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AMD Publishes Open-Source Radeon HD 8000 Series Driver

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the getting-out-ahead-of-the-game dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The hardware hasn't been released yet, but AMD has made available early open-source Linux GPU driver patches for supporting the future Radeon HD 8000 series graphics cards. At this time the Radeon HD 8800 'Oland' series is supported with the Mesa, DRM, X.Org, and kernel modifications. From the driver perspective, not many modifications are needed to build upon the Radeon HD 7000 series support."

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Hey AMD Nice Job (-1, Troll)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800663)

Does the driver not completely suck yet?

I don't buy AMD GPUs because they're typically crashy horrid clusterfucks with terrible drivers.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (2)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800885)

All those eyes looking at it will have it fixed up in no time.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801261)

Yeah, that totally happened the last time AMD/ATI put out an open source driver.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (4, Interesting)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801097)

Steam arriving on Linux has caused them to make significant improvements to the fglrx drivers. For example in the latest Linux beta driver changelog there's "up to 300% performance improvement in Team Fortress 2".

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (3, Interesting)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801187)

Oh and by the way, if you didn't know, HL1 beta [steamcommunity.com] for Linux is out. :)

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42805981)

Already played it through again with intel HD 2500. No crashes and smooth fps. "Gordon Freeman in the flesh or should I say in the hazard suit."

If intel can more than double its GPU perf on Haswell GT3, come summer there's no need for AMD/ATI anymore. Not even for the APUs, the only foothold they have left on PC. It is easy choice to pick the GPU that comes with the most efficient CPU and manufacturer committed to bring only open source drivers.

Buggy half hearted 'alternatives' to badly working closed source binaries, dropping support to perfectly fine GPUs.. I bought Ati HD4770 when it came out and now it is 'legacy'. GDDR5 memory and 40nm process is legacy? I like that card, but I hate the drivers and the attitude of AMD/ATI. I don't want to give my money to a company that artificially EoLs stuff with closed source drivers.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (1)

neokushan (932374) | about a year and a half ago | (#42807649)

HD4770 dates back to 2008. It's a 5 year old card. 5 years is an eternity in the IT industry. All the driver updates in the world aren't going to help that.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42810345)

And that game is even older. NVIDIA/ATI will still be needed for newer stuff, Integrated GPU on CPU w/shared memory is not going to cut it.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (1)

RoboJ1M (992925) | about a year and a half ago | (#42806365)

I did not.
I'm going home now.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (1)

MCmZC2tptCNY (2817011) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801405)

This has nothing to do with fglrx.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (0)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year and a half ago | (#42802429)

Too bad Dota 2 still doesn't run well in WINE using fglrx. I'm done with AMD/ATI after I replace my current card (HD 6970). I don't care that their driver situation is slowly getting better, it's still complete garbage compaired to the nvidia offerings.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (1)

higuita (129722) | about a year and a half ago | (#42806577)

a stupid question... is the problem with the fglrx or wine? does the game run well on wine with a nvidia card (on the same distro+cpu). have you tried to contact wine with the problem, if its really just a fglrx, its might be a bug in wine, calling a nvidia only extension.

Also, what is talked here is the open source drivers (radeon), not the close source ones (fglrx), so dont mix the two.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year and a half ago | (#42808503)

GGP mentioned fglrx drivers, so I continued that conversation. I'm well aware of the difference.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (0)

jafac (1449) | about a year and a half ago | (#42804143)

really? I wonder when they're going to fix the installer, so it doesn't render my machine into an unstable black-screen? Well - at least I am still handy with bash. . .

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42805091)

That is if your card is still supported. I have a not that old motherboard with built in ATI RS880 [Radeon HD 4250] and Debian gave me a wonderful "This card has had support dropped, do you still want to install?"

Meanwhile my nVidia GT210 twice as old is still cranking along just fine with the latest nVidia and VDPAU updates.

Guess who is getting my next bit of money to?

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (1)

bmcage (785177) | about a year and a half ago | (#42806625)

Is this not why they open source it? So the radeon/ati driver can take over? For me that works great.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42806677)

I'm not a software engineer. I don't @#(* care about it being "Open Source". I just want it to work. NVIDIA does. My experience with AMD/ATI is that it does not.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (2)

higuita (129722) | about a year and a half ago | (#42806653)

The problem here isnt the old card, its the shared memory design of that card.

