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KDE 4.10 Released, the Fastest KDE Ever

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the giving-people-what-they-asked-for dept.

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sfcrazy writes "The KDE team has announced the 4.10 releases of KDE Plasma Workspaces, Applications and Development Platform. It brings many improvements, features and polishes the UI even further, which already is one of the most polished, stable and mature desktop environments. With 4.10 KDE users can experience a much more sane global-menu like implementation without interrupting their workflow. A list of improvements is available here." This release makes major steps toward further Qt Quick/QML integration (more plasmoids are written using QML, you can create animated desktops using QML, etc.). KWin's configuration applet also supports fetching extensions from KDE Look. Perhaps the best improvement is a new indexer for Nepomuk, with claims that the semantic desktop is finally usably fast (after suffering through a multi-week indexing on my laptop, I have to say Nepomuk is really cool, but having an unusable system for that long is not so I for one welcome our new indexing overlords).

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KDE 4.10 should be enough for anyone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42808995)

See subject!

This is the year of Linus on the Desktop! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809009)

Wohooooooo! :-)

Re:This is the year of Linus on the Desktop! (5, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#42809153)

I suppose Linus on the desktop is better than Linus on the laptop, he would probably break it.

Re:This is the year of Linus on the Desktop! (3, Funny)

drankr (2796221) | about a year ago | (#42809315)

Shame on you! You seem to be making fun of the fact that he is what they call a "full-figured, plus-sized, real man".

Nice! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809043)

I hear both KDE users were super excited

Juicy! (3, Funny)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about a year ago | (#42809077)

So the question: Why does Ubuntu stick to Gnome?

Re:Juicy! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809125)

The better question is why do you care? Use Kubuntu, or one of the many other distributions that default to KDE

Re:Juicy! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809189)

Yeah, I know. I wish they would upgrade to something like Unity.

Ubuntu switching to KDE (5, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | about a year ago | (#42809231)

This is actually a legit question. Mark Shuttleworth has repeatedly praised Qt. He has forked away from Gnome. The new Ubuntu phone interface is apparently written in Qt, and he is encouraging developers to write Qt/QML apps for his new phone platform.

I bet Ubuntu could recreate their Unity interface in Plasma/Qt easily enough. But the really interesting aspect of that is that they could create one device that could easily change UIs/shells based upon how it was used. A tablet could default a touch interface, but switch to a more traditional interface with paired with a keyboard. A phone interface could change to a desktop interface in a dock.

Re:Ubuntu switching to KDE (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809635)

As I understand it the original Unity was on Qt. But now they are rewriting it to run on top of an extremely thin OpenGL wrapper instead. I know it sounds idiotic to reinvent a LGPL licensed wheel but this did seem to be their direction 6 months ago when I investigated helping out the UbuntuTV project (which is built on Unity of course).

Ubuntu should switch to KDE. But they laid off their last paid Kubuntu maintainer some time ago. They are focused, which is good; but they are focused on the wrong suite of technologies, which is not so good.

Re:Ubuntu switching to KDE (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810005)

Thank goodness Canonical jettisoned Kubuntu. The project has been faster and leaner and more productive ever since. During the age of Canonical's "guidance" the monthly updates released by KDE were released weeks later in Kubuntu. Now, KDE updates are released in Kubuntu's updates and backports PPA almost the same day or within a couple days maximum.
 
Now that Kubuntu is sponsored by Blue Systems [blue-systems.com] rather than Canonical, the project has improved noticeably. An example of my first point is that 4.10 was released by KDE today (Feb. 6th), and it is already available in Kubuntu the same day [kubuntu.org].

Re:Ubuntu switching to KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809701)

They just killed their Qt version of Unity in 12.10.

Re:Ubuntu switching to KDE (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809803)

I bet Ubuntu could recreate their Unity interface in Plasma/Qt easily enough.

They already did (at least the port to Qt part), it was their version of Unity for low-end devices and graphics cards that do not support 3D acceleration on GNU/Linux, and it was called Unity2D [launchpad.net].

Unfortunately they ditched it [omgubuntu.co.uk] and are going to use LLVMpipe to make the full Unity work with the low-end/non-3D-supporting devices instead. It's easier to support a single codebase, I suppose. However, this does show that you're correct: Unity can (and has) been re-created using Qt.

