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Gabe Newell: Steam Box's Biggest Threat Isn't Consoles, It's Apple

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the let's-have-a-console-with-just-one-button dept.

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silentbrad sends word of a recent lecture given by Valve's Gabe Newell to a college class. He had some interesting remarks about the future of games in the living room: "The threat right now is that Apple has gained a huge amount of market share, and has a relatively obvious pathway towards entering the living room with their platform," Newell said. "I think that there's a scenario where we see sort of a dumbed down living room platform emerging — I think Apple rolls the console guys really easily. The question is can we make enough progress in the PC space to establish ourselves there, and also figure out better ways of addressing mobile before Apple takes over the living room? ... We're happy to do it if nobody else will do it, mainly because everybody else will pile on, and people will have a lot of choices, but they'll have those characteristics. They'll say, 'Well, I could buy a console, which assumes I'll re-buy all my content, have a completely different video system, and, oh, I have a completely different group of friends, apparently. Or I can just extend everything I love about the PC and the internet into the living room.' ... I think the biggest challenge is that Apple moves on the living room before the PC industry sort of gets its act together." There's another hour-long lecture from Newell posted on YouTube talking about productivity, economics, and the future of corporations. Speaking of Steam, reader skade88 points out an article at Linux.com about the current state of the Steam for Linux beta.

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Gabe is a fat shit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763497)

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How could you "dumb down" the living room? (5, Informative)

John Hasler (414242) | about a year ago | (#42763547)

The TV is already there!

Re:How could you "dumb down" the living room? (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about a year ago | (#42763663)

Yeah, but the shows on it beats it hands down.

Re:How could you "dumb down" the living room? (0, Troll)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | about a year ago | (#42764537)

Adding Apple tech to anything makes it that much dumber. The whole PURPOSE of Apple is to dumb-down the computing experience to where Grandma and Aunt Judy don't have to know anything about computers to use it, aside from "If I click this envelope, I see the email." I have used more complicated vending machines.

Careful, if they get into console hardware they might patent "attaching something to your television" and make a proprietary, $99, single-button remote for it with a custom 128-pin charging cable coded to your specific remote(which also costs $99, and is only available from the Apple store).

Classic Confusion (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year ago | (#42764781)

Adding Apple tech to anything makes it that much dumber.

Simpler is not dumber.

Usually to simplify you in fact have to make something more complex - but it's complexity the user does not see.

Re:Classic Confusion (2, Insightful)

scot4875 (542869) | about a year ago | (#42765825)

Usually to simplify you in fact have to make something more complex - but it's complexity the user does not see.

And you just keep telling yourself that that is, in fact, what Apple does. Like the "simplified" trackpads that Apple innovated and everybody else has adopted that are beautiful because they have no buttons but suck really, really badly for drag-drop or select-single-pixel operations. I pretty much *have* to carry around a USB mouse to get any real work done on my MacBook Pro.

--Jeremy

Re:How could you "dumb down" the living room? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764843)

So much completely impotent butthurt rage on this site.

Re:How could you "dumb down" the living room? (2)

foniksonik (573572) | about a year ago | (#42765283)

Apple already has a console in millions of homes. It's called an AppleTV. It just got a software update to support Bluetooth Keyboards and access to iTunes music purchases. Next up, games and Bluetooth controllers and/or iPhone/iPod/iPad controller app.

Re:How could you "dumb down" the living room? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42765487)

Can you watch whatever you want on the AppleTV, or do you have to buy all the content from an Apple store?

Re:How could you "dumb down" the living room? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42765747)

Anything you can put into itunes (the software) can be streamed to your apple tv. It need not be purchased through Apple to be displayed on your TV. This means you can buy stuff from other services, rip your own DVDs, record your own home pornos, and more, and watch them all through the magic of a home network.

You can also use services like Netflix & Hulu, as well as access youtube and other streaming services.

Doughnut's biggest threat Gabe Newell... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763553)

Millions have lost their lives!

Apple Pippin 2! (1)

Kenja (541830) | about a year ago | (#42763575)

Actually, its not a horrible idea. Just make it based on iOS and it instantly has a good selection of games.

Re:Apple Pippin 2! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763675)

You're apparently oblivious to the fact that games developed to be played on touchscreen devices don't translate well/at all to a console+TV arrangement. I don't think that Apple are actually a danger to the Steam Box. There are many more Android based devices coming out that will be competing in that space.