All graphic cards with shared memory suck and gave problems. they are cheaper, but they are a mess. ATI ones never got any love, even from their engineering, so that shared memory graphic cards are just plain hacks to reduce cost.

ATI shared memory cards always gave several problems in all OS, had a bad performance and had unresolved bugs. No ones want to try to solve the problems of a obsolete and troublesome card. So instead of running buggy accelerated drivers (that can crash your machine), its better to use vesa, unaccelerated but stable drivers. the performance difference between the two isn't that great either.

If you want to use accelerated drivers on share memory graphic cards, try to fix it your self, or finding someone who might want to work on it.

Re:Hey AMD Nice Job (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42806197)

Too bad it still has problems with flash. Fucking flash, I thought you were suppose to die when the iPad dropped your sorry insecure ass... fuck youtube for still using it too :P

Nvidia's still better (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42800679)

first

Well done AMD (5, Insightful)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800683)

This is excellent from AMD to release source in a very timely manner. It shows commercial companies can support Free Software losing the ability to compete (which AMD will have factored in).

They are supporting us so I suggest we support them - vote with your wallets gentlemen! We win because we get drivers that will be supported for a long time, we also win because AMD GPUs generally have the best price-per-perfomance value (even if not always at the insanely expensive peak of absolute performance), and AMD will also win because it gets sales from customers that recognize the mutal win.

Hopefully NVidia will also see this move and get the hint. That would be a further win.

Re:Well done AMD (4, Insightful)

chill (34294) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800767)

Not gonna happen until the FOSS driver built from sources like these shows itself to be competitive in performance with nVidia's closed Linux drivers on comparable hardware.

Re:Well done AMD (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42803935)

Not gonna happen until the FOSS driver built from sources like these shows itself to be competitive in performance with nVidia's closed Linux drivers on comparable hardware.

Please explain how NVIDIA open sourcing it's closed Linux driver would cause it to run worse? Considering that when the driver is compiled by NVIDIA for a generic architecture versus the same sources compiled by the end users, but able to take advantage of architecture specific optimizations would actually make the open source driver faster.

At the end of the day we need all the sources for all our hardware drivers so that when the next version of an operating system comes out we can re-compile the driver for the new OS. This is true on Windows, Linux, Mac, OS/2 Wap, whatever. I don't buy drivers, I buy hardware. As someone who can and sometimes does read and write programs in their native machine code forms, the damn driver software is already "open" to me. It would just make it easier for me to make modifications if I had the original sources. Not having the sources does nothing but make me less likely to purchase the hardware.

Re:Well done AMD (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42804661)

NVidia is the worst company regarding linux support. "fuck you NVidia!" is what torvalds said. There is no support for my NVidia graphic card in the 3.8 Kernel. I can just repeat "FUCK YOU NVidia!" you are the worst!

Re:Well done AMD (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42806417)

Not gonna happen until the Linux gaming community support Radeon by buying cards from them, demonstrating that there is a profitable market in writing better open source drivers for their products.

Free market economics. Vote with your wallet.

Re:Well done AMD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42800957)

Timely matter? If they're taking their cues from Nvidia, sure, but compared to the rest of the world, they're late, not much, just a decade or so ...

Re:Well done AMD (5, Insightful)

cgt (1976654) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801333)

So they should have released the driver a decade before they release the hardware?

Re:Well done AMD (1)

program666 (2780745) | about a year and a half ago | (#42806731)

I might be really wrong but I believe he was really talking about drivers for the hardware that came out a decade earlier too. Maybe I'm reading too much into it huh?

AMD is the company that ignored linux for the most time, I prefer the lesser of two evils, I'll stick with nvidia for a while.

Already supporting them (4, Interesting)

future assassin (639396) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800977)

Built two htpc's in the last month one for work and one for home using A10-5800K and A8-5600K. My WD TV Live is pissing me off (Slow as molasses) so gonna build a simple htpc for my bedroom using an A4-5300K and another file server for the house with the same chip.

Re:Already supporting them (1)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801687)

Good on ya mate!

Re:Already supporting them (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42805387)

why not use a raspberry pi or 3 with xbmc and save a bunch on the power bill and noisy fans?

Re:Already supporting them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42807281)

Well, you do realize that xf86-video-ati still doesn't support hardware accelerated video playback right?

I always regret supporting AMD with my wallet.

