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Apple To Discontinue Mac Pro In EU Over Safety Regulations

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the not-all-product-lines-are-created-equal dept.

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jones_supa writes "Apple has been forced to remove the Mac Pro from sale in the European Union after an amendment to a safety regulation left the machines non-compliant. The updated electronics safety standard IEC 60950-1 increases requirements around electrical port protection (PDF) and the fan guards in the system. Apple does not plan to modify their machines and will simply pull them from market in the EU. Apple wishes to warn customers and partners about the change so that they would have sufficient time to order Mac Pro units and meet any needs prior to 1 March, when the amendment comes into effect."

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"fan guards in the system" (4, Funny)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770869)

Macs have fans?

Re:"fan guards in the system" (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770879)

Macs have fans?

Cooling fans and fanboys.

Re:"fan guards in the system" (5, Funny)

Carewolf (581105) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770939)

Macs have fans?

Yes, and they are hard to miss since they whine loudly if put to work. I am ofcourse refering to the the cooling fans, not the fanboys.

Re:"fan guards in the system" (2, Informative)

FreakyGeeky (23009) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771189)

If you used a Mac Pro that did this, it was defective. Mine (early 2009 eight core) hardly makes any noise at all under load.

8 cores? Wow! (0)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771399)

Was it shiny too?

Re:8 cores? Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771495)

Was it shiny too?

It's actually an anodized natural finish, not terribly shiny.

Re:"fan guards in the system" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771473)

If you used a Mac Pro that did this, it was defective. Mine (early 2009 eight core) hardly makes any noise at all under load.

Ditto, both for my 8-core 2009, and my original 4-core 2006. Evidently the G5s that used the similar case were rather loud.

Re:"fan guards in the system" (2)

Stewie241 (1035724) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771525)

He might be talking about the Macbook Pro in response to the question 'Macs have fans?'. I know for me some operations feel like an airplane ride - when the task starts I can hear it starting to take off, it spends some time in the air as it does its work, and it lands and the engines shut off when its done. Colleagues say that the CD drive makes a loud noise as well, but I don't use it all that much.

Re:"fan guards in the system" (1)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770949)

Macs have fans?

Mac Pros do. About 9 of them scattered around in various places, all thermal-controlled.

Re:"fan guards in the system" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771345)

wow thats so cool... tell us more!!

Re:"fan guards in the system" (4, Funny)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770955)

"Fan guards" - thoroughly indoctrinated followers of the cult of Jobs, willing to sacrifice their lives for what they believe in.

It takes many a queuing at the Temples of Jobs (also known as Apple® Stores) before one reaches such lofty spiritual/materialistic station.

Re:"fan guards in the system" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771047)

Macs have fans?

...says the fanboy who spend $2000 on an Angry Birds machine who has obviously never throttled the CPU over 2%...

Re:"fan guards in the system" (2, Informative)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771267)

Yes, but I DARE you to get to ONE of them without cutting power to the computer [apple.com] . This is utter, unmitigated bullshit on the part of the EU. By the way, note that in the Apple DIY document I linked-to, Steps 1 and 2 of the instructions are "1. Shut Down Computer" "2. Wait 10 minutes". So please tell me how STUPID someone would have to be to actually encounter a SPINNING fan (or maybe they EU is worried about all those razor-sharp PLASTIC fan blades?)

Oh, and Apple HASN'T said that they WON'T be selling the NEW Mac Pro into the EU; just that it won't be ready by the time the "Directive" goes into effect in a couple of months. BIG Difference!

Re:"fan guards in the system" (0)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771471)

Macworld UK:

At issue are the large fans within the Mac Pro. Since they are unprotected, it would be possible to touch the fan blades.

Which means you would need to be unretarded enough to unscrew the case, then retarded enough to purposely touch the spinning blades, presumably while the machine is plugged in and powered up. I guess they're insisting some kind of finger guard, like a mesh, is required around a fan that housed inside a computer case. Which of course would comprise the amount of space available in the case. Kind of retarded.

and nothing of value was lost (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42770873)

and nothing of value was lost

All 3 European customers (2, Funny)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771421)

were so upset, they had to get a day off from their barista jobs.

Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (5, Informative)

Bogtha (906264) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770887)

Apple does not plan to modify their machines and will simply pull them from market in the EU.

In all likelihood it's because they've got a new Mac Pro model ready to launch. The Mac Pro hasn't had a significant update in years, it's the only Mac that doesn't have a Thunderbolt port, for example.

