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RIM Unveils BlackBerry 10, Its Big Turnaround Hope

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the remember-me dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "Research In Motion has whipped the curtain back from BlackBerry 10. The revamped operating system is widely perceived as RIM's best chance at staying relevant in a smartphone market dominated by Google Android and Apple's iOS. Once a significant player in mobility, RIM watched its earnings and market-share crumble over the past few years. BlackBerry 10 abandons the longtime BlackBerry user interface, centered on grids of icons, in favor of one built on the same QNX technology that powers RIM's PlayBook tablet. The BlackBerry 10 home-screen offers 'live tiles' that dynamically refresh with updated information, and RIM is playing up how users can move between apps and alerts by swiping and flicking the screen. Other features include BlackBerry Balance, which divides the 'personal' and 'corporate' sides of the phone, as well as an updated BlackBerry Messenger. More details in the article." RIM also announced they are rebranding themselves as BlackBerry. If you like pictures, omfglearntoplay sent in an article that delivers. Gimmicks of the launch include hiring Alicia Keys as their "Global Creative Director."

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267 comments

No more jokes (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42738921)

Baaah, the end to all "RIM-shot" jokes..

Re:No more jokes (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42738937)

Not only that, but it means us developers will no longer be getting RIM-jobs ... at least not the kind that pay us.

("X" post anonymously!)

Re:No more jokes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739159)

Oh - C'mon you mods with no sense of humour. At many Canadian universities, RIM has been doing recruitment seminars for years and getting "rim jobs" is a very long-standing joke at these institutions.

Lighten up!

Re:No more jokes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739461)

For people who don't get the reference, a "rimjob" is a "slang" term for anilingus or mouth-to-ass. The asshole has a lot of nerve endings and is an erogenous zone. It feels fantastic. If you're worried about it being gross, just clean your (partner's) asshole out (stick a soapy finger up there!) or use some dental dam.

Re:No more jokes (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739825)

Now you can have b-jobs.

Yawn... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42738923)

RIM (or now just Blackberry) doesn't' advocate or use free software, and doesn't blacklist proprietary software from it's platform. Therefore, the entire platform is worthless.

Re:Yawn... (0)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739071)

Masterful trolling sir!

Re:Yawn... (0)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739173)

Blackberry might have been able to resume their place of leadership in the business market if they hadn't waited so long to try to come back that most corporations favor a bring-your-own-device model now.

They're about 2 years too late.

Re:Yawn... (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739577)

They might just do that with the "Balance" feature if they already have a BES in the corporation. If you didn;t know, it allows 2 user environments on the device, home and work. The work is controlled by the corp (apps and data), all work data is encrypted and you can't copy it to the home user. i think it creates more security for a corp that Andriod or iOS could even wish for.

Very nice.. (0)

3.5 stripes (578410) | about a year and a half ago | (#42738939)

Maybe they'll sell a few before ending up bought up by another phone manufacturer..

Re:Very nice.. (5, Interesting)

Alomex (148003) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739041)

I've never been a BB fan (never owned one) but I was given an iPhone and a BB10 beta to play with. The BB10 feels way better, and I mean waaaay better. With the iPhone it feels like you spend most of the time clicking on the menu button moving to another app. On the BB10 you swipe left or up and as if by magic all your other app(s) are there, still running.

Re:Very nice.. (1)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739089)

Compared to which iPhone? I'm in the market for a new phone. Thinking Android, MS or BB. Not sure yet.

Re:Very nice.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739739)

iPhone 5.

Re:Very nice.. (-1)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739131)

At least with the iPhone you have apps that are worth using. The apps for BB are going to be so far behind Apple and Android.

Re:Very nice.. (2)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739203)

To be fair, any decent app is going to be available to both iOS and Android, and probably Blackberry eventually.

There's a large amount of garbage in both app stores, certainly there are more trash apps on Android, but there are plenty on both.

Oh really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739339)

Name me one Android or BB camera equivalent (native or 3rd party) to 645 Pro or PureShot for iOS. Not one.

What these two apps do is provide raw, uncompressed TIFF images. No JPEG compression (unless you actually want it), and even then you can get the highest quality JPEG. My pics now are only limited to my skill.

What about Filmic Pro? Can I get anything like that on Android or BB?