Rebadged 7xxx (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800983)

This might not be as big of a thing as TFS is making it out to be. AMD has yet to give any details on their truly next-gen GPUs. AnandTech reports [anandtech.com] that all of the currently announced HD 8000 parts are simple rebadges for OEMs.

Re:Rebadged 7xxx (2)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about a year and a half ago | (#42803601)

No, OEM Radeon 8xxx are rebadges, retail Radeon 8xxx are new cards. It's pure madness, since it removes meaning from the model number, but that's apparently how it is, at least until now. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Islands_(GPU_family) [wikipedia.org]

TFA talks about Oland, which is the retail 8570/8670.

Re:Well done AMD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801117)

And yet their proprietary driver has more features and better performance. Sorta blows your whole point, mo?

Re:Well done AMD (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801279)

No, proprietary and closed source drivers, no thanks.

Re:Well done AMD (0)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year and a half ago | (#42802439)

vote with your wallets gentlemen!

I will - by purchasing an Nvidia video card next time I upgrade. Performance on Linux is buggy and slow with AMD/ATI, whether you're using the open source drivers or fglrx.

Re:Well done AMD (2)

Khyber (864651) | about a year and a half ago | (#42802663)

Dunno what you did to your setup, but sitting over here with Ubuntu on a shit HD4200, I don't have any performance issues. Of course, I'm not trying to game or get all the shiny shit, either.

Re:Well done AMD (2)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#42803767)

Ditto. I've got a HD 5670 and a HD 3300 tied together to power 3 monitors.
No gaming, mild 3d but fglrx handles powering that many pixels with ease and no performance issues at all. No inter-chip issues either.

Re:Well done AMD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42803197)

Oh, I have been voting with my wallet for about a decade, ever since I got burnt by some Radeon 92xx. And then I got suckered into buying a laptop with HD4xxx by AMD fanboys that were raving mad about how great both fglrx and radeon are but as I found out, they are great only if you have been lobotomised and never seen a real GPU or a decent driver. fglrx back then was worse than nVidia blob from early 2000 when I first got introduced to Linux, then AMD swiftly dropped fglrx support for my 2 year old GPU as it was clearly obsolete and outdated and then I got kicked in the kidneys because radeon didn`t work AT ALL for almost a year, yes, that's right, you get to roll with vesa on the few distros that managed to even boot as most kernels with KMS and sometimes even without KMS would just panic. Never again, gentlemen, never again.

Re:Well done AMD (1)

glittermage (650813) | about a year and a half ago | (#42804871)

My wife won't let me by another video card after I bought three HD 7850s the past 60 days. I'll have to wait until the 4th quarter of 2013 but I will definitely be going with AMD HD 8000 and using Steam on Linux.

Re:Well done AMD (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#42805043)

I've been saying this for quite awhile, if the FOSS community would put their money where their mouth is more companies would be willing to support FOSS. And this isn't just some minor offering, not only has AMD been opening the GPUs as fast as they can but they are moving to Coreboot [softpedia.com] so for the first time you'll be able to have a fully open system from the BIOS on up.

And when you consider that you can get a 6 core AMD kit for just $260 [tigerdirect.com] frankly its not a hard choice. Even though I primarily use Windows I think open hardware is important and competition is vital so I've put my money where my mouth is and have been selling nothing but AMD in my shop for the past 5 years and the customers couldn't be happier. I also put my money where my mouth is with regards to my family, we have 5 desktops and 2 laptops, ALL AMD.

So if you support open hardware then frankly the choice is clear, buy or build AMD for your next system. They have plenty of great desktop chips and if you need a laptop I have gotten several Liano quads for customers and they just love the performance, and if you'd like a really cheap HTPC just pair a Bobcat board with OpenELEC [openelec.tv] which is a really nice XBMC based Linux with the Fusion drivers baked in. Pair it with one of the Bobcat "VCR style" barebones kits and for less than $200 you can have a damned nice HTPC that sucks less than 18w under load and does full 1080P. Truly a kick ass little system and you can't beat the price.

Re:Well done AMD (1)

richlv (778496) | about a year and a half ago | (#42806573)

foss community does put their money in hardware that works with foss. what's the point in buying hardware that does not work properly ? company would just say "they are buying it anyway, no need to improve".

as for amd/ati, just look at all the problems with brighness control on their chips. it is great that they are improving, but they are still quite a pain.