A new Mac Pro is being released in 2013 [forbes.com] , confirmed by Apple.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (5, Insightful)

Seb C. (5555) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770899)

Yeah, so instead of telling their customer :" Hold on, we'll deliver a brand new one", they go for "Rush for the shops, we won't comply the EU directives and there'll be no more of those Mac Pro in store in a couple of weeks".
Yeah thank you Apple...

It's not as if they would release 2 ipad versions in one year, completely killing the brand new tablet you bought 6 month earlier...

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (4, Insightful)

PhotoJim (813785) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770953)

If you bought your "brand new tablet" as a user device instead of an investment, you shouldn't really care if new versions come out.

I'm still happily using my first-gen iPad and aside from the sneers of derision from the 12-year-olds at airports :), I manage just fine.

The reality is that we're now a laptop world. A few want desktops, and that's why the Pro exists, and I'm sure it will be updated, but it's hardly a leading seller for Apple.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (2, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770961)

Not to defend Apple. but every other manufacturer of tablets, laptops, computers, cell phones release dozens of models every year.

Apple generally limits themselves to just one new design/ upgrade annually and you pounce on them for doing two?

At least apple supports their hardware for more than 12 months. If that was a dell model not only couldn't you get service or parts, but you would have to buy another one as it would be cheaper than replacing the power supply.

It is the one thing wrong with Android devices, and Smart TV's. you never know how long they might be supported. and relying on a cutting edge community to support out of date hardware is stupid.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771093)

...relying on a cutting edge community to support out of date hardware is stupid.

There you have it - someone on slashdot actually saying Linux adherents are stupid.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (1)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771145)

At least apple supports their hardware for more than 12 months. If that was a dell model not only couldn't you get service or parts, but you would have to buy another one as it would be cheaper than replacing the power supply.

Not to mention the only "Announcement" they would have made would be an Asterisk on the product page on their website, that referenced a "Not available in the EU" statement twenty pages away.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (2, Insightful)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771009)

Yeah, so instead of telling their customer :" Hold on, we'll deliver a brand new one", they go for "Rush for the shops, we won't comply the EU directives and there'll be no more of those Mac Pro in store in a couple of weeks". Yeah thank you Apple...

It's not as if they would release 2 ipad versions in one year, completely killing the brand new tablet you bought 6 month earlier...

Perhaps they know they can't get the new Mac Pro ready in a reasonable time after this bullshit "directive" goes into effect, or (MUCH more likely), the EU rules threw their development cycle into a tizzy, and now they have to REDESIGN their almost-ready-but-now-not-so-much Mac Pro. Ever think of that???

BTW, I wonder how the average EU CITIZEN thinks of all this? Fascinating that I'm not seeing the typical Slashdot posturing and whining against government overreach; just people bitching at Apple for doing the only thing they can on short notice.

And although they did break their normal "Update Cycle" with the new iPad (for like the first time EVER for ANY of their products), it certainly didn't "completely kill" anybody's iPad. My iPad 2 for example, which is now 2 generations back, still chugs along, receives OS updates, is compatible with pretty-much all (if not all) of the most recent iOS Apps, etc. It just gave people the possibility of buying a new model that much sooner. Would you prefer them to "hold back", just to keep a consistent update cycle? Would you prefer that they would have waited to add a 128 GB model, too? And then the question becomes: Wait for what? Until When?

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (0)

Computershack (1143409) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771157)

Perhaps they know they can't get the new Mac Pro ready in a reasonable time after this bullshit "directive" goes into effect, or (MUCH more likely), the EU rules threw their development cycle into a tizzy, and now they have to REDESIGN their almost-ready-but-now-not-so-much Mac Pro. Ever think of that???

By redesign you mean "put a grille over the fan"? My £13 PC PSU fan has a grille over it that you can't get your fingers through. Its hardly a difficult thing to achieve.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771389)

Sure, and maybe it induced some turbulence which makes the fans howl like a banshee in a wind tunnel when they turn on full blast. They're not like your 120mm^2x25mm case fans, think more like "electric leaf blower", when they ramp up all the way.