Re:Ubuntu switching to KDE (1)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | about a year ago | (#42811149)

You could make Unity as a Plasma containment. It would take about 5000 loc (all of a week's work for a dev). But then, I guess all the gnomistas in Ubuntu would cry foul.

So for the peace of their community, they went the stupid route.

Re:Ubuntu switching to KDE (3, Informative)

Knuckles (8964) | about a year ago | (#42809847)

AFAICT it was a licensing issue for the longest time. Previously, the licensing options for Qt forced developers to either use GPL for their code, or to buy a commercial license from Trolltech if they wanted their code proprietary. It wasn't a bad deal for free software, but not a good proposition for luring developers to the platform. Of course, today the available licenses [digia.com] from Digia also include LGPL, but that came pretty late.

Re:Ubuntu switching to KDE (1)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#42810495)

Previously, the licensing options for Qt forced developers to either use GPL for their code, or to buy a commercial license from Trolltech if they wanted their code proprietary. It wasn't a bad deal for free software, but not a good proposition for luring developers to the platform.

Charging developers seems to work rather well for Apple, despite their $99/year iOS Developer Program fee. Unless you have a cult following like the late Jobs developers follow the users so if you could polish up the OSS desktop enough that users would come the developers would follow. That is to say they follow the money and users that don't insist on running pure OSS or are tech wizards in their own right who'd rather fix it themselves than give Ubuntu business. I'd love to see the alternate timeline where KDE 3.5 got the Ubuntu development money instead of GNOME fighting Vista because for a time they seem to have real momentum but their product just fell short.

Re:Ubuntu switching to KDE (1)

Knuckles (8964) | about a year ago | (#42810727)

$99/year is one thing, but IIRC the Trolltech license was 1300 to 2000 Euros (depending on some details) per developer, plus IIRC some annual fee on top. Apart from that, I would like to see the alternative timeline where the KDE folks didn't mess up their licensing for a promising 1.0 version.

Re:Ubuntu switching to KDE (1)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | about a year ago | (#42811217)

If you could not recoup 2000 E from gained productivity per developer over a year, the toolkit would have been no good, and you have no business in commercial applications. So it made a lot of sense.

I suspect even without the licensing thing, there would always have been a problem with a core of people wanting C and not C++, and a strong NIH syndrome at RedHat... Had it been only a licensing thing, there was this project to recode Qt called harmony which was pretty far along.

Gnome is going to Sandbox their Apps (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809091)

Now that Gnome came up with Java Script AND now eveb with Sandboxing their Apps like Apple does with iOS

http://m.h-online.com/open/news/item/GNOME-developers-plan-Linux-apps-1798691.html

Kde as well as Xfce start becoming a serious option for me.

Re:Gnome is going to Sandbox their Apps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809239)

QML = JavaScript too

But as a KDE user and dev, I think it will be a good thing to have to UI in a scripting language. It will enable a lot of awesomeness from more peoples. The C++ is awesome for backend speed, but the overhead of a JIT fronted is not that bad for the advantages.

Re: Gnome is going to Sandbox their Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809707)

Right! But going to sandbox applications like Apple is plain braindeath.

Re: Gnome is going to Sandbox their Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809337)

Another poor decision. But GNOME lost all their momentum. It's getting irrelevant.

Re: Gnome is going to Sandbox their Apps (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809563)

Another poor decision. But GNOME lost all their momentum. It's getting irrelevant.

As long as Red Hat controls Gnome it is not going anywhere.

Re: Gnome is going to Sandbox their Apps (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809377)

Gnome divided and scared their entire users away.

Re: Gnome is going to Sandbox their Apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809557)

As soon as debian weezey will be getting released, i gonna switch to xfce.

Re: Gnome is going to Sandbox their Apps (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809425)

Look at all those forks around GNOME 3.

Mate desktop
Cinnamon desktop
Solos desktop

That's by far the biggest mess that could have happened. They won't recover from this anymore.

I wonder whether they're going to lose even more developers in the next time.

