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Iranian Space Official: Photo Shows Wrong Monkey

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the pictures-of-you dept.

Space 89

littlesparkvt writes "One of two official packages of photos of Iran's famed simian space traveler depicted the wrong monkey, but a primate really did fly into space and return safely to Earth, a senior Iranian space official confirmed Saturday. The two different monkeys shown in the photos released by Iran’s state media caused some international observers to wonder whether the monkey had died in space or that the launch didn’t go well."

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So (4, Funny)

rossdee (243626) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778005)

Its a 'scratch monkey'

Re:So (-1)

thomasdz (178114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778057)

Its a 'scratch monkey'

In case someone (probably young) doesn't get the reference... here you go:

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1626519_1373664,00.html [time.com]

Re:So (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778309)

Dafuq? Is that just the wrong link, or is that some kind of stupid racist bullshit?

Re:So (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778359)

Don't see anything about a monkey in those pictures... Or did it go "whoosh" over my head?

Re:So (3, Informative)

wmac1 (2478314) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778531)

According FoxNews (should be valid enough for most!):
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/02/iranian-space-official-says-photo-shows-wrong-monkey/ [foxnews.com]

Jonathan McDowell, a Harvard astronomer who tracks rocket launchings and space activity, also said this week's monkey space flight was real, but he had a slightly different explanation for the photo mix-up. He claimed the light gray monkey with the mole died during a failed space mission in 2011.

"The monkey with the mole was the one launched in 2011 that died. The rocket failed. It did not get into space," McDowell said. "They just mixed that footage with the footage of the 2013 successful launch."

Iran has never confirmed that a monkey died in 2011, or that there was a failed mission that year.

Re:So (1)

wmac1 (2478314) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778545)

But the reference that Iran did not confirm failure of the launch is obviously incorrect. The minister of communications of Iran confirmed the failure and mentioned that the mission did not achieve any of it's targets.

Re:So (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778575)

It's not actually dead. I don't know what will be repercussions for me, but this is far too important to hide.

It actually came back from the orbit... strange. We suspect some unidentified sickness and for time being...

Ahmed, you idiot! Careful there near the containment sec

OH GOD! OH GOD, NO! THE AIRLOCK, GET THE AIRLOOOsdcdjfkuisaozujoljiwyha o9vjbpasznzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Re:So (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42785073)

Griselda: No! The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon! The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!
(Courst Jester)

Re:So (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42785553)

Its a 'scratch monkey'

I'd never heard that term until I read Stross' free ebook by the same name [manybooks.net] and Googled it.

Me too! says Iraq (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778017)

Soon every country will have a monkey in space.

http://memegenerator.net/instance/34269748 [memegenerator.net]

Re:Me too! says Iraq (2)

Larryish (1215510) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778375)

*waves hand*

"These aren't the monkeys you're looking for."

Of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778023)

Sure. Whether or not it went flawlessly is what they're questioning ....

Re:Of course (1)

wmac1 (2478314) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778517)

A complete analysis of the case has been given on NasaSpaceFlight forum: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11734.msg1007858#msg1007858 [nasaspaceflight.com]

Also quoting from foxnews:
onathan McDowell, a Harvard astronomer who tracks rocket launchings and space activity, also said this week's monkey space flight was real, but he had a slightly different explanation for the photo mix-up. He claimed the light gray monkey with the mole died during a failed space mission in 2011.

"The monkey with the mole was the one launched in 2011 that died. The rocket failed. It did not get into space," McDowell said. "They just mixed that footage with the footage of the 2013 successful launch."
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/02/iranian-space-official-says-photo-shows-wrong-monkey/ [foxnews.com]

Lies! (5, Funny)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778031)

Just more lies from the decadent western press. Iran's space program is so far advanced that we had a super-secret dermatoligist waiting for this monkey in orbit, where his mole was removed. To believe otherwise goes against our religion, and dis-believers shall be beheaded! - Signed, The current Ayatollah of Iran

Re:Lies! (2)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778267)

I kind of like that style of signature. Like if instead of signing "Barack Obama" on bills, he signed "The Current President of the United States".