Apple, unlike the maker of your £13 PSU at least likes to pretend to be conscious about important things like acoustics.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (4, Interesting)

tibit (1762298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771311)

You're crazy. This is nothing new, the industry has been aware of those changes for some years now! Who the heck do you think writes those standards? If Apple doesn't have a company person, or better, many people, in ANSI or IEC, they're being stupid. I don't know who the heck spun this non-story as if Apple was up to the wall, or this was a new regulation, or whatever. Nobody who knows how those standards come into being is surprised at all. Many big corporations join standards bodies and have their say and are always aware of what's going on. I'm pretty damn sure Apple must have their people in standards bodies. They can certainly afford it. Note: standards are written by volunteers. A company buys sufficiently large membership, and they get to have their people doing the work. That's how it has been since beginning of time, really.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771387)

I'm surprised nobody has made any 'Dysan' style bladeless computer fans. Probably higher power, but close to silent. Based on Apple's slimy patenting of magnetic power cord attachment (which had been used in other places for many years), it's probably patentable.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (1, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771437)

Why would they be silent? Nothing else Dyson makes is.

We already have quiet fans with high-tech blades and fluid or maglev bearings, and we also have liquid cooling. So we already have quiet to silent cooling. There's also the option to have devices which consume so little power that they can run without active cooling.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (4, Informative)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771465)

I'm surprised nobody has made any 'Dysan' style bladeless computer fans. Probably higher power, but close to silent. Based on Apple's slimy patenting of magnetic power cord attachment (which had been used in other places for many years), it's probably patentable.

Dysan fans aren't "bladeless". They conceal the impeller in the base, then "magically" distribute that airflow around a ring. Very cool looking the first time you see it; but once you know what's going on, not so much.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771569)

I'm surprised nobody has made any 'Dysan' style bladeless computer fans. Probably higher power, but close to silent. Based on Apple's slimy patenting of magnetic power cord attachment (which had been used in other places for many years), it's probably patentable.

You're obviously stupid enough to have just wholesale bought the advertising. If you look at the cut-away drawing of the Dyson "bladeless" fan, you'll see that it DOES have blades. The base contains a garden-variety bladed fan, and the top where the air comes out is merely ductwork. When I first heard of this wonderful bladeless fan, I thought they were using electrical potential differentials to pull the air through, but no - it's just an ordinary fan in a fancy box, that sells for $400.00. And you folks think Apple has ridiculous markups!

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (4, Informative)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771413)

I am an average EU citizen and think this directive is a good thing. It applies to all sorts of appliances that have fans capable of damaging internal wiring or causing injury. Guards cost pennies and every other manufacturer managed to comply in good time.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (-1, Troll)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771497)

I am an average EU citizen and think this directive is a good thing. It applies to all sorts of appliances that have fans capable of damaging internal wiring or causing injury. Guards cost pennies and every other manufacturer managed to comply in good time.

...or just silently left the market.

Seriously, where is your citation for every other manufacturer?

And looking at THIS Apple document [apple.com] , PLEASE tell me just HOW you can get "injured" by ANY of the fans in the Mac Pro, since you have to DISASSEMBLE it to get anywhere NEAR them?

Seriously people in the EU, WAKE UP!!! Your governments are NOT your friends!!!

That's something the people who LEFT Europe and created the U.S. knew all too well. You'd be wise to study some history...

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771503)

Their updates have been incremental at best. Fuck them. Their updates used to at least seem magical. we should hook up a generator to Job's grave. He's spinning so much we could power oakland at a minimum.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771027)

Quite likely, just as how while they always seem to have a shortage at launch day of a new product they vacuum the market for its parts beforehand.

Apple is marketing first and foremost, they play the media like the devil plays a fiddle...

ovo -hoot

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (1)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771509)

Quite likely, just as how while they always seem to have a shortage at launch day of a new product they vacuum the market for its parts beforehand.

Apple is marketing first and foremost, they play the media like the devil plays a fiddle...

ovo -hoot

Oh, so you'd prefer the Osbourne Effect?

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771051)

yes not exactly inspiring confidence in the mac proline is it

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (2, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771169)

"It's not as if they would release 2 ipad versions in one year, completely killing the brand new tablet you bought 6 month earlier..."

The second version could do what, exactly, that the first version could not do? That statement stinks of "status symbol". I can't imagine that one version of iPad makes another so very obsolete, that you can't use it any longer. The only reason to buy the newer one, that I can see, is being able to flash it to people at the bar, at work, on the bus or train - even in the grocery store. "Ooohhhh, look at that guy! He has the newest little shiney! I want to be like him!"

maybe new name and pricing levels or (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771191)

maybe new name and pricing levels or BIG changes. Or maybe just to clear stock so no one get's a older system after that date.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (1)

wisty (1335733) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771011)

Or the Mac Pro is about to go EOL, so there's no point changing it.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771071)

Around my neck of the woods Mac's have made a strong comeback. However, just a week ago I noticed that I hadn't seen a new Mac Pro in quite a while, even from people who used to own mac desktops. Everyone around here seems to be using their laptop plugged to a monitor as their desktop machine.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (1)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771519)

Or the Mac Pro is about to go EOL, so there's no point changing it.