Re:Oh really? (5, Informative)

Unknown1337 (2697703) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739545)

The camera on a smartphone has evolved to having near quality of a professional camera. That said it is NOT a professional camera. When I take a picture with my phone I want it to capture the moment decently and for the size of a dime they go far beyond what anyone realistically needs. If I wanted amazing quality photos I would use a camera with proper optical zoom, etc. Basing a smart phone on 1 feature of which should not be primary is hardly advisable. That would be like not buying the perfect car because the horn sound isn't a perfect pitch. Sure you use it and some days more than others, but it is not core functionality and should be weighted as such.

Re:Oh really? (4, Informative)

eek_the_kat (249620) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739953)

Resolution doesn't make up for the small lenses in any small camera. Ask any photographer. More Glass = Better Picture. It gives you better aperture and more light. No chips can make up for the lack of light in uber small lenses, point&shoots included. Therefore no smartphone will ever have the quality of a pro camera. Resolution sure, but those pixels will be garbage.

Re:Oh really? (2)

Bigby (659157) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739735)

Who is using their camera on the phone to do such high quality photos? The lens on phone cameras alone make uncompressed images worthless.

Re:Very nice.. (1)

Farmer Pete (1350093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739555)

You're correct that most decent apps will be available, but there will always be exceptions. There will always be some #!$( developers who refuse to program for more than one platform. I'm still discussed by some of the apps that haven't come over from iPhone to Android. I guess the iPhone developers don't want to double their market.

Re:Very nice.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739827)

Android users in general have proven again and again that they don't like to buy apps. Some apps simply can't be monetized properly via ad supported mechanisms so those developers choose to focus on platforms where the user base will pull out the wallet to purchase their offering.

Re:Very nice.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739837)

I think you meant "disgusted." If I'm correct, don't be disgusted, make some money creating Android clones of these IOS apps that the developers have neglected. They're leaving a lot of money on the table, and it's up to you to pick it up.

Re:Very nice.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739861)

"double their market" and quadruple their support costs, while incurring very little increase in profits.

Yeah, sign me up for that.

Re:Very nice.. (1)

c_sd_m (995261) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739929)

Making an app available on Android generally doesn't double the revenue they were making on iOS. There have been a number of iPhone apps that have ported to Android and found that their support costs go up but they don't make nearly as much revenue. There are certainly exceptions but they tend to be big apps that can get a lots of views of ads, like Angry Birds.

Porting from iOS to Android is far from trivial. Plus Android users will post bad reviews for apps that look too much like iOS. So you have to redo half of the graphics and some of the UX unless it's a game. At that point, it takes nearly as much work to do the Android "port" as the original version.

I don't have the time to keep up with 2 platforms in depth and, personally, I just don't like Java or the tools. It'd take something far more compelling that lots of eyeballs (without lots of dollars) to make the effort for Android.

Re:Very nice.. (2)

nuggz (69912) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739627)

I had a blackberry before my Galaxy S2.
It did everything I needed just fine, I moved on to get the larger screen and a better web browser, not because of any shortage of apps.

As far as demanding uncompressed images from a cell phone camera, that's laughable. The camera quality, while improving is so bad that there really is little benefit to RAW. If you want RAW, get a real camera.

Re:Very nice.. (2)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739207)

What, because it won't have a level application that doesn't work? Who gives a damn. How many apps do you need anyway??

iPhone is overated. This coming from the owner of an iPhone. The only reason I purchased an iPhone is that there was no good carrier support for Android, BB didn't appeal to me and MS didn't know what they were doing yet.

Re:Very nice.. (5, Informative)

empties (2827183) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739715)

"The BlackBerry Runtime for Android Apps supports Android 2.3.3 applications" and this should speed-up the number of available apps for BB. Android 2.3.3 features that aren't supported are listed here [blackberry.com] .

Re:Very nice.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739141)

You should try that on the iPhone ... it does the same thing (at least, with iOS6). But, it's a multi-touch feature, you have to use more than one finger ... multi-finger swipe left-or-right moves to your other open apps, multi-finger swipe up brings up the display of all running apps.

Re:Very nice.. (2)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739425)

The funny thing is, Apple actually implemented multitouch app switching way back in iOS 4.3, but they haven't enabled it on the iPhone—presumably because smartphone screens are a bit small for their 3+ finger gestures.