Re:Well done AMD (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year and a half ago | (#42808673)

If the comments here are any indication, no the FOSS community doesn't put their money where there mouths is until after it's a moot point. Right now your choices are AMD and Intel, but nVidia is getting a lot of support here as well. nVidia has no open option of any sort and I see a lot of people kicking AMD to the curb for nVidia rather than Intel.

Also, even before I opened the page, I knew there was going to be a ton of comments by ungrateful FOSS advocates because it isn't quite what they wanted. I was really, really hoping that I'd be disproven.

Re:Well done AMD (1)

richlv (778496) | about a year and a half ago | (#42809351)

hmm. ati has talked opensource for quite some time. at first the public was excited, but cautious - i guess by now many have been burnt and are suspicious of the results.

what did you expect ? everybody being cheerful, even if it's still not working ?

Re:Well done AMD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42807337)

Stop spreading misinformation please. Using the open source driver (xf86-video-ati), an E-350 APU can't even do 720P with XBMC 12 Beta.

Kudos to AMD for this, but... (4, Interesting)

ameline (771895) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800759)

How is the stability and performance compared to their drivers on Windows for the same hardware?

Functional parity (GL version and extensions) would also be nice.

Re:Kudos to AMD for this, but... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42800905)

""The hardware hasn't been released yet,"

Re:Kudos to AMD for this, but... (0)

ameline (771895) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801523)

Pedant. :-)

How about comparing on the most recently available hardware...

My point is that, while open source drivers are a good thing, they are of limited usefulness unless they are competitive with closed source ones for performance, stability and completeness of functionality.

Re:Kudos to AMD for this, but... (3, Informative)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801061)

For the same hardware which has not been released, I dunno :)
You should head to phoronix [phoronix.com] which has comparisons between open and closed drivers.
In my experience, with an obsolete hd2400 that I run with debian wheezy and the experimental fglrx-legacy driver, gamers should opt for the closed source one, while desktop effects, simpler games etc are handled perfectly by the open source drivers. Both closed and open drivers seem not to have problems with kernel updates thanks to dkms, and are stable. Of course free software is easier to deploy-distribute-use in business.

Re:Kudos to AMD for this, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801159)

Who cares? Linux users don't have the right to cry about stability and performance. Linux is a choice and people need to know what they're in for before they dive into it. AMD's feet shouldn't be held to the fire because every-odd tweaker out there muffs up something that is part of a standard build of a large stable distribution like Ubuntu. I know we'll hear them crying about it, you already are and it's not even out yet, but that doesn't mean they have a point to make.

Re:Kudos to AMD for this, but... (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801585)

I don't cry. I just use the other guy's product.

Re:Kudos to AMD for this, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42802025)

Yeah! How dare consumers be upset when they're sold something that doesn't perform? That Ferrari I bought the other day only has a top speed of 50, but I still paid half a million for it! What right do I have to be upset?

Re:Kudos to AMD for this, but... (2)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#42803781)

Remember that Valve got various Steam games working significantly faster on Linux than Windows.

gearing up for steam on linux? (5, Interesting)

cod3r_ (2031620) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800771)

Maybe they are getting ready for an influx of gamers switching to linux?! That'd be cool

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800833)

Lines up great with Origin porting over.

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42800865)

Did you mix Origin and Steam now, or are EA also porting their system to Linux?

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#42800909)

Ya, I meant Steam: http://steamforlinux.com/ [steamforlinux.com]

Here's the latest on origin: http://steamforlinux.com/?q=en/node/47 [steamforlinux.com]

Still... Pure linux users can now take an arrow to the knee in style.

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801005)

Are Civ5 and Skyrim running well on Linux? I might make the switch if that's the case.

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (2)

Tapewolf (1639955) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801255)

Are Civ5 and Skyrim running well on Linux? I might make the switch if that's the case.

Skyrim had a few quirks at first, but it worked so well under WINE that I didn't ever bother installing it on Windows. I understand the framerate is a bit lower, though. I have no idea about Civ5.

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (1)

Tapewolf (1639955) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801291)

Oh, note that this was with an nVidia 550Ti. I can't vouch for it on an AMD card.

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801281)

Unfortunately you are out of luck. Native ports do not exist and under Wine those two games have performance issues. Maybe we'll see the next Elder Scrolls or Civilization ported to Linux from the get-go.

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801403)

Performance if iffy for both, though I've never installed either on Windows so I can't say how much of that is my mediocre hardware.