Re:Lies! (3, Informative)

guttentag (313541) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778389)

To believe otherwise goes against our religion, and dis-believers shall be beheaded! - Signed, The current Ayatollah of Iran

Official Correction by a Senior Official of the Ayatollah's Space Commission

The Ayatollah who signed that statement was not in fact "the" current Ayatollah of Iran, as there are actually 31 Ayatollahs of Iran [wikipedia.org] . He was simply a man sporting similarly-patterned headwear. However, Grand Ayatollah Khamenei [wikipedia.org] agrees with and endorses the statement, which makes it as true and internationally-significant as the indisputable fact that Iran has put a monkey into space and returned him safely.

Furthermore, the previous senior official who released the signed statement has been beheaded for his failure to recognize an actual Ayatollah. Interviews for those seeking to succeed that official will take place starting Monday, as the Grand Ayatollah will be occupied watching the Superbowl today. He graciously thanks all of the Iranian citizens who have donated their satellite dishes [nytimes.com] to make this possible.

And it's goodnight from me... (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42780365)

The Ayatollah who signed that statement was not in fact "the" current Ayatollah of Iran, as there are actually 31 Ayatollahs of Iran

I'd be very surprised if there wasn't some system of ranking or seniority, so one of them must be the Ayaayatollah.

Re:And it's goodnight from me... (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#42780511)

That would be the "Grand Ayatollah" mentioned in the post you are replying to.

Wie ist das wetter bei Sie? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year and a half ago | (#42825433)

My grandad knew Haile Selassie when he was only slightly Selassie.

Re:And it's goodnight from me... (1)

reboot246 (623534) | about a year and a half ago | (#42780751)

Or is it the "Mother of All Ayatollahs"?

Whoops! I think I just called the Ayatollah a mother! Off with my head!

Re:Lies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42794929)

At least the English-speaking Iranians can spell dermatologist.

Re:Lies! (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#42795223)

No one can know when or where the Spelling Nazi may strike!

Kept It In The Family (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778043)

At least...

Second opinion, please. (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778075)

Preferably one from a regime that doesn't have a history of embarrassingly faked propaganda shots.

Re:Second opinion, please. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778379)

Quick call up the embedded Press Reserves Corp. Send in the pundits!

It's like, no one in the Great and Powerful West ever retouches a photo, fakes a film sequence, takes credit for something they didn't actually do or misrepresents matters of 'national security' in order to influence politics or make a public case for war. At least not enough so that any writers might take this cue to indicate the superficial nature of the Great American Dream.

Under Donald H. Rumsfeld, the U.S. Department of Defense (formerly known, more accurately as the Department of War, and soon to be known as the Department of Peace because, after all, "it's our profession") we did actually have the Office of Influence [wikipedia.org] . Of course that was before the Bush White House orchestrated the biggest propaganda campaign in history. You remember the one that disingenuously argued the connection between Afghanistani based terrorists and Iraq while completely ignoring the Saudi Arabian origins of the Twin Towers bombing conspirators or the American involvement in facilitating both the Hussein regime and the arming of Islamic Jihad in Afghanistan (oh, that's right, Reagan called them, "Freedom Fighters," at the time, so it was OK).

You'd think this monkey was the adopted son of a Nobel geneticist/rocketry scientist bent on highjacking the Iranian space program in order to deliver a weaponized, adenovirus enabled gene therapy that would neutralize the violent tendencies of Homo sapiens, thereby threatening the integrity of the U.S. militant economic base.

Re:Second opinion, please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778549)

Someone was up past their bedtime.

They didnt sell me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778077)

But I have this bridge for sale if they are interested.

Iran has a history with PhotoShop (4, Informative)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778079)

So, Iran's got a bit of history with PhotoShop.:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/ [nytimes.com]

It seems quite reasonable for folks to question ANY photographic evidence / propaganda / news releases from Iranian sources.

Re:Iran has a history with PhotoShop (2)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778171)

NY Daily News story says Iran claims they just issued the wrong photo, though there's no video of the rockets return to earth. (Mobile site) http://m.nydailynews.com/news/world/iranian-space-monkey-flight-fake-article-1.1253425 [nydailynews.com]

Re:Iran has a history with PhotoShop (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778337)

That's because the rocket hasn't returned to earth. Wait - what is that? Ninja Monkey navigating stealthily behind the ISS! Ninja Monkey is going to use his Ninja skills to spy on the ISS crew, while they watch the Super Bowl!! Ninja Monkey says "Screw "futbol", I want some FOOTBALL!"