Re:Apple Pippin 2! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763697)

Actually, its not a horrible idea. Just make it based on iOS and it instantly has a good selection of games.

Where are all these good games people keep talking about in regards to iOS and Android. I look and try and I look and I try and it's all garbage even compared to the most mediocre efforts of XBLA/PSN/.

Re:Apple Pippin 2! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763797)

You're not looking hard enough. The Chinese companies are bashing out worryingly close duplications of popular PC/console games. There's clones of Starcraft, Warcraft, Halo, BF3, all sorts of driving games based on Forza, GT etc. Sure, there's about 1000 crappy tile games for every AA quality release, but even the best stuff is only a few bucks.

Re:Apple Pippin 2! (1, Insightful)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#42764373)

that's because the gaming market isn't basement dwellers playing the latest shooter or hack and slash game. it has moved way beyond that now. angry birds and other casual games hook people that would never play "real games" and they make more profits than most "real games"

and yet the nerds who cream their pants over far cry 20 still think they are the center of the world

Re:Apple Pippin 2! (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about a year ago | (#42764263)

At minimum, Apple needs to push out newer firmware for the Apple TV v3. If you're lookinging for console like hardware form Apple (say Wii performance level), Apple TV v4 could be around the corner. Speaking of, Apple would have Nintendo directly in their crosshairs in the famility console gaming market.

Apple console? (5, Funny)

almitydave (2452422) | about a year ago | (#42763595)

An Apple gaming device would be an elegant, pure white box with only a light, it would never crash, but only Apple-approved games would run on it, and they'd all be about a brilliant designer surrounded by evil thieving copycats out to make a buck on the back of his genius, causing his kids to starve. Gameplay would consist entirely of quicktime events, "Press X to Sue" which would work fine for their controller which only has one button anyway.

Re:Apple console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763673)

Whoever modded this overrated HAS to work for Apple...

Re:Apple console? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763759)

You're right. If anything it's a flamebait post.

Re:Apple console? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763751)

An Apple gaming device would be an elegant, pure white box with only a light, it would never crash, but only Apple-approved games would run on it

So basically like every other game console.

Re:Apple console? (1, Offtopic)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#42764273)

... except for the PC ... and with Windows 8, it's heading that way as well. I'm hoping Valve aren't the only ones noticing this.

Re:Apple console? (0)

Taibhsear (1286214) | about a year ago | (#42764531)

An Apple gaming device would be an elegant, pure white box with only a light, it would never crash, but only Apple-approved games would run on it

So basically like every other game console.

Clearly you haven't played a console in a while. And now that I think about it more, probably ever. (bold for emphasis)

Re:Apple console? (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about a year ago | (#42763781)

and it would cost 50-100% more than the xbox and will probably end up as a B&O of devices elegantly designed but expensive and not good at playing with other gear just like B&O realy.

Re:Apple console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764361)

Your comment would be funnier if it contained actual humour.

Try harder next time.

Re:Apple console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764369)

quicktime [apple.com] events’ is under-appreciated, I think

Their godawful logo (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763709)

Steam's biggest hindrance is their godawful logo. That guy, with the water valve stuck in the back of his head? Fuck, that's disgusting. Every time I see it, I cringe. It's revolting. Now, even hearing the word 'steam' in the context of games makes me shudder.

Fire the psychopaths who made that design and come up with something less stomach-churning, like a pile of rotting guts.

Re:Their godawful logo (4, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | about a year ago | (#42763795)

That's not their logo...

Re:Their godawful logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763825)

No, it's just the splash screen they put on all their games..... aaargh! [zombiegamer.co.za]

Re:Their godawful logo (2)

VGPowerlord (621254) | about a year ago | (#42763909)

That's not their logo...

No, it's not the Steam logo. It is, however, the Valve logo.

On a PC, you can to skip Valve's logo. To do so, go to Steam's Library, right-click a Valve game's name and click Properties. From there, add -novid to its startup options and click OK (or Save, I forget which).

Re:Their godawful logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764175)

...seriously. Their "biggest" hindrance. The guy-with-a-valve logo.