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42800861)

I'm using Steam on Linux, with Nvidia. I ditched ATI a long time ago and I haven't looked back. It will take time for me to trust AMD/ATI with a video card in my Linux system again. I have only so much money and I'm not going to risk buying an AMD video card to have problems again.

Re:gearing up for steam on linux? (1)

jakobX (132504) | about a year and a half ago | (#42807837)

What influx of gamers switching to linux?

Even if all the games i own would magically work on linux i would still prefer windows. Even something like ubuntu is far from user friendly.

whoopie (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42800799)

whoopie.

if they hadn't removed HD4000 from the drivers with the video decode I might have not bought an nvidia card when I upgraded this time around.

Qualifications? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42800819)

Every time I've bothered to dive into one of these AMD open source driver stories I find qualifications. It's 2D driver code only, or mode setting code only, no MPEG-2/4 AVC acceleration, etc. What are the qualifications this time? Is this the real McCoy, full stack accelerated OpenGL driver with video acceleration and everything?

Didn't think so.

Want good video drivers on Linux? Intel or NVidia. Want good open source video drivers? Intel.

Re:Qualifications? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801445)

In terms of today's Oland work, there was a simple commit to Mesa to "add support for Oland chips" inside the RadeonSI driver. This ended up being a fairly trivial commit for introducing the Oland GPU chip support, but again the RadeonSI driver is far from being feature-complete.

Another commit added in the new Oland PCI IDs: 0x6600, 0x6601, 0x6602, 0x6603, 0x6606, 0x6607, 0x6610, 0x6611, 0x6613, 0x6620, 0x6621, 0x6623, and 0x6631.

There was also a fairly trivial commit to the xf86-video-ati DDX for introducing Oland GPU support, which again is not really any different compared to the Southern Islands support. Likewise, a commit went into Mesa's DRM library (libdrm) too.

So all the work done was simple commit adding basic support. Nothing spectacular ...

Re:Qualifications? (1)

cozziewozzie (344246) | about a year and a half ago | (#42803327)

The 8000 series is a small step from the 7000 series (which was a completely new generation), so the RadeonSI already supports most of them.

Re:Qualifications? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42803685)

the xf86-video-ati DDX

Please don't use technical terms if you don't know what they mean.

Re:Qualifications? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42802359)

The lack of a complete opengl implementation on existing cards is painful to watch when people want to position linux as a gaming platform...

Re:Qualifications? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42803313)

Don't lie, nVidia blob for both Linux and Windows had OpenGL 4.3 which is right now the latest OpenGL version on the day it was finalized by Khronos Group and 4.3 is also a superset of OpenGL ES 3.0 so you could even attempt mobile development provided that anything actually used ES 3.0. And not as some beta which they did before that but as a final release for modern kernels and Xorg versions.
And while from open source perspective Intel is good, they are still relying on horribly fail like Mesa that keep sucking no matter how many times they improve it. Don't believe me? Try using 16 bpc pixel format textures on Mesa 9 with new enough Xorg that finally should have 16 bpc pixel formats, it didn't work for me on neither of my radeon or nvidia with nouveau boxes despite versions being new enough for everything relevant.

Re:Qualifications? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42802433)

How much money did you get from intel/nvidia to post that message? Because reality contradicts your claims.

Re:Qualifications? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42803395)

But our comrade in cowardy is right,except the bad performance with more than 3 panels (seems to affect Windows as well) and randomly freezing your box X11 maybe a few times a week or maybe once a year, except that, nVidia is solid gold and most of the time they have at least beta driver for kernels and Xorg versions still in development. Intel has weak hardware and bugs that arise from use of Mesa and the general state of fail for most components of the "proper" Linux graphics stack. Contrast that with AMD where fglrx tends to glitch almost as badly as nVidia G92 that has delaminated and, in fact, back when my laptop was new enough to deserve fglrx, WoW in Wine looked like fractal art because their OpenGL was just that bad. I think even Compiz was glitching with fglrx but I might be wrong on that one. And don'tget me started on radeon, again.

Re:Qualifications? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42802533)

So where is support for vsync in the Intel HD 4000? Just vsync! Not there... not in Open GL, not in XV.

Re:Qualifications? (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | about a year and a half ago | (#42803215)

I'm running radeonsi on a 7850 (since fglrx kept crashing.) It has 3D, is reasonably stable, there is video acceleration but it only seems to use the shaders, not the video hardware. There are a few bugs that sometimes cause artifacts and performance is so-so with some hiccups, but it's usable for real work.

