadcast MPEG-2 -> Capture H.264 -> Reencode H.264 with subs baked on) introduces banding on those transitions that Hi10P at least somewhat mitigates.

That intermediary h264 step doesn't exist any more (the "raw"). I suspect it's primary function was to simply create a more efficiently encoded version of the broadcast for distribution on the Internet. But with faster Internet connections more common now and quality of greater importance than file size now they aren't used if they can't be avoided. In fact, if you were encoding from a raw, you wouldn't use Hi10P because it would be worthless since the raw was generally 8-bit.

The better groups have their own dedicated capper in Japan or access to a shared MPEG2 transport stream. They might do a quick "work raw" or internal usage but the actual final encode would be done straight from the source transport stream to the final encode after filtering.

But you're right as to the general reason for Hi10P, greater quality and less banding/blocking (especially in darker scene) and smaller file sizes. The processing requirements are higher, but not much higher (for software-based decoding) and today's machines are so overpowered for most consumer uses in general it's not that big of an issue.

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42737193)

Whoops. Replied to the wrong post.

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42737225)

Oh, no I didn't. Dammit. I'd really like Slashdot to get their page threading display fixed.

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734431)

>Can someone explain why should we care about this profile?

In really basic terms, in Hi10p more data is used to define color which means there is less banding for a smaller file size. It's an H.264 profile which uses 10 bits of information to represent color. It's a huge improvement because there is less file size, which in the long run saves bandwidth.

Advantages
        Significantly higher compression ratios resulting in decreased file sizes.
        Far more information is preserved from the original, removing such issues as banding and poor detail in dark scenes.

Disadvantages
        Slower decoding and encoding.
        No support for DXVA or CUDA as of writing.
        Slight compatibility issues with older devices during playback.

If you want to play it, http://haruhichan.com/forum/showthread.php?7545-KCP-Kawaii-Codec-Pack/page23 [haruhichan.com] the Kawaii Codec Pack is probably your best bet.

Re:Why do I care about Hi10p? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | about a year and a half ago | (#42736741)

So Hi10p is better with dark scenes even if the 8bit (wasn't it) is an equivalent larger file size? If that's true looks like it is good to have then, because the reduced file sizes really isn't a good argument.

obvious joke... (1)

musikit (716987) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734373)

has anyone watched frodo (hobbit) using frodo(XMBC) on frodo(Android)?

Re:obvious joke... (1)

c0d3g33k (102699) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734623)

Doesn't quite work, but nice try.

The android version you're alluding to is called "froyo", not "frodo".

Perhaps you were trying to (weakly) pun-ish us?

Re:obvious joke... (1)

LiENUS (207736) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734919)

You mean froyo android? afaik there was no frodo release of android.

If only it wasn't tarnished... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42734735)

...by pulseaudio, which doesn't work on any known distro. Every time I've tried to show people an awesome XBMC setup or just sit down and watch/listen to something pulseaudio never fails to randomly mute the sound or break completely. Most distros don't even install the right tools along with pulseaudio to control it and the only real fix I've ever come across is to remove it completely just so that a media player actually works like one.

Re:If only it wasn't tarnished... (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about a year and a half ago | (#42736447)

Pulseaudio works fine on Fedora.

What you should have said was the pulse doesn't work on YOUR hardware for YOU.

XBMC as a service? (1)

MindPhlux (304416) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734911)

I really really wish they'd add some sort of functionality to separate the media server/player portion of XBMC from the front end, and allow you to run it as a service. I have a HTPC hooked up to my surround sound system, and I absolutely love the android XBMC app. It lets you browse the entire media library and queue up stuff, and even has album art and everything.

The only problem is, I have to turn on my TV, log in to my HTPC, start XBMC (or go to task manager, kill the process, then relaunch if XBMC has hung up like it seems to do 30% of the time), and then go to my ipad/android device to queue up music. I really don't even care about the PC interface, since as someone put it earlier, 'the interface is a f*ck*rse to use with a mouse'. Well, I mean I have an IR remote and everything, but the interface is still less than fun to putz around in from the couch.

The apps on a touchscreen though are stellar. if only I could run XBMC as a service and cut out 3-5 minutes of bullshit every time I want to play some tunes!

Re:XBMC as a service? (1)

aXis100 (690904) | about a year and a half ago | (#42734983)

Are you using the windows version?

I've used the XBMC Live and OpenElec distros and they run all day every day for months on end without ever locking up. It would be trivial to have a headless box running them and never have to touch it.

Re:XBMC as a service? (1)

MindPhlux (304416) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735105)

Yes, unfortunately. I'd like to continue using windows as well, as I do other things with the HTPC box, like gaming, microsoft outlook, etc. I'd certainly believe the linux versions are more stable, but can't bring myself to spend money and time to set up another box for a dedicated XBMC server when I was planning on doing just that with my windows HTPC...

Re:XBMC as a service? (2)

aXis100 (690904) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735151)

Try OpenELEC then, it's an XBMC distro that runs perfectly well off a USB thumbdrive, and takes all of 15 minutes to install. It would at least make dual booting a snap.

Personally I use a relatively cheap, low power Zotac ZBOX to run XBMC (OpenELEC) permanently, and keep the noisy, power hungry 3D gaming machine turned off 99% of the time. Just the power savings alone would pay off the Zotac box in a few years.