Yes, because without that short intro video (which can be disabled) that shows up for all of five seconds on very few games, Gabe Newell would easily be a multi-quadrillionare instead of a lowly billionare. He then would most likely own the majority of the Pacific Rim outright (yes, including Japan and Hawaii), built several cities on the moon, and still have enough left over to simply buy out all the internet infrastructure in the US so we can all get the 100PB/sec download speeds we deserve. Just imagine, if only they chose a different logo that gets quickly pushed to the back of our minds shortly after the Team Fortress 2 loading screen appears, they wouldn't just have the vast majority of the PC gaming market, but they'd also be talking with space aliens and angels. Oh, woe is Valve for their poor choice of logo, dooming them to complete obscurity for their sins.

Re:Their godawful logo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764261)

Do you quaff your own cum like you after you stroke Gabe's dick?

Christ, it's a fucking gross splash screen which, my tiny brain can compute, is why there exists a well-published way of disabling it. It's disgusting. If first impressions count - and they do, one reason why I dismissed most of what you wrote - then that splash screen has cost them more than any fantasy of Apple Pippen Mk. 2 ever has or will.

Re:Their godawful logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764521)

I agree! I much preferred their original logo. You know, the one with the guy who's eye was replaced by a valve. It was so much better than the bald guy with a valve on the back of his head that they're using now. I really don't understand why they decided to change it.

Anyways, if you're so squeamish that you can't bear a 5-second splash screen then I would hate to watch any kind of horror movie with you. Heck, you'd probably run screaming from the room if you saw the scene in Terminator where Arnie cuts out his own eye with an X-Acto knife.

So much BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763721)

Fuck. Not even worth elaborating.

I can see it now... (0)

CCarrot (1562079) | about a year ago | (#42763847)

The console itself is a featureless white sphere, with random blinky led's hidden under it's mysterious skin, designed to pulse in time with the game music and give no useful information at all.

The controller has just one big button with the trademark apple logo on it...all in-game functions and controls are determined by how fast you press the button, the precise location of the button in relation to your left ear, tilt, yaw and the current weather conditions...but don't worry if this sounds complicated, because Apple will play 99% of the game for you, so really all that grind work is taken care of in the background, according to your projected gaming tastes based on your music collection! You just go ahead and watch the pretty lights and...oohh...shiny...

Re:I can see it now... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763953)

but don't worry if this sounds complicated, because Apple will play 99% of the game for you

So what's new? 99% of most modern 'games' consists of cut-scenes and the other 1% is running from one cut-scene to the next.

Valve Handheld. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763873)

I still think a handheld would have been better for them in the long run.

While consoles will certainly work since people are getting more and more pissed off the current consoles, and in general are buying less and less due to awful pricing that still exists for some retarded reason.
Valve are hoping they can one-up all of the others by having considerably cheaper prices that have worked very well on Steam so far.
If it even results in the other big 3 dropping their prices, or other 3rd parties, it will have been a success regardless of their console failing.

But for Apple, a handheld would have been much better to attack them.
In fact, the Android Market as well. It is about to get a boost soon from several different groups. (or so they hope, could well crash, but it might not)
And more to the point, a boost in the gaming side of Android.
Samsung handhelds are selling like hotcakes too.
I guess they could still always release a tablet or phone-like device in the future if the console goes well.
Baby-steps. The console is already a pretty beastly little thing as is.

All we can say for sure is the next few years are going to be a huge change to the gaming industry.
There might even be a company or few that end up leaving it too. Previously large companies at that. (Hell, even Sony might end up being ejected due to losses)
Look at EA, they almost died recently. They crashed so hard. THQ never recovered from uDraw failures, many other sad stories.
Evolution is painful.

Re:Valve Handheld. (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#42764215)

There are some young adults that have their gaming console smacked right in the living room, but by and large this isn't a very useful arrangement unless there are only two people in the household, both of whom are couch potatoes. Monopolizing the big screen probably isn't the best way for games.

Most of these consoles end up in the spare bedroom, so that kids can watch DVDs and TV, and the adults can watch the football game, or actually have friends over to see something besides empty pizza boxes and smashed beer cans.

Handhelds have a power problem. Almost any game is a battery sucking nightmare. And the device itself is easy to drop, sit on, or throw against the wall after a crushing defeat.

I still think there will be a console, if nothing else, just to serve up the game and do the heavy lifting, but perhaps your HUD will move onto the handheld, so that multiple players aren't seeing exactly what you have in the ammo box.