Re:Qualifications? (2)

cozziewozzie (344246) | about a year and a half ago | (#42803299)

Every time I've bothered to dive into one of these AMD open source driver stories I find qualifications. It's 2D driver code only, or mode setting code only, no MPEG-2/4 AVC acceleration, etc. What are the qualifications this time? Is this the real McCoy, full stack accelerated OpenGL driver with video acceleration and everything?

The qualifications are 2D acceleration, OpenGL 3.1, profile-based power management, no video decoding.

For still unreleased hardware, mind you.

Want good video drivers on Linux? Intel or NVidia. Want good open source video drivers? Intel.

Both Intel and AMD support OpenGL 3.1. Neither supports OpenCL. Intel is more optimised, but AMD cards still run circles around them. Intel has fully automatic power management, AMD is profile-based. Intel supports VA-API (big plus).

I don't see a huge difference, really.

Re:Qualifications? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42805587)

There is no proprietary driver support for many NVidia graphic cards in the linux kernel (NVidia Quadro 1000). They just don't work! This is the reason why torvalds said, that NVidia is the worst company regarding linux support. "FUCK YOU NVIDIA" he said. I have NVidia Quadro 1000 graphics card on my w530 thinkpad labtop. It's impossible to connect a external monitor to the labtop in linux. I'm running a 3.8.0 Kernel. "FUCK YOU NVIDIA" "FUCK YOU NVIDIA" "FUCK YOU NVIDIA"

Blender and cycles (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42800851)

With all of the previous versions of the AMD drivers there were some problems with the implementation of the Cycles engine in Blender. The problem was a limited HLSL implementation that made it impossible to compile the necessary thing on the graphics-card. Because of this Cycles has disabled hardware-rendering for AMD graphics cards. Has this been addressed or will it only be possible to use nVidia cards with GPU rendering with the Cycles engine for Blender?

Is Windows done for? (0)

dtjohnson (102237) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801053)

Dell is selling itself to a private consortium consisting of Michael Dell and Microsoft. If you were Lenovo or HP or Asus, wouldn't that make you seriously think of supporting devices running open-source system software such as Linux? Wouldn't you start to consider Windows-based machines a deprecated product line?

Re:Is Windows done for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801269)

I took my mom to a tech store two days ago, she went out of her way to find the Asus tablets running Android.

We played with the Surface that they had on display but she couldn't make it do anything using Windows 8 and called it right there; "well that's useless"

The next couple of years are going to be interesting, that's for sure (particularly those who have a stake in Microsoft).

Re:Is Windows done for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801273)

there's no chance of dell selling pc's with linux now that microsoft has loaned it $2bn.

Re:Is Windows done for? (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801527)

Dell and Microsoft have always had a very very close relationship, much closer than Microsoft had with HP or any other company besides Intel, and Intel has always had a very very close relationship with Dell and Microsoft.

Those other companies are looking at non-Microsoft operating systems, but primarily due to the success that Apple has had as well as the specter of 8.

What is the best AMD device for Linux? (2)

steveha (103154) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801367)

If I wanted to buy an AMD graphics card, or an integrated "APU" with graphics onboard, which one should I pick for the best Linux experience?

If I want to be able to play Steam games without rebooting, is there any AMD card that would give me a decent experience? Someday I would like to run 100% free software drivers, but in the near term I'd be willing to run fglrx if that is the way to go.

TFA is about bleeding-edge drivers that aren't ready yet. If I buy ancient hardware it will be fully supported, but the hardware will be too slow. Somewhere in the middle there must be a sweet spot.

Re:What is the best AMD device for Linux? (1)

ak3ldama (554026) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801645)

At one point in time, even until recently the 4650(?) card had the most value/performance/usefulness under linux with the open source drivers. I am not sure if this is still the case. Something to see... [x.org] Any way I have no proof, take it with salt. I have a 4670 and it runs ok for what I have done so far on Linux. It was cheap 3 years ago, should still be cheap. I have never installed the proprietary Linux/ATI driver, nor wanted to.

Re:What is the best AMD device for Linux? (2)

thue (121682) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801681)

This page is your friend: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature [x.org]

Don't buy a 7xxx (Southern Islands) or (I assume) a 8xxx (Sea Islands) card, since they don't have open source 3D drivers for Linux; a 6xxx graphics card is the best bet (Northern Islands). For integrated graphics, I suppose the 2012 A series trinity [wikipedia.org] should work, since it is based on the well-supported Northern Islands GPU.

