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Apple Angers Mac Users With Silent Shutdown of Java 7

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the a-thief-in-the-night dept.

Java 451

An anonymous reader writes in with news of the continuing saga of Java patches and exploits. "If you're a Mac user who suddenly can't access websites or run applications that rely on Java, you're not alone. For the second time in a month, Apple has silently blocked the latest version of Java 7 from running on OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard or higher via its XProtect anti-malware tool. Apple hasn't issued any official statements advising users of the change or its reasons, but it's a safe bet that the company has deemed Oracle's most recent update to Java insecure. That's why the company stealthily disabled Java on Macs back on Jan. 10, the same day a Java vulnerability was being exploited in the wild."

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Good for them. (-1, Troll)

zixxt (1547061) | about a year ago | (#42780429)

This what happens when you lock yourself in to the fascist mindset of Apple.

Re:Good for them. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780469)

This is why I run GNU Hurd, the only truly free operating system, on my Lemote Yeeloong. My freedom is incredible. I can run ls and cat and EVERYTHING. I look forward to support for manpages in 2017.

Re:Good for them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780789)

hahahaha

Re:Good for them. (4, Interesting)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year ago | (#42780559)

Ehm, doesn't Firefox also block vulnerable versions of Java? I guess maybe they are fascist as well.

Re:Good for them. (5, Informative)

countach (534280) | about a year ago | (#42780661)

Two issues. Firstly Apple didn't just disable web applets. They disabled Java Web Start too, so whole corporations and government departments are suddently shut down. Secondly, they didn't provide any announcement, or a gui tool to re-enable at your own risk. It was just nuke everyone in silence.

Re:Good for them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780803)

Two issues. Firstly Apple didn't just disable web applets. They disabled Java Web Start too, so whole corporations and government departments are suddently shut down.

Please. Name one government department that would be 100% affected by an OSX vuln.

The government has their head shoved so far up Microsoft's ass that they know what Bill had for breakfast.

Re:Good for them. (3, Informative)

sjames (1099) | about a year ago | (#42780819)

Firefox implemented 'click to play' for Java, Silverlight, and Flash. That just means that it only runs them is the user specifically requests it. There's a big difference between blocking outright and suggesting strongly not running it and then letting the user decide.

Re:Good for them. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780651)

a) it's old news
b) both the Java 7 (from Oracle) and Java 6 (from Apple) updates that address this are already out . Is the new motto Recycling obselete news that matters ;)
c) if you want to opt out from Xprotect, how to guides abound
d)it's the Safari plugin only - other browsers are not effected
e) Apple have pulled the trigger on Xprotect maybe 4 times in 3 years, its not like they are shotgunning

The vulnerabilities from Java 7 were hideously large, and Apple probably did the right thing for the 99 percent who don't know any better. Driveby root access isn't all that fun for the target.

The 1 percent who care, can disable Xprotect temporarily if they want to.

For anyone in between, they could always use another browser.

If you are using a Mac , you are not generally the IT equivalent of a Yukon Frontiersman

Re:Good for them. (1)

mug funky (910186) | about a year ago | (#42780845)

well, on one hand i think big software companies really need to get their act together (java especially!) and fill in the wholes before releasing. a certain amount of unforseen patching is probably needed, but with something that's not used very often like Java (not used often = once a week or so at work) we run up against the very annoying problem of updating a boatload of things every time you run it.

given the fanatical dependence mac users have on their apple masters, if i were apple i'd want to disable as much third party stuff as possible that stands a chance of making me look bad.

in windows land, every fault is blamed on windows, when most problems are either third party software or third party drivers. with apple it's the same, though they have more (too much?) control over what runs, and so can do something about it.

i'd be on Oracle's case to fix their shit so they don't have to keep releasing patches that appear to be introducing more holes for spamfucks to crawl through.

Run Linux (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780433)

If you ran Linux you wouldn't have to worry about software not being able to run.

Re:Run Linux (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about a year ago | (#42780535)

Unfortunately not entirely true. Mozilla has been taking it upon themselves to decide which java plugins you can and can't use. Obviously its just the plugin and nothing FF or Seamonkey does affects local java code from using whatever JRE I happen to have installed. Still I think its an over-reach.

Fortuitously both are open source and it would be pretty trivial to disable that version check and do my own build if I needed to do so; but I would still say I am not pleased. Really they should just offer a warning or something and let you continue.