Nepomuk sucks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809117)

Nepomuk usually crashes before the desktop is loaded. If it doesn't then it slows down everything. I'd rather figure out how to uninstall it.

Nepomukrewr (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809119)

Just to clarify for people, the new Nepomuk indexer was COMPLETLY and UTTERLY rewritten from scratch and shares ZERO of the old code. IT uses 2 pass indexing just like OS X-- pass 1 is just file name and location so that basic search works. Pass 2 is when it starts figuring out music tags or director tags for movies , things like that.

One of the reasons the old indexer was so slow would be because you could search by content WITHIN the files, unfortunately it would scan every file, even those without any useful content for indexing like movies or music. This does mean some reduced functionality but it also means a lot more stable and quick system.

Also STRIGI has been completly thrown out so thats not an issue anymore.

Re:Nepomukrewr (4, Insightful)

flyingfsck (986395) | about a year ago | (#42809317)

OK, so you are saying that I don't have to turn the bladdy nepomuk thing off anymore as the first step after an install, since it may actually work now?

Re:Nepomukrewr (5, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#42810591)

I weep for the mountains of coal that have been burned for the millions of nepomuk indexers that nobody ever used or knew to turn off.

Re:Nepomukrewr (3, Insightful)

pesho (843750) | about a year ago | (#42809385)

Well this is some seriously good news. The bloody thing was not only completely useless but was sucking the life out of my desktop. It should have never been enabled by default.

Re:Nepomukrewr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809451)

My only concern is that it can be turned off. Is it still possible to disable it?

Re:Nepomukrewr (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809959)

I'm the AC Parent. I'm gonna reply to the other AC, Flyingfsck and Pesho all in one go...

Yes it should work now.

It had some use but it was too buggy and unstable to be truly useful.

Yes you can still turn it off.

Here's ONE of the blogposts explaining the changes, links to the posts about OTHER changes in Nepomuk/Strigi for 4.10 are included in the post.

http://vhanda.in/blog/2013/01/what-new-with-nepomuk-4-10/

--Ericg--

Re:Nepomukrewr (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42811111)

I had stopped using KDE a while before KDE4 became available in Debian, but I was still using a few KDE applications (a calendar program and I forgot what the other thing was). As soon as KDE4 was the current KDE version in Debian starting any of them started two services, Nepomuk was one of them. Indexing my rather large home directory on a very modest system slowed it down to a crawl. Without using KDE there was no obvious interface available to turn it off. Result: I developed an instant allergy to KDE and banned all KDE applications from my system. I absolutely hate software that takes the initiative away from me and spontaneously does things I haven't asked for.

I don't know if this was KDE's fault or Debian's, they may have defined dependencies that weren't strictly necessary. If it's part of KDE's design, please be more careful with integrating everything with everything, make it as loose as possible. If choosing to use something useful sucks me into having to use something that gets in my way it feels like someone else is running my system for me. Disliking that is very much the reason I use Linux in the first place.

This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (2, Interesting)

jaymz2k4 (790806) | about a year ago | (#42809141)

I was a big time fan of KDE2/3. The 4.0 release was far too rushed and eventually made me switch entirely to Fluxbox, which these days I've replaced with XCFE. I can't imagine switching back now but the change list and features in this 4.10 series make KDE a much more viable alternative to other WMs now. I feel a bit sorry for the KDE developers - I got the impression there was a sea-change in the project with the 4.x branch that they've had to slog uphill to overcome.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809281)

There was a sea change. KDE has gone just as mad as GNOME when it comes to adding ridiculous features. The only difference is that, in traditional KDE style, Plasma can be completely configured. And also in traditional KDE style, the one thing you can't configure it to do is look nice.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (4, Informative)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#42809839)

" And also in traditional KDE style, the one thing you can't configure it to do is look nice."

Bullshit. I have one of the nicest looking WM setups I have ever seen, and people who are used to Windows always do a double-take and ask me what software I am using to get such an awesome look. I don't even have this latest release and my 4 year old laptop is already blazing fast with KDE. Anyone who complains about performance or a look they don't like is either trolling or ignorant and/or incompetent.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (2)

cwebster (100824) | about a year ago | (#42810129)

Back that up with a screenshot?