Will Ninja Monkey ever return to earth? Will Ninja Monkey master the rules of football? Will Ninja Monkey take over the space station? Tomorrow, boys and girls, same time, same station!!

Re:Iran has a history with PhotoShop (3, Interesting)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778341)

Hmm. What that article actually says is that a western news organization ran an image that they claimed they found on an Iranian news website, but when that Iranian site was checked later the same day no such image was found - the unaltered original was found there though.

In fact, nobody has been able to find the altered image being served by Iranian media anywhere, it seems. So it ends up being "he said she said". That's why the article says

So far, though, it can’t be said with any certainty whether there is any official Iranian involvement in this instance. Sepah apparently published the three-missile version of the image today without further explanation.

There could be any number of explanations for that, including a patriotic but rogue photographer on the Iranian side, or even some kind of Western propaganda. I'm very doubtful that AFP has been compromised, it's more likely it was done by the Iranians, but unfortunately there is a history of absurdly flaky forgeries that support the case for war against middle eastern countries surfacing through the press. At any rate, it's impossible to conclude from this that there's some kind of systematic Iranian policy of photoshopping news images.

Re:Iran has a history with PhotoShop (1)

wmac1 (2478314) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778585)

The Photoshop was done by "Fars News Agency" and it was known only after the IRGC published the real photo on it's website.

Attributing the stupidity of an editor or a reporter of "Fars News Agency" to the country is utter trolling.

Iran's Finest News Source (1)

Latent Heat (558884) | about a year and a half ago | (#42782459)

Trolling?

Can't find the best link, but Iran was caught with a Photoshop enhanced picture of a multiple rocket launch where they dubbed in a fourth rocket.

The wags had a field day with that, with one pranked photo with Jar Jar Binks added making it back on to an Iranian news site.

Didn't the Onion do one where the rockets were criss-crossing the sky in all directions?

Re:Iran's Finest News Source (1)

wmac1 (2478314) | about a year and a half ago | (#42782591)

Did you read my message?

We have taken over your Lunar Embassy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778087)

And will hold it until all our demands are met....or supply of bananas runs out....

yeah (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778115)

Yeah wrong monkey. This is the one that flies their new "stealth" fighter.

Shifted in time (4, Funny)

Ol Biscuitbarrel (1859702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778129)

First comment from the monkey:

"Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty human!"

Re:Shifted in time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778461)

Actually it was

"Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty arab!"

Re:Shifted in time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778827)

So, that was a jewish monkey? Or a fascist one? (Probably not both, for known reasons)

Egyptian Simian (1)

Latent Heat (558884) | about a year and a half ago | (#42782469)

No, it was the head guy in Egypt.

Re:Shifted in time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42783795)

"Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty human!"

My cat must be from the future. Her face says exactly that whenever I pick her up :-)

The second monkey... (1)

rwyoder (759998) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778143)

... was the first monkey's stunt double.

The Monkey's back! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778157)

Says's the Iranian Space Minister, "Get this monkey off my back!"

YUO FAIL 1T? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778167)

the next round of and as BSD sinks VitaLity. like an

no problem (1)

kcmastrpc (2818817) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778215)

if their nuclear scientists are of the same caliber as their graphic artists then we have nothing to fear.

Re:no problem (2)

EdgePenguin (2646733) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778253)

No, for that very reason, we have everything to fear. The Iranians are building reactors on the cheap, without access to western technology, using Russian nuclear engineers who can't get jobs elsewhere. Wikipedia has the nice little factoid that their main weapons reactor is closer to 6 other capital cities other than Tehran.

The largest threat from Iran is likely to be their dangerous incompetence, and this might well apply to their space program also.

Re:no problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42779537)

No, for that very reason, we have everything to fear. The Iranians are building reactors on the cheap, without access to western technology, using Russian nuclear engineers who can't get jobs elsewhere. Wikipedia has the nice little factoid that their main weapons reactor is closer to 6 other capital cities other than Tehran.

The largest threat from Iran is likely to be their dangerous incompetence, and this might well apply to their space program also.

Imagine that....

Good laugh! (2)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778219)

Nations bickering over possibly fraudulent monkey photos put a smile on my face. Many a poo was flung that day that homo sapiens distinguished themselves with productive use of their time.

At first glance (1, Funny)

El Torico (732160) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778225)

I thought it was Ahmadinejad. Wait, the monkey's better groomed, my mistake.