Or perhaps you're full of shit.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771225)

Apple does not plan to modify their machines and will simply pull them from market in the EU.

In all likelihood it's because they've got a new Mac Pro model ready to launch. The Mac Pro hasn't had a significant update in years, it's the only Mac that doesn't have a Thunderbolt port, for example.

A new Mac Pro is being released in 2013 [forbes.com] , confirmed by Apple.

While a new MP may be coming - all the referenced articles said were - MP customers are important, great things are coming to the desktop in 2013, we are working on MP designs which probably will be coming in 2013. Hardly a solid statement on the MP future.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771483)

So they use the EU as an excuse to replce product? Stupidest theory I've ever read.

Re:Unlikely to be discontinued altogether (1)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771515)

What evidence gives you the impression that the 2013 line (which the comments in the article you linked to point out has been a sign of betrayal by negligence) will comply with EU standards?

It must be about "the children" (4, Funny)

mariox19 (632969) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770893)

Thank goodness Europe will be safe now from those assault Macs.

Re:It must be about "the children" (1)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771017)

Thank goodness Europe will be safe now from those assault Macs.

You sir, have made my day!

Apple only cares about consumer gear now (4, Informative)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770895)

They have no interest in keeping their legacy gear up to date or up to code. Their primary investments are:

1. Lawyers
2. iPhone/iPad/iPod

Their OSX currently reflects this direction.

I for one and sad to see Apple giving up this part of their product line. It is the only part I really like.

The sad reality is that Apple only cares about what Apple cares about. Not about what its consumers want and Apple (Steve Jobs) has stated it plainly. It is not for the people to tell Apple what they want, but rather for Apple to tell people what they want. And by extension, it is not for "the people" to tell Apple anything at all. They would rather exit a market they cannot control and dominate.

And so, as things progress, they will continue to lose control over the iDevice market and the end is inevitable.

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (1)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771077)

I for one and sad to see Apple giving up this part of their product line. It is the only part I really like.

Quit hand wringing.

Do you live in the EU? No? Not affected.

Live in the EU? Lobby for this bullshit "Directive" to be repealed. Good luck with that. You want a good example of "not listening to people", look no further than your local government.

Otherwise, stop whining.

Oh, and since Mac Pros will still be available in the other 100 or so Countries where Apple products are sold, are you really so lame that you couldn't GET one if you wanted to, even if you lived in the EU? Or did the EU outlaw "possession", too?

Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, this is Apple's way of "pushing back" against this particular bullshit, by attempting to incite some of their customers to start pressuring for change in the law?

Oh, and I note that you have cherry picked your Apple "quotes". I seem to remember that Tim Cook himself penned an email [tuaw.com] to a nervous Apple fan (actually, a whole group of them), assuring him of Apple's dedication to the Mac Pro, specifically. But I notice that you have conveniently had a memory lapse about that.

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771151)

Spoken like a true zealot. Keep it up, you'll continue to convince yourself.

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (1)

mrbester (200927) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771293)

The EU hasn't outlawed "possession" but they are a bit funny about grey imports.

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (1)

Marxdot (2699183) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771309)

False sense of wisdom.

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (2)

tibit (1762298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771343)

Lobby for this bullshit "Directive" to be repealed.

Are you mad or something? This directive, and the standards it refers to, are nothing even remotely new! For all I know, Apple participates in the standards bodies that write this stuff. Wake up call: standards are written by volunteers from the industry. If you're in the industry and your company can afford it, there's not much left for you to do but to participate in the standards making process. Apple has no reason to complain about any of that, because with their money they could have people in every working group of IEC, ANSI and ISO there is. Many people, even.

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (1)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771539)

Lobby for this bullshit "Directive" to be repealed.

Are you mad or something? This directive, and the standards it refers to, are nothing even remotely new! For all I know, Apple participates in the standards bodies that write this stuff. Wake up call: standards are written by volunteers from the industry. If you're in the industry and your company can afford it, there's not much left for you to do but to participate in the standards making process. Apple has no reason to complain about any of that, because with their money they could have people in every working group of IEC, ANSI and ISO there is. Many people, even.

I didn't see Apple "complaining", did you?