None of the current handhelds are suitable if you ask me. Touch screens just don't cut it. What is needed is a tablet sized device with 4 buttons on the back on both sides located where you fingers naturally fall, maybe one on the front on each side, and a touch screen that really isn't involved in gameplay.

But seriously, I don't see very many people handing over their gaming to Apple's nanny mentality.

Re:Valve Handheld. (1)

codepigeon (1202896) | about a year ago | (#42764723)

There are some young adults that have their gaming console smacked right in the living room, but by and large this isn't a very useful arrangement...are couch potatoes(sic)...and the adults can watch the football game, or actually have friends over to see something besides empty pizza boxes and smashed beer cans

What decade are you living in? Or is your interpretation of 'young adults' anyone under 50?

Re:Valve Handheld. (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | about a year ago | (#42764457)

I think a bluetooth game pad with a built in holder for a 4-7" phone/tablet would be nice... and games designed to work with it.

Re:Valve Handheld. (1)

dissy (172727) | about a year ago | (#42765049)

I think a bluetooth game pad with a built in holder for a 4-7" phone/tablet would be nice...

You describe http://www.icontrolpad.com/ [icontrolpad.com]

It can be turned on in joypad mode, keyboard mode, iCade mode, or a few others.
There are detachable side pieces made to fit certain models of smart phone, as well as a generic back bar piece to hopefully fit others, as well as smaller side pieces to snap on and use as a stand alone controller with nothing else attached to it (IE for PC use)

Valve's take on Smart TV (1)

richtopia (924742) | about a year ago | (#42763959)

When Gabe is saying that Apple is the primary competitor, it looks to me more that Steam wants to compete in the smart TV segment more than Apple is bringing a console to market. There are a lot of smart TV devices attempting for market domination, but I just do not see any achieving TiVo status, none seem to bring anything revolutionary to the table. With this mindset, I now expect XBMC to be in Steam's Greenlight and available for Linux shortly. Make it happen.

Overrated "Apple TV" (2)

js3 (319268) | about a year ago | (#42763963)

Why is everyone so hyped about about apple tv? Even gabe is scared of it but apple has done nothing new with its set top box. It's about as useful as my crappy dvd player (which can play netflix and has its own apps).

Re:Overrated "Apple TV" (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#42764049)

They're not worried about the current iteration of the Apple TV. They're worried about what it foreshadows. The rumors indicate that Apple has been working backroom deals in order to get content providers lined up for something new that's coming later.

For my part, I like Apple, but I don't want them anywhere near my gaming. iOS games work for a quick fix, but Apple has shown over and over again that they do not "get" gaming at all.

Re:Overrated "Apple TV" (2, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | about a year ago | (#42765039)

They're not worried about the current iteration of the Apple TV. They're worried about what it foreshadows. The rumors indicate that Apple has been working backroom deals in order to get content providers lined up for something new that's coming later.

For my part, I like Apple, but I don't want them anywhere near my gaming. iOS games work for a quick fix, but Apple has shown over and over again that they do not "get" gaming at all.

Do you mean to say Apple only got gaming for 97% of the population? I think that's pretty much all they want, they couldn't care less about the rest.

Re:Overrated "Apple TV" (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#42765983)

No, this has nothing to do with hardcore vs. casual gaming (that's a tangential topic). What I'm saying is that Apple simply doesn't get gaming, period, nor do I even think that the picture you've painted is factual (e.g. the majority of households in the U.S. have a current-gen console [nielsen.com] , suggesting that tablets and smartphones haven't proven to be enough to fulfill their gaming needs). Moreover, your statement is predicated on the assumption that because a company has made a platform on which successful games can be made, that they themselves must also get gaming (i.e. "PCs have lots of great games, and HP makes PCs, so HP must get gaming"). While that may be the case, I do not believe that is by any means a safe assumption.

To date, Apple's success in this area has been largely accidental. They've made repeated statements to the effect that they were caught entirely by surprise at the fact that gaming took off in the way it did on the platform they built. But just because some developers have been able to make good games on Apple's platform does not mean that Apple itself really groks gaming. Their last dedicated gaming product was the ill-fated Pippin [wikipedia.org] , and while the company has come a LONG way since then, reports over the years have indicated that their efforts to improve gaming on their platforms have been halfhearted and misguided.