It should not be the case but lets face reality here there thousands of Java applications out there that only work correctly on specific platform releases. If you depend on these and your main system is a Mac you might be really screwed by this. Do any Mac users know if you can override? If you can does it mean you have to give up functionality like disabling XProtect entirely?

Re:Run Linux (2)

vlm (69642) | about a year ago | (#42780693)

It should not be the case but lets face reality here there thousands of Java applications out there that only work correctly on specific platform releases. If you depend on these and your main system is a Mac you might be really screwed by this.

Here let me help summarize

It should not be the case but lets face reality here there thousands of Java applications out there that only work correctly on specific platform releases. If you depend on these ... you might be really screwed....

Re:Run Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780717)

What does that have to do with Linux?

Re:Run Linux (5, Informative)

dririan (1131339) | about a year ago | (#42780817)

Almost all of the plugins are soft blocked. They'll be automatically disabled when you start Fx, but you can easily re-enable them without patching or updating anything. In fact, the same dialog that tells you about the soft block lets you uncheck "Disable" to prevent it from being disabled. Very nearly all plugins that are blacklisted are soft blocked. Their criteria for hard blocking plugins (which means the plugin cannot be re-enabled) is that the plugin either "is malicious" or "a soft-block will not resolve the issue in question, such as a start-up crash". See Mozilla's wiki [mozilla.org] for more information, especially the sections "A High Bar", "Block Conditions", and "Block Severity".

Please don't spread misinformation and FUD about Mozilla's blocklisting when it really is done properly.

Re:Run Linux (3, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year ago | (#42780547)

If you ran Linux you wouldn't have to worry about software not being able to run.

10/10. This is how proper trolling is done.

Re:Run Linux (0)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about a year ago | (#42780549)

If you ran Linux you wouldn't have to worry about software not being able to run.

Really? I recently upgraded from Ubuntu 12.04 to 12.10 and was greeted with a long sequence of crashing software the instant I logged in for the first time. I then switched to Fedora 18-64 after giving up on Fedora 17-64 a few months ago when it refused to boot on my desktop box. Fedora is an improvement, I'm probably the only Linux user in the known universe who actually likes Gnome 3 and it's certainly way snappier and less bug-ridden than Gnome 3/Unity is on Ubuntu. So far the Fedora updater is the only thing that has crashed on me. I'm not holding my breath expecting Fedora to handle the upgrade from F18 to F19 better than Ubuntu did the upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 but until that turd hits the fan I'm happy. Generally speaking though, my user experience with upgrading from OS X 10.4 through 10.5, 10.6 and 10.7 to the current OS X 10.8 has been way smoother.

So you were able to run Linux. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780625)

Just not 12.10.

PS what is it with all you idiots talking about that one? It's been how long since we've all found out the release was a bit shite?

Yet still you come along with a story about how you have just changed over and it got all wrong.

Either
a) old news, you've whined time and time again about it. You've got your fix now shut the fuck up or we'll bring up apple failures from bloody years ago and see how you like it
b) made up, because you know it's both believable (because of the history of 12.10) and never going to be verified
c) redundant, you used to have this problem then either Ubuntu fixed it a couple of weeks later, but you still want mileage out of it, or you moved to some other distro. But still want more mileage out of it.

I'm figuring (b) myself.

Re:So you were able to run Linux. (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about a year ago | (#42780745)

Just not 12.10.

PS what is it with all you idiots talking about that one? It's been how long since we've all found out the release was a bit shite?

Yet still you come along with a story about how you have just changed over and it got all wrong.

Either
a) old news, you've whined time and time again about it. You've got your fix now shut the fuck up or we'll bring up apple failures from bloody years ago and see how you like it
b) made up, because you know it's both believable (because of the history of 12.10) and never going to be verified
c) redundant, you used to have this problem then either Ubuntu fixed it a couple of weeks later, but you still want mileage out of it, or you moved to some other distro. But still want more mileage out of it.

I'm figuring (b) myself.

No, I actually did this and that is a real story. If i'ts any consolation the upgrade from 11.04 to 12.04 also blew up in my face although not as badly as the upgrade to 12.10. If I was lying I would have posted AC... like you.

Old News (5, Informative)

swimboy (30943) | about a year ago | (#42780439)

Update 13 is already out, and *not* blocked by Apple. All that's blocked are the old, insecure (well, more insecure) versions.