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (4, Insightful)

janrinok (846318) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771365)

It is interesting that you seem to place the blame on the EU - if you read the second link of TFS it finishes by pointing out: 'This standard has been approved as a National Standard of Canada by the Standards Council of Canada, and has been approved as by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) as an American National Standard.' It is, if I understand it correctly, an International Standard that the EU is obeying. I cannot imagine why the US or Canada, for example, is not also complying.

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (1)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771549)

It is interesting that you seem to place the blame on the EU - if you read the second link of TFS it finishes by pointing out: 'This standard has been approved as a National Standard of Canada by the Standards Council of Canada, and has been approved as by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) as an American National Standard.' It is, if I understand it correctly, an International Standard that the EU is obeying. I cannot imagine why the US or Canada, for example, is not also complying.

Then why is it only the EU in which Apple feels compelled to (temporarily) withdraw the Mac Pro?

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771129)

Mac Pros have cooling fans with access to the fan blades. Such fans will be forbidden within the EU from March first. They couldn't keep selling those models there even if they wanted to.

Aside from last year's written promise from Tim Cook that there'd be a new Mac Pro this year, you may be right that Apple's first priority is not the Pro market anymore. However, seeing as how it's one of the biggest companies in the world, they probably have a few folks left that can put out a tower computer and they'd still sell a bunch of them.

If they wanted to discontinue the Mac Pro, they'd discontinue the Mac Pro worldwide at the same time. They're not gun shy about that sort of thing; they did it with the Xserve. It doesn't make any sense to discontinue it only in the EU at the time the revised law goes into action unless they really are just avoiding selling something they won't be allowed to.

Re:Apple only cares about consumer gear now (1)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771579)

Mac Pros have cooling fans with access to the fan blades. Such fans will be forbidden within the EU from March first. They couldn't keep selling those models there even if they wanted to.

So, what defines "Access", since you HAVE to have the computer DISASSEMBLED [apple.com] to get anywhere NEAR a "fan blade: in the POWERED-OFF Mac Pro?

Whatever (1)

Subratik (1747672) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770901)

They have a good system set up. They release new products every year. It would be more expensive, I'm assuming, to sell newly designed laptops or accept recalls and pay for the labor.

People will still buy it anyway. ... But will people keep buying the iPhone, apples biggest moneymaker? The answer to that question could significantly drop apple's value.

Re:Whatever (1)

technosaurus (1704630) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771063)

They will have to whenever Apple simply decides there are too many iphone(x) users that haven't "upgraded" time to phase out support, shut down the app store and stop updates. P.T. Barnum would be so proud.

SRSLY? (5, Insightful)

cellocgw (617879) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770921)

So if I understand the reg. in question, hardware with an internal fan (like a Mac Pro) that is only accessible if you pull the housing must have an internal fan guard? WTF?
This makes no sense. For that matter that thing about minimum and max cord length is pretty wacked. Is there really a computer, or transistor radio, manufacturer out there who wanted to deliver 7-meter power cords?

Re:SRSLY? (3, Insightful)

moronoxyd (1000371) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770969)

So if I understand the reg. in question, hardware with an internal fan (like a Mac Pro) that is only accessible if you pull the housing must have an internal fan guard? WTF?

The Mac Pro has a power supply. The power supply has a fan. This fan is close to the outer housing of the Mac Pro and accessible through some gills of some sort ... Do you now see where the potential risk lies?

Re:SRSLY? (0, Troll)

its a trappist! (2787963) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770995)

No. I don't. I've owned a MacPro for years and neither myself nor any of my family have ever been maimed by it. Ah, Europe... the nanny continent.

Re:SRSLY? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771057)

Ah, an American.

Re:SRSLY? (1)

Clsid (564627) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771097)

Yup, Americans are always practical and straight to the point. Very low need for bullshit, committees and endless talk.

Re:SRSLY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771127)

Americans would just sue after fact and ask for punitive damages. European prefer to know in advance what can be punished and what is ok. The thing that let you know what can be punished is called "regulation".

Disadvantage: there is regulation.
Advantage: you are not going to be hit with a pricy lawsuit over something you had no idea is wrong.

Re:SRSLY? (5, Insightful)

icebraining (1313345) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771461)

We have grills on our fans, you have the TSA, and we're the nanny continent?

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Re:SRSLY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771183)

I don't know about you, but my fingers are much fatter than toothpicks or twist ties, which are about the only things I can see around me that would actually fit inside these holes...

Re:SRSLY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771253)

except your ...

Re:SRSLY? (4, Informative)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771195)

So if I understand the reg. in question, hardware with an internal fan (like a Mac Pro) that is only accessible if you pull the housing must have an internal fan guard? WTF?