Re:At first glance (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778721)

I thought that the Iranians meant that the photo SHOULD have been of Ahmadinejad, but wasn't, and that he was the one who flew into space and back.

Fuck you (1)

Any Web Loco (555458) | about a year and a half ago | (#42782943)

Fuck you, you rascist wanker.

Re:Fuck you (1)

El Torico (732160) | about a year and a half ago | (#42792757)

OK asswipe, I couldn't just ignore your bullshit. First of all, you don't know me, so your claim of me being a racist is a wildly inaccurate guess. Second, I was called "spic" and other anti-hispanic epithets way before a lot of other Hispanics came to the US and my wife, who was born in India, had to put up with racist crap too. Third, Ahmadinejad is the racist asshole who wants to obliterate an entire ethic group, not me.
I pointed out that Ahmadinejad looks like he hasn't gotten a decent shave or haircut in months and you call me a racist. I've know Iranians who are decent, intelligent, and respectable people - he isn't one of them.
If you dare to respond, it should be an apology.

Re:Fuck you (1)

Any Web Loco (555458) | about a year and a half ago | (#42793219)

"I pointed out that Ahmadinejad looks like he hasn't gotten a decent shave or haircut in months."

No you didn't - you said you mistook the guy for a monkey.

Whether he's a racist, or whether you've experienced racism in your life, is immaterial. You called the guy a monkey.

Wrong monkey again (1)

dmesg0 (1342071) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778241)

The right monkey, named "Ahmadinijad" (Persian for "very ugly ape, even by ape standards"), was too busy hanging innocent apes of homo muslimus genus, and had to stay on earth.

Re:Wrong monkey again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42779753)

Well that "very ugly ape" or ahmadinejad is kicking you but so bad that I can hear your moan from here, anyway how does it feel?, bro

Iranian press is pure comedy (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778323)

I mean, please, just try to tell me this [mod.ir] is real [mod.ir] .

Oblig. Monkeys in Outer Space: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778369)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljmEkWkT5Qc [youtube.com]

It's the only way!

So much propaganda (4, Interesting)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778395)

Here's the explanation given, and apparently some Harvard professor finds it credible:

“I say this with certainty that the monkey is in good health and the space flight didn’t have any physical effect on Pishgam,” Ebrahimi said. “Some of the photos released by one of news agencies were not related to the time of flight. They were archive photos of the monkeys being prepared for the launch.”

Jonathan McDowell, a Harvard astronomer who tracks rocket launchings and space activity, also said this week’s monkey space flight was real, but he had a slightly different explanation for the photo mix-up. He claimed the light gray monkey with the mole died during a failed space mission in 2011.

“The monkey with the mole was the one launched in 2011 that died. The rocket failed. It did not get into space,” McDowell said. “They just mixed that footage with the footage of the 2013 successful launch.”

This sounds plausible to me. My experience of working with news agencies in the west is that they're extremely flaky and news stories are always published in a rush with absolutely minimal fact checking. I'd be surprised if things were much better in Iran. This is hardly

In an ironic meta-fail the article also says, Iran has never confirmed that a monkey died in 2011, or that there was a failed mission that year but that does not appear to be correct [telegraph.co.uk] .

In short, this entire article can be summed up as, "news organization publishes story with some details incorrect, follows up with corrections" - is it really newsworthy?

Re:So much propaganda (2)

Lije Baley (88936) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778643)

Yeah right, and that same Harvard professor still thought it was credible when 30 other students submitted the same explanation.

yes, it's newsworthy (1)

Any Web Loco (555458) | about a year and a half ago | (#42782931)

It's newsworthy because it fits the Western (US mostly) view of Iran as a country to be mocked - all part of the ongoing propaganda campaign that's leading up to Israeli strikes on Iran, backed by the US's big stick, and wholeheartedly supported by an American public that can't see past Fox News.

Have no fear (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778509)

A revolution will ensue and the wrong monkey will soon be replaced with the right one.

Mahmoud looks very handsome in that pic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778649)

re the smiling simian
Mahmoud looks very handsome in that pic. (n/t)
even if it didn't travel in space.

WTF a monkey (1, Funny)

JonWan (456212) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778817)

In a country with thousands of nut jobs willing to blow themselves up for Allah, why a monkey. Just use a would be suicide bomber and launch him. They could have him scream Allah ho Akbar as he's launched.