Re:Old News (2)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | about a year ago | (#42780455)

Not blocked... yet.

Re:Old News (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year ago | (#42780577)

If there are security vulnerabilities discovered in update 13 then it will likely be blocked as well.

Re:Old News (4, Interesting)

exomondo (1725132) | about a year ago | (#42780643)

If there are security vulnerabilities discovered in update 13 then it will likely be blocked as well.

So why don't they block older versions of their operating systems when they have vulnerabilities? That one in iOS where you could root the device from a website was pretty severe, seems if their goal is protecting the user from malicious software they probably should have blocked that from the app store and other services until the users updated.

Re:Old News (4, Funny)

msauve (701917) | about a year ago | (#42780657)

"Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideologyâ"where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests purveying contradictory truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death, and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!" - Apple

Re:Old News (1, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#42780755)

Update 13 is already out, and *not* blocked by Apple. All that's blocked are the old, insecure (well, more insecure) versions.

Except all the corporate java apps rely on Java 1.4,5, and 6. I use Java 6 for Android SDK. It wont run on anything else. Java 7 is terrible and not as good as the more stable and secure version 6 which is mature. Does Cisco WebEX use Java 7 yet? I use Java 6 for that as well.

If I owned a Mac I would BE PISSED OFF. I am not stupid and know how to disable it for web browsing, but many apps use older java versions.

Re:Old News (5, Informative)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | about a year ago | (#42780809)

I am not stupid and know how to disable it for web browsing, but many apps use older java versions.

First, I'm not sure why Slashdot chose to run this article as opposed to any of dozens of others that actually explain the situation better, not that it matters because nobody reads them. Apple is not blocking Java applications. They are blocking only the plug-in. Further, from what I've read, they were not blocking Java 6, only insecure (well, more insecure) versions of Java 7 applets. Additionally, you can get around this with just about any Web browser besides Safari. Finally, at the moment, at least, the latest version of the plug-in is once again perfectly capable of running.

For competent reporting on this subject, see, among others, the MacRumors article about the most recent block [macrumors.com] .

Re:Old News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780899)

[rant deleted]

If I owned a Mac I would BE PISSED OFF.

In other words, you are PISSED OFF even though you don't even own a Mac and therefore cannot be affected by this. There's no pleasing some people.

Good (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780451)

Oracle is probably the greediest company on the planet.

Re:Good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780483)

I wish more companies would follow Apple's lead and take an activist position against this companies abuses.

Re:Good (0)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | about a year ago | (#42780487)

Java... free. VirtualBox... free. Oracle Linux... free. How can you say they're greedy?

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780517)

Read the EULA - you forfeit your soul by using them.

Re:Good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780523)

be be becuzzzz they're not Apple and and and Apple is goood even though they fuck us all over every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every year of every centu. well when they've been around a century, I'm sure they'll still be fucking us over really good

oh to be fucked by apple - no other company has fucked me over this well...

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780545)

Security holes that look like goatse... free. A vendor-specific Linux distribution as a precursor to lock-in... free. PeopleSoft... not even free.

Sorry, can't diss VirtualBox :)

Re:Good (1)

vlm (69642) | about a year ago | (#42780739)

Sorry, can't diss VirtualBox :)

Its USB support isn't free. Donno why, don't care, just find it to be a PITA.

Whats the one reason a linux guy wants to run virtual windows, besides games? Well, weirdo USB hardware like programming proprietary radio memories, or burning eproms in a USB eprom burner or whatever other USB peripheral madness you can imagine. I've got an old Windoze only USB film scanner. Not that I have much film left to scan.... Come on guys, make it easier?

Re:Good (1)

leenks (906881) | about a year ago | (#42780783)

Try buying a licence for it so you can use the USB pass through support in a commercial context. Nada.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780567)

Java... free. VirtualBox... free. Oracle Linux... free. How can you say they're greedy?

Hey man, you get this ounce for free... I'm not greedy like the other n****z.... trust me...

Re:Good (5, Informative)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about a year ago | (#42780599)

Java... free. VirtualBox... free. Oracle Linux... free. How can you say they're greedy?

On Windows, Java installs the Ask Toolbar (for now - other times it installs other shit) every time it updates to a new version unless the user realizes Oracle is a two bit hole in the wall company and unchecks the default boxes to opt out. That's greedy. To an even greater extent that's sleazy and just...trashy.