The Mac Pro has a power supply. The power supply has a fan. This fan is close to the outer housing of the Mac Pro and accessible through some gills of some sort ... Do you now see where the potential risk lies?

Please show me ANY picture of a Mac Pro where an EXPOSED-TO-THE-OUTSIDE fan is shown. The Mac Pro has PLENTY of fans (ask anyone who has made one really work hard!), BUT NONE OF THEM ARE ACCESSIBLE OR EVEN VISIBLE (except through perforated metal GUARDS) WITHOUT OPENING THE CASE!!!

Got it?

Here's a handy DIY document from Apple [apple.com] , that shows ALL of the fan locations. Please tell me how these aren't "guarded" already.

Your move.

Re:SRSLY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771361)

You mean like the gills on every PSU ever made?

Re:SRSLY? (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770979)

Power cord lengths are regulated in the US as well-- forget if it is 2m or 6ft. You can only use 15ft cords in "information technology equipment rooms." Of course in the US it is regulated by UL/NFPA, and not a government agency.

Re:SRSLY? (0, Troll)

macs4all (973270) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771115)

So if I understand the reg. in question, hardware with an internal fan (like a Mac Pro) that is only accessible if you pull the housing must have an internal fan guard? WTF? This makes no sense. For that matter that thing about minimum and max cord length is pretty wacked. Is there really a computer, or transistor radio, manufacturer out there who wanted to deliver 7-meter power cords?

The EU has some of THE most bone-headed and patently unrealistic "Directives" on the planet. It is, in many ways, "Government run amok."

A few years ago, they basically turned the entire electronics industry on its ear, by banning lead-based solder (along with a bunch of other substances that make electronics much more reliable) with their so-called "RoHS" directives. THE ENTIRE PLANET HAD TO SHIFT GEARS TO SUIT THEM. Why? When was the last time you saw someone EAT a circuit board? I know that sounds silly; but it is pretty much on-par with requiring fan guards on INTERNAL fans. At some point, governments (world-wide) have to understand that not everything, nor everyone, needs "protected", just because one stupid person went to the E.R. because they stuck their hand in a moving fan.

And a 22 foot long power cord?!? Holy shit! That won't fit in the BOX with most consumer electronics gear. And what about the TRIP HAZARD that causes? Oh, I know: Pass a law to require a wire-loom device with each device. Yeah, that's the ticket!

FFS, people! STAND UP TO YOUR GOVERNMENT!!! Don't bitch at Apple.

Re:SRSLY? (4, Informative)

iluvcapra (782887) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771185)

When was the last time you saw someone EAT a circuit board?

Cellphone goes into trash, trash goes into landfill, rain goes into landfill, reactive compounds go into groundwater.

Proper eWaste disposal methods can minimize this, but in a lot of cases this just means shipping the cellphone to Dalian or Inner Mongolia where an 11-year-old makes a dime an hour dipping circuit boards into a hot bath. In the open air. Without a mask.

Re:SRSLY? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771391)

ok your freshman libertard rant is very insightful and not at all guessable in full from the moment I read "The EU has some of THE...", but without government how can we supply "macs4all"?

Re:SRSLY? (1)

icebraining (1313345) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771481)

Yeah, well, you don't live here anyway, so shut up and go get groped by the TSA.

politics (1)

nten (709128) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771117)

Apple didn't pay their dues, considering the way the samsung case went in the UK they probably don't lobby/bribe anywhere in europe. Not that I think the case had merit, just that if they had paid they would have won. No one has ever been maimed by a 5.5v fan have they? Whatever manufacturer did pay, looked at the differences between their product and apple's, and found the difference between the two that was easiest to use, then lobbied/bribed the regulators to regulate that difference in their favor. It happens a lot.[needs citation] Any power we give the government, is a power the corporations can buy. People should just start voting for whichever candidate got the fewest campaign contributions, probably wouldn't fix anything, but it would be interesting.

Build your own (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42770923)

http://www.tonymacx86.com/325-building-customac-buyer-s-guide-january-2013.html

Re:Build your own (2)

0xdeaddead (797696) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771159)

I've been using a 2006 Mac Pro "hacked" by using it's Windows bootloader to load up a hackintosh loader to run 10.8 .. Besides adding ram, disks and a better video card, I haven't seen any compelling reason to buy a new one.. but from all the hackintosh stuff I've ever done, the mac pro makes the best "hackintosh" as it is a real mac once you get the OS loaded up...