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (-1, Troll)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#42810285)

A screenshot? As in a shot of just one screen? My you truly, are quaint. The fact that you think that you can capture the look/presentation quality of a WM setup in a screenshot (i.e. that it is static rather than dynamic) tells me everything I need to know about your ability to judge said screenshot.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810643)

then make a video and get down your high horse. you don't need to code to contribute back to the community.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (0)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#42811043)

... but since I do code, and do give back to the community without duplicating effort for no good reason, I'll defer you to this wonderful resource [youtube.com] of which you clearly have never heard.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810769)

Drop the idiotic nonsense rambling ! Give us a screenshot or shut up !

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#42810851)

... and how, pray tell, would a screenshot prove that it is or isn't the nicest setup that I have ever seen?

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42811067)

Give us something to look at you fucking dummy. We're interested.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#42811265)

Well then, you have found the optimal approach for getting what you want. Go search youtube, or better yet, go back to digg.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810227)

Or you know, maybe it's just the defaults are crap?

People haven't got the time to dedicate into testing every single DE extensivly using all the configuration switches. You install a DE and the experience you get is an overly shiney bloated mess the first thing the typical person will do is uninstall the thing and thats a resonably valid way to react in my opinion. That doesn't mean it doesn't have value but I wish those many youtube videos showed this fast usable DE instead of all the gloss to at least make me think it's effort well spent.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (1)

ericcc65 (2663835) | about a year ago | (#42811017)

Bullshit. I have one of the nicest looking WM setups I have ever seen, and people who are used to Windows always do a double-take and ask me what software I am using to get such an awesome look.

Until you run Firefox or Synaptic that is...(ducking for cover)

Blazing fast (1)

julian67 (1022593) | about a year ago | (#42811065)

You seem to be confusing high temperatures, noisy fans and the aroma of burning components with the perception of speed. I blame this perceptual dissonance on unquestioning and/or subconscious acquiescence to the slashdot cult of the car analogy, possibly compounded by too many hours watching nascar. Another win for nepomuk and the semantic desktop.

In Koviet Krussia the Kovernment Kindexes Kyou.

K kthx kbye.

Re:Blazing fast (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#42811247)

... or you could google disable nepomuk and click on the first link, and then you know ... disable strigi. Of course, on my 4 year old laptop I have no need to do that, so my guess is that you haven't tried a recent version of KDE.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809407)

No offence... but isn't it time we stop complaining about 4.0 every time there is a KDE story?

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809665)

Yes.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809813)

No offence... but isn't it time we stop complaining about 4.0 every time there is a KDE story?

I totally agree. I switched to KDE just last year, so for me the experience was awesome from the beginning. Continually hearing about old bugs from 2008 that were fixed long ago is like listening to people who are still bitter about Windows ME. Give it a rest already.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810289)

Get with the program! It's not enough until 4.0 has been out for 10 years and we're starting to prefer complaining about 5.0.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810847)

I think it's fair game until the KDE 4.x series reaches feature parity with the KDE 3.x series. Then we'll let it drop.

Re:This feels like what 4.0 was meant to be (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810525)

4.0 was meant to be a rough implementation not aimed at or recommended for end users, but with a stable API so that KDE developers could start developing and porting apps for KDE 4 and not have to worry about rewriting them again later, so that there would be a large ecosystem of software ready for when KDE4 would be at a point where it was good enough to recommend over KDE 3.5, which was expected to be at roughly 4.3 or 4.4.

Is that what this feels like to you?

well (3, Interesting)

drankr (2796221) | about a year ago | (#42809257)

I just upgraded and luckily my heavily customized setup from 4.9 is intact. KDE's been snappy on this notebook anyway and completely problem-free for months (well only Firefox in conjunction with Google Docs freezes like once a day... but that's an FF bug) frankly I wouldn't use it if it was slow, so I don't see any particular change in speed.. and I was running the indexers and whatnot before. The only thing that was using a lot of resources (imo) was Amarok, but then I removed all services, plugins and stuff I don't use, and now it never goes over 70 MB after playing music all day.
I've been using KDE for less than a year but all in all I like this desktop.