For instance, I recall a story that Gabe Newell used to tell (but can't find a link for it, unfortunately) about how Apple would contact Valve periodically after Half-Life came out, asking them what they could do to make the Mac a more appealing platform for Valve's games. An earnest Apple rep would come out to Valve HQ, sit down for a few hours, take down copious notes over issues with the hardware and software that were keeping Valve off the Mac, would go back to Apple, and then would never be heard from again. The next year Valve would get the same call and a fresh, earnest Apple rep would come out and repeat the process.

As another example, consider Apple's primary product that's dedicated to gaming right now: Game Center in iOS. The feature has been baked into iOS for a few years at this point, yet it rarely gets used by games, other than for achievements, simply because it isn't that useful of a tool to most gamers or game developers. In fact, the first popular game that actually used it (Letterpress) was able to bring Game Center to its knees in just a few days [kotaku.com] , despite only using it for player matching and notifying players it was their turn.

Don't get me wrong, I love both my iPhone and iPad (and my Macs, yes, plural), and my collection of iOS games [backloggery.com] is over a hundred strong, but that doesn't change the fact that I believe it's the developers who get gaming, not Apple, and that any attempts on Apple's part to usurp the role of dedicated gaming consoles would be a setback to gaming, in that we would see the will of a company that doesn't get gaming being imposed on the community as a whole. I'm fine with them being a player in the market, but the idea that Apple can "[roll] the console guys really easily" is one I do not find appealing whatsoever.

Re:Overrated "Apple TV" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764427)

but apple has done nothing new

That's every product they put out.

Look at the target market ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42763965)

Whenever I hear mention of Valve or Steam, it tends to be from the hardcore gamer. They obviously use Windows because that's what Valve targets. Even if they didn't care for Valve, they would still use Windows because that's where they find the games that they want to play. Now ask those people: would you rather have console based upon Linux or an Apple console. I can almost assure you that they would prefer Linux. The thing is, both platforms have a reputation. Apple's has a reputation for closed platforms, which would make them another Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony. On top of that, Apple has a reputation for producing mid-range products for a premium price. That isn't exactly what a PC gamer wants. Heck, it isn't even what a console gamer wants. Linux has the opposite reputation. Even if the Steam box was fairly closed, someone would figure out how to modify the hardware and software. That's more in line with what a PC gamer does.

Re:Look at the target market ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764041)

Premium products for a mid-range price, but otherwise you're fine.

Gabe, are you reading? (1)

robmv (855035) | about a year ago | (#42763967)

Gabe, are you reading? I consider your experiments when you let my family and friends play the games I hypothetical could buy from your platform with their own users on my PC/Steam Box/whatever you will try to sell. Until my games aren't tied to only my account for play, you are out of my living room.

Re:Gabe, are you reading? (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | about a year ago | (#42765431)

Gabe, are you reading? I consider your experiments when you let my family and friends play the games I hypothetical could buy from your platform with their own users on my PC/Steam Box/whatever you will try to sell. Until my games aren't tied to only my account for play, you are out of my living room.

This is quite possibly the dumbest argument against Steam I've ever heard.

Referring to the part I bolded, what would be a suitable alternative then?

Re:Gabe, are you reading? (1)

robmv (855035) | about a year ago | (#42765517)

Simple, any platform that allow other people to play on my console with their own users, with their own friend list, scores, etc. It is not something amazing, it is already done that way on the PS3 and XBox (barring those stupid online passes needed by some games). With Steam if your brother, husband or wife, child want o play the games you bought that you have with you user on your PC/Mac, they need to access steam with your user id, or uy the game again

Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (0)

kwerle (39371) | about a year ago | (#42764009)

Know what I hate about steam? I know you wanna know!

No ratings.

At least Apple lets me rate apps! Steam doesn't even let you do that. I know they feel they can't afford it, because then folks will stop buying the 99% crap games. But unless they get their act together, I'd be happy for iOS to kick steam's ass.

And if steam wanted to do it right, they'd use something like the netflix rating system - where folks that like the same kinds of games I like will inform predicted scores for other games.

I mean -- how hard is that? Netflix has these competitions for ratings prediction, and the top few are always within a few percent of each other. Pick up the scraps and implement it!