You can use Activator (available on Cydia) to enable it, though you'll have to wait for the new jailbreak coming out in a few days. Speaking of jailbreaking, if you like BB10's app previews you could give Auxo or other app switcher replacements/enhancements a try as well.

Re:Very nice.. (3, Informative)

Scutter (18425) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739543)

I haven't played with a BB10, but this is exactly how Palm WebOS behaves and it is, indeed, fantastic. Fat lot of good it did them when few developers would write apps for the platform.

Yawn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42738943)

Saw it - falling asleep looking at the Rim...err Blackberry and wonder - so whats new?

Re:Yawn (1)

Megane (129182) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739063)

What's new? The number! You see, most blokes will still be using 9. You’re on 9, all the way up, all the way up...Where can you go from there? Nowhere. What we do, is if we need that extra push over the cliff...Ten. One louder.

Re:Yawn (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739217)

I thought I heard the presenter telling people not to even look at the new Blackberry about which he was speaking.

RIMfail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42738951)

And they still haven't gotten that memo from Apple yet. They have this big unveiling and what? The device is not ready for sale yet. Especially if you are in the USA, you have to wait until LATE MARCH!? Hahahahaha. Playbook is not ready for update yet either, not until at least the end of February.

Still no Netflix, "in negotiation" with Instagram (which is what they said about Netflix when the Failbook was launched TWO years ago).

I'm sure there's some mild laughter in Cupertino today.

Re:RIMfail (4, Insightful)

hawkbat05 (1952326) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739791)

The world doesn't wait for or revolve around the USA. If the UK carriers can launch tomorrow and Canadian carriers can launch in just a few days then there is no one to blame but the US carriers themselves.

Preloaded software (3, Funny)

localman57 (1340533) | about a year and a half ago | (#42738975)

I heard that in celebration of actually shipping the product, they're preloading them with a port of Duke Nukem Forever. Is this true?

Re:Preloaded software (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739311)

They should have called the new OS "Blackberry 3000AD", imo

Re:Preloaded software (1)

digitalmonkey2k1 (521301) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739985)

I thought it was bundled WITH Duke Nukem Forever for the Infinium Console.

Dominated by whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42738977)

I don't think it's really fair to put iOS in the same category as Android when you're talking about "dominating the market," given that the latter boasted a nearly 70% market share in Q4 2012. When the top OS has more than three times the market penetration as the nearest competitor, it's pretty clear that there's only one "dominator."

Apple gets the trophy on physical unit sales because of their sole-source model, but they're not even in the same ballpark when you're talking about OS popularity.

Re:Dominated by whom? (3, Insightful)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739057)

technically HP, Dell and others sell a lot more computers than Apple. but the Mac business makes more PROFITS than everyone's PC business combined

market share is useless if you lose money on it

same with Android. only samsung is making any money. Moto, HTC and others are losing money or barely breaking even.

Re:Dominated by whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739091)

Cool story bro.

Re:Dominated by whom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739157)

That's nice, but it's not the point. The summary mentions "a smartphone market dominated by Google Android and Apple's iOS," which simply doesn't exist. The absurd idea that everyone but Samsung is losing money doesn't really sway the very simple fact that the popularity of iOS was grossly overstated.

Re:Dominated by whom? (3, Funny)

vlm (69642) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739399)

This is like debating McDonalds vs Burger King in a story about a taco stand on main street that served 5 customers yesterday at lunch time. I think the three blackberry users still left are going to get annoyed at you guys for going off topic.

Re:Dominated by whom? (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739413)

You mean like Amazon?

In the long run (4, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739415)

market share is useless if you lose money on it

You forgot to add "... in the long run". Market share without profits can be very useful if the purpose is to drive other companies out of the market over a relatively short time period. Ask Amazon. However if a company is competing solely on price but cannot drive others out of the industry (think airline industry) then competition will drive most/all of the profits out of the industry. Apple doesn't compete primarily on price whereas Windows PC makers primarily do. If Apple were to dump OS X and sell Windows on their computers instead, their profit margins would evaporate faster than you could say "shareholder lawsuit". Same if they dumped iOS for Android.