Fastest Ever? (1)

Bigby (659157) | about a year ago | (#42809269)

Is KDE 4.10 really faster than KDE1 and KDE2 on the same system?

Re:Fastest Ever? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809363)

Is KDE 4.10 really faster than KDE1 and KDE2 on the same system?

Yes. It's quite unbelievably faster, in fact. You know those features in KDE1 and 2 that didn't exist until the 4.x series? Instead of waiting around fifteen years for them to work (and be developed), now they work in a few seconds on average. That's a considerable speed increase.

Re:Fastest Ever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810475)

Instead of waiting around fifteen years for them to work (and be developed), now they work in a few seconds on average. That's a considerable speed increase.

From 15 years to 2 seconds? So that's 23668199900 percent faster!

Fastest KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809285)

Still slower than a three-legged turtle crawling uphill.

Re:Fastest KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809389)

Not to mention it still looks plastic fantastic, like it just crawled out of 1997.

Re:Fastest KDE (2)

drankr (2796221) | about a year ago | (#42809537)

It does for folk who like it that way, and those unable to navigate clicky GUI configuration options with big icons and explanatory tooltips, and change it.
My KDE UI looks nothing like the default. But it's not about the UI, anyway :)

Re:Fastest KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809939)

Just because it looks completely different does not mean it looks any better. I'm going to need screenshots if you're claiming it s possible to configure KDE to look good.

Re:Fastest KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809721)

I've found KDE4 to be the slickest of all the current Linux full DEs.

Re:Fastest KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809727)

Still slower than a three-legged turtle crawling uphill.

Still slower than a three-legged turtle crawling up a fencepost.

Re:Fastest KDE (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#42809883)

"Still slower than a three-legged turtle crawling uphill."

I have no doubt that you are, given your willingness to prove it, and frankly that fact is unlikely to change no matter which WM you use.

Left KDE Because of Nepomuk and Semantic Desktop (1)

Maltheus (248271) | about a year ago | (#42809297)

Between those "features" and knotify4 hogging 97% of the CPU after a certain period of uptime (along with the inevitable system lockups), I switched to openbox and have had nothing but stability ever since. I liked KDE but it was just more hassle, than it was worth. I very much wish they'd make a slimmed down, window manager only version.

Re:Left KDE Because of Nepomuk and Semantic Deskto (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809553)

You should give Razor-qt a shot. I'm using it paired with Openbox and really like it.

Re:Left KDE Because of Nepomuk and Semantic Deskto (3, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#42809753)

Eh? You're comparing a complete desktop environment to a window manager.

Re:Left KDE Because of Nepomuk and Semantic Deskto (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810391)

no he's comparing having things shoved down his throat with not

Re:Left KDE Because of Nepomuk and Semantic Deskto (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809787)

Translation

hey guys- I've replaced my full blownout desktop environment with a lot of different services and stuff tightly integrated into it to make this shit actually useful for this window manager and oh boy, it's so much faster!

Re:Left KDE Because of Nepomuk and Semantic Deskto (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810033)

Knotify4 hugging CPU is due to not behaving well with suspend. The problem is documented and a work around is available. System Settings > Notifications > Turn off audio notifications from KDE. You'll still get text notifications but you won't hear the "Bing!" when you get one. For some reason audio notification support and suspend just dont work together.

--Ericg--

Re:Left KDE Because of Nepomuk and Semantic Deskto (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810635)

you know you could have just disabled it, right?

Meh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809519)

I'll stick with Windows 8, thanks.

Re:Meh (1)

Maow (620678) | about a year ago | (#42810079)

I'll stick with Windows 8, thanks.

Area man offered free high-performance sports car, chooses rust bucket with seats made of plywood with nails driven up through it.

Film at 11.

Re:Meh (1)

Bigby (659157) | about a year ago | (#42810749)

and pays for the rust bucket with seats made of plywood

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42811087)

(Un-)Fortunately for him, the rust bucket is street legal and the sports car is not.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810693)

Yeah. It is so right for you.

And after all these years... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809683)

...my Fedora machine crashed with the 100% CPU usage bug again. Is this bug simply impossible to fix? I love KDE, and I love Linux. But I am starting to question my sanity for using Linux as a desktop environment. Fedora 18 broke the Nvidia driver so utterly that I simply can not get it to work. I don't know what the answer is, but I need to use my computer, so I punted and reverted to noveau. Now I have the 100% CPU usage bug again, something that has been part of Linux as long as I can remember.