Re:What is the best AMD device for Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42802975)

There is open source 3d support for hd 7xxx ama southern islands. At the moment it won't work with Xserver > 1.12 Get your fact straight before commenting.

Re:What is the best AMD device for Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42806049)

He did get his fact straight: take look at the Mesa 3D features on the Feature Matrix on that x.org link. Every feature is either "TODO" or "WIP", meaning: there is no support.

Now if the matrix has old info, then maybe someone should update it? Until then there is no support, just because it says so on that page. It does not matter if some obscure mailing list somewhere has a post saying nightly build maybe works, mostly, probably.

Re:What is the best AMD device for Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42808907)

It does work, updating wiki is not what dev live for ... The mesa mailing list has success report for many GL applications.

Re:What is the best AMD device for Linux? (1)

TheCRAIGGERS (909877) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801829)

It depends on what games you're talking about.

I've been running Steam in Arch and playing games natively with the OSS video-ati driver just fine. Granted, they're usually 2D or light 3D games; we're not talking Crysis 3 here.

Re:What is the best AMD device for Linux? (1)

CalcProgrammer1 (1163305) | about a year and a half ago | (#42805383)

I've got a fileserver/TVPC I built with the A8-3870K Llano chip. It's now only like $90 (with $50 mid-range motherboard or $100 top-notch motherboard) and it seems to work very well with the latest fglrx releases. Meanwhile, I have a dual-graphics AMD A10-4600M (Trinity) laptop with discrete RadeonHD 7730M and it runs like crap in comparison. The drivers just aren't there for dual-graphics, but even the on-board chip can't hold its own compared to my Llano. I've got TF2 going at 50-60fps on the Llano with a mild overclock on both the CPU and GPU (3870K has unlocked GPU). I'd definitely go with an APU if you want a cheap system that can hold its own in Linux 3D performance. Incredibly low power as well, have 3 1.5TB's in RAID5 and a 160GB laptop HDD as my OS drive, the Llano chip, and an ASUS high-end motherboard and my UPS shows maybe 60-75 watts during normal/idle operation, it only goes up significantly for gaming and such, great for a server that is on 24/7.

Re:What is the best AMD device for Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42805603)

Don't do it. I have an HD3650 (I know, quite old, but it should be able to run older games). Even Oblivion on Wine didn't run 100% smoothly.
Oh, and the closed-source driver doesn't support my card anymore in recent kernels...

I'm going with Nvidia on my next upgrade cycle...

The must be desperate. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801437)

The know they're dangerously close to going underwater, and this is an attempt to find something to cling to so they can float. Perhaps if they hadn't dragged their feet and started acknowledging the needs of NIX users ten years ago they'd have a stronger customer base and thus, a better financial standing.

4870 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801519)

I bought a Radeon 4870 hd many moons ago based on a press release talking about open linux drivers.... Didn't turn out so well...

So where is the open Radeon HD 7000 driver? (1)

Shompol (1690084) | about a year and a half ago | (#42801675)

I had a misfortune to buy a machine with a Radeon HD 7000 series. The open-source driver is a joke, it fails to play a simple video! (one frame per second is what it does if you try)

Upon installing AMD Catalyst Proprietary Display Driver the video is normal (but the screen is dim. Turns out they have the same problem with Windows 7 driver)

So hold your optimism, if you want a real driver you will need to get a proprietary one.

Re:So where is the open Radeon HD 7000 driver? (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | about a year and a half ago | (#42803267)

The open source driver plays 1080p without hiccups on my 7850. Conversely, fglrx 13.1 kept crashing (KDE on Debian with 4 monitors, 3 of them in portrait.)

Don't buy from ATI (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42801991)

Enemy of your freedom!

AMD (1)

sturle (1165695) | about a year and a half ago | (#42802731)

AMD, if you want to rock and win: Get OpenCL support in the free (as in speech) driver. Now. With OpenCL the card can be put to good use. Without it is just another badly supported VGA card.

Wtf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42806021)

Half of all people that post here just "yay" (Ted Flanders alike) as soon as they see the term "open source", still most of the morons don't have a clue what actually been commit or what it actually means. Pathetic open source zeelots.

I almost feel the urge to shove my cracked iphone 4 up yer dumb arses.

Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42807119)

Looks like my next video card will be a Radeon.

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