Re:Good (2)

bearded_yak (457170) | about a year ago | (#42780667)

...Oracle [...] unchecks the default boxes to opt out. That's greedy. To an even greater extent that's sleazy and just...trashy.

Thank you! It's amazing how many customers bring in their computers for a tuneup who have no idea how they got the Ask toolbar. Granted it is just as much the user's fault for not reading, but at the same time, the user puts a lot of trust in such a major-name product and shouldn't have to worry about having something slipped by them.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780877)

Not greedy? How about every piece of software they have being dual licensed (MySQL, VirtualBox, Oracle Linux, Java, etc) ? What happened to the good ol' GPL? GPL clearly says you cannot distribute a derivative work without disclosing its source code. Not mentioning that the only _free_ thing about Java are some of the free implementations by Java (all based on Sun's previous code, not Oracle's - link here [wikipedia.org] . The bottom line: if you plan on using any of Oracle's technologies on any Open Source Project you're working on, you better have a commercial license (aka buy the thing from them). This is not my definition of free.

Re:Good (0)

John Hasler (414242) | about a year ago | (#42780571)

> Oracle is probably the greediest company on the planet.

Since Apple is clearly not from this planet and Microsoft inhabits its own universe...

Oh no, I can't run Java applets?! (5, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year ago | (#42780465)

Without Java applets, my plan to time travel back to 1997 and surf the web is completely ruined!

Re:Oh no, I can't run Java applets?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780557)

Who is actually mad about this?
Like, when is the last time someone chose to run a java on a desktop?

Re:Oh no, I can't run Java applets?! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780919)

my broker's software won't work without it... so fuck you you nerdy IT cunt. go play in the sandbox the real men (scientists and engineers) built for you

Re:Oh no, I can't run Java applets?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780699)

Not really fun, a lot of corps have internal software that runs with java in the browser. It's a easy way to do things, but apple doesn't give a crap and shuts it down anyway just because they think they know best for everyone, instead of just offering the option to turn off java, and they didn't even have the decency to tell anyone they were going to do it.

Re:Oh no, I can't run Java applets?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780705)

And your plans to play minecraft in the present day.

Re:Oh no, I can't run Java applets?! (1)

hendridm (302246) | about a year ago | (#42780749)

You could always e-mail copies of web sites to yourself and view them in Microsoft Outlook's HTML renderer which has almost non-existant CSS support.

Re:Oh no, I can't run Java applets?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780811)

Oh my ability to log into my Qlogic fibre switches. But, y'know, that's not as important as your GeoCities page.

Re:Oh no, I can't run Java applets?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780851)

In Denmark you cannot log into online banking or goverment pages (tax reports) without the java browser add-on. They have danish standard "secure" login java applet called nem id (danish for "easy id") - oh the irony In Norway it is more or less the same, in Norway the java applet is called "Bank ID". A fun fact is that the only way to log on to banks in Denmark if you do not want to install java is to buy an ipad and install an ios applet that does not rely on java. I wonder why they can manage to code a native app for ios but not for OSX/WIN/Linux - oh yes I know is Java so is it code once run on all platforms.. wohhahaha haha

I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything.. (1, Interesting)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#42780467)

But How is it ok for apple to disable software on MY computer, without my permission? I never told apple I wanted XX blocked, so apple should not know I have XX running to begin with. IF apple is blocking XX from my computer, without my permission, then is apple breaking any laws? unauthorized access to a PC for example? As My sig says, im sure its hidden in the EULA somewhere that apple can do this but to me, it is apple breaking into MY PC, and disabling software. That just makes me wonder what else apple has access to???

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (5, Informative)

SteveTheNewbie (1171139) | about a year ago | (#42780493)

You do realise you can disable this right?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4762386?start=0&tstart=0 [apple.com]

Quite amazing what a google search for 'disable XProtect' turns up..

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (-1, Troll)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#42780527)

I dont actually use a mac, for this very reason so no I did not know I could disable it. how many other mac users know they can disable apple watching their PCs without them knowing about it? how many of them even know apple is monitoring their PCs?? I am not a fan of regulation but one where companies who sell electronic devices must have these types of things opt in rather than opt out would be a great first step.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780591)

But at least you didn't let the fact that you don't know shit about shit stop you from talking!