Let's have a year or two moratorium on churn and change for the sake of change and clean up these bugs!!! I'd do it, but I know nothing about X or graphics. By the time I got up to speed, it would be a moot point. Is the 100% CPU bug simply part of a system that has become non-deterministically complex?

Re:And after all these years... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809881)

"Is the 100% CPU bug simply part of a system that has become non-deterministically complex".

The 100% bug? Be more specific.

If you run while(1){} in Windows, Windows also has the bug... if you run an app with while(1){} in it.

100% cpu is specific to some application.
When you type 'top'.
Which application is 100%.
Stop using that application....

Re:And after all these years... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42811145)

I think he's asking why KDE has a feature that effectively does while(1){}

Re:And after all these years... (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | about a year ago | (#42810341)

Run Windows 7.

Run Linux in VirtualBox.

Never worry about getting multimedia, games, power management (say, hibernation), wireless drivers, etc. working on Linux ever again.

Bonus: you can probably just run Openbox or Windowmaker or something else light since you've got Windows to do most of the stuff you needed KDE/Gnome/XFCE for.

Re:And after all these years... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810791)

Why the bloody hell do you use a tottering bleeding edge distro then? You should be using an RHEL6 clone. There's CentOS, Scientific Linux, and PUIAS/Springdale. They are all free but are all leveraging the full weight of Redhat's enterprise stability, security, and reliability. They have all been absolutely stable since 2010 and will be until at least 2016, while at the same time tracking security updates, new hardware support, and some feature upgrades.

Re:And after all these years... (1)

antientropic (447787) | about a year ago | (#42810909)

100% CPU usage is not a bug but a symptom of a bug. There are numerous bugs and warts in numerous programs that cause 100% CPU usage. (And of course, it's not a bug if the program is doing useful computation...)

Still ugly as sin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42809819)

Not as bad as E17, but still. Why don't you neckbeards have any aesthetic sense?

ever? (1)

chris200x9 (2591231) | about a year ago | (#42810125)

Am I the only one who cringes every time the word ever is used in marketing? What I guess marketing people don't realize is ever includes past present and FUTURE!

Alrighty then... (-1, Flamebait)

ndtechnologies (814381) | about a year ago | (#42810295)

So not only is it the shittiest KDE ever, it's also the FASTEST at being shitty. Well done guys!

Re:Alrighty then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810571)

... Still better than what the other Camp is doing. The G ones!

OK button on the right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810453)

As soon as they put the OK button on the right (like in gnome and MacOS), I switch to KDE.

Re:OK button on the right (4, Informative)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | about a year ago | (#42810835)

in .kde/share/config/kdeglobal, you can change the value of

ButtonLayout=1

This will change the button order. This is one of those things that should never have a GUI option :). But this is KDE, so an option there is!

Re:OK button on the right (3, Informative)

JCholewa (34629) | about a year ago | (#42810931)

That's apparently controlled by the "Widget style". If you use the "Bespin" style, for instance, then one of the things you can configure in "Input/System" is called "Dialog buttons layout". They offer four choices: Windows, OS X, KDE, and Gnome.

So, yes, you can put the OK button on the right in KDE dialogs.

Re:OK button on the right (1)

JCholewa (34629) | about a year ago | (#42810971)

Ah, easier way:

"GTK+ Style" in the same place puts OK button on the right without configuration (and looks a heck of a lot more "normal" than Bespin does by default).

Failzors (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810777)

confirme3 that *BSD give BSD credit Too much formality

Is KDEPrint of KDEFax back yet ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42810913)

Don't get me wrong - I've been using KDE as my sole desktop since v1, because it was the only desktop at the time that easily allowed you to change the window background from painful white *easily* and consistently.

BUT - I really miss the integration with HylaFax and not having to visit http://localhost:631 to configure printers.

ugh... (2)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a year ago | (#42811349)

And that annoying ass 'Cashew' is still there after thousands of complaints. Other than that I think it looks great!.

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