RIM knows this and that is why they aren't going to Android. If they do there is nothing to make them stand out from Samsung, HTC and the rest and their profit margins are very likely to disappear.

holy crap .. real hope (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739039)

slashdot used "its" correctly in the title ... maybe there's hope after all

Hope it succeeds - for the employment situation (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739061)

If BB10 succeeds, it will result in more RIM jobs.

Speaking As A Canadian (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739095)

Please let this be a turnaround moment for RIM (now BlackBerry). The Canadian Pension Plan needs all the help it can get.

WTF is the point of BB Balance? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739105)

i use my personal iphone for work and i seem to manage fine. i have my work email coming in, i have the gmail app on it. i have corporate VPN.

and no need of some crazy dividing line

Re:WTF is the point of BB Balance? (2)

Mente (219525) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739185)

Using the corporate tie in allows the corp to push apps and settings to the phone and wipe them upon termination. If I set my iphone up to pop my corp mail, its on my phone and they can't do anything about it when I quit. With the BB they can nuke the corp data from orbit. Still don't want them in my enterprise though. All of the pointed headed people asking what happened to their email and messaging the next time they have a 4 day world wide outage.

Re:WTF is the point of BB Balance? (2)

davidbrit2 (775091) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739809)

If I print my corporate email, it's on paper, and they can't do anything about it when I quit. Or export the data. Or photograph the screen.

You don't want to hand everybody the keys to the kingdom, but I feel like all the emphasis on securing smartphones is a bit like installing steel security doors when you've got loads of single-pane windows everywhere. The security chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and it's usually not hard to find a much bigger security deficiency that's worth targeting before losing sleep over email on people's phones.

Now, pushing corporate apps can be very useful if you've got a large number of employees, but I'm pretty sure there are options for doing that with iOS and Android.

Re:WTF is the point of BB Balance? (2)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739285)

It's a feature users were asking for. It's not because you don't see value in it that there isn't value.

The feature protects your personnal data from you're work and vice versa. It "APPEARS" to cover the issue of mobile device security in work places where intellectual property is mission critical to protect. That just being a general overview. You can get more details on their web site.

Re:WTF is the point of BB Balance? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739429)

If you get an IT job that requires a security clearance, it's very likely that you will have to deal with that "crazy dividing line." Corporate IT Security likes to be able to have full control over a device and its data when little things like national security are involved. One of the most reliable and less-intrusive ways to accomplish this is with some type of "personas" system, which has been successfully implemented by several different packages for many years.

This is not new.

Re:WTF is the point of BB Balance? (4, Informative)

otherniceman (180671) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739681)

If your company is involved in litigation and you have work email coming in to your personal device, then under FRCP (if in the US) your personal phone could be imaged and examined for relevant documents. With balance their is a complete separation of work and home.

Re:WTF is the point of BB Balance? (2)

hawkbat05 (1952326) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739823)

You may think it's fine but I bet your corporate security group has other feelings on the matter.

should have kept the keys (0)

KernelMuncher (989766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739119)

My significant other is a big Blackberry fan and has been for years. The ability for her to type messages is the main attraction for her since she does most of her email on it. By having an interface without the keys, I think the company is overthinking it. Don't try to be like an iphone, be your own brand and excel at it. Likely this is the swan song for Blackberry.

Re:should have kept the keys (3, Informative)

c_sd_m (995261) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739215)

They showed a keyboard version. They just haven't announced launch dates for it yet.

Re:should have kept the keys (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739667)

yep, but i'd prefer it be the Torch version so you can still get a bigger screen but alas its not.

Re:should have kept the keys (1)

c_sd_m (995261) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739697)

I agree, a slide-out keyboard would've been really nice. Even tweaking the size / form factor of the keyboard models would've been nice. It's hard to believe the keyboard one is a new device, especially next to the Z10. I don't want BB to start having dozens of models again though.

Re:should have kept the keys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739233)

My significant other is a big Blackberry fan and has been for years. The ability for her to type messages is the main attraction for her since she does most of her email on it. By having an interface without the keys, I think the company is overthinking it. Don't try to be like an iphone, be your own brand and excel at it. Likely this is the swan song for Blackberry.

They are releasing a new version with the keyboard as well.