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (2)

dugancent (2616577) | about a year ago | (#42780593)

It's monitoring in the same sense that antivirus software is monitoring.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year ago | (#42780609)

What is actually the problem here? This is no different from a regular antivirus/antimalware software update. Most users will find it valuable that vulnerable plugins are disabled until the user actively reenables them.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#42780669)

Maybe im just so stuck on the privacy issues going on in the industry today that I am lumping in something unrelated. It is possible. I dont like that windows "phones home" (niether does anyone here) so why is this ok to many here based on the thread so far??

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780723)

It doesn't phone home in the sense that it sends no information about your computer to Apple. It just downloads the latest list of blacklisted software from Apple, and then *locally* it blocks any of the listed applications/plugins from being loaded/started. As others have said: it is no different from auto-updating anti-virus definitions.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#42780777)

again, If i run a 3rd party monitoring system, I allowed them into my system. If this is on by default, then I am not sure I am ok with this.. What if apple decides one day that they dont want YY running on macs anymore (they have remote wiped IOS apps that were not "harmful" in the past) they have that ability. I am sure most mac users dont even know about this. I asked a few of my friends who are die hard mac users in the past hour if they knew about this they had no idea.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780911)

they have remote wiped IOS apps that were not "harmful" in the past

Citation Needed.

I am not aware of Apple ever "remote wiping" any iOS apps, in fact the mechanism to do that has never been proven to exist. Apple has pulled apps from the App Store before, but if you've already downloaded it you get to keep it and use it to your hearts content. Just can't re-download it.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (2)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#42780769)

Depends on how it works, if it sends a list of installed software to Apple to check it's bad, but if it downloads a list of plugin signatures to disable because they're outdated and insecure that's not any worse or different than the antivirus downloading virus signatures. I don't see the privacy implications of that, would you elaborate?

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (5, Informative)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#42780843)

Depends on how it works, if it sends a list of installed software to Apple to check it's bad, but if it downloads a list of plugin signatures to disable because they're outdated and insecure that's not any worse or different than the antivirus downloading virus signatures. I don't see the privacy implications of that, would you elaborate?

Apple has been using a blacklist that is updated daily to stop dangerous software from running. It is mostly used against trojans, but also to block Java running as a Safari plugin, which has some rather serious exploits (basically, an applet can replace the default Java security manager with its own, and from then on anything goes), _and_ it is known that these exploits are actually for sale.

So there are no privacy problems whatsoever, and while blocking Java applets might be annoying, the alternative would be highly dangerous. By the way, Oracle has released a new software version fixing about 50 security problems, which is not blocked.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (1)

John Hasler (414242) | about a year ago | (#42780801)

I dont like that windows "phones home" (niether does anyone here)

It doesn't bother me at all. You know why? Because I don't use Windows. You don't have to use it either. If you choose to do so, well, that's your choice. I have no objection to that, but I do get a little sick of people griping about the consequences of their own actions.

And that includes the "privacy issues".

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (1)

swillden (191260) | about a year ago | (#42780621)

companies who sell electronic devices must have these types of things opt in rather than opt out

Opt-in security on mass-market devices generally equates to no security. I don't like Apple's walled garden approach, but I think secure-by-default is the right decision.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#42780815)

AS LONG as the information is presented in a way that users know what they are giving up. Meaning a fully secured system is close to useless because the onyl secure system is an unplugged system. We all know this, we are here on /. now having said that. In this day it is only right for these things to be made aware to the user. Instead of silently removing java, How about a popup explaining why it was disabled and options the user has? or a popup explaining that java is vulnerable, do you want to block it or continue to let it run. Silently blocking ANYTHING is wrong. just as silently installing anything is wrong.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780503)

All your bytes are belong to Apple.

If you don't like it, run OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, Hurd or some other not-corporately-pwned OS.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (1)

drcagn (715012) | about a year ago | (#42780581)

What browser do you run on OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, or Hurd? If you said Firefox (the usual default browser in most distros)... guess what? Mozilla blocked Java too!

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780725)

but they make it easy and obvious how to turn it back on. Apple hides everything away.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780537)

Your keystrokes, for example. The operating system contains a keylogger [slashdot.org] .