Re:XBMC as a service? (1)

dropadrop (1057046) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735271)

Try OpenELEC then, it's an XBMC distro that runs perfectly well off a USB thumbdrive, and takes all of 15 minutes to install. It would at least make dual booting a snap.

Personally I use a relatively cheap, low power Zotac ZBOX to run XBMC (OpenELEC) permanently, and keep the noisy, power hungry 3D gaming machine turned off 99% of the time. Just the power savings alone would pay off the Zotac box in a few years.

Another vote for OpenELEC. I used to run XBMC on a small Asus box, but after having a bucket of water fall on it replaced it with a passively cooled Shuttle running OpenELEC. Install was a breeze, small footprint. Unlike XBMC it was almost fully functional from the first boot (note, hardware changed too which might have affected this). It made a samba share with config files, changing audio configuration was as simple as dragging a ready configuration file from one folder in the samba share to another and rebooting.

Basically it's of course the same thing, both are XBMC. OpenELEC just is the whole distro aimed at having a dedicated as light as possible linux installation dedicated to XBMC. It removes a majority of all configuration, boots really fast and just works.

Been using XBMC.. (1)

soupbowl (1849394) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735383)

for 4 years, 5 days a week and only problems I ever had with it were due to arch linux. Switched to xbmcbuntu and been loving it.

A quick thanks to Pulse-Eight (1)

rklrkl (554527) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735889)

It always perplexed me why the standard XBMC release has taken 12 major versions spread over a decade before the media centre software included any support for TV viewing/recording at all. From what I can see, pretty well every other media centre software supports that, so to miss it out for so long made it hard to recommend XBMC to people who wanted a single setup for all their media needs.

Yes, I know the Live TV/PVR functionality was available as an extra install prior to XBMC 12 and I must give a shout out to Pulse-Eight [pulse-eight.net] here, who nicely packaged up XBMC with the Live TV/PVR stuff included for pre-12 versions, though of course I guess they won't be needed for version 12 onwards now.

However, the fact that you had to go outside of xbmc.org for what many might think should be core functionality probably meant that not a lot of people have considered XBMC as a replacement for their DVR until this version 12 release. Personally, I use tvheadend for my backend which is turning out to be quite a slick Web interface (though I wish it had guided wizards to make the setup flow more obvious). I still think Web interfaces are the way to go for initial setup and EPG use - it allows you to use any Net-connected device to manage your PVR setup.

Re:A quick thanks to Pulse-Eight (1)

Lars Op den Kamp (2827885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42736325)

You're welcome :-) These were pre-releases of Eden (11.0) and Dharma (10.0), that I originally hosted on my personal website and Launchpad while I was working on the PVR feature (see https://github.com/opdenkamp/xbmc [github.com] ). When I started working for Pulse-Eight, I took the builds with me and hosted them on Pulse-Eight's servers, where I continued to work on the PVR feature and HDMI-CEC support. I've backported all these things into mainline XBMC now, and they are included in the Frodo release. The builds on http://packages.pulse-eight.net/ [pulse-eight.net] will be updated with Frodo builds shortly. The reason why you didn't find any builds on xbmc.org was that the feature was still under development. Pulse-Eight was created by a Team XBMC member, and there are currently 3 team members working for Pulse-Eight (including myself).

Re:A quick thanks to Pulse-Eight (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#42737183)

I've always viewed XBMC as an alternative to live TV. If i have XBMC and an internet connection, I don't need live TV at all. The PVR functionality will go completely unused here.

Re:A quick thanks to Pulse-Eight (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year and a half ago | (#42737383)

It is because PVR is a low priority. It is a low priority because there are relatively few places where you can actually record live TV, owing to the fact that cable companies rarely transmit even OTA stations in unencrypted format that can be decoded by a typical PC-based capture card.

Why is it called Frodo? (0)

MartinSchou (1360093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42735969)

Why is it called Frodo? Has XBMC had it's red ring destroyed?

Re:Why is it called Frodo? (1)

Lars Op den Kamp (2827885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42736327)

Frodo was the nickname of one of the developers who started XBMC.

I hope they fixed it (1)

NynexNinja (379583) | about a year and a half ago | (#42736547)

When I tried XBMC about a year ago, there were numerous problems. There was problems with the packages not working with the most recent version of Ubuntu. After the install, there was random seg faults throughout the UI, involving everything from playing video to navigating the UI to indexing video files. There was also the huge issue of it not recognizing more than 75% of my library, and then the 25% of the library that it did "recognize", it mislabeled about 75% of that as well. So then there is the issue of the content that it did correctly identify (about 10% of my library) alot of that content would not render using their playing tool. After about a day of playing with it, I uninstalled it. I tried another solution called "Boxee" and found the same class of problems exist with it too.

I will say that in the span of two days I wrote an indexer to scan my 20TB library, put the files into a mysql database, and then wrote a front end for it (all in PHP), which then I can use to one-click pop mplayer fullscreen (in -slave mode), and it also does the same with Youtube videos (using Chrome with fullscreen options, and youtube-dl to queue / download the video files and add them to my library). It has a lot of other features, but I will say that is a lot faster to find my actual content, and does not attempt to mislabel anything, and in the end I have a pretty scalable solution.

Cable Cards (1)

chemdream78 (2695323) | about a year and a half ago | (#42736951)

Just another reason I wish cable cards were more widely used. XBMC, MythTV, UbuntuTV and handful of other programs support live TV and cable cards that have a much better interface than the cable boxes given out by cable providers.
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