Re:should have kept the keys (1)

alphatel (1450715) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739273)

I have to agree. I was hoping there would be a new BB with some type of innovative full pull-out keyboard (not the old thumbing below-screen style). Now I know I will be sticking to Android OS on LG/Samsung/Motorola. I really prefer BB but just can't get into these full-touch screen devices with all the long technical emails/texts I send.

Re:should have kept the keys (2)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739445)

I think they will have a fighting chance as long as the Android compatibility works well. I'm skeptical of this because Android apps don't even work that consistently across different Android handsets. But I guess we'll have to wait and see. If the apps work, and they have quality hardware (good battery, good signal, good specs, doesn't break) at a competitive price, then I could see a lot of people going for a BlackBerry again.

Re:should have kept the keys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739603)

was hoping there would be a new BB with some type of innovative full pull-out keyboard

The innovative keyboard is the one on screen. It was designed by physical keyboard fanatics inside RIM, and not to match the physical experience which can't be done. Instead they tried to overcome any shortcomings along other axes. The keyboard training program is really good so it predicts your typing, not someone else's. Superfast physical BB keyboard typists claimed to be faster on the Z10 keyboard after about a month of training (training for the user and the spell checker/word completion software).

Yeah, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739121)

Does it run Linux? ;-)

Re:Yeah, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739505)

No.

Re:Yeah, but ... (1)

jankoh (2547488) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739733)

No, but it runs GNU Hurd! :-)
Well, almost: I wish QNX was licensed under GPL, then it could be renamed into GNU Hurd :-)

Re:Yeah, but ... (2)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739767)

Runs QNX, and uses the QT libraries. Not linux, not open, but at least not as far away as other mobile OSs. In fact could be close enough to simplify porting apps to or from it from other OSs.

Runs andriod apps? That reminds me of an IBM OS.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739129)

Better than I expected, but still falls short. It's not terrible, but there aren't many compelling reasons to pick one up over an iphone or a good andriod device (or even a winphone). Except if you use BES. If you don't use BES, its fucking useless.

Apps? So it runs (repackaged or slightly massaged) andriod apps. So what? That just makes it the OS/2 of smartphones..

One more reminder, patent reform now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739137)

If this looks like it should have come out 5 years ago, thank the US patent office and in particular, NTP holdings. Patent trolling killed RIM, plain and simple. The 600 million dollar hit to their bottom line put such a huge hole in their R&D budget that they literally couldn't compete, despite having a good platform and good ideas. A company like Samsung or Google or Apple that have huge profit centers in unrelated businesses can easily shrug off a loss like that, for RIM it put them YEARS behind in their ability to innovate, and there is no recovering from that.

Re:One more reminder, patent reform now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739209)

RIM's been guilty to plenty of patent trolling in the past. So, fuck 'em.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

too little too late (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739183)

No WoW factor for these phone and with the price point with contract I think its not that attractive to companies which have already invested or initiated their march towards the apples or the droids.

Definitely a game changer (2, Informative)

ub3r n3u7r4l1st (1388939) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739211)

Their stock price says it all.

Last september/october it was around $6-$7 a share, now it is more than doubled.

Re:Definitely a game changer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739265)

Dream on, fan boy. The stock's only up because morons like you can't tell a dead horse when they see one... watch earnings vaporize as existing subscribers abandon the platform as their contracts expire over the next three years. Alicia Keys will be singing the blues before this is over.

Re:Definitely a game changer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739327)

Sounds like you have a big stake in them failing. Either that or you don't have many hobbies.

Re:Definitely a game changer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739359)

Same thing happened to Palm. Conclusion: RIM is saved!

Re:Definitely a game changer (1, Insightful)

genericmk (2767843) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739383)

If the stock price says it all then by tanking today it says the opposite of what you have in mind. By changing the name to Blackberry from RIM they've effectively showcased how limited an offering they have. And hiring Alicia Keys as Global Creative Director is nothing more than publicity stunt! After playing with the Blackberry tablet I dislike their attempt at uniqueness by ditching the home button and replacing it with the swipe!

Waaayyy to early to tell (3, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739483)

Their stock price says it all.

No it really doesn't. Their stock price is not based off of any fundamentals, merely opinion and short term speculation. Their competitive position has not changed and it remains unclear if consumers will buy their latest products in sufficient volume.

Last september/october it was around $6-$7 a share, now it is more than doubled.