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780553)

How dare updates alter behavior! It's your fault for clicking update. Where is the outrage over Windows update changing behavior? Where is the outrage when sudo apt-get update alters the OS? OMG! OMG! OMG!

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780555)

LOL @ Apple breaking into your computer! Did they hack your password?

No? Oh wait their security app did what security apps do.... Hmmm... Guess you should take the advice above and run GNU Hurd on your Geentoo Leemvox so you can have total freedom.

Re:I sure the EULA will tell me I cant do anything (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about a year ago | (#42780821)

it is apple breaking into MY PC

so if you have automatic updates on - in any operating system or application - that means your system is getting 'broken into'?

Fuck Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780471)

If you write Java, to hell with you. Worst language on the planet.

Re:Fuck Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780679)

Pfft. It's no worse than any other of the c family of languages. Bad syntax and ill-thought out semantics as all of them are.

Re:Fuck Java (1)

leenks (906881) | about a year ago | (#42780807)

Given the recent problems are due problems in the class library, how do you conclude the language is at fault?

Java compilation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780489)

Alright this may be a dumb question but does this have any effect on compiling with the most recent version of java in osx? I generally use boot camp for Windows when I do android development, but if I do make something on the osx side I don't want to run into any problems :p

This Mac user not angered. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780521)

It would have been really irresponsible for them to allow it to be used given what we know about the threat.

Re:This Mac user not angered. (1)

Indigo (2453) | about a year ago | (#42780615)

It would be more responsible to give users a choice on the matter. Especially for those using Macs for work, teleworking, etc where not running Java may not be an option. Fine, disable it by default to be safe, but give an option to re-enable it besides Googling for random XProtect plist hacks.

Re:This Mac user not angered. (3, Informative)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year ago | (#42780645)

There is very little reason to offer such option since users should not use vulnerable versions of plugins. The plugin vendor should fix the problem and update the plugin.

Anger whom ? physicists ? (1)

burni2 (1643061) | about a year ago | (#42780565)

Those people which rely heavily on using java applets(*) .. and well that must be .. malware devellopers and physicists that actually try to teach physicists in an understandable way.

And I only sympathise with the physicists!

(*)(there indeed are some java applicatIONS that are very good, Jdownloader, JBidwatcher2, for example, and well eclipse)

And what about Mozilla? (1)

drcagn (715012) | about a year ago | (#42780569)

Mozilla did the same thing with blocking Java on Firefox on January 10th.

Java 7 Update 13 is out already and works on Macs again anyway.

I'm Pretty Sure They Just Needed An Excuse (0)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year ago | (#42780575)

Java never really did seem to be high on Apple's list of priorities. Apple is where you get Java for OSX from, not Oracle, and the couple of times I actually wanted to do something with Java on an Apple system (For Minecraft) the system really put up a fight before running it. I'd given up on trying to do any sort of Java development on it a couple years earlier, but I wasn't really trying that hard to get it to work that time.I suppose it'd kind of suck if you have a corporate OSX deployment and need to serve java applets up with it or something, but that idea is almost as implausible as needing java for any web page at this point.

Re:I'm Pretty Sure They Just Needed An Excuse (5, Informative)

FreakyGeeky (23009) | about a year ago | (#42780697)

Your information is woefully out of date. Oracle is where you get Java for OS X, and it's been that way for a couple years.

Re:I'm Pretty Sure They Just Needed An Excuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780759)

No, these days you get Java from Oracle.

Re:I'm Pretty Sure They Just Needed An Excuse (1)

leenks (906881) | about a year ago | (#42780823)

No. Apple do not provide Java any longer. Oracle is where you get Java for OSX from. Historically you got Java from Apple - and it was BIG on their list of priorities - it was a major part of the platform (WebObjects).

Larry Ellison: Greedist Person in the World (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780579)

Presenting America's Top Ten Greediest of 2012: http://truth-out.org/news/item/13607-presenting-americas-top-ten-greediest-of-2012

2. Larry Ellison: Collecting Oceanfront

Oracle software CEO Larry Ellison has earned, over the years, almost a permanent spot on our top-ten greediest list. His basic corporate m.o.— buy out his rivals, grab their customers, fire their workers — has never changed.

But Ellison, the sixth-richest man in the world, has turned over a new leaf of sorts. He’s actually sharing the wealth. The catch? He’s only sharing with his sidekicks. In the fiscal year that ended this past May 31, Oracle presidents Safra Catz and Mark Hurd each took home $51.7 million.