Re:Build your own (1)

Le Grande Raoul (1726988) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771269)

http://www.tonymacx86.com/325-building-customac-buyer-s-guide-january-2013.html

I wish I could say that building a Hackintosh is the answer. Financially, it might make sense to build a Mac Pro level Hackintosh but for the lower performance boxen, the price is the same or even more than an Apple product. I just don't like iMacs because I want to look inside the box and not have to perform mechanical gymnastics to change out a drive or add some RAM. I still want a CD/DVD drive in the front where I can use it where I want it. I may end up with a Mac Mini in a Sonnet server rack-mount adapter. It will hold two Mac Minis and there is a DVD slot in the fron where a drive could be installed, there is on USB port and the power button on the front where it is handy. I would use one Mini and the extra space inside would be used for more drive space. Also, what I consider the real disadvantage others will fine a disadvantage: the gymnastics involved to get the OS to run on non-Apple equipment. I read the instructions with the idea of putting an inexpensive Hackintosh together more for an intellectual activity than anything else. I could say, "Yes, I too socked it to the man and made OSX run on non-Apple hardware". If it all went higgeldy-piggeldy, I could put a Linux on it and have many of the features I like about the OSX (*nix under the hood) and access to off the shelf software through Wine, which is pretty mature these days. When I got to the lines containing all the different types of patching that might (or might not) be done to get it working, I was a bit intimidated. And, with an OS upgrade, I might (or might not) have to go through the whole process again. Those who want to do so, I say go for it. There are hardware lists of parts which will work and plenty of advice on getting the software part working. It is something that can't be done. But, IMHO, it isn't something for just anyone.

Re:Build your own (1)

Le Grande Raoul (1726988) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771289)

http://www.tonymacx86.com/325-building-customac-buyer-s-guide-january-2013.html

I wish I could say that building a Hackintosh is the answer. Financially, it might make sense to build a Mac Pro level Hackintosh but for the lower performance boxen, the price is the same or even more than an Apple product. I just don't like iMacs because I want to look inside the box and not have to perform mechanical gymnastics to change out a drive or add some RAM. I still want a CD/DVD drive in the front where I can use it where I want it. I may end up with a Mac Mini in a Sonnet server rack-mount adapter. It will hold two Mac Minis and there is a DVD slot in the fron where a drive could be installed, there is on USB port and the power button on the front where it is handy. I would use one Mini and the extra space inside would be used for more drive space. Also, what I consider the real disadvantage others will fine a disadvantage: the gymnastics involved to get the OS to run on non-Apple equipment. I read the instructions with the idea of putting an inexpensive Hackintosh together more for an intellectual activity than anything else. I could say, "Yes, I too socked it to the man and made OSX run on non-Apple hardware". If it all went higgeldy-piggeldy, I could put a Linux on it and have many of the features I like about the OSX (*nix under the hood) and access to off the shelf software through Wine, which is pretty mature these days. When I got to the lines containing all the different types of patching that might (or might not) be done to get it working, I was a bit intimidated. And, with an OS upgrade, I might (or might not) have to go through the whole process again. Those who want to do so, I say go for it. There are hardware lists of parts which will work and plenty of advice on getting the software part working. It is something that can't be done. But, IMHO, it isn't something for just anyone.

Sorry, posted too fast. The last line: "It is something that can't be done." should read: "It is something that can be done"

Re:Build your own (1)

SlashDread (38969) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771577)

original poster here, not being anon. You are wrong.

It is enterly possible to build mid level Macs for about 50-70% of the price.

Im looking at mine right now, I build a top end Intel core 7, with 32GB RAM, a mid/high video card (Nvideo GTX 660 TI) with 240 SSD + 1TB platters, bought a Dell 27" 2560x1440 display all for about 1600.EU

This would count as a high end iMac (But with a normal servieable case) or a low end Mac Pro (Pro's have Xeon's)

An iMac (without the SSD) with 32GB ram would cost me 2600 Eu. If I compare it with a xeon decked pro, it will even be more (MUCH more)

They way I see it, Apple overcharges for SSD, RAM and peripherals by a large margin.

You are right that it isnt for anyone. Macs "Just work", building a hackintosh requires research and some patience and a basic knowladge about computers.

nanny fanny state (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42770947)

that is all
back to sleep sheep

Re:nanny fanny state (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771335)

"I'll test my own food for botulism!" --Anonymous Coward

Apple is getting out of the computer biz (0, Troll)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770963)

and has been for a long time. It's a bit of an open secret that by 2014 - 2015 the only mac computers you will be able to buy are the Air, iMac, and Mini, and I'm not too sure about the Mini. The iPhone and iPad ARE the future of Apple Computers. If Apple ever gets into TV production, the iMac will disappear. And a Macbook Air will just be an iPad with a keyboard, which technically already exists with 3rd party gear.