So did SCO when they announced their lawsuit against IBM. Their stock price jumped and then steadily dropped as people realized they were doomed. Stock prices do not in the short term reflect objective facts about a company, merely opinion. If their stock continues to grow for the next 3 years then and only then will you have a valid argument.

Re:Definitely a game changer (1)

Frederic54 (3788) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739761)

It was $150 in 2008...

Re:Definitely a game changer (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739817)

Is losing 6% today, the previous BB10 announcements/leaks raised hopes, but somewhat the presentation didnt manage to catch enough attention. Anyway, maybe is soon to say how it will end.

Why not drop the OS and make phones (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739219)

Why doesn't RIM, stop spending money on pushing an OS And make high quality android phones. Save money and keep developing the next OS when Android and iOS start to wavier.

Cmdr Taco says... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739243)

"No 1080p video. Less space than an iPhone 4. Lame." - Cmdr Taco

In celebration I'll burn some Blackberry equipment (0)

vinn (4370) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739253)

Whenever I think of RIM and Blackbery the first thing I think of is how happy I am we no longer have to administer a BES server. I am completely overjoyed that we have managed to rid ourselves of Blackberry's. BES was certainly an interesting piece of technology, but the level of complexity it added to get a calendar and email on my phone was enormous. It seems like yearly it would break in a new and mysterious way - kind of interesting in 1999, really annoying in 2013.

In fact, to celebrate BB10 being released, I think I'm going to dig up an old CD of the Blackberry Enterprise Tools or maybe an old Blackberry Curve and go burn them in the fire pit. (And yes, we have a fire pit at work.)

Re:In celebration I'll burn some Blackberry equipm (2)

Tim12s (209786) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739467)

There is BB10 BES.

Re:In celebration I'll burn some Blackberry equipm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739491)

So I assume when Apple releases its newest product you will dig out a toilet seat iBook [wikimedia.org] and throw it into the fire? If not then what's your point?

Re:In celebration I'll burn some Blackberry equipm (0)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739519)

What's the alternative though? Let everybody use android phones which can load whichever spyware infested apps they want? Not a great way to run your business. Or they could run iPhone/IOS and you'd be at Apple's mercy as far as which of apps are loaded onto your device. Also not great for your business. I've never used BES, but it's nice for businesses to at least have an option to control what does and doesn't happen on their phones. For personal phones, Android is great, but it's nice to see blackberry continue on with a serious option for businesses. There's still a need for that.

Re:In celebration I'll burn some Blackberry equipm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739619)

Both Android and Apple devices can be locked down for a corporate environment. Stop spreading lies about that which you know nothing about.

Re:In celebration I'll burn some Blackberry equipm (2)

Farmer Pete (1350093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739689)

Our BES server needed a kick twice in 4 years. We did feel the RIM outages, but the BES server was rock solid. Me thinks you were doing something wrong.

If all you used BES for was to get mail on devices (2)

markdowling (448297) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739989)

you were doing it wrong. BES isn't about mail/calendar as much as about policies, including custom policies for apps.

Just what we need. (0)

sidragon.net (1238654) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739283)

Yet another platform that duplicates a large amount of the effort invested in existing platforms, and differentiates itself only with a thin layer of user interface logic and chrome.

Re:Just what we need. (1)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739625)

You're right, competition and fresh perspectives are what we need.

Even if BB10 isn't a huge success, you can bet the Android and iOS teams will pore over it for clever ideas that could be adapted to their own platforms.

Re:Just what we need. (1)

Joehonkie (665142) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739695)

So you've used it then?

Re:Just what we need. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739875)

This is like saying that cars are only differentiated by metal and chrome around the same combustion engine.

At some point once engines (OSes) are reliable enough chrome and user interface are what matters.

(Yay oversued car analogy!).

The better mouse-trap (2)

accessbob (962147) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739949)

The whole point of capitalism is that you have multiple companies competing to serve the customer. And you want less of that? A nice monopoly maybe?

In any case, I suggest you have a good look at the underlying OS, and at the developer tools (Ripple for example, is the W3C's recommended tool for testing web apps, not just BB10 web apps). There is a lot going on under the hood that makes BB10 useful.