Re:WTF a monkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42779711)

those crazy suicidal nut jobs come from your beloved friend and oil supplier of yours AKA Saudi Arabia or other allies, not from Iran, how many of 9/11 hijackers where from Iran? can you name one?

Re:WTF a monkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42779951)

Probably the same reason that you Americans sent a monkey too.

Re:WTF a monkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42780929)

The difference is American lives have value.

Re:WTF a monkey (2)

Vitriol+Angst (458300) | about a year and a half ago | (#42781915)

Please note that the suicide bombers are more often coming from people living in the countries of our ALLIES -- like Saudi Arabia.

We've never been directly attacked by Iran. What's the point of having restraint if nobody gives you credit?

I would say that you might have offended some Iranians, but they were probably too busy laughing at you.

CNN monkeys expressing concern (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42778861)

about iranian space ones??

Go ahead, folks! :))

I think there is some monkey business going on (1)

meddle99 (1946010) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778895)

how far can a monkey throw poo in space?

Re:I think there is some monkey business going on (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42779723)

No I smell some western ass burn, who cann't see others

Same funyn story with french space cat (1)

aepervius (535155) | about a year and a half ago | (#42778973)

I cannot remember the name , one was felix the other I can't recall, a female. They were two cats with implanted electrode in the brain to be sent in space. Felix escaped, the female was taken instead. Funnily on the commemorative stamps, they got the picture of the female, and put the male cat name (felix).

Even when a female get an achievement there is a male to steal it ;).

It was felix and felicette (1)

aepervius (535155) | about a year and a half ago | (#42779011)

http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/felix.html [purr-n-fur.org.uk]

"France planned to launch Felix the astronaut cat into space on October 18, 1963, but Felix escaped so they chose another cat, Félicette. The cat had electrodes implanted into her head to measure neural impulses. Félicette was recovered alive, but, due to an accident, the next cat in space was not. The final French animal launches were of two monkeys in March 1967."

felix is above a trigred cat, the female felicette black and white. Although I admit it could simply have been ignorance and taking a cat photo at random rather than archive photo.

"Stylish" primates don't do well in Iran anyway. (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year and a half ago | (#42779205)

I doubt they even sent a monkey up at all. If he knew what was good for him, he'd have scrammed.

I knew it! [mercurynews.com]

Corrected photo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42779269)

A simple misunderstanding. Corrected photo to monkey in question. [wikipedia.org]

Monkey murder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42779943)

Something tells me that monkey was murdered!!!

Smoke and mirrors (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a year and a half ago | (#42780181)

And badly done at that. I wonder whether they even had a space launch, or whether that was faked too. It is also important to remember that Iran is faking being a high-tech nation mostly for their own population. I highly doubt any competent intelligence agency in the rest of the world is fooled even for a minute. On a closer look, Iran is still a backwards theocracy that does not respect individuals or knowledge. It has a big thirst for power though.

Re:Smoke and mirrors (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#42780733)

Right, they're simultaneously laughably incompetent and a serious threat.

Re:Smoke and mirrors (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a year and a half ago | (#42782087)

Indeed. Like a cave-man with a big club.

Ya don't say: (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#42780627)

Somebody's been monkeying around with monkey photos.

Monkey made it back okay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42781141)

The monkey made it back ok, but the bananas were all gone except for a small piece on a copy of the koran. The monkey started nibbling on the pages, and zealots cried out at the blasphemer! The monkey was beheaded for his insolence, and a replacement monkey was brought up, complete with a miniature copy of the koran tatooed on his back. The new monkey was also trained to point toward Mecca 5 times per day, and looked like he might be a good candidiate for suicide bomb suit.

footage of landing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42782027)

here is footage of landing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8gnoJN7XU8

Respawn artifact (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42783825)

In real life, when a monkey respawns, it looks a little different.

Lying in Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42783875)

Anything from muslims to non-muslims simply can't be trusted (nicluding sending up monkeys into "space")

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Lying

Muslims are *obliged* to lie if of advantage to muslims.

Monkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42786897)

Uh, huh, yeah, sure, you betcha. And I'll be a monkey's uncle....

News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42787291)

What will the onion do next?

One more monkey (1)

iMactheKnife (2556934) | about a year and a half ago | (#42793295)

Ahmedinejad wants to be their next monkey. He qualifies.

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  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>