And Ellison? His 2012 pay: $96.2 million. His total fortune? Forbes tabs that at $41 billion.

The 10 Greediest Americans of 2011: http://www.nationofchange.org/10-greediest-americans-2011-1324167294

3. Larry Ellison, Oracle CEO

The top exec at business software giant Oracle collected $77.6 million for the fiscal year that ended this past May 31.That piece of change added less than two-tenths of 1 percent to Ellison's $39.5 billion personal fortune, the world's fifth largest.

America’s Greediest: The 2010 Top Ten: http://toomuchonline.org/americas-greediest-the-2010-top-ten/

2/ Larry Ellison: How dare we call him ruthless

Larry EllisonMark Hurd has shown himself to be a whiz at the merge-and-purge corporate CEO two-step. But the master of that merger two-step — snatch a rival’s customers, then fire its workers — has always been Oracle chief executive Larry Ellison, the third-richest man in America.

Oracle has bought out 66 companies over the years, and Ellison, the Wall Street Journal estimates, has collected $1.84 billion in compensation just the last ten years alone. But Oracle’s chief started this past year out vowing to change his ways.

In January, after consummating a $7.4 billion takeover of Sun Microsystems, Ellison had “We’re Hiring” buttons handed out at the news conference to announce the deal — and then royally denounced a news report that Oracle would be axing half of Sun’s 27,600 workers.

“Those who wrote this should be ashamed of themselves,” Ellison ranted. “The truth is, we are going to hire about 2,000 new people to beef up the Sun businesses — about twice as many as we will let go.”

The truth turned out to be anything but. Five months later, with no fanfare, an Oracle filing with the federal Securities and Exchange Commission revealed that the company was taking a huge severance write-off for personnel reductions. As many as 8,600 jobs, one analyst calculated, would be history.

America's Greediest People: Larry Ellison heads up a list full of no-good rich folks: http://www.newser.com/story/76753/americas-greediest-people.html

1. Larry Ellison: The really galling part isn’t the fortune he spent on his yacht—including $10 million for the mast alone. It’s that the Oracle CEO contested the $166.3 million tax appraisal on his mansion, ultimately costing local schools $250,000 a year.

Oracle CEO Larry Ellison To Receive $198 Million Thanks To Fiscal Cliff: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/03/larry-ellison-fiscal-cliff_n_2233930.html

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Oracle Corp. will pay three of next year's quarterly dividends this year in an apparent attempt to avoid possible tax hikes for its investors.

The software company said Monday that it will pay dividends for the second, third and fourth quarters of 2013, totaling 18 cents per share, on Dec. 21 to shareholders of record as of Dec. 14.

Oracle is the latest of a string of companies that have moved up quarterly payouts or issued a special end-of-year payment to protect investors from potentially having to pay higher taxes on dividend income starting in January.

Since 2003 investors have paid a maximum 15 percent on dividend income. But that historically low rate will expire in January unless Congress and President Barack Obama reach a compromise on taxes and government spending. As it stands, dividends will be taxed as ordinary income in 2013, the same as wages, so rates will go up depending on which income bracket a taxpayer is in. For the highest earners, the dividend rate would jump to 43.4 percent.

Oracle said that its CEO Larry Ellison, who is also the company's largest shareholder, did not participate in the vote leading to this decision.

Ellison holds roughly 1.1 billion shares of the company's stock, according to FactSet. That would entitle him to an estimated dividend payment of $198.9 million.

Oracle's shares rose 14 cents to close at $32.31 in the regular session. They fell 16 cents in after-hours trading.

Apart from Jobs you mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780675)

Well, when Jobs was alive, that is...

Just fucking SAY Apple-wads!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780595)

If you're taking Java7 out because it has an exploit, then FUCKING SAY YOU'RE DOING IT!

Then people will know what the hell is going on and can ignore the update request and revisit when there's a patch.

But no, your users are far too fucking STUPID, right?

After all, you're marketers, not coders and all marketers *know* that the plebs who buy stuff are nimrods. Look at the adverts they create to suck these users in for proof of how much contempt for the people who buy the stuff is.

You know what's worse?

They're so vastly right, you can't even say they're wrong!

Look at how apple creates rabid fanbase. fucking loonies the lot of 'em. Look at them on here, defending this fucking REALLY STUPID BRAINDEAD idea!