Re:Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (4, Informative)

Zironic (1112127) | about a year ago | (#42764059)

Doesn't Steam hook into Metacritic? Just rate all the games over there.

Re:Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (1)

jandrese (485) | about a year ago | (#42764331)

And frankly, the ratings in Apple's App Store aren't really all that useful either.

Re:Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about a year ago | (#42765099)

And frankly, the ratings in Apple's App Store aren't really all that useful either.

Huh? When I see an app with a crappy icon, 20 votes and 1/5 rating, I pretty much know it's a pile of shit. Ratings are not perfect, but saying that they are not useful is a bit of a stretch IMO.

Re:Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (1)

jandrese (485) | about a year ago | (#42765477)

They're seriously gamed. Really low ratings can be a good indication of a crap app, but high ratings are basically meaningless.

Re:Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764957)

Doesn't Steam hook into Metacritic? Just rate all the games over there.

Metacritic has a whole LIBOR scandal thing going on. You KNOW not to trust video game reviews right, that's why metacritic EXISTS, so when all five reviews issue about the same score, isn't that a sign something is going on?

Look at Natural Selection 2. One review out of line with a deservedly (IMHO) less than stellar review and the "community" roars and demands a redo, which falls in line of course. Metacritic's policy is to only use the first score, good for them, but the notion that one out of line review is invalid is INSANE. They ought to work out a bigger pool of reviewers, like what Rotten Tomatoes, even if that means picking from people unaffiliated with video game related publications.

I laughed out loud when I read praise like "combination of Counter Strike and DotA". You can't talk bad about elitist game design because elitist gamers fuss too much. Like a bunch of nerds shouting down every bad Transformers review on Rotten Tomatoes till they see a score they like.

Re:Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (1)

kwerle (39371) | about a year ago | (#42764961)

Rating games on metacritic doesn't seem to do what I want. There are plenty of great first person shooters that I would never wanna buy. Not because they're bad, per se, but because I don't generally like those kinds of games.

I want scores that reflect my tastes.

Re:Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | about a year ago | (#42764105)

They display the Metacritic score for most games on the game pages and some of the list views (and almost all of the ones that don't have a metascore suck).

So they do have ratings, they just outsource it.

Re:Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | about a year ago | (#42764117)

Yes, they don't let users rate apps (although you can write recommendations).

However, most of the games in Steam's store DO have their Metacritic ratings posted. And last time I checked, Metacritic does have a user ratings system. Whether or not that's used in the actual Metacritic score, I don't know though.

Re:Gripe about steam (kinda OT): ratings (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764379)

You can put whatever text you want into the body, but even if you express a negative opinion it's still a 'Recommendation', as in "Anonymous Coward and two more of your friends recommend this game".

integrated ratings vs. metacritic (1)

kwerle (39371) | about a year ago | (#42764271)

Several posts recommending metacritic. Which is sucky for the PC and a loser for the living room. If steam wants to be in the living room, they should have a UI that is just as good (at least) for picking new games as netflix has for picking shows to watch. Integrated.

Still - I appreciate the metacritic pointers and will dig into that.

Re:integrated ratings vs. metacritic (1)

spacepimp (664856) | about a year ago | (#42764573)

Netflix gives you a suggested rating based on the ratings you have given to other movies. You cannot actually view a movies over all ranking, just what Netflix thinks it should be for you. Steam lets you see the top selling games from the genres of your choosing and then lets you dig into actual metacritic reviews, to read gamer reviews and critic reviews. This happens with the native steam browser. My fear in user generated Steam scores would be subject to 1 star reviews because their 250 dollar trojan infested laptop with intel onboard shared GPU gives them bad frame rates in FarCry.

Re:integrated ratings vs. metacritic (1)

kwerle (39371) | about a year ago | (#42764919)

On the flip side: I really like some simplistic strategy games that are well done. I really don't care for 99% of first person shooters. So I would very much like to see ratings reflect the kinds of choices I've made in the past. Metacritic doesn't seem to do that for me.

Netflix DOES let you see what other folks said about a movie. Not that I care. What I DO want from netflix that I do not have is the rotten tomato score.

Which is exactly what I want from steam: metacritic score for games (which is like RT) AND a personalized best guess score based on how I have scored games in the past.

There's no consumer-based reason not to have both (and the ability to hide one/both). The only reasons I can think of is lack of developer time and/or desire to sell really crappy games.