From the tests done (and in my experience) the Z10 has the most standards-compliant HTML 5 mobile browser, and also one of the fastest. It also has full multi-tasking and multi-threading within apps. It's built on QT, which makes apps much more portable (QT is coming to Android and WinPhone in Q3). Heck, RIM even ported DOSBox, I assume to make a point about Apple's control-freakery.

It's not just a think layer of interface logic, its a mature OS that's quite possibly already in your car, with great development tools and none of the crappy iOS restrictions on emulators/simulators.... It's not perfect by any means, but it's pretty good.

why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739315)

This new line of Blackberries look like the poorer, clumsier and less polished cousins of the latest iPhone or the newer Android varieties out there. Given this, why would someone who is currently looking for a new phone buy a Blackberry rather than an iPhone or Android? Also, the cable docks on the model in the pictures are on the left hand side of the device? What about left-handed people?

Disclaimer: right-handed owner of an old Blackberry Bold 9780

Balance (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739487)

I am interested to see the Balance feature both from a user experience and technical perspective. Currently both the major platforms Droid and IOS simply do not really offer the features Enterprise security needs even when paired with an MDM solution; of if they do they do so in a way that will not be acceptable to end users in a BYOD environment.

We have been promised Droid VMs for two years now and seen nadda. The idea being you'd have a personal phone environment and a business phone environment. One managed one not.

Price (2)

dubbreak (623656) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739517)

Looks like they are trying to compete directly with Apple and Samsung. Looks like around $650 in Canada ($150 with 3 year shackles.. which is about $500 credit towards a phone). If businesses go back to them, yeah it could work at that price (it's not as though they are paying more than an iPhone they are already supplying their sales guys with), but a bit cheaper would have given an extra push.

$359 Nexus 4 vs $650 Q10 for me as a consumer.. the Nexus wins out for sure. Then I can buy the next Nexus as soon as it comes out and hop to the next cheapest carrier at that time.

I didn't read anything about it being locked, but I assume it's carrier locked (that's the norm in Canada). That's BS for travelling. Maybe big corps don't mind paying roaming fees, but I tend to grab a cheap sim card any time I cross the boarder and save myself hundreds in roaming and data fees.

Admittedly I'm not the target market, but at this point I'd think it'd be best for BB to appeal to as broad a market as possible. If they could profit at $350/phone then they should saturate the market, rather than pricing high now, then dropping the price like the Playbook. Nothing makes your product look more unappealing than staging it as a premium product then dropping the price because it doesn't live up to the premium status.

Thoughts from a BB owner (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42739701)

I have the PlayBook and the Torch. The phone is half baked: physical keyboard has ridges around it making it difficult to use, lack of apps, unresponsive touch screen and buggy software that requires occasional reboots.

The PlayBook, which uses QNX like their new phones, is incredible. I've had it for over a year and with heavy daily use it froze on me once. By comparison, my iPod Touch has frozen 2 times in the same period of time. The OS is very responsive, the commands are very intuitive natural to use, the touch screen is as good as the iPod and the predictive text is very good.

I watched the presentation this morning and was glad to see they are heading in the direction they took with the PlayBook. Quality hardware and software that's matched to it the way Apple does it. These new phones are vastly superior to anything RIM has offered before. I'm glad they didn't drop the ball on this one.

RIMM launch - a slideshow? (-1, Troll)

ElitistWhiner (79961) | about a year and a half ago | (#42739999)

NASA rocket launch == thunder, smoke and ballastics!!! RIMM launched a phone today that didn't even make a call.

First Principles: make a phone deliver a phone. No best-in-class phone experience, not demonstrated or even alluded. No call quality, call handling, network saturation management...nothing. ANGRY BIRD should have been making calls from the front of the stage to every f'ing phone in the fricking audience en masse! THAT's the power of BBM communications in the palm of your hand.

BlackBerry could sell a phone today if you even wanted one. Not available. What's the point?

RIMM -> BlackBerry changes the name cards on the deck chairs only

Non-launch == non-event

Dissapointed (0)

Espectr0 (577637) | about a year and a half ago | (#42740005)

No drop down notifications, you only get the LED to watch when the message comes. No push email except in exchange accounts (blame google for lack of activesync in in free gmail accounts). Sub par camera. Don't know if the alarm will work with the phone off (bb phones are the only smartphone that does this currently)

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