There's really no point to building all purpose computers except for programmers. There's just no money in building general purpose computers.

RS

No programmers, no apps. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42770987)

No programmers, no programs, and the Mac will go the way of the Amiga.

Re:No programmers, no apps. (2)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771003)

Don't you need a Mac to program for iOS?

Re:No programmers, no apps. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771029)

Ignore the trolls.

Re:No programmers, no apps. (1, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771455)

Don't you need a Mac to program for iOS?

You do, but you can do it on a mini, or if that goes away, on an imac.

I don't think Apple laptops are going anywhere. They might add touch to them though. It would help them keep up with the PC, which is finally heading that direction. To the haters, there's no reason not to have touch, as long as you don't deprecate the touchpad. Of course, Apple has already demonstrated their disregard for touchpad users by reversing the scrolling direction in an update without prior notice... At least they actually gave you a config option for that.

Re:Apple is getting out of the computer biz (3, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771439)

Why do you think that? At their last conference call where they talked about money, I recall Apple being excited about the growth in their Mac sales.

Hmm (4, Informative)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770981)

I'm going to assume the EU actually stipulates that particular IEC standard must be followed in law then, because the IEC isn't an EU body, it's an international one. In fact ANSI is a full member of the IEC.

Typical Apple Attitude (2, Funny)

Rambo Tribble (1273454) | about a year and a half ago | (#42770993)

"We don't need you, you need us."

Re:Typical Apple Attitude (4, Informative)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771333)

Or, as they've already announced, they plan on launching a new Mac Pro this year and see no reason to modify the existing design to meet new standards for a couple of months when their new machines, which are coming soon, probably meet those standards.

Or you can pretend that it's some elitist attitude thing because that sounds cool, right.

Re:Typical Apple Attitude (1, Funny)

Rambo Tribble (1273454) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771493)

So, just don't hold the Mac Pro that way?

Yeah, so? (3, Informative)

phillymjs (234426) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771087)

IIRC, Tim Cook already publicly stated a redesigned Mac Pro would be released in 2013.

The other Macs in the lineup have grown more powerful over the years, so the number of people who still specifically need the abilities of a Mac Pro is relatively small. It would make no financial sense for Apple to address these regulations by changing the current Mac Pro design. The best move was what they did-- simply giving those people some warning so anyone who was planning future Mac Pro purchases could decide if they needed to buy the existing model or could afford to wait for the redesigned model to be announced.

Oh no, better buy before its too late! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42771213)

Quick buy buy buy.

In 3 months, they'll release news of a new mac, quick buy buy buy!

Sales probably aren't good enough anyway (1)

Nimey (114278) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771301)

if the current generation had good enough sales in Europe Apple would make a fix and keep selling.

But since they haven't made any real updates to the Mac Pro in /years/ (the CPU is a few generations behind, still based on the first-gen Core i7 Xeons) their sales just aren't good.

MacPro vs. Kitchen Mixer (EU=Fire Marshall Bill) (1)

the agent man (784483) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771417)

The EU is apparently having too much time making up problems. Just about EVERY appliance in a kitchen is more dangerous than a MacPro. Have you every used a kitchen mixer? Rotating blades hooked up to a high power motor, no protection, no case... We have a number of MacPros. You really have to open up the case and want to stick your finger in there. Even if you would, these motors are low power. The potential injury would be minimal compared to a mixer. This makes no sense. Is the European Union turning into Fire Marshall Bill?

Re:MacPro vs. Kitchen Mixer (EU=Fire Marshall Bill (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771535)

The EU is apparently having too much time making up problems. Just about EVERY appliance in a kitchen is more dangerous than a MacPro. Have you every used a kitchen mixer? Rotating blades hooked up to a high power motor, no protection, no case... We have a number of MacPros. You really have to open up the case and want to stick your finger in there. Even if you would, these motors are low power. The potential injury would be minimal compared to a mixer. This makes no sense. Is the European Union turning into Fire Marshall Bill?

That happened a long time ago.

Re:MacPro vs. Kitchen Mixer (EU=Fire Marshall Bill (1)

the agent man (784483) | about a year and a half ago | (#42771591)

true but the EU appears to be going back in time ;-)
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