Screenshots (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#42765449)

At least Apple lets me rate apps! Steam doesn't even let you do that.

What bugs me is that they do not show proper screenshots of many games. There's just lots of cutscenes and concept art, not real gameplay shots.

No, console's advantage is the standardized HW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764197)

The advantage of the console, is the standardized, moderately priced, moderately powerful hardware, that devs can optimize for, and reduce debugging against. The DRM is a bonus. Gabe doesn't seem to realize the importance of standardized hardware. Look at the difficulties of releasing something for Android.

I Still Don't Get The Appeal of DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764549)

I've tried to appreciate Steam as something that adds something that I might want to a hobby that I enjoy, which is playing computer games, but I just can't find anything that I like about it. When I buy a game, I want to buy a disc that I can use to install the game on a PC whether or not I've got an Internet connection going to it. I want to own that disc. I don't want to have to install a DRM client in conjunction with the game, and I certainly don't want that client to be buggy and crash my machine repeatedly (maybe the newer versions of the Steam client are better now, but they certainly weren't during the time that I was wrestling with them). I want to be able to play that game long after Valve software is gone. Steam is nothing more than DRM to me, and I'd like it if it would just go away.

Wii (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year ago | (#42764565)

I would watch streamed movies on my wii, if it had the capability to do that. I read that you can get netflix on the wii in the US. Is that correct? You can't do that here in Australia as far as I know.

About Gabe (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764607)

He likes to hear himself talk and actually thinnks what he says most of the time is 100% true. Most of the time, this guy talks pure shit

Too price-sensitive (1)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#42764677)

The TV market is too price-conscious for Apple. They can enter that market, but it will drag down their margins.

Re:Too price-sensitive (2)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year ago | (#42764765)

The TV market is too price-conscious for Apple. They can enter that market, but it will drag down their margins.

You mean like the razor-thin profit margin PC industry?

Re:Too price-sensitive (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#42765267)

Apple has a larger market cap than most of Hollywood combined (10 times that of Universal Studios alone). That sort of clout can be a game changer. The fact that it hasn't yet come to fruition means that the studios and allies still have quite a bit of control over the system but Resistance Is Futile! If Apple really wanted to swallow them up it could.

  The problem isn't hardware or software - that's easy. The Apple TV box is cheap, there isn't a need to make an 'Apple TV' ala the iMac. Apple needs to have control over the catalog - something nobody really has. But with St. Jobs gone, I'm not sure anyone has the ego strength to drag through that fight.

Steam is intrusive (1)

Archfeld (6757) | about a year ago | (#42764975)

poorly coded, and I absolutely abhor it as a PC service I am cursed to ineract with. The thought of it attaching itself to my TV experience makes me ill.

Re:Steam is intrusive (1)

westyvw (653833) | about a year ago | (#42765369)

Really? It does feel a bit heavy sometimes (for what its delivering anyway) but its not particualary intrusive or bad to use. Certainly not spawn of the devil, like for instance iTunes.
Steam on linux is better (except for the lack of games of course). Alt-tab is perfection, smooth and slick, and etras such as steam folder locations can be anywhere and you can have multiple destinations too.

apple ? LOL (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42764995)

ooook buddy this is getting funny around here for threads
its almost lending to that reddit area of funny ....

Apple & Gaming (1)

threeboy (753488) | about a year ago | (#42765533)

Apple seems to hate gaming. If they just released a solid bluetooth gamepad for Apple TV & iPads they could destroy consoles. What would you rather do: 1) Buy your kid an expensive console with $60 games. 2) Buy your kid a ton of $1 app style games with a system you may already own. Mind you, the production quality of AAA $60 games is a huge step up but some of them app games are pretty damn good for $1.

It's the ecosystem (1)

Hjalmar (7270) | about a year ago | (#42765653)

Gaben's looking at trends. He isn't a cable TV operator, or NetFlix, and outside of those two groups the largest provider of Internet video on demand is Apple, by a very wide margin - almost more than Amazon, Vudu, and Zune combined. It is a small part of overall VOD pie (pay-TV operators have 72% of the revenue share), but it's a growing share.

At least, that's what NPD says. [npd.com] They don't compare Netflix to iTunes directly, which I would find interesting, but I don't think Gaben sees Netflix as a direct competitor - they're not providing a platform. Not yet, anyway.

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