Pushback is so weaksauce they can ignore it and of those complaining, most are so bought into "teh apehl" they'll complain, but won't actually change a damn thing they do.

The only ones as nuts over that as apple fans are the bloody steamers. It's like you're NOT ALLOWED to have any reason to reject steam and if you do YOU'RE WRONG!!!!.

Bunch of mongrel idiots the lot of 'em.

Not blocked... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780597)

WTF is up with the old news on slashdot? Java 7 Update 13 came out the day after this "block" went into affect. Update 13 is NOT blocked and fixes the relevant vulnerabilities:

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/02/01/oracle-releases-java-7-update-13-to-address-security-issues-reenable-web-plug-in-on-os-x/

Billionaire Jerk Larry Ellison (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42780605)

Trees grow. Oracle CEO Larry Ellison doesn't like trees obscuring his view and he will attempt to bury you with legal fees if your tree obstructs his precious view: http://thevileplutocrat.com/bile/articles/billionaire-jerk-larry-ellison/

Larry Ellison is a bully with the money to make your life miserable if he doesn't get what he wants.

        In a trial set to begin June 6, the billionaire plans to take his downhill neighbors, the Von Bothmers, to state Superior Court in San Francisco over how trees in their yard have obstructed his floor-to-ceiling window views of San Francisco Bay. The court date follows a lawsuit Mr. Ellison filed last June alleging he will suffer "irreparable injury" from lost property value if the court doesn't make the Von Bothmers cut their trees in order to "restore Plaintiff's views and sunlight."

Irreparable injury? He's actually playing the victim card?

Ellison has gone so far overboard with his entitled moaning that he has hired a lawyer who specializes in "tree and neighbor" law to fight his case against the Von Bothmers.

The trees in question are three redwoods and an 80-year old acacia.

According to Mrs. Von Bothmers's deposition, she actually has photos showing workers hired by Ellison strapped in her redwoods with the intent to cut the tree tops off illegally. Of course, Mr. Ellison denies ever having hired anyone nor directed anyone to illegally enter the Von Bothmers's yard and cut anything down. There is apparently a gang of tree top vandals plaguing the wealthiest neighborhoods in San Francisco.

Ellison has made two attempts to purchase the Von Bothmers home simply to cut the trees down, offering up to $15 million (double the home's value). Both offers have been rejected. In fact, Mrs. Bothmer is so resilient that she has petitioned the city of San Francisco to protect her beautiful accacia as a "Landmark Tree".

Meanwhile, Mr. Ellison has been so deranged over his partially blocked view that he decided to purchase the home of late socialite/fashionista/philanthropist Dodie Rosekrans at 2840 Broadway in San Francisco - immediately next door to his - for $40 million.

Wow... Apple can't catch a break... (5, Insightful)

thestudio_bob (894258) | about a year ago | (#42780653)

Wow... Apple can't catch a break... You know damn well people would be bitching if they hadn't done this... Apple Fails To Disable Java 7. Millions of Macs Vulnerable. News at 11.

Re:Wow... Apple can't catch a break... (3, Insightful)

Phelony (2628303) | about a year ago | (#42780735)

*Apple* fails to disable Java so Macs are vulnerable? So Oracle is not responsible for Java making Macs vulnerable??? It's Apple's fault??? Huh???

Still not working on 10.6 (4, Informative)

g1powermac (812562) | about a year ago | (#42780713)

The summary is incorrect with saying Apple blocked Java 7 on 10.6. Actually, Snow Leopard can't run the new Java from Oracle, it can only run the Apple version of it which is still the 6 series. With this last round of blocking, Apple also blocked their own version on Snow Leopard and Apple has not yet released an update for it last time I checked. Now, in my opinion, this whole blocking thing without notice was extremely unprofessional and made me disappointed in Apple, and that's coming from a Mac fan. I got hit with it the other day and spent hours trying to figure out why in the world Java wasn't working on my machines. Ended up finding a work around editing a .plist file using a console text editor. Definitely not a solution for anyone not familiar with the command line.

Re:Still not working on 10.6 (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#42780867)

Is 6 still supported with patches? Oracle is so desperate to EOL it but practically any java software relies on it and can't run on Java 7. I am thankful I did not get a mac as I chose a PC for Android development. Android SDk wont run on anything newer